Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat
On Sun, 2018-10-28 at 22:01 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > The reality is, Red Hat is a publicly traded company and there was > always a very good chance a big fish was going to come eat it, > because it was doing well. Anyway, the ultimate decision now is up to > Red Hat shareholders. Why would they say no though? They bought the > stock to make money, this is their big pay day. Ultimately, that's the horrible thing about capitalism. Things only exist for monetary reasons, they don't really exist to do what the product is for. And you can say it about anything. e.g. The commercial phone companies don't exist for people to be able to communicate (what their customers consider their primary purpose to be). They're there to make money and it really doesn't care how well the communications aspect of it works. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-862.14.4.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed Sep 26 15:12:11 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat
On 10/28/2018 11:30 PM, Leander Hutton wrote: On 10/28/18 10:04 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: When it finally breaks, look up Unicomp. They have excellent buckling spring keyboards. (I am typing on one right now.) Yup, know all about Unicomp. I restore Model Ms as a hobby and have one of Unicomp's black/white/gray UltraClassic USB models too. Bought quite a few parts from them to do repairs on old abused Ms. Leander I assume you're talking IBM model M keyboards. I have three of them that I use regularly--this one that I'm typing on now--and you can't beat them for quality, touch, and longevity. I would bet these are 40 years old, at least, and they're going strong. Bought them all for peanuts at the old computer flea-markets in New Jersey. But they're too loud for an office! (Two are full size, with two batches of special keys on the right, one is without the number keypad, all have the function keys at the top.) If I ever have to use Windows, ALT+ESC equals the left Windows key. --doug ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat
On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 9:04 PM, Tim via users wrote: > On Sun, 2018-10-28 at 19:04 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: >> RHEL is defunct, out-of-date garbage, so I see IBM slowly >> closing that project down as it wont support their new code >> and sticking with cloud services and such. I do not see >> them support anything that does not directly affect their >> immediate bottom line, especially with the financial hit >> IBM took acquiring Red Hat. > > If you want to go full conspiracist, then it's an obvious move. If you > want to force users into cloud computing, buy out the software that > does in-the-box computing, and take it away from the users. Actually if they were to gut Red Hat on day 2 following the acquisition in this manner, it would be fantastic. Everyone would get to walk away. The shareholders (specifically) and the market (generally) can see the value in supporting another startup of a Red Hat like thing and there'd be a bunch of people available to get back to work. Of course they know this. And since they can't obliterate Red Hat just to remove it as competition, this can't be the plan. The worse case scenario is, given the dour state IBM is in, they need to keep Red Hat independent and strong should they need to sell it off for emergency cash down the road. And if they do manage to F* up Red Hat, well that'll be pretty embarrassing won't it? And well before then, my expectation is that the board hopes Red Hat culture can eventually infiltrate and take over IBM leadership, which is the better case scenario. The reality is, Red Hat is a publicly traded company and there was always a very good chance a big fish was going to come eat it, because it was doing well. Anyway, the ultimate decision now is up to Red Hat shareholders. Why would they say no though? They bought the stock to make money, this is their big pay day. -- Chris Murphy ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat
On 10/28/18 11:04 PM, Tim via users wrote: > On Sun, 2018-10-28 at 19:04 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: >> RHEL is defunct, out-of-date garbage, so I see IBM slowly >> closing that project down as it wont support their new code >> and sticking with cloud services and such. I do not see >> them support anything that does not directly affect their >> immediate bottom line, especially with the financial hit >> IBM took acquiring Red Hat. RHEL and Debian Stable take the same path. Stable, mostly just security fixes during a release's lifeftime, etc. I usually prefer Debian in server environments but at work we have quite a few RHEL machines too, it's the popular choice for proprietary software vendors to target because it's long lived and slow moving. Debian Stable and RHEL are both very handy in situations where things absolutely positively cannot break. I imagine IBM is mostly interested in OpenShift, JBoss and CoreOS. But that's just a guess on my part. While I'm not a fan of IBM's business practices and I've heard nothing good about the corporate culture I'm not entirely doom and gloom on this. The thing is it's hard to kill GPL software, if they do ignore it, try to close off parts, etc it will most likely just get forked like Maria and LibreOffice did after Oracle bought Sun. Hopefully IBM will keep paying the RH devs that contribute to the kernel and other Linux related projects. If they shut those folks down it will have wider implications on the Linux ecosystem in general. Red Hat devs make a lot of contributions to projects outside of RHEL and Fedora. Leander -- --- Leander Hutton lean...@one-button.org www.leanderhutton.com www.one-button.org ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat
On 10/28/18 10:04 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > When it finally breaks, look up Unicomp. They have excellent buckling > spring keyboards. (I am typing on one right now.) Yup, know all about Unicomp. I restore Model Ms as a hobby and have one of Unicomp's black/white/gray UltraClassic USB models too. Bought quite a few parts from them to do repairs on old abused Ms. Leander -- --- Leander Hutton lean...@one-button.org www.leanderhutton.com www.one-button.org ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat
On Sun, 2018-10-28 at 19:04 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > RHEL is defunct, out-of-date garbage, so I see IBM slowly > closing that project down as it wont support their new code > and sticking with cloud services and such. I do not see > them support anything that does not directly affect their > immediate bottom line, especially with the financial hit > IBM took acquiring Red Hat. If you want to go full conspiracist, then it's an obvious move. If you want to force users into cloud computing, buy out the software that does in-the-box computing, and take it away from the users. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-862.14.4.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed Sep 26 15:12:11 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Message list text color -
On Sun, 2018-10-28 at 21:15 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> As I said there's only one css file I can find and it doesn't look
> like much:
>
> [bobg@Box83-F28-workstation ~]$ cat
> /home/bobg/.mozilla/seamonkey/e582sp8a.default/extensions/tonequi...@mesquilla.com/skin/filterEditorOverlay.css
>
> .ruleactiontarget[type="tonequi...@mesquilla.com#playSound"] {
> -moz-binding:
> url("chrome://tonequilla/content/bindings.xml#soundPicker");
> }
>
> toolbarbutton.focusbutton {
> -moz-user-focus: normal;
> }
Yeah, nothing we could make use of in this situation.
> Well it looks like there in resides the problem. Seamonkey 2.49.4,
> the one I dnf installed comes with two themes and the one I selected
> for the white text on black has the problem while the one with the
> black on white does not, just saw that this afternoon ...
When I've played with themes, long ago, I tended to find incomplete
ones. There'd be some icons that stood out like a saw thumb as not
being part of the set, or there'd be some unreadable content because
someone had put black backgrounds behind black text, etc.
> I was unable to find a copy of the default theme file that we might
> be able to do something with, I thought perhaps as an .xpi file but
> not even that so far those are "binary" files, look like machine
> language with a hexeditor to me.
Yeah, I'd looked to see if I could spot a default stylesheet, or
something, in the original installs. Nothing stood out, they're
probably hard coded into the install.
When I'd looked for info on the web, there was a bunch of people asking
questions with few answers. Some of the answers were that it was such
a rapidly moving target, there was no guides of all the features that
we've been looking at (controlling the colouration of the GUI). I
suspect many of the themes are done by reverse engineering someone
else's.
> It appears that this version, Seamonkey 2.49.4 is not compatible with
> any of the earlier version themes. It has some other problems that I
> am beginning to recognize.
The age-old compatibility saga, this time caused by age...
> A few minutes ago I lost control of that computer, a black screen,
> finally in desperation I tried to shut it down via an ssh connection
> from here. The screen came up full of what a[[eared to be a huge
> number of address book entries, it looked like it was just up to the
> "C's" whatever that was it looked like some sort of security breach,
> perhaps someone intending to send spam through it?
No idea. But if you've set up your mail client to remember addresses
that it receives or replies to, you can fill your address book up quite
easily when you participate with mailing lists.
Anyway, back to your issue. Try the two .css files I sent to the list
yesterday, with my prior message. Drop them into the appropriate
directory for whichever mail client you're having a go with
(Thunderbird or SeaMonkey's), then quit and restart the program to make
it read them (unfortunately that seems necessary, so it made my testing
of them tiresome).
I'd made those two .css files just trialling out affecting the message
pane, and the header box above the message pane. I haven't had a
proper go at the list of messages pane, nor the list of folders panes.
My brief, separate, tests against the folder and message list panes
struck a problem where my Thunderbird theme is using alternating
backgrounds behind the lists. My stylesheet was only affecting every
other line of text.
