date:20180405

Allegedly, on or about 5 April 2018, Sam Varshavchik sent:
> This is not Docbook XML.

I know that.  I was using an example of something in HTML (forgetting
to mention that), that's simple to read, but often gets mangled when
translating between different mark-up languages.  Convert back and
forth, and that simple bit of writing turns into a convoluted block of
unnecessary gumph.

-- 
[tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp
Linux 4.15.10-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 15 17:14:41 UTC 2018 x86_64

Boilerplate:  All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted.
There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see
the messages posted to the mailing list.

Well somebody had to eat the last biscuit.
You're just miffed that it wasn't you.
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Re: empty messages from fedora users list.

Allegedly, on or about 5 April 2018, Samuel Sieb sent:
> Yes, as I suspected, Evolution just grabs the whole message instead
> of asking the server about the different parts.  I think that means
> that Thunderbird would be able to show the message without
> downloading any large attachments, but Evolution will not show the
> message until the whole thing is downloaded.  Anyway, the Yahoo IMAP
> implementation apparently doesn't like what Thunderbird is asking for
> and chokes.

While I know that an IMAP server *can* be asked to send the message
(text portion) and separately deal with attachments (ignore or fetch),
I understood this to be a rarely implemented feature (on client or
server).  And I'd be rather surprised that it would work with a large
mail with numerous sections/attachments (such as MIME digest mail).

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Boilerplate:  All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted.
There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see
the messages posted to the mailing list.

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Re: OT:Question on NVME disk direct access?

2018-04-05 Thread Todd Chester




On 04/05/2018 01:15 PM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote:

G4L includes ntfsclone for windows paritions, and
fsarchiver for that and others, and it can backup data only, and is faster.
Also, has options to change size of partitions. Bit level restores exactly the
same size, but can be resized by other utilities afterwards.


Interesting.  I am going to have to try out G4L.  CloneZilla will
not do resizing.
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Re: OT:Question on NVME disk direct access?

2018-04-05 Thread Todd Chester




On 04/05/2018 01:15 PM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote:

I like making image files, and include the date as back of the image name.
That way, I can have multiple backups of images, and in the event of
something going wrong, can restore older versions on other disk to recover
files that might have been deleted that should not have been.


CloneZilla will do a disk to image, including a network location
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Lost touchpad vertical scrolling after upgrading this laptop from F25->F26

2018-04-05 Thread Kevin Cummings

Hi Folks,
I just recently upgraded the F25 on this laptop (Dell Inspiron 1520) to
F26.  It mostly went well, except that I seem to have lost the ability
to use the vertical scrolling part of my touchpad.  I'm running the MATE
desktop, so the first thing I did was to check the mouse configuration
in System->Preferences->Mouse.  In the touchpad tab, I see that Vertical
Edge Scrolling is indeed checked, and un-checking it and re-checking it
does not bring the functionality back.  I can use two-fingered vertical
scrolling (it also is checked), but I am not an expert, and it seems to
have the side effect of backing up if I move my second finger down into
the horizontal scroll area of the touchpad when trying to do a large
vertical scroll.

A secondary problem to this is that if I move the mouse pointer into
the right side scroll bar, then click to grab it and move the pointer
vertically, it does scroll the window, but the pointer moves faster than
the scroll bar, and to go all the way (either way) often takes multiple
attempts.

Finally, if I place the mouse below (or above) the scroll bar, it does
not scroll by just one page, very often I put the pointer closer to the
top or bottom of the scroll bar area, and it scrolls all the way to the
top or bottom.  For this one, how can I get the old behavior back?

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Re: html to man page

2018-04-05 Thread Sam Varshavchik


Tim via users writes:


I'm pretty sure I've looked at Docbook, though could have been another
thing.  But what I found when using *some* form of intermediate
language, that the conversions to other forms were not optimal.

I might write a page with headings and subheadings, properly in
sequence, and text between.

Like:

   Pancakes

  


This is not Docbook XML.




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Re: OT:Question on NVME disk direct access?

On 5 Apr 2018 at 8:36, Samuel Sieb wrote:

Subject:Re: OT:Question on NVME disk direct access?
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
From:   Samuel Sieb 
Date sent:  Thu, 5 Apr 2018 08:36:20 -0700
Send reply to:  Community support for Fedora users 

> On 04/05/2018 12:59 AM, Todd Chester wrote:
> > If you what to completely blank a disk out, don't mess around with that
> > operating system whose name I shall not mention.  (I hear it is slow,
> > buggy, and expensive.)  Stay in Linux.
> > 
> >     # dd bs=1M if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdx
> 
> If I understood the original post correctly, the person was wanting to 
> blank the free space, not erase the whole disk.  The problem was that 
> the program used was a secure eraser which filled the blank space with 
> random data which doesn't compress.

It has now been confirmed that is the case. The user has used the G4L 
included cleaning options for the free space on the partitions, and is seeing a 
compression rate of close to 90%. The Eraser programs current 
documentation online seems to show default option is a security erase rather 
than a clearing out with zeroing. Program does have an option for that, but 
not default. 

