Re: searching raid 6 card working with fedora 23

[thibaut noah]

I think i misunderstood what you guys said about jbod (my fault for reading
quickly), i talked about the jbod feature, not a hardware piece.
My disks are sitting in my desktop, if i buy an external storage for the
disks i might as well build a nas, which is what i do not want, i'm looking
for internal connection not external.

was crawlking lsi and highpoint cards, cards between 200 to 300+$$, not
really what i call cheaper stuff that's aimed at Winblows users ;)


2016-02-02 22:18 GMT+01:00 Rick Stevens :

> On 02/02/2016 11:51 AM, thibaut noah wrote:
>
>> @roberto : would love to but i can't. I have only 3 sata ports available
>> on my motherboard, otherwise i would be running zfs already. :/
>> I don't have any choice here, either i buy a compatible raid card or a
>> hba card (or buying an expensive nas lol)
>>
>> @gordon : The number of atx motherboard dedicated to gamers with ecc
>> compatibility is close to none.
>> Since i am no exception (no ecc support) i will not change my
>> motherboard for this, never had an issue and i had  3+ To of datas for
>> almost 5years, would be pointless to change my motherboard now anyway
>> since i'm waiting for kubylake.
>> The basic consumer just follow the trend, if constructors don't feel
>> like we need it they won't put us fancy features.
>>
>> I'll look at your links thanks. Already did look for specific chipset
>> that are good with zfs but almost every list is too old, seems that
>> every time a brand is building something that works they don't change it
>> for like 10years or something.
>>
>> Ah ! That's how you call it in english, didn't know, well that's what
>> i'm looking for, already have the mini-sas to sata cable.
>> I'm talking about passing your disks as jbod with an hba card, since you
>> will not rely on some hardware card ram and processor my logic (and some
>> tests i found online) tells me it will be faster.
>>
>> @rick : was looking for hba already but everytime i find a good card i
>> have to mail the tech support of the constructor to check if it will run
>> with my kernel, such a pain...
>>
>
> If you stick with one of the "major players" (e.g. Dell, HP, IBM,
> Adaptec, Emulex) and you're willing to pay a bit more, you'll probably
> be just fine. Example:
>
>
> http://accessories.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us=en=dhs=19=342-0910
>
> 6Gbps dual-port SAS2 HBA, about $200 US, and I can pretty much guarantee
> it'll work with your kernel. Couple that to a JBOD and some drives and
> you're good to go.
>
> If you stick with the cheaper stuff that's aimed at Winblows users,
> you'll have a much harder time. While you may not think of it this way,
> you're encroaching on "SOHO" (small home and office) territory, at least
> as far as the manufacturers are concerned, and that's sorta where you
> have to look.
>
> I'd suggest spending your money on a decent HBA, and prowl eBay for
> a JBOD (there's lots out there and on the used market, they're rather
> cheap). The JBOD itself isn't a big deal--as long as it's compatible
> with your HBA. The drives you use IN the JBOD are important.
>
> Just my $0.02. It's your data, you know how secure you need it and what
> you can spend.
>
> 2016-02-02 19:18 GMT+01:00 Rick Stevens > >:
>>
>> On 02/02/2016 10:04 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote:
>>
>> On 02/02/2016 08:43 AM, thibaut noah wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> I think I'm talking about the cases you mentioned in an earlier
>> email. A
>> lot of HBAs have a single cable connection, such as a mini-SAS
>> connection, that connects to a board (a backplane) that sits at
>> the back
>> of the drive bays, on which the power and data connections for the
>> drives are mounted.
>>
>>
>> Otherwise known as a JBOD ("just a bunch of disks"). There are tons of
>> JBODs out there. Google search for "JBOD" or "storage arrays". I even
>> see an HP enclosure for $250 US from HardDrives Direct.
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Re: F22 to F23: dnf system-upgrade failure

[Honza Šilhan]