For Thunderbird, if it's the same as on my computers, make a chrome
directory inside your profile directory inside the .thunderbird
directory in your home directory, then copy the two .css files into
that chrome directory.
e.g. ~/.thunderbird/jhdsafhd.default/chrome/userChrome.css
(Where I've typed those "jhdsafhd" random characters, you'll have a
different set of random characters. Each installation does that, so
that there's always a unique unguessable filepath.)
For SeaMonkey, I don't have it installed. So you'd have see if there's
a .mozilla or .seamonkey directory in your home directory, and go
exploring from there.
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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat
This is much worse news for SUSE. IBM and SUSE had some strong collaboration whereas IBM Cloud ran SUSE Enterprise. With RHEL becoming "IBM's own Linux" the incentive to offer SUSE is suddenly gone. FC On Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 20:40 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I know this is strictly OT, but I suggest it's of some interest to this > list: > > > https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/28/ibm-to-acquire-red-hat-in-deal-valued-at-34-billion.html > > poc > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat
On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 22:49:46 + Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I know this is strictly OT, but I suggest it's of some interest to > this list: > > https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/28/ibm-to-acquire-red-hat-in-deal-valued-at-34-billion.html From the Reuters version of this story: "IBM said Red Hat will continue to be led by Red Hat CEO Jim Whitehurst and Red Hat’s current management team. It intends to maintain Red Hat’s headquarters, facilities, brands and practices." That doesn't sound like they are going to put the kibosh on Fedora, at least initially. And even if the deal goes through (small chance it won't with such a premium), it isn't going to close until the second half of 2019. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat
On 10/28/18 6:38 PM, Leander Hutton wrote: On 10/28/18 6:49 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I know this is strictly OT, but I suggest it's of some interest to this list: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/28/ibm-to-acquire-red-hat-in-deal-valued-at-34-billion.html Red Hat owns and funds a lot of projects. I use Ansible on a daily basis (along with Fedora). I wonder what's going to happen with those. GNOME is largely funded by RH IIRC too, I use KDE these days myself. Depending on what products of Red Hat's IBM is interested in there could be some forking here soon. Of course IBM could also let Red Hat be Red Hat and just collect the checks. Who knows right now. IBM ruined Lotus. Sears ruined Lands' End. I do not see anything positive coming from this, unless Fedora completely spins off. RHEL is defunct, out-of-date garbage, so I see IBM slowly closing that project down as it wont support their new code and sticking with cloud services and such. I do not see them support anything that does not directly affect their immediate bottom line, especially with the financial hit IBM took acquiring Red Hat. I hope they leave qemu-kvm alone and spin it off as well. I wonder if this will affect Libre Office as Red Hat does some of LO's funding too. Feels weird man. Love me some IBM buckling spring keyboards (typing this on a '86 Model M) but I don't want them in my OS. When it finally breaks, look up Unicomp. They have excellent buckling spring keyboards. (I am typing on one right now.) Leander -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~ ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat
On 10/28/18 6:49 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I know this is strictly OT, but I suggest it's of some interest to this > list: > > https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/28/ibm-to-acquire-red-hat-in-deal-valued-at-34-billion.html Red Hat owns and funds a lot of projects. I use Ansible on a daily basis (along with Fedora). I wonder what's going to happen with those. GNOME is largely funded by RH IIRC too, I use KDE these days myself. Depending on what products of Red Hat's IBM is interested in there could be some forking here soon. Of course IBM could also let Red Hat be Red Hat and just collect the checks. Who knows right now. Feels weird man. Love me some IBM buckling spring keyboards (typing this on a '86 Model M) but I don't want them in my OS. Leander -- --- Leander Hutton lean...@one-button.org www.leanderhutton.com www.one-button.org ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: nedit and utf8
On 10/29/18 8:21 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote: > How can I get the right display of the character > Σ > > with nedit? AFAIK nedit doesn't support UTF8. As a matter of fact if you start if from the command line to edit a file with that symbol. [egreshko@f29bk ~]$ nedit sym nedit: the current locale is utf8 (en_US.UTF-8) nedit: changed locale to non-utf8 (en_US) Along with that, nedit uses xorg-x11-fonts which I don't think have UFT8 support. -- Cardinal Rule of Presentations: "Tell them what you are going to tell them, tell them, then tell them what you told them." ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Message list text color -
On 10/28/18 00:39, Tim via users wrote:
Bob Goodwin:
I suspect that n one reading my inquiry knows how SeaMonkey works.