G4L creates a 0bits file that it writes nulls to, until the partition is full 
and then 
deletes file. With Fat32 partitions, it creats multiple 2G files till partition 
full, 
and then deletes them. It doesn't blank out disks or partitions. Exception is 
for swap partition of linux, where it does get blkid info of partition, then 
zeros 
out partitions, and recreates the swap partition with same blkid info.

Thanks.

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Re: OT:Question on NVME disk direct access?

On 5 Apr 2018 at 9:58, ToddAndMargo wrote:

Subject:Re: OT:Question on NVME disk direct access?
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
From:   ToddAndMargo 
Date sent:  Thu, 5 Apr 2018 09:58:34 -0700
Send reply to:  Community support for Fedora users 

> On 04/05/2018 08:36 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > On 04/05/2018 12:59 AM, Todd Chester wrote:
> >> If you what to completely blank a disk out, don't mess around with that
> >> operating system whose name I shall not mention.  (I hear it is slow,
> >> buggy, and expensive.)  Stay in Linux.
> >>
> >>     # dd bs=1M if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdx
> > 
> > If I understood the original post correctly, the person was wanting to 
> > blank the free space, not erase the whole disk.  The problem was that 
> > the program used was a secure eraser which filled the blank space with 
> > random data which doesn't compress.
> 
> CLone Zilla skips over data that is not allocated, unless
> your are LUKS encrypted.  Goes like the wind!

There are various options with programs. At the bit level imaging for a bare 
image restore, the OS of the disk are partition is not used, so it is just 
reading 
the raw data of all the sectors, so that a single pass restore gives 
everything. 
If one uses an option to access the data at the OS level, it can determine 
what is used or not. G4L includes ntfsclone for windows paritions, and 
fsarchiver for that and others, and it can backup data only, and is faster. 
Also, has options to change size of partitions. Bit level restores exactly the 
same size, but can be resized by other utilities afterwards.

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 mailto:msetze...@gmail.com
 Guam - Where America's Day Begins
 G4L Disk Imaging Project maintainer 
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/
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Re: OT:Question on NVME disk direct access?

I like making image files, and include the date as back of the image name. 
That way, I can have multiple backups of images, and in the event of 
something going wrong, can restore older versions on other disk to recover 
files that might have been deleted that should not have been.


On 5 Apr 2018 at 10:21, ToddAndMargo wrote:

From:   ToddAndMargo 
Subject:Re: OT:Question on NVME disk direct access?
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org, mi...@guam.net
Date sent:  Thu, 5 Apr 2018 10:21:26 -0700

> 
> 
> On 04/04/2018 09:43 PM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote:
> 
> > Thanks for the reply. There are lots of issues with doing cloning.
> > Usually, doing a disk clone gets arround issues where the boot loader is
> > using the blkid, since it makes the blikids for the partitions the same. 
> > Problem
> > with that thou is that you can't have to disks in the same machine with the
> > same blkids. Once cloned a disk, and then rebooted it to the OS without
> > disconnecting, and for some reason, it mounted some partitions from the 
> > first
> > disk, and others from the second?
> > 
> > Same issue with the boot loaders using the /dev/sdx option. If you clone a
> > disk on /dev/sda to /dev/sdb it works fine, but if you remove sda to test 
> > if it
> > will boot, it will not since second disk with have sdb instead of the sda. 
> > Have
> > to switch cables, or change boot order in bios.
> > 
> > Contacted the person in charge of the nvme program, and he says it should
> > work as it does with the virtualbox test I did.
> 
> Chuckle.  I have the same problem.  My two backup drives and my clone
> drive fit into a removable SATA drive sleeve.  If I forget to remove
> the clone drive after I do the clone, Fedora will boot off the clone
> drive and mix things up as you describe.  I researched as to why
> this happens and it is all do to both drives having the same UUID
> numbers on their partitions.
> 
> I am not in my office at the moment, but when I do get back, I can
> send you a bash script I wrote to warm me when this happens.  Let
> me know if you would like it.
> 
> I frequently forget to swap out the clone drive and reinsert one
> of the backup drives.  The first clue is that it takes about
> eight times longer to boot.
> 
> 
> > User was using a windows program called eraser to clear the drive, but from
> > what I have just found it seems to be a security eraser, and rights random
> > data to the unused space as contrasted to writing nulls. Think the program
> > was probable working just fine, but with completely random data the lzop
> > compression doesn't work well. About twice the speed of gzip but 10% larger
> > images. I could take a 1T disk, and compress it down to a 40G file with
> > Windows 10 and Fedora 25 on it.
> 
> If you what to completely blank a disk out, don't mess around with that
> operating system whose name I shall not mention.  (I hear it is slow,
> buggy, and expensive.)  Stay in Linux.
> 
> # dd bs=1M if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdx
> 
> /dev/zero is the fastest, but you also have /dev/one which is slower
> and /dev/random which is really slow.
> 
> 
> > My classroom setup also, had and NFTS clone image file on a separate
> > partitions, and had an grub boot option, that would reimage the 160G
> > Windows 10 partition in about 12 minutes.  About a 20G image file.
> > 
> > Have a program on the g4l disk that will zero out the unused space, so have
> > asked the user to try using that to clean disk, and then make image.
> > 
> > Hopefully, that will result in the expected compression.
> 
> Take a look at Clone Zilla, it does all that for you:
> http://clonezilla.org/
> 
> The author is extremely responsive to questions too.
> 
> I use Clone Zilla with its rescue mode (advanced setting) on
> NTFS drives with bad sectors on them ALL THE TIME.
> 
> What ?? Yes, I have to work on THAT operating system whose name I
> shall not mentions too.  My customer base is mainly small
> businesses and they can not get apps to run on anything other
> than THAT operating system.  It is what it is.
> 
> Tip: stay the hell away from Intel SSD drives.  I use to sell them.
> They are garbage.  I took around a $2000 loss so far having to replace
> them as they go bad in my customer's machines.
> 
> I switched to Samsung SSD's and they are rock solid.  Not a
> single failure yet.  They are about 20% more expensive than
> Intel's drives, but when your have to replace them for free
> and just before they brick and lose your customer's data,
> they become extremely expensive.
> 
> Samsung's NVMe drives are awesome.  (My wife named them NeVada
> Medical Examiner drives to remember the abbreviation.)
> 
> Tip: try to size your SSD drives such that they have at least 50%
> or more free space on them.  This improves your wear life.  And
> the wear leveling algorithm on the drive will adore you.
> 
> 
> > 
> > Thanks again for the info.
> 
>