> From: "Suvayu Ali" 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I tried to upgrade to F23 with dnf system-upgrade last night.  The
> download part went smoothly.  But it failed during the reboot stage.  On
> booting again, I noticed grub has not been updated, that's when I
> realised the upgrade had failed.  In the journal I see something like
> this:
> 
> python3[769]: Starting system upgrade. This will take a while.
> dnf[769]: Dependencies resolved.
> dnf[769]: Error: The operation would result in removing the following
> protected packages: dnf, systemd.
> systemd[1]: dnf-system-upgrade.service: Main process exited, code=exited,
> status=1/FAILURE
> systemd[1]: dnf-system-upgrade.service: Failed to load environment files: No
> such file or directory
> systemd[1]: dnf-system-upgrade.service: Failed to run 'stop-post' task: No
> such file or directory
> systemd[1]: dnf-system-upgrade.service: Unit entered failed state.
> audit[1]: SERVICE_STOP pid=1 uid=0 auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295
> subj=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0 msg='unit=dnf-system-upgrade comm="systemd"
> exe="/usr/lib/systemd" hostname=? addr=? terminal=? res=failed'
> systemd[1]: dnf-system-upgrade.service: Failed with result 'resources'.
> systemd[1]: Rebooting as result of failure.
> 
> When I tried distro-sync with --allowerasing, I encounter the exact same
> error.  I found a similar unresolved bug report (with incomplete
> information), but no other results turned up from a quick search.  Any
> thoughts?

The same happened to me too. F21->f22 upgrade went fine but when updating from
F22 to F23 I was not able to boot into system upgrade splash screen. Maybe it's
related to this [1] bug report.

Honza

[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1295213
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Re: searching raid 6 card working with fedora 23

[thibaut noah]

Upating this, seems that this card :
http://www8.hp.com/us/en/products/server-host-bus-adapters/product-detail.html?oid=6995464
is compatible (saw a user running it with fedora 22 on amazon).
Dell does not have any card with internal connectors.
Waiting for other manufacturers to answer my mails.

2016-02-03 10:15 GMT+01:00 thibaut noah :

> I think i misunderstood what you guys said about jbod (my fault for
> reading quickly), i talked about the jbod feature, not a hardware piece.
> My disks are sitting in my desktop, if i buy an external storage for the
> disks i might as well build a nas, which is what i do not want, i'm looking
> for internal connection not external.
>
> was crawlking lsi and highpoint cards, cards between 200 to 300+$$, not
> really what i call cheaper stuff that's aimed at Winblows users ;)
>
>
> 2016-02-02 22:18 GMT+01:00 Rick Stevens :
>
>> On 02/02/2016 11:51 AM, thibaut noah wrote:
>>
>>> @roberto : would love to but i can't. I have only 3 sata ports available
>>> on my motherboard, otherwise i would be running zfs already. :/
>>> I don't have any choice here, either i buy a compatible raid card or a
>>> hba card (or buying an expensive nas lol)
>>>
>>> @gordon : The number of atx motherboard dedicated to gamers with ecc
>>> compatibility is close to none.
>>> Since i am no exception (no ecc support) i will not change my
>>> motherboard for this, never had an issue and i had  3+ To of datas for
>>> almost 5years, would be pointless to change my motherboard now anyway
>>> since i'm waiting for kubylake.
>>> The basic consumer just follow the trend, if constructors don't feel
>>> like we need it they won't put us fancy features.
>>>
>>> I'll look at your links thanks. Already did look for specific chipset
>>> that are good with zfs but almost every list is too old, seems that
>>> every time a brand is building something that works they don't change it
>>> for like 10years or something.
>>>
>>> Ah ! That's how you call it in english, didn't know, well that's what
>>> i'm looking for, already have the mini-sas to sata cable.
>>> I'm talking about passing your disks as jbod with an hba card, since you
>>> will not rely on some hardware card ram and processor my logic (and some
>>> tests i found online) tells me it will be faster.
>>>
>>> @rick : was looking for hba already but everytime i find a good card i
>>> have to mail the tech support of the constructor to check if it will run
>>> with my kernel, such a pain...
>>>
>>
>> If you stick with one of the "major players" (e.g. Dell, HP, IBM,
>> Adaptec, Emulex) and you're willing to pay a bit more, you'll probably
>> be just fine. Example:
>>
>>
>> http://accessories.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us=en=dhs=19=342-0910
>>
>> 6Gbps dual-port SAS2 HBA, about $200 US, and I can pretty much guarantee
>> it'll work with your kernel. Couple that to a JBOD and some drives and
>> you're good to go.
>>
>> If you stick with the cheaper stuff that's aimed at Winblows users,
>> you'll have a much harder time. While you may not think of it this way,
>> you're encroaching on "SOHO" (small home and office) territory, at least
>> as far as the manufacturers are concerned, and that's sorta where you
>> have to look.
>>
>> I'd suggest spending your money on a decent HBA, and prowl eBay for
>> a JBOD (there's lots out there and on the used market, they're rather
>> cheap). The JBOD itself isn't a big deal--as long as it's compatible
>> with your HBA. The drives you use IN the JBOD are important.
>>
>> Just my $0.02. It's your data, you know how secure you need it and what
>> you can spend.
>>
>> 2016-02-02 19:18 GMT+01:00 Rick Stevens >> >:
>>>
>>> On 02/02/2016 10:04 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote:
>>>
>>> On 02/02/2016 08:43 AM, thibaut noah wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> I think I'm talking about the cases you mentioned in an earlier
>>> email. A
>>> lot of HBAs have a single cable connection, such as a mini-SAS
>>> connection, that connects to a board (a backplane) that sits at
>>> the back
>>> of the drive bays, on which the power and data connections for
>>> the
>>> drives are mounted.
>>>
>>>
>>> Otherwise known as a JBOD ("just a bunch of disks"). There are tons
>>> of
>>> JBODs out there. Google search for "JBOD" or "storage arrays". I even
>>> see an HP enclosure for $250 US from HardDrives Direct.
>>>
>>> --
>>> - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigital ri...@alldigital.com
>>>  -
>>> - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 226437340   Yahoo: origrps2
>>> -
>>> -
>>> -
>>> - Okay, who put a "stop payment" on my reality check?
>>> -
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> --
>>> users 