No big surprise. A user-support group is more about operating the
software than the programming of the software, and it's a rapidly
moving target.
I checked and found one .css file already there, apparently created
by the "Tonequilla" add-on I installed to get audio announcement of
messages received. I could probably add to the if necessary but I
haven' the slightest idea where to look for what is coloring the
addresses listed in the email message display headers, e.g. From, To,
Subject. They are coming up in dark blue and I can't read them
against the black background.
I tend to hate dark websites, for the same reason (dark blue on black
is difficult to see, to begin with, and my eyes blur blue terribly).
Also, glaring white text on black is painful on my eyes. I did a
medium contrast CSS page for attacking websites (make nearly everything
black on grey).
There's more information around on restyling webpage rendering than the
rest of the user interface of the software, and it's mostly about the
web browsers instead of mail clients. Some of the information is
transferable, but you need to know how.
It may be worth uploading the .css file, somewhere so we can see if we
can make use of it.
.
As I said there's only one css file I can find and it doesn't look like
much:
[bobg@Box83-F28-workstation ~]$ cat
/home/bobg/.mozilla/seamonkey/e582sp8a.default/extensions/tonequi...@mesquilla.com/skin/filterEditorOverlay.css
.ruleactiontarget[type="tonequi...@mesquilla.com#playSound"] {
-moz-binding:
url("chrome://tonequilla/content/bindings.xml#soundPicker");
}
toolbarbutton.focusbutton {
-moz-user-focus: normal;
}
I would like to try adding to .css but I have no idea as to the name
of the item I am trying to modify. I had hoped they would tell me
what they had done to color those lines but no success on that
question. I looked for a clue in about:config but without success so
far.
Might be a time to try tangentially. What have you tried doing, so far?
Have you searched for "thunderbird vision impaired," or header colours,
accessibility, etc, trying to find ready made solutions?
.
Nothing helpful there, stuff I am aware of and done anything that might
help.
Because Mozilla, Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, etc., support theming
the interface, there ought to be one that manages to change the entire
interface colour scheme to something useful (though it could be an
annoying series of tests to go through trying a lot of them). Here, we
have organisation like the Royal Society for the Blind, which sometimes
have technology support, and have found a few solutions for making the
various usual internet programs easier to deal with.
.
Well it looks like there in resides the problem. Seamonkey 2.49.4, the
one I dnf installed comes with two themes and the one I selected for the
white text on black has the problem while the one with the black on
white does not, just saw that this afternoon ...
I was unable to find a copy of the default theme file that we might be
able to do something with, I thought perhaps as an .xpi file but not
even that so far those are "binary" files, look like machine language
with a hexeditor to me.
It may be worth asking for some direct help on one of the Mozilla
forums. e.g. If you have a simple set of conditions you'd like imposed
on the display, outline them, see if someone can provide a
preconfigured file, or the appropriate keywords.
Such as saying you want the message body and message headers to be all
white on black (text, links, header names, everything), always
(overriding any other settings). Perhaps a screenshot or two (what
it's doing - dark blue on black, and fake up one of what you want).
I've looked through these links for information (below), and typed up
some stylesheets to try out.
http://kb.mozillazine.org/UserChrome.css
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Category:Visual_customizations_%28Thunderbird%29
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Bad_Eyesight_-_Thunderbird
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Links_display_color_-_Thunderbird
http://webdesigns.ms11.net/chromeditp.html
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/904670
If the list allows it through, I'll send a couple of example
stylesheets that seem to do what you're asking when I try them on
Thunderbird. I don't have SeaMonkey installed, and I don't use
Thunderbird, so it's a bit of trial and error.
.
It appears that this version, Seamonkey 2.49.4 is not compatible with
any of the earlier version themes. It has some other problems that I am
beginning to recognize.