Re: Messages by booting Fedora 27 on Dell Inspiron 3721.


On 04/05/2018 12:28 PM, Ger van Dijck wrote:

When booting FC27 I get the following messages :

radion ;01;0.0; failed VCE resume (-110)

ipmi;dmi; Invalid offset; 0

ACPI error[\_SB_.PC10.GFX0.DD02;_BCL]Namespace lockup.failure ; 
AE_NOT_FOUND (20170303/psargs-3640)
ACPI error;Method parse/execution failed [\_SB.PC10.PEGO.PEGP.DD02._BCL] 
(Node f7100300), AE_NOT_FOUND

(20170303/psparse-543)


Question : What does this mean and/or what is wrong ?


Most likely nothing.  If you aren't having any problems, I would suggest 
just ignoring it.  Often (usually?), the BIOS ACPI implementations are 
not quite fully to spec.  In most cases the kernel can handle it, but 
still prints a warning.

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Re: empty messages from fedora users list.

On 04/05/2018 12:12 PM, home user via users wrote:

I went the grep route. As best as I can determine, all personal e-mail addresses have been
replaced with "[e-mail address]", all passwords have been replaced with
"[password]", and my ip addresses are not in the file. I fpasted it:

I forgot that the regexp would also pick up quoted lines. :-)

As I recall, we're trying to compare Thunderbird and Evolution regarding two
problems:
* many Fedora users list digests appear to have empty bodies when displayed in
Thunderbird. This seems to occur randomly.
* messages are very slow to download in Thunderbird.
I hope this log confirms posters' suspicions as to the causes, and provides
further clues about what's happening.

Yes, as I suspected, Evolution just grabs the whole message instead of
asking the server about the different parts. I think that means that
Thunderbird would be able to show the message without downloading any
large attachments, but Evolution will not show the message until the
whole thing is downloaded. Anyway, the Yahoo IMAP implementation
apparently doesn't like what Thunderbird is asking for and chokes.

You could try to contact Yahoo about it, but I don't have a lot of hope
that they would care.

You could file a request with Thunderbird to provide an option to just
download the whole thing instead of trying to be smart about it.

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Messages by booting Fedora 27 on Dell Inspiron 3721.

2018-04-05 Thread Ger van Dijck


Hi all ,


When booting FC27 I get the following messages :

radion ;01;0.0; failed VCE resume (-110)

ipmi;dmi; Invalid offset; 0

ACPI error[\_SB_.PC10.GFX0.DD02;_BCL]Namespace lockup.failure ;  
AE_NOT_FOUND (20170303/psargs-3640)
ACPI error;Method parse/execution failed [\_SB.PC10.PEGO.PEGP.DD02._BCL]  
(Node f7100300), AE_NOT_FOUND

(20170303/psparse-543)


Question : What does this mean and/or what is wrong ?


Regards ,



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Re: Help understanding the kernel release schedule

2018-04-05 Thread Rick Stevens

On 04/05/2018 11:02 AM, Flo H wrote:
> Hi,
> I am confused about the way the kernel packages land in Fedora, specifically 
> Rawhide, and was wondering if someone could shed some light on this issue.
> 
> Looking at [1], I see that the kernel in the updates repo is 4.17.rc. How is 
> that possible? What is the source for 4.17? A build of linux-next? 
> (Looking at [2] we see that 4.16 has just been released this week.) So what 
> is 4.17.rc?