Re: Firefox 44 removes privacy feature.

[Bernardo Sulzbach]

On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Tim  wrote:
>
> It's just a shame there aren't reversed HTTP error codes that hit the
> server.  Error 101 your site is fucked.
>

It is a shame crappy sites (not to mention crappy software) like that
exist. I am happy not to be the responsible for this shit.

P.S.: 101 is already taken. You likely know this, but just for the
sake of pedantry.

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Re: Firefox 44 removes privacy feature.

[Sylvia Sánchez]

So, because some websites, purposely or not, are bad designed, the web
browser must change?
F***  logic!  At least, they could warn us.  If I don't receive this
email I would never know.


Cheers,
Sylvia

PS:  sorry for the cursing.
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Re: F22 to F23: dnf system-upgrade failure

[Ger van Dijck]

Op Wed, 03 Feb 2016 11:08:45 +0100 schreef Honza Šilhan  
:



From: "Suvayu Ali" 

Hi all,

I tried to upgrade to F23 with dnf system-upgrade last night.  The
download part went smoothly.  But it failed during the reboot stage.  On
booting again, I noticed grub has not been updated, that's when I
realised the upgrade had failed.  In the journal I see something like
this:

python3[769]: Starting system upgrade. This will take a while.
dnf[769]: Dependencies resolved.
dnf[769]: Error: The operation would result in removing the following
protected packages: dnf, systemd.
systemd[1]: dnf-system-upgrade.service: Main process exited,  
code=exited,

status=1/FAILURE
systemd[1]: dnf-system-upgrade.service: Failed to load environment  
files: No

such file or directory
systemd[1]: dnf-system-upgrade.service: Failed to run 'stop-post' task:  
No

such file or directory
systemd[1]: dnf-system-upgrade.service: Unit entered failed state.
audit[1]: SERVICE_STOP pid=1 uid=0 auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295
subj=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0 msg='unit=dnf-system-upgrade  
comm="systemd"

exe="/usr/lib/systemd" hostname=? addr=? terminal=? res=failed'
systemd[1]: dnf-system-upgrade.service: Failed with result 'resources'.
systemd[1]: Rebooting as result of failure.

When I tried distro-sync with --allowerasing, I encounter the exact same
error.  I found a similar unresolved bug report (with incomplete
information), but no other results turned up from a quick search.  Any
thoughts?


The same happened to me too. F21->f22 upgrade went fine but when  
updating from
F22 to F23 I was not able to boot into system upgrade splash screen.  
Maybe it's

related to this [1] bug report.

Honza

[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1295213


Hi ,
 I had the same experience : I think the only solution of this problem ,  
when it occurs , is a fresh install of Fedora 23 and a lot of irritation.


bye,

Ger van Dijck.


