Re: Debian vs Fedora

[Ron Yorston]

Matthew Miller wrote:
>While I can't disagree with the general sentiment, I certainly hope Fedora
>isn't being pigeonholed into "bleeding edge". Fedora also certainly "just
>works".

Except when it doesn't.  In the week since F29 was released I've
been bitten by cron not working (1639381) and web pages not rendering
(1646150).

There's a tension between "bleeding edge" and "just works".  I think
it's fair comment that Fedora tends towards the "bleeding edge".

Ron
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Re: Xfce 4.13 took it on the chin in FC29

[Marco Guazzone]

On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 8:13 AM ToddAndMargo via users <
users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> On 11/3/18 11:33 AM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Four machines upgraded to Fedora 29, two to go.  The
> > last two are servers, so they are going to wait a bit.
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Xfce 4.13 sure took it on the chin.  I just open up
> >
> >
> > launcher panels no longer scale
> > https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14828
> >
> > xfce4-about 4.13 thinks it is 4.12
> > https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14827
> >
> > xfce4-about 4.13 is missing from settings
> > https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14829
> >
> > panel icon size ignored on pop up
> > https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14830
> >
> > mailing list is down
> > https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14831
> >
>
> And one more:
>
> black background on panel icons
> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14842
>
>
>
I also experienced some problems with XFCE 4.13 in Fedora 29:
- weird colors in the workspace switcher (it is difficult to understand
what is the current workspace)
- icons in systray do not fit well
- windows sometimes forget their maximization status: if a window is
maximized and then "unmaximized", sometimes that window remains maximized
(currently, this happened only with xfce-terminal)
- some apps has strange behaviour; for instance, the welcome screen of
AndroidStudio does not appear at the center of the screen and the menu of
the AndroidStudio window looks shifted towards the left
- the XFCE's Applications Menu takes long to appear the first time

Best,

Marco
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Re: Debian vs Fedora

[luca paganotti]

Hi,
that's what I did, I tried centos, but more: during a consultancy
assignment I got few years ago I had to work with an IT service provider
that supported (and supports nowadays) only centos and opensuse within its
cloud and virtualization services.
I must say that I had no problem at all when the change was in the minor
distribution version number (i.e. from 6.3 to 6.4) but encountered great
issues when we wanted to update to different major version number (i.e. 6.x
to 7.y) even if I followed exactly all the instructions I found online on
centos web site, the outcome was the same, I had to build the new machine
from scratch.

My personal opinion is that if your choice is to have and implement a
time-based release plan, the updating process should work out of the box in
the great majority of circumstances, my personal use case is to have boxes
that *must* have installed a lot of specific software packages tailored to
meteorological forecasts and analisys, rebuild a box from scratch is a very
time consuming process (just for me, maybe others do not have such issues
...) so, at least for my personal usage and development tasks I switched to
debian, again it's not an absolute "value judgement" it's only a personal
opinion, expediency based ...



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On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 5:50 PM wwp  wrote:

> Hello luca,
>
>
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 08:43:35 +0100 luca paganotti 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi, I switched from fedora to debian few years ago after about ten years
> of
> > fedora distros usage and now happy with my linux boxes. The main reason
> was
> > the pain I had at each new fedora release, the upgrade process to new
> > versions often failed and I had to "rebuild" the offended machine(s).
> This
> > is not acceptable (at least for me), no such pains with debian even if
> I'm
> > not on the bleeding edge I have now a stable environment. I don't know if
> > things are getting better with the last fedora releases, it will be nice
> to
> > know. Fedora has been my favourite distro for at least a decade, I grow
> up
> > my linux skills with it, but I had to leave it. Anyway I think that is up
> > to you, it's your choice, take your time to explore other distros and
> think
> > well of what you search in a linux distro, what your use cases will be,
> > what you want to do with it. Have an open mind on making your choice :-)
>
> Why didn't you switch to CentOS instead of to Debian? With CentOS you
> would have kept that Fedora taste but with less updates and no upgrade
> issue (I think that the CentOS stability an update policy is more or
> less equivalent to Debian's one).
>
>
> Regards,
>
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Re: Security issue

[Doug]

On 11/06/2018 08:49 PM, finn via users wrote:
Why wouldn't you regular review your task manager, system settings 
etc. to confirm your machine has been not comprised ? (Here, few 
things which you can do to confirm there isn't a breach in your system).

1. Failed logins: /var/log/messages
2. last, w, uptime
3. /etc/passwd changed?
4. fuser for ports
5. portscans in server report
6. weird processing hogging CPU?

Switching between different distro in six month is really a big pain. 
Isnt't it ?


‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 10:57 PM, William Oliver 
 wrote:


I jump around a lot. I usually reinstall my OS every five or six 
months. I do it primarily as a security issue -- if my machine has 
been compromised and I don't know it, at least every few months I 
*know* I'm clean. What I've found is that the "pain" of installation 
varies from release to release, and is not a fedora/debian/arch/suse 
issue per se. I've had some cases where fedora installed like a dream 
and debian/mint/ubuntu had problems, some cases where debian 
installed easy and fedora crumped, and some cases where arch/manjaro 
was great and everything else had problems.