Yes, the source is called "linux-next" at the kernel.org website. Red
Hat/Fedora is calling it "4.17.rc" at the moment. The last "stable"
kernel from kernel.org is 4.16.

Anything in rawhide should be considered as beta code. Kernel 4.17.rc
(rc = "release candidate") has not been adopted for mainline distros yet
(it's not been proven reliable...yet). It is available for testing in
the beta environment that is Rawhide.

That being said, there's nothing preventing you from running it in
whatever environment you have--with the understanding that it may
not be compatible with your existing platform or explode in your face as
any beta code may.

Eventually 4.17 will cease being a release candidate, be fully baked,
reliable (or as reliable as any code) and ready for mainline use. It
may never hit the standard repos for existing distros as it may require
repackaging in some way or have some backward incompatibilities that
would block its use for, say F27 but not block adoption in F28.

My guess is that it will make it to F27, but there's always the
possibility it may not. Unlike that "OSTSNBN" (operating system that
shall not be named), it's your computer. Do what you will, but just
be ready for unexpected consequences.

> Please let me know if I am asking on the wrong mailing list. Should I rather 
> bother the packagers in the kernel list?

Uhm, I wouldn't bother the kernel developers. You could poke the gang
at t...@lists.fedoraproject.org for further info, since rawhide and such
are under their auspices and they gather up the test results, karma
ratings and such that eventually "bless" a kernel's release on Fedora
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Re: Help understanding the kernel release schedule


On 04/05/2018 11:02 AM, Flo H wrote:

Hi,
I am confused about the way the kernel packages land in Fedora, specifically 
Rawhide, and was wondering if someone could shed some light on this issue.


See https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/kernel


Looking at [1], I see that the kernel in the updates repo is 4.17.rc. How is 
that possible? What is the source for 4.17? A build of linux-next?
(Looking at [2] we see that 4.16 has just been released this week.) So what is 
4.17.rc?


As mentioned in the above page, rawhide gets regular mainline builds and 
currently the upstream kernel is a release candidate (RC) of 4.17.

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Re: empty messages from fedora users list.

2018-04-05 Thread home user via users

I went the grep route.  As best as I can determine, all personal e-mail 
addresses have been replaced with "[e-mail address]", all passwords have been 
replaced with "[password]", and my ip addresses are not in the file.  I fpasted 
it:

bash.9[~]: fpaste -t "logs from Evolution run" evlog_sanitized.txt 
Uploading (36.0KiB)...
https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/RMoST~HtWfpUPJT~GWwXnA
bash.10[~]:

As I recall, we're trying to compare Thunderbird and Evolution regarding two 
problems:
* many Fedora users list digests appear to have empty bodies when displayed in 
Thunderbird.  This seems to occur randomly.
* messages are very slow to download in Thunderbird.
I hope this log confirms posters' suspicions as to the causes, and provides 
further clues about what's happening.
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Help understanding the kernel release schedule

2018-04-05 Thread Flo H

Hi,
I am confused about the way the kernel packages land in Fedora, specifically 
Rawhide, and was wondering if someone could shed some light on this issue.

Looking at [1], I see that the kernel in the updates repo is 4.17.rc. How is 
that possible? What is the source for 4.17? A build of linux-next? 
(Looking at [2] we see that 4.16 has just been released this week.) So what is 
4.17.rc?

Please let me know if I am asking on the wrong mailing list. Should I rather 
bother the packagers in the kernel list?

Thanks!
Florian

[1]: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/kernel
[2]: https://www.kernel.org/
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Re: OT:Question on NVME disk direct access?

2018-04-05 Thread ToddAndMargo




On 04/04/2018 09:43 PM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote:


Thanks for the reply. There are lots of issues with doing cloning.
Usually, doing a disk clone gets arround issues where the boot loader is
using the blkid, since it makes the blikids for the partitions the same. Problem
with that thou is that you can't have to disks in the same machine with the
same blkids. Once cloned a disk, and then rebooted it to the OS without
disconnecting, and for some reason, it mounted some partitions from the first
disk, and others from the second?

Same issue with the boot loaders using the /dev/sdx option. If you clone a
disk on /dev/sda to /dev/sdb it works fine, but if you remove sda to test if it
will boot, it will not since second disk with have sdb instead of the sda. Have
to switch cables, or change boot order in bios.

Contacted the person in charge of the nvme program, and he says it should
work as it does with the virtualbox test I did.


Chuckle.  I have the same problem.  My two backup drives and my clone
drive fit into a removable SATA drive sleeve.  If I forget to remove
the clone drive after I do the clone, Fedora will boot off the clone
drive and mix things up as you describe.  I researched as to why
this happens and it is all do to both drives having the same UUID
numbers on their partitions.

I am not in my office at the moment, but when I do get back, I can
send you a bash script I wrote to warm me when this happens.  Let
me know if you would like it.

I frequently forget to swap out the clone drive and reinsert one
of the backup drives.  The first clue is that it takes about
eight times longer to boot.