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Re: searching raid 6 card working with fedora 23

[Louis Lagendijk]

On Wed, 2016-02-03 at 13:18 +0100, thibaut noah wrote:
> Upating this, seems that this card : http://www8.hp.com/us/en/product
> s/server-host-bus-adapters/product-detail.html?oid=6995464
> is compatible (saw a user running it with fedora 22 on amazon).
> Dell does not have any card with internal connectors.
> Waiting for other manufacturers to answer my mails.
> 
> 2016-02-03 10:15 GMT+01:00 thibaut noah :
> > I think i misunderstood what you guys said about jbod (my fault for
> > reading quickly), i talked about the jbod feature, not a hardware
> > piece.
> > My disks are sitting in my desktop, if i buy an external storage
> > for the disks i might as well build a nas, which is what i do not
> > want, i'm looking for internal connection not external.
> > 
> > was crawlking lsi and highpoint cards, cards between 200 to 300+$$,
> > not really what i call cheaper stuff that's aimed at Winblows users
> > ;)
> > 
> > 
> > 2016-02-02 22:18 GMT+01:00 Rick Stevens :
> > > On 02/02/2016 11:51 AM, thibaut noah wrote:
Why not replace the motherboard for one with more connectors? That
could very well prove to be a much simpler and cheaper route.
Supermicro for example boards with 8 SATA3 ports on the chipset
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Re: Firefox 44 removes privacy feature.

[Matthew Miller]

On Tue, Feb 02, 2016 at 11:13:30PM -0700, Robin Laing wrote:
> This is a pain.  I am frustrated and my productivity has taken a nose
> dive.

I'm curious. Why not use one of the many more sophisticated cookie
manager add-ons?
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search/?q=cookie=30.0=linux

These are generally much better than the default "ask every time"
experience _anyway_.

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Re: Firefox 44 removes privacy feature.

[Bernardo Sulzbach]

On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Sylvia Sánchez  wrote:
> So, because some websites, purposely or not, are bad designed, the web
> browser must change?

Yes. Logically, yes. They are web browsers. Fully fledged humongous
programs that do everything you need to **browse** the web as it is.
Those websites are part of the web, a web browser must be good enough
to deal with all of it.

Whether or not "accept all cookies" is a convenience worth the privacy
is up to each one of us.

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Re: Firefox 44 removes privacy feature.

[Heinz Diehl]

On 03.02.2016, Sylvia Sánchez wrote: 

> And it's impossible to add a workaround instead of taking options away?

A simple counter would do..

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Re: searching raid 6 card working with fedora 23

[thibaut noah]

Finding a vt-d compatible motherboard (with real compatibility) is a pain,
also i need a lot of pci-express ports for controlers cards/gpu etc, and i
would need at least 9 sata ports.
I'm not really willing to spend money on a motherboard i will drop in
4months top (kubylake) and not sure it would be cheaper, i found the hp
card for 149euros.

2016-02-03 14:53 GMT+01:00 Louis Lagendijk :

> On Wed, 2016-02-03 at 13:18 +0100, thibaut noah wrote:
>
> Upating this, seems that this card :
> http://www8.hp.com/us/en/products/server-host-bus-adapters/product-detail.html?oid=6995464
> is compatible (saw a user running it with fedora 22 on amazon).
> Dell does not have any card with internal connectors.
> Waiting for other manufacturers to answer my mails.
>
> 2016-02-03 10:15 GMT+01:00 thibaut noah :
>
> I think i misunderstood what you guys said about jbod (my fault for
> reading quickly), i talked about the jbod feature, not a hardware piece.
> My disks are sitting in my desktop, if i buy an external storage for the
> disks i might as well build a nas, which is what i do not want, i'm looking
> for internal connection not external.
>
> was crawlking lsi and highpoint cards, cards between 200 to 300+$$, not
> really what i call cheaper stuff that's aimed at Winblows users ;)
>
>
> 2016-02-02 22:18 GMT+01:00 Rick Stevens :
>
> On 02/02/2016 11:51 AM, thibaut noah wrote:
>
> Why not replace the motherboard for one with more connectors? That could
> very well prove to be a much simpler and cheaper route. Supermicro for
> example boards with 8 SATA3 ports on the chipset
>
>
> Louis
>
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Re: Firefox 44 removes privacy feature.