A few weeks ago, I went to Manjaro, not because I'm an Arch fan, but 
because I downloaded fedora, kubuntu, and KDE neon and it was the 
*only* one that installed without a problem. Before that, KDE neon 
installed without a hitch. Before that Fedora installed without a hitch.


In a few months, I'll do it again, and it will be a different distro 
that works...


Usually, I start with Fedora KDE spin, then try KDE neon, then try 
Manjaro, then try SUSE.



billo


Have you tried PCLinuxOS? I've been running that for quite a few years 
without any serious problems, except some years ago when Master PDF 
Editor refused to print to US Letter size. That seems to have
been fixed, but not before I was banned for complaining about it. I run 
PCLOS anyway, having seen so many problems reported on other distro 
lists. And it's a revolving system--the only time it had to be
reinstalled was when KDE5 was introduced. It is continuously updated, 
usually every Sunday night. (By the user--it doesn't arbitrarily access 
your system.)


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Security issue

[finn via users]

Why wouldn't you regular review your task manager, system settings etc. to 
confirm your machine has been not comprised ? (Here, few things which you can 
do to confirm there isn't a breach in your system).
1. Failed logins: /var/log/messages
2. last, w, uptime
3. /etc/passwd changed?
4. fuser for ports
5. portscans in server report
6. weird processing hogging CPU?

Switching between different distro in six month is really a big pain. Isnt't it 
?

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 10:57 PM, William Oliver  
wrote:

> I jump around a lot. I usually reinstall my OS every five or six months. I do 
> it primarily as a security issue -- if my machine has been compromised and I 
> don't know it, at least every few months I *know* I'm clean. What I've found 
> is that the "pain" of installation varies from release to release, and is not 
> a fedora/debian/arch/suse issue per se. I've had some cases where fedora 
> installed like a dream and debian/mint/ubuntu had problems, some cases where 
> debian installed easy and fedora crumped, and some cases where arch/manjaro 
> was great and everything else had problems.
>
> A few weeks ago, I went to Manjaro, not because I'm an Arch fan, but because 
> I downloaded fedora, kubuntu, and KDE neon and it was the *only* one that 
> installed without a problem. Before that, KDE neon installed without a hitch. 
> Before that Fedora installed without a hitch.
>
> In a few months, I'll do it again, and it will be a different distro that 
> works...
>
> Usually, I start with Fedora KDE spin, then try KDE neon, then try Manjaro, 
> then try SUSE.
>
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Re: Debian vs Fedora

[Matthew Miller]

On Mon, Nov 05, 2018 at 12:32:19PM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
> And, for that matter, each distro attracts a different type of user
> because of that different character.  Fedora attracts users who like
> being on the bleeding edge, others pick Ubuntu because It Just Works
> and so on.  And, that's the same reason people use different DEs:
> each one does things different, and appeals to a different type of
> user.  That's one of the great beauties of Linux: there's no One
> True Way.

While I can't disagree with the general sentiment, I certainly hope Fedora
isn't being pigeonholed into "bleeding edge". Fedora also certainly "just
works".

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Re: DNF Doesn't Complete

[Matthew Miller]

On Mon, Nov 05, 2018 at 12:05:00PM +, Richard Ibbotson wrote:
> 
> terminate called after throwing an instance of
> 'libdnf::File::CloseException'
>   what():  Cannot close file:
> /var/cache/dnf/fedora-modular-ce4dd907f26812da/repodata/8ed681e4b33f294f482602e931965a37c29434f72e76a1d96999d3fb4636001d-modules.yaml.gz

Please file a bug. Thanks.


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Re: VPN Interface not Remaining Active With Firewall?

[Ed Greshko]

On 11/7/18 5:43 AM, Stephen Morris wrote:
>     When I start one of the two vpn definitions, that have been in 
> networkmanager for
> years and used to work fine (I haven't used them in quite a while), it starts 
> and I get
> a pop-up message saying that interface tun0 has been activated in the 
> firewall default
> zone (being fedoraworkstation). This interface remains active for about a 
> minute or so
> until I get the pop-up message that interface tun0 has been deactivated in 
> the firewall
> default zone, and the vpn is no longer connected. The vpn connection is using 
> Openvpn.
>
>     I have checked dmesg for any message relative to tun0 or firewall and 
> there are no
> messages for either. How do I determine why the vpn won't stay active? 

Messages about Network status are in the journal.  Use journalctl to 
investigate.  I'd use
the -b 0 parameter to limit the output to the current boot.