User was using a windows program called eraser to clear the drive, but from
what I have just found it seems to be a security eraser, and rights random
data to the unused space as contrasted to writing nulls. Think the program
was probable working just fine, but with completely random data the lzop
compression doesn't work well. About twice the speed of gzip but 10% larger
images. I could take a 1T disk, and compress it down to a 40G file with
Windows 10 and Fedora 25 on it.


If you what to completely blank a disk out, don't mess around with that
operating system whose name I shall not mention.  (I hear it is slow,
buggy, and expensive.)  Stay in Linux.

   # dd bs=1M if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdx

/dev/zero is the fastest, but you also have /dev/one which is slower
and /dev/random which is really slow.



My classroom setup also, had and NFTS clone image file on a separate
partitions, and had an grub boot option, that would reimage the 160G
Windows 10 partition in about 12 minutes.  About a 20G image file.

Have a program on the g4l disk that will zero out the unused space, so have
asked the user to try using that to clean disk, and then make image.

Hopefully, that will result in the expected compression.


Take a look at Clone Zilla, it does all that for you:
http://clonezilla.org/

The author is extremely responsive to questions too.

I use Clone Zilla with its rescue mode (advanced setting) on
NTFS drives with bad sectors on them ALL THE TIME.

What ?? Yes, I have to work on THAT operating system whose name I
shall not mentions too.  My customer base is mainly small
businesses and they can not get apps to run on anything other
than THAT operating system.  It is what it is.

Tip: stay the hell away from Intel SSD drives.  I use to sell them.
They are garbage.  I took around a $2000 loss so far having to replace
them as they go bad in my customer's machines.

I switched to Samsung SSD's and they are rock solid.  Not a
single failure yet.  They are about 20% more expensive than
Intel's drives, but when your have to replace them for free
and just before they brick and lose your customer's data,
they become extremely expensive.

Samsung's NVMe drives are awesome.  (My wife named them NeVada
Medical Examiner drives to remember the abbreviation.)

Tip: try to size your SSD drives such that they have at least 50%
or more free space on them.  This improves your wear life.  And
the wear leveling algorithm on the drive will adore you.




Thanks again for the info.


You are most welcome.

-T
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Re: OT:Question on NVME disk direct access?

2018-04-05 Thread ToddAndMargo


On 04/05/2018 08:36 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 04/05/2018 12:59 AM, Todd Chester wrote:

If you what to completely blank a disk out, don't mess around with that
operating system whose name I shall not mention.  (I hear it is slow,
buggy, and expensive.)  Stay in Linux.

    # dd bs=1M if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdx


If I understood the original post correctly, the person was wanting to 
blank the free space, not erase the whole disk.  The problem was that 
the program used was a secure eraser which filled the blank space with 
random data which doesn't compress.


CLone Zilla skips over data that is not allocated, unless
your are LUKS encrypted.  Goes like the wind!
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Re: html to man page

2018-04-05 Thread JD




On 04/05/2018 08:29 AM, Tim via users wrote:

Allegedly, on or about 4 April 2018, Sam Varshavchik sent:

I find Docbook XML to be irreplacable, when it comes to writing
technical documentation that serves as a single source of both manual
pages and publishable HTML.

I'm pretty sure I've looked at Docbook, though could have been another
thing.  But what I found when using *some* form of intermediate
language, that the conversions to other forms were not optimal.

I might write a page with headings and subheadings, properly in
sequence, and text between.

Like:

Pancakes

   

Ingredients

  
Flour
Milk
etc...
  

   

   

 Method

And so on, and so forth...

Only to find out the translation has lost the context, converting plain
headings into stylised generic headings all of the same hierarchy.  Or
that straight-forward attributes (name="something") get butchered into
garbage (name="g12").

Or that your two languages have no overlap in being able to do the same
thing, albeit using different methods, and content gets butchered into
inappropriate simulations of what you were trying to do.


Thanks for the heads up!!
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Re: empty messages from fedora users list.


On 04/05/2018 08:48 AM, home user via users wrote:

I think I got it.  The log file is a mere 15 thousand lines long, and is loaded 
with private information.  How do I quickly and easily cut this down to a 
reasonable size?


Maybe try the other method with Evolution's logging?

Otherwise, try to find out where it's accessing the email that caused 
the problem.  If you use "less" to view the file, you can use the "/" 
key to search for a specific bit of text from that email.


Another option is to extract just the commands that Evolution sends.
Run "grep -A1 '^>' logfile > tempfile".  That should be easier to 
sanitize and will probably also have enough information.

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Re: empty messages from fedora users list.

2018-04-05 Thread home user via users

I think I got it.  The log file is a mere 15 thousand lines long, and is loaded 
with private information.  How do I quickly and easily cut this down to a 
reasonable size?
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Re: OT:Question on NVME disk direct access?


On 04/05/2018 12:59 AM, Todd Chester wrote:

If you what to completely blank a disk out, don't mess around with that
operating system whose name I shall not mention.  (I hear it is slow,
buggy, and expensive.)  Stay in Linux.