[g]

On 02/03/16 04:35, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 02, 2016 at 11:13:30PM -0700, Robin Laing wrote:
>> This is a pain.  I am frustrated and my productivity has taken a nose
>> dive.
>
> I'm curious. Why not use one of the many more sophisticated cookie
> manager add-ons?
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search/?q=cookie=30.0=linux
>
> These are generally much better than the default "ask every time"
> experience _anyway_.
>
.
+1 on the sophisticated cookie managers.

best 2 that i have found allow removal of site cookies, and enable/disable
collecting of cookies.
_

mozilla add-ons related to removing cookies:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search/?q=Remove+Cookies+for+site=all=30.0=linux

add-on to remove site cookies;
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/remove-cookies-for-site/
_

add-on to enable/disable java/javascript and cookies:

quickjava 2.0.7 for firefox ver 40.x;
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/quickjava/
_

quickjava site:
http://quickjavaplugin.blogspot.com/

quickjava for firefox ver 38.x and below;
http://quickjavaplugin.blogspot.com/2014/12/bug-fixes-in-206.html

after installing, managing of cookies has been

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Re: Cannot Boot Fedora 23 live media on Lenovo C540

[Kevin Cummings]

Just reading this now (sorry).

I'm adding the following:

http://kjchome.homeip.net/Fedora-Live-Desktop-i686-20
http://kjchome.homeip.net/Fedora-Live-Desktop-x86_64-20

should be links to the images.  I got my images via BitTorrent so each
directory should contain both an ISO file and a CHECKSUM file

Let me know if you have any problems.

On 02/02/16 19:09, R Mercado wrote:
>> I have copies of both the Fedora-Live-Desktop for F20 if you need it,
>> they're each just shy of 1GB.  I can make them available at the drop
>> of
>> a hat.
> Hi Kevin,
> I now intend to use the link at work (tomorrow) to grab FC21 faster. If
> not too difficult, please do make available the FC20 installation
> media. Thanks for offering!
> Regards,
> RM
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Re: F22 to F23: dnf system-upgrade failure

[Suvayu Ali]

Hi,

On Wed, Feb 03, 2016 at 12:47:33PM +0100, Ger van Dijck wrote:
> Op Wed, 03 Feb 2016 11:08:45 +0100 schreef Honza Šilhan
> >
> >The same happened to me too. F21->f22 upgrade went fine but when
> >updating from F22 to F23 I was not able to boot into system upgrade
> >splash screen. Maybe it's related to this [1] bug report.
> >
> >[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1295213

My partition had plenty of space.  I think it fell into some kind of
dependency resolution loop because of not realising that the older
versions of dnf and systemd need not be protected.

>  I had the same experience : I think the only solution of this problem ,
> when it occurs , is a fresh install of Fedora 23 and a lot of irritation.

I managed to fix everything by removing all the old versions of the
regular packages using distro-sync --allowerasing, and then removing the
protected versions with simple dnf erase.  During the upgrade the kernel
packages failed half way through, so I had to reinstall those using with
dnf reinstall, and only kernel-core with rpm -i --force.  Everything
thing seems in place now.

Fresh install was not an option for me, I have too many things setup.
Maybe I should write a kickstart file one of these days, just in case I
need it ;).

Not sure how I can file a bug report though, I really needed the laptop,
couldn't wait to go through the whole systematic debugging process.

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Re: Firefox 44 removes privacy feature.

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 02 February 2016, Robin Laing sent:
> There was an issue with poorly written sites opening hundreds of
> cookie requests.

Sometimes I think sites do that on purpose, to attack people who
selectively choose their cookies.

I used to use the option to ask about all cookies, but caved-in to
changing the preferences to allowing cookies for just one session
(expunge on exit), thanks to crap like that (that option will probably
disappear, too).

Unfortunately, this means you get tracked, and you get more internet
crap in your mail, and targeted adverts, from that.  It's quite
disturbing to find while you're browsing some site that you consider to
be completely unrelated to something else that you logged into early,
that you've been identified by the earlier sites (you don't get asked to
sign in, to the sites you browse, later on, there's a "hello Tim"
already in that spot).

It's just a shame there aren't reversed HTTP error codes that hit the
server.  Error 101 your site is fucked.

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Re: Firefox 44 removes privacy feature.

[Sylvia Sánchez]

And it's impossible to add a workaround instead of taking options away?
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Re: Firefox 44 removes privacy feature.

[vendor]

On Wed, 3 Feb 2016, stan wrote:



If you don't go with PrivacyBadger, Ghostery is also a good way to
block third party tracking sites, though it uses a look up list rather
than real time determination.