A few minutes ago I lost control of that computer, a black screen,
finally in desperation I tried to shut it down via an ssh connection
from here. The screen came up full of what a[[eared to be a huge number
of address book entries, it looked like it was just up to the "C's"
whatever that was it
Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat
On 10/28/18 3:49 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I know this is strictly OT, but I suggest it's of some interest to this list: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/28/ibm-to-acquire-red-hat-in-deal-valued-at-34-billion.html poc Oh [expletive deleted] !!! IBM RUINED Lotus. Hopefully Fedora an spin off on their own. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat
On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 18:20:05 -0600 Joe Zeff wrote: > On 10/28/2018 04:49 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > I know this is strictly OT, but I suggest it's of some interest to > > this list: > > > > https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/28/ibm-to-acquire-red-hat-in-deal-valued-at-34-billion.html > > More discussion here: > https://linux.slashdot.org/story/18/10/28/1859245/ibm-to-buy-red-hat-the-top-linux-distributor-for-34-billion#comments well there's still Debian d ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
nedit and utf8
Hello, How can I get the right display of the character Σ with nedit? Thank. === Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | | Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | | Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12 | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France === ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: FSTRIM Service Failing at Boot Time
On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Stephen Morris wrote: > Hi, > > I've just noticed that at boot time that the FSTRIM service is > registering a failure. The failure seems to be because it is trying to trim > two windows mount points which are on the SSD, that are mounted as RO > because I can't mount them as RW due to Microsoft functionality. > > Is there any way to configure the FSTRIM service to not attempt to trim > specific partitions? I'm gonna guess it's just an unsupported file system failure - it'd fail the same on EFI FAT partitions as well. It's benign. -- Chris Murphy ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat
On 10/28/2018 04:49 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I know this is strictly OT, but I suggest it's of some interest to this list: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/28/ibm-to-acquire-red-hat-in-deal-valued-at-34-billion.html More discussion here: https://linux.slashdot.org/story/18/10/28/1859245/ibm-to-buy-red-hat-the-top-linux-distributor-for-34-billion#comments ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
OT: IBM to buy RedHat
I know this is strictly OT, but I suggest it's of some interest to this list: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/28/ibm-to-acquire-red-hat-in-deal-valued-at-34-billion.html poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: FSTRIM Service Failing at Boot Time
On 10/29/18 5:23 AM, Stephen Morris wrote: > Hi, > > I've just noticed that at boot time that the FSTRIM service is > registering a > failure. The failure seems to be because it is trying to trim two windows > mount points > which are on the SSD, that are mounted as RO because I can't mount them as RW > due to > Microsoft functionality. > > Is there any way to configure the FSTRIM service to not attempt to trim > specific > partitions? Yes. But it may be more trouble than it is worth. I assume the only thing you're seeing is a message in the logs. man fstrim and man systemd.service (for completeness) The fstrim command doesn't support an "exclude" function. Just an "--all" function. So, you'd have to copy /lib/systemd/system/fstrim.service to /etc/systemd/system (this overrides the /lib one) and then modify the file to have multiple ExecStart= lines. (Without specifying -a, of course) And list all the mount points. Since the service type is "oneshot" the ExecStart lines will be executed serially. -- Cardinal Rule of Presentations: "Tell them what you are going to tell them, tell them, then tell them what you told them." ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: I need granny games!
On 10/28/2018 02:54 PM, stan wrote: Huh. It's been a while since I looked there, time got away. The discussion was in a google group, IIRC. Anyway, the idea is that the user is presented with a tic-tac-toe grid and a circle appears in one of the eight exterior squares. At the same time, in synchrony, a voice repeats a word. When either the position or voice repeats, if it is the proper n-back (1 previons, 2 previous, etc.), the user hits the accept button for that channel. There are people who can do this perfectly for 8-back, and even higher. It's challenging. Thanx. I may try it some day when I can play a noisy game without intruding on others as I don't live alone and don't have a place for such things. With any luck, I'll have a better setup here within a month. Also, this project shares a common problem of amateur games: the coders forget that most people don't know the obscure technical terms they're using and never bother to explain what the program does or how to use it. Not many people are likely to try something like this just to find out what it does, especially if the rules aren't intuitively obvious to a complete beginner. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: I need granny games!