    # dd bs=1M if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdx


If I understood the original post correctly, the person was wanting to 
blank the free space, not erase the whole disk.  The problem was that 
the program used was a secure eraser which filled the blank space with 
random data which doesn't compress.

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Re: html to man page

Allegedly, on or about 4 April 2018, Sam Varshavchik sent:
> I find Docbook XML to be irreplacable, when it comes to writing  
> technical documentation that serves as a single source of both manual
> pages and publishable HTML.

I'm pretty sure I've looked at Docbook, though could have been another
thing.  But what I found when using *some* form of intermediate
language, that the conversions to other forms were not optimal.

I might write a page with headings and subheadings, properly in
sequence, and text between.

Like:

   Pancakes

  

   Ingredients

 
   Flour
   Milk
   etc...
 

  

  

Method

And so on, and so forth...

Only to find out the translation has lost the context, converting plain
headings into stylised generic headings all of the same hierarchy.  Or
that straight-forward attributes (name="something") get butchered into
garbage (name="g12").

Or that your two languages have no overlap in being able to do the same
thing, albeit using different methods, and content gets butchered into
inappropriate simulations of what you were trying to do.

-- 
[tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp
Linux 4.15.10-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 15 17:14:41 UTC 2018 x86_64

Boilerplate:  All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted.
There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see
the messages posted to the mailing list.

Linux cures Windows pains.
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Re: Issues trying to lock-down display resolution and overscan

2018-04-05 Thread Go Canes

On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 2:05 AM, Tim via users
 wrote:
[...]
> Are you able to rename the input socket used on the TV?  On some sets,
> if you name it "PC," it will switch off overscan.

I've looked for options to change without much luck.  The TV has "PC"
assigned to a VGA port - I will see if there is a way to move the
name.

> Your "zooming" problem is probably related.

I did not have this zooming issue with the old NUC, so I think it is
unlikely to be related.  But never say never

>> The third issue is that sometimes I lose the display more-or-less
>> completely.  I switch the receiver to the NUC, and I get a black
>> screen.  If I reboot (via a ssh session), I get nothing.  To get the
>> display back, I have to poweroff and cold boot.  The login screen is
>> fine, but after logging-in, KDE seems to be set for a lower
>> resolution (800x600?) than the TV is using (1080i), and I have go
>> into "System Settings" to correct it - which is difficult when you
>> can't really read the display very well!
>
> I've seen that kind of thing where Linux is setting resolutions
> automatically based on the monitor's capabilities.  But, at the time
> that X was figuring this information out, the monitor hadn't come out
> of standby mode, and wasn't responding to probes.
>
> Does that sound like the timing of events with your issue?

There is a delay when switching before the display comes up - 3-5
seconds maybe?  But that is every time I switch.  And in my case the
monitor isn't in standby - the delay is just the switch-over (I assume
the delay is caused by HDMI negotiations, X and/or video driver
figuring out the monitor that just got connected, etc.).

I was hoping to force the resolution in the X config and the KDE
config, so that at least it couldn't confuse itself anymore.  Maybe I
succeeded in doing so, but have been too focused on the "zoom" issue
to realize?
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Re: Update Chromium Browser.

2018-04-05 Thread Ger van Dijck

On Wed, 04 Apr 2018 18:24:13 +0200, Patrick O'Callaghan  
 wrote:



On Wed, 2018-04-04 at 18:11 +0200, Ger van Dijck wrote:

Hello Fedora Team,



I get a message : There are 3 Updates for the Chromium Browser under
Fedora 27 .

When trying I get the message  dependencies errors .

So please correct this .


If you don't give the exact error message, don't expect anyone to act
on your message. Also, this mailing list goes to Fedora users, not to
any "Fedora Team". If it's a genuine bug (impossible to tell without
more information) it should go to Bugzilla.

poc
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Hi poc ,

Did not want you to irritate .

Whem giving yum update I got the list of updates :

Chromium
Chromium-common
Chromium-libs   So three updates ; When applying I get dependencies  
errors.


The Fedorateam (?) added to the list of updates

Chromium-libs-media-freeworldNow the update process runs fine ; So  
problem solved .




Greetings ,


Ger van Dijck.
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How to remove second GDM/login screen

2018-04-05 Thread Wolfgang Pfeiffer

Hi all

Running an X session via GDM and awesome wm on one tty. And on another
tty there's another GDM login screen waiting ... 

I'd like to get rid of that second and useless GDM login screen.
Permanently. Is it doable? Or do I need to switch to another display
manager?

Thanks a lot in anticipation.
-- 
Wolfgang Pfeiffer
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Re: mail quoting issues (was Re: F27 : startx Xfce fails)

2018-04-05 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan

On Thu, 2018-04-05 at 15:20 +0930, Tim via users wrote:
> There's a bunch of mail clients that stupidly extend the quote symbols
> beyond the quoted text (Evolution included), and if you don't delete
> them (which Evolution often refuses with HTML messages), or carriage
> return even more space between quote and reply, that kind of thing
> happens.  Sometimes Evolution will join quoted text and replies, even
> when there's clearly an empty blank line between them in the editor.