HTH



This is a little off-topic for fedora, but since you mentioned it I have
to ask.  I use Ghostery a lot.  Is PrivacyBadger compatible with it, or
is it a one-or-the-other-but-not-both kind of thing?

billo
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Re: Firefox 44 removes privacy feature.

[Sylvia Sánchez]

What about adding one of those sophisticated cookie managers to the browser
as default?


Just an idea.
Sylvia

On Wednesday, 3 February 2016, Heinz Diehl  wrote:

> On 03.02.2016, Sylvia Sánchez wrote:
>
> > And it's impossible to add a workaround instead of taking options away?
>
> A simple counter would do..
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Re: Firefox 44 removes privacy feature.

[stan]

On Wed, 03 Feb 2016 23:25:33 +1030
Tim  wrote:

> Unfortunately, this means you get tracked, and you get more internet

A side note.  You probably already know this, but if you don't want to
be tracked, Google is not your friend.  Their product is your privacy.
They pay for it with lots of free services, so it is a decision to take
whether to accept the amount or not.  Yes, they make lots of
announcements that they obfuscate data to make personal
identification impossible.  But the more they identify about
you, the more they get paid.  Conflict of interest there.  I
try to keep off Google's radar as much as possible.
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Re: Firefox 44 removes privacy feature.

[stan]

On Wed, 03 Feb 2016 23:25:33 +1030
Tim  wrote:

> Allegedly, on or about 02 February 2016, Robin Laing sent:
> > There was an issue with poorly written sites opening hundreds of
> > cookie requests.
> 
> Sometimes I think sites do that on purpose, to attack people who
> selectively choose their cookies.
> 
> I used to use the option to ask about all cookies, but caved-in to
> changing the preferences to allowing cookies for just one session
> (expunge on exit), thanks to crap like that (that option will probably
> disappear, too).
> 
> Unfortunately, this means you get tracked, and you get more internet
> crap in your mail, and targeted adverts, from that.  It's quite
> disturbing to find while you're browsing some site that you consider
> to be completely unrelated to something else that you logged into
> early, that you've been identified by the earlier sites (you don't
> get asked to sign in, to the sites you browse, later on, there's a
> "hello Tim" already in that spot).

I doubt that you are experiencing traditional cookie tracking.  There
are two other ways of tracking that are much more effective: flash
cookies and html5 storage.  

The add-on betterprivacy removes flash cookies (LSO cookies) whenever
the browser is closed, or with other settings, including a timer.

The add-on self-destructingcookies removes cookies whenever a site is
closed (the site tab, not the browser).  

You should look at an add-on called privacy badger.  It is sort of AI,
and monitors links.  If they exhibit behavior that a tracking site
would, it blocks them.  I can no longer read the site forbes.com
because it thinks I have adblocker turned on.  I don't, but privacy
badger is blocking the ad trackers that would allow ads, so they don't
show up.

Unfortunately, I'm not aware of an add-on that blocks html5 storage.
Html5 allows websites to store their information on your computer in a
reserved area.  I presume it was justified with some kind of
persistence or convenience argument, but I think it is inviting abuse.
I remember that I went into about:config and turned off html5 storage
somehow, but I don't remember the details; I think I just searched on
html5 and there was an entry with storage that I set to false, but it
might have been setting the storage size to zero.

Never!, I repeat never!, allow the site addthis.com to access your
computer.  It uses browser fingerprinting to track your web usage.
NoScript seems to adequately prevent it, and I think privacybadger has
it blocked out of the box.

If you don't go with PrivacyBadger, Ghostery is also a good way to
block third party tracking sites, though it uses a look up list rather
than real time determination.

HTH
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Re: Firefox 44 removes privacy feature.

[Joe Zeff]

On 02/03/2016 09:54 AM, ven...@billoblog.com wrote:




This is a little off-topic for fedora, but since you mentioned it I have
to ask.  I use Ghostery a lot.  Is PrivacyBadger compatible with it, or
is it a one-or-the-other-but-not-both kind of thing?


I use both without trouble, if that helps.
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Re: searching raid 6 card working with fedora 23

[thibaut noah]

My raid drives consume 11w per disk at maximum load and i have more than
400w left on my power supply.

Thanks for the clarification

I will have the hba card so that will be ok, 5satas port is ok with an al-x
motherboard, the problem might be the number of pci ports and the vt-d
compatibility.