On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 13:54:55 -0700 stan wrote: > The age doesn't really matter, since the game is basically evolved to > its final form I thought of a way it might matter. I don't think it supports python3, so if you are on F29 or later where python3 is the default, you will have to type python2 ./brainworkshop If F28 and earlier, python2 is default, so ./brainworkshop should work. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
FSTRIM Service Failing at Boot Time
Hi, I've just noticed that at boot time that the FSTRIM service is registering a failure. The failure seems to be because it is trying to trim two windows mount points which are on the SSD, that are mounted as RO because I can't mount them as RW due to Microsoft functionality. Is there any way to configure the FSTRIM service to not attempt to trim specific partitions? regards, Steve ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Networkmanager Wait Online Failing at Boot Time
On 27/10/18 6:15 pm, Ed Greshko wrote: On 10/27/18 2:46 PM, Stephen Morris wrote: My main concern with this is not the mounts failing at boot, I can understand why they failed, but more why the networkmanager wait online process is failing. I tried a boot with the ethernet cable disconnected from the pc, but that made no difference. Could vpn definitions be impacting the process? I have a number of vpn definitions, which are not getting started as I require, but all of them have the option 'Automatically connect to this network when it is available' ticked, and both networmanager and 'kde settings->network->connections' do not let me switch it off. Oh, if you're wanting to mounts to work properly at boot time with only NetworkManager WaitOline then I, for one, am unable to offer any help. I don't have any complicated network setup and no matter what I tried the NFS mounts didn't consistently work no matter what I tried. So, that is why I went the rc.local route at first and then switched to auto-fs mounts. No problems, thankyou for your help Ed. regards, Steve ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: I need granny games!
On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 13:01:33 -0600 Joe Zeff wrote: > I've taken a look at it and downloaded it. The last time the project > was updated was 2015-7-10, the wiki has nothing but a rather generic > home page and the README file in the downloaded .zip has no > instructions on how to install or run the game, just a changelog. So > far, I'm not impressed, but I may get bored enough to install and run > it just to see what happens. Possibly if I knew more about what to > expect, I'd be less underwhelmed. Huh. It's been a while since I looked there, time got away. The discussion was in a google group, IIRC. Anyway, the idea is that the user is presented with a tic-tac-toe grid and a circle appears in one of the eight exterior squares. At the same time, in synchrony, a voice repeats a word. When either the position or voice repeats, if it is the proper n-back (1 previons, 2 previous, etc.), the user hits the accept button for that channel. There are people who can do this perfectly for 8-back, and even higher. It's challenging. IIRC, unzip the file into a directory, cd into the directory, and type ./brainworkshop to run the game. I think the default is dual 2-back, so 2 channels, and match for 2 previous. I think it is the two index fingers (F and J) that indicate matches for the two channels. The age doesn't really matter, since the game is basically evolved to its final form, mimicking the research that inspired it. It's not like excel and word, where bells and whistles are constantly added to sell a new version. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: I need granny games!
On 10/28/2018 11:40 AM, stan wrote: I don't know that it makes teenagers run for their lives, but there is a brain game called brainworkshop on sourceforge that uses dual n-back training (based on research) to enhance / sustain working memory, thus keeping executive function of the brain in top condition. There is a talk group for people who use it with lots of useful information if you are interested in brain exercise / improvement. I've taken a look at it and downloaded it. The last time the project was updated was 2015-7-10, the wiki has nothing but a rather generic home page and the README file in the downloaded .zip has no instructions on how to install or run the game, just a changelog. So far, I'm not impressed, but I may get bored enough to install and run it just to see what happens. Possibly if I knew more about what to expect, I'd be less underwhelmed. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: I need granny games!
On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 21:43:36 -0700 ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > I have a customer (actually she is a great grand mother) who > wants me "specifically" to put her together a cheap machine > to only play Freecell. No internet, no printing, no sound. > So Xfce, Fedora, and K Patience to the rescue. I don't know that it makes teenagers run for their lives, but there is a brain game called brainworkshop on sourceforge that uses dual n-back training (based on research) to enhance / sustain working memory, thus keeping executive function of the brain in top condition. There is a talk group for people who use it with lots of useful information if you are interested in brain exercise / improvement. There is also another game based on useful field of view. This one exercises speed of responsiveness, another thing that diminishes with age. There is a paper reporting that in a study people who exercised their brain using this game for only a few hours had half the rate of dementia after 10 years of a control group. Worth a search to try to find it for someone older, or even someone younger who wants to try to prevent dementia. It might cost, and not be available for linux, but worth a look. Another thing to look at, while not a game, is brainwave entrainment. There are lots of free programs on sourceforge, and the one thing your older person might appreciate is that entraining the brain in the delta range (the range of deep sleep) improves the ability to sleep. Not to mention that entraining the brain feels really good, and who has enough of that? :-) ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