Can't say I've seen that, at least not recently. I note that you aren't
using the latest version of Evolution, but that may not make a
difference.

I usually reply by selecting the relevant part of the message (as here)
before typing Ctrl-R or Ctrl-L (when applicable), but I don't think
that matters particularly. In any case, if you find a reproducible use
case please send it to the Evolution list. The devels are usually quite
good at fixing that kind of thing.

poc
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Re: OT:Question on NVME disk direct access?

My G4L program can clone to local disk or usb flash. Use a 128G USB flash 
for my home machine, and to do my mom's machine as a backup.

If hard disk were to crash, could quickly pop out the disk, and put in a new 
one, then boot from the usb flash or cd, and reimage.

At the College, I had an ftp server in my classroom that was running 1G 
network, and would make a compressed image on the server. Could even to 
a PXE boot from machines to load the g4l and do an image. Even had g4l as 
a boot option in the grub menu, just had to modify the 40_custom file, and 
put the kernel file and ramdisk.lzma in the /boot directory.

Have a script on the g4l image that can clean partitions, and it supports 
linux, 
ntfs, fat32 and even swap partitions. With fat32, it has to make multiple 2G 
files until disk is full due to the file size limit. Other ones don't have that 
issue, 
but fat32 is getting less and less common.

Use lzop as compression program, since it is about twice as fast as gzip, and 
image is only about 10% larger.

Program is on sourceforge, and is free, and has full source code if one wants 
to look at it.



On 5 Apr 2018 at 0:59, Todd Chester wrote:

Subject:Re: OT:Question on NVME disk direct access?
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
From:   Todd Chester 
Date sent:  Thu, 5 Apr 2018 00:59:39 -0700
Send reply to:  Community support for Fedora users 


> 
> 
> On 04/04/2018 09:43 PM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote:
> 
> > Thanks for the reply. There are lots of issues with doing cloning.
> > Usually, doing a disk clone gets arround issues where the boot loader is
> > using the blkid, since it makes the blikids for the partitions the same. 
> > Problem
> > with that thou is that you can't have to disks in the same machine with the
> > same blkids. Once cloned a disk, and then rebooted it to the OS without
> > disconnecting, and for some reason, it mounted some partitions from the 
> > first
> > disk, and others from the second?
> > 
> > Same issue with the boot loaders using the /dev/sdx option. If you clone a
> > disk on /dev/sda to /dev/sdb it works fine, but if you remove sda to test 
> > if it
> > will boot, it will not since second disk with have sdb instead of the sda. 
> > Have
> > to switch cables, or change boot order in bios.
> > 
> > Contacted the person in charge of the nvme program, and he says it should
> > work as it does with the virtualbox test I did.
> 
> Chuckle.  I have the same problem.  My two backup drives and my clone
> drive fit into a removable SATA drive sleeve.  If I forget to remove
> the clone drive after I do the clone, Fedora will boot off the clone
> drive and mix things up as you describe.  I researched as to why
> this happens and it is all do to both drives having the same UUID
> numbers on their partitions.
> 
> I am not in my office at the moment, but when I do get back, I can
> send you a bash script I wrote to warm me when this happens.  Let
> me know if you would like it.
> 
> I frequently forget to swap out the clone drive and reinsert one
> of the backup drives.  The first clue is that it takes about
> eight times longer to boot.
> 
> 
> > User was using a windows program called eraser to clear the drive, but from
> > what I have just found it seems to be a security eraser, and rights random
> > data to the unused space as contrasted to writing nulls. Think the program
> > was probable working just fine, but with completely random data the lzop
> > compression doesn't work well. About twice the speed of gzip but 10% larger
> > images. I could take a 1T disk, and compress it down to a 40G file with
> > Windows 10 and Fedora 25 on it.
> 
> If you what to completely blank a disk out, don't mess around with that
> operating system whose name I shall not mention.  (I hear it is slow,
> buggy, and expensive.)  Stay in Linux.
> 
> # dd bs=1M if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdx
> 
> /dev/zero is the fastest, but you also have /dev/one which is slower
> and /dev/random which is really slow.
> 
> 
> > My classroom setup also, had and NFTS clone image file on a separate
> > partitions, and had an grub boot option, that would reimage the 160G
> > Windows 10 partition in about 12 minutes.  About a 20G image file.
> > 
> > Have a program on the g4l disk that will zero out the unused space, so have
> > asked the user to try using that to clean disk, and then make image.
> > 
> > Hopefully, that will result in the expected compression.
> 
> Take a look at Clone Zilla, it does all that for you:
> http://clonezilla.org/
> 
> The author is extremely responsive to questions too.
> 
> I use Clone Zilla with its rescue mode (advanced setting) on
> NTFS drives with bad sectors on them ALL THE TIME.
> 
> What ?? Yes, I have to work on THAT operating system whose name I
> shall not mentions too.  My customer base is mainly small
> businesses and they can not get apps to