2016-02-03 19:20 GMT+01:00 Rick Stevens :

> On 02/03/2016 01:15 AM, thibaut noah wrote:
>
>> I think i misunderstood what you guys said about jbod (my fault for
>> reading quickly), i talked about the jbod feature, not a hardware piece.
>> My disks are sitting in my desktop, if i buy an external storage for the
>> disks i might as well build a nas, which is what i do not want, i'm
>> looking for internal connection not external.
>>
>> was crawlking lsi and highpoint cards, cards between 200 to 300+$$, not
>> really what i call cheaper stuff that's aimed at Winblows users ;)
>>
>
> Putting 6 or 8 drives inside your chassis is really not a normal
> situation. Are you sure your power supply can handle it? You also
> mentioned somewhere that you have several GPUs and such. That would
> tax your power supply even more. Remember, spinning drives eat a lot
> of power when first "spun up".
>
> I recommended a JBOD for the reason that it eliminates the need for
> a gazillion SATA or SAS connectors on your motherboard, cleans up the
> cabling and doesn't put a ridiculous load on your power supply. As to
> building a NAS, you'd need a motherboard with the same number of
> connectors, huge power supply, and all the drives to build your NAS and
> yeah, it's a right pain to build. With the JBOD, you need the HBA (one
> PCI slot), the JBOD and the drives and all of this is easily
> transferable to your new system when the new motherboard you want comes
> out. It'd be faster than a NAS as well as supporting native file
> systems with all the ACLs, permissions and goodies (NFS and CIFS don't
> support that well).
>
> Regarding the new motherboard, will it have all the SATA/SAS connectors
> you need to drive this array or are you going to be in the same boat as
> you are now?
>
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Re: Firefox 44 removes privacy feature.

[stan]

On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 11:54:33 -0600 (CST)
ven...@billoblog.com wrote:

> On Wed, 3 Feb 2016, stan wrote:
> 
> >
> > If you don't go with PrivacyBadger, Ghostery is also a good way to
> > block third party tracking sites, though it uses a look up list
> > rather than real time determination.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> 
> This is a little off-topic for fedora, but since you mentioned it I
> have to ask.  I use Ghostery a lot.  Is PrivacyBadger compatible with
> it, or is it a one-or-the-other-but-not-both kind of thing?

They'll run at the same time (I've done it).  But, I think that ghostery
will prevent privacybadger from learning, since it will block the sites
on its list, so privacybadger won't ever see them to determine their
behavior, and decide whether to block them. Sites that ghostery doesn't
block will be monitored by privacybadger, though, so it could be
considered a belt and suspenders arrangement. But, if it has never been
trained by raw exposure, privacybadger shouldn't be run without the
accompanying add-ons of its training.  e.g. if it has always been run
with ghostery present, don't put it on a system without ghostery
also present (unless you want to retrain it).
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Re: searching raid 6 card working with fedora 23

[Rick Stevens]

On 02/03/2016 01:15 AM, thibaut noah wrote:

I think i misunderstood what you guys said about jbod (my fault for
reading quickly), i talked about the jbod feature, not a hardware piece.
My disks are sitting in my desktop, if i buy an external storage for the
disks i might as well build a nas, which is what i do not want, i'm
looking for internal connection not external.

was crawlking lsi and highpoint cards, cards between 200 to 300+$$, not
really what i call cheaper stuff that's aimed at Winblows users ;)


Putting 6 or 8 drives inside your chassis is really not a normal
situation. Are you sure your power supply can handle it? You also
mentioned somewhere that you have several GPUs and such. That would
tax your power supply even more. Remember, spinning drives eat a lot
of power when first "spun up".

I recommended a JBOD for the reason that it eliminates the need for
a gazillion SATA or SAS connectors on your motherboard, cleans up the
cabling and doesn't put a ridiculous load on your power supply. As to
building a NAS, you'd need a motherboard with the same number of
connectors, huge power supply, and all the drives to build your NAS and
yeah, it's a right pain to build. With the JBOD, you need the HBA (one
PCI slot), the JBOD and the drives and all of this is easily
transferable to your new system when the new motherboard you want comes
out. It'd be faster than a NAS as well as supporting native file
systems with all the ACLs, permissions and goodies (NFS and CIFS don't
support that well).

Regarding the new motherboard, will it have all the SATA/SAS connectors
you need to drive this array or are you going to be in the same boat as
you are now?


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