Re: html to man page

2018-04-05 Thread Andras Simon

2018-04-05 0:29 GMT+02:00, Sam Varshavchik :
> Andras Simon writes:
[...]
>> I can't resist recommending the late Erik Naggum's xml rant (one of
>> many):
>>
>> https://www.schnada.de/grapt/eriknaggum-xmlrant.html
>>
>> To whet your appetite, here's a short excerpt:
>>
>> "In many ways, the current American presidency and XML have much in
>> common.  Both have clear lineages back to very intelligent people.
>> Both demonstrate what happens when you give retards the tools of the
>> intelligent."
>
> I will agree with this, in some specific circumstances. For example: this is
>
> a perfect explanation for SOAP and WSDL.
>
> But, I find Docbook XML to be irreplacable, when it comes to writing
> technical documentation that serves as a single source of both manual pages
>
> and publishable HTML. And, it's infinitely hackable. Like I mentioned, with
>
> some hacking I can now easily embed links from my Docbook-based tutorials to
>
> Doxygen-generated C++ class documentation.


Then you should also read Erik Naggum's C++ rants.


But of course, most of us should stick to the tools we're comfortable
(or are required to work) with.
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Re: OT:Question on NVME disk direct access?

2018-04-05 Thread Todd Chester




On 04/04/2018 09:43 PM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote:


Thanks for the reply. There are lots of issues with doing cloning.
Usually, doing a disk clone gets arround issues where the boot loader is
using the blkid, since it makes the blikids for the partitions the same. Problem
with that thou is that you can't have to disks in the same machine with the
same blkids. Once cloned a disk, and then rebooted it to the OS without
disconnecting, and for some reason, it mounted some partitions from the first
disk, and others from the second?

Same issue with the boot loaders using the /dev/sdx option. If you clone a
disk on /dev/sda to /dev/sdb it works fine, but if you remove sda to test if it
will boot, it will not since second disk with have sdb instead of the sda. Have
to switch cables, or change boot order in bios.

Contacted the person in charge of the nvme program, and he says it should
work as it does with the virtualbox test I did.


Chuckle.  I have the same problem.  My two backup drives and my clone
drive fit into a removable SATA drive sleeve.  If I forget to remove
the clone drive after I do the clone, Fedora will boot off the clone
drive and mix things up as you describe.  I researched as to why
this happens and it is all do to both drives having the same UUID
numbers on their partitions.

I am not in my office at the moment, but when I do get back, I can
send you a bash script I wrote to warm me when this happens.  Let
me know if you would like it.

I frequently forget to swap out the clone drive and reinsert one
of the backup drives.  The first clue is that it takes about
eight times longer to boot.



User was using a windows program called eraser to clear the drive, but from
what I have just found it seems to be a security eraser, and rights random
data to the unused space as contrasted to writing nulls. Think the program
was probable working just fine, but with completely random data the lzop
compression doesn't work well. About twice the speed of gzip but 10% larger
images. I could take a 1T disk, and compress it down to a 40G file with
Windows 10 and Fedora 25 on it.


If you what to completely blank a disk out, don't mess around with that
operating system whose name I shall not mention.  (I hear it is slow,
buggy, and expensive.)  Stay in Linux.

   # dd bs=1M if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdx

/dev/zero is the fastest, but you also have /dev/one which is slower
and /dev/random which is really slow.



My classroom setup also, had and NFTS clone image file on a separate
partitions, and had an grub boot option, that would reimage the 160G
Windows 10 partition in about 12 minutes.  About a 20G image file.

Have a program on the g4l disk that will zero out the unused space, so have
asked the user to try using that to clean disk, and then make image.

Hopefully, that will result in the expected compression.


Take a look at Clone Zilla, it does all that for you:
http://clonezilla.org/

The author is extremely responsive to questions too.

I use Clone Zilla with its rescue mode (advanced setting) on
NTFS drives with bad sectors on them ALL THE TIME.

What ?? Yes, I have to work on THAT operating system whose name I
shall not mentions too.  My customer base is mainly small
businesses and they can not get apps to run on anything other
than THAT operating system.  It is what it is.

Tip: stay the hell away from Intel SSD drives.  I use to sell them.
They are garbage.  I took around a $2000 loss so far having to replace
them as they go bad in my customer's machines.

I switched to Samsung SSD's and they are rock solid.  Not a
single failure yet.  They are about 20% more expensive than
Intel's drives, but when your have to replace them for free
and just before they brick and lose your customer's data,
they become extremely expensive.

Samsung's NVMe drives are awesome.  (My wife named them NeVada
Medical Examiner drives to remember the abbreviation.)

Tip: try to size your SSD drives such that they have at least 50%
or more free space on them.  This improves your wear life.  And
the wear leveling algorithm on the drive will adore you.




Thanks again for the info.


You are most welcome.

-T
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Re: Issues trying to lock-down display resolution and overscan