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Re: Sticks with not lights

[Rick Stevens]

On 11/6/18 2:02 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
> 
> 
> On 11/06/2018 01:05 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
>> On 11/6/18 12:40 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
>>>
>>> On 11/06/2018 11:46 AM, George Avrunin wrote:
 On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 11:07:22 -0800, Paul Allen Newell
 
 wrote:

> Not certain why these options are more readily visible. I probably
> should have dug deeper but after a bunch of online docs showing no
> options I just figured there weren't any.
>
> Paul

 The link to the coreutils documentation gives more detail. (The man
 page also
 points to that.)  I'm not sure why you don't think the options are
 readily
 visible, unless you're working on non-Fedora (or even non-Linux)
 systems.

>>> I was using Google to search for Linux (all flavors) documentation ...
>>> as I said I realize that I should have dug deeper. Apologies.
>> No worries. Just was curious. What was the system you checked on that
>> DIDN'T list the options? In my last email I showed seven systems, and
>> only CentOS 7 didn't list them.
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> Rick:
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> This thread is hopelessly out-of-sync on my machine as this 1:05pm
> didn't arrive until 1:58pm and I sent a reply to your original at 1:24pm
> saying that "and wouldn't ya know it that I am running Centos 7 ..."

Heheheheh! Yeah, I got that message at 1:24 local time (PST). Sorry, but
I was in a meeting when it came in. Might not be your system...could be
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Re: Sticks with not lights

[Paul Allen Newell]

On 11/06/2018 01:05 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:

On 11/6/18 12:40 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:


On 11/06/2018 11:46 AM, George Avrunin wrote:

On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 11:07:22 -0800, Paul Allen Newell

wrote:


Not certain why these options are more readily visible. I probably
should have dug deeper but after a bunch of online docs showing no
options I just figured there weren't any.

Paul


The link to the coreutils documentation gives more detail. (The man
page also
points to that.)  I'm not sure why you don't think the options are
readily
visible, unless you're working on non-Fedora (or even non-Linux) systems.


I was using Google to search for Linux (all flavors) documentation ...
as I said I realize that I should have dug deeper. Apologies.

No worries. Just was curious. What was the system you checked on that
DIDN'T list the options? In my last email I showed seven systems, and
only CentOS 7 didn't list them.
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Rick:

This thread is hopelessly out-of-sync on my machine as this 1:05pm 
didn't arrive until 1:58pm and I sent a reply to your original at 1:24pm 
saying that "and wouldn't ya know it that I am running Centos 7 ..."


Paul


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[389-users] Re: Unable to enable SSL using ldapmodify on 389-Directory/1.3.7.5

[Mark Reynolds]

On 11/6/18 4:43 PM, Jason Jenkins wrote:


Hi I’m in the process of migrating from 389-Directory/1.2.11.15 -> 
389-Directory/1.3.7.5. I’m trying to automate the setup. I’m finding 
that I can no longer enable SSL via the command line using ldapmodify. 
For V1.3.7.5 setup I followed 
https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_directory_server/10/html/administration_guide/enabling_tls. 
After restarting the service, SSL is not enabled. I am able to use the 
Admin Console to enable SSL. I found that the following is missing 
from when I setup via ldapmodify vs Admin Console.


Following is missing even after following the RedHat documentation.

nsSSL3: on

nsSSL3Ciphers: -rsa_null_md5,-rsa_null_sha,+rsa_rc4_128_md5,+

sa_rc2_40_md5,+rsa_des_sha,+rsa_fips_des_sha,+rsa_3des_sha,+

,+fortezza,+fortezza_rc4_128_sha,+fortezza_null,+tls_rsa_exp

56_sha,+tls_rsa_export1024_with_des_cbc_sha,+tls_rsa_aes_128

_256_sha

^^^ This is not required, and in fact most of the ciphers seem outdated, 
but that should not be contributing to the problem.


nsKeyfile: alias/slapd-X-key3.db

nsCertfile: alias/slapd-X-cert8.db

# RSA, encryption, config

dn: cn=RSA,cn=encryption,cn=config

nsSSLToken: internal (software)

nsSSLPersonalitySSL: server-cert

nsSSLActivation: on

objectClass: top

objectClass: nsEncryptionModule

cn: RSA


This is mentioned in the admin guide link you provided


I do notice that when I make the changes via ldapmodify it says that 
the changes have been successfully made, but they don’t show up in a 
search before and after a service restart. Also “nsslapd-security” 
never changes from off to on via command line edit. Here is some info 
about my system.


Is there anything in the errors log after the restart?  FYI, I've never 
heard of config settings that get reverted after a restart.


One thing to try for debugging purposes is to enable the audit log to 
verify the server accepted the changes in the first place.


So I would start over again using ldapmodify (with the audit log 
enabled.)  When things get messed up after the restart please provide us 
the audit and errors log.


Thanks,

Mark


*OS*: CentOS Linux release 7.5.1804 (Core)

*389 packages installed*:

389-adminutil-1.1.21-2.el7.x86_64

389-admin-console-doc-1.1.12-1.el7.noarch

389-admin-console-1.1.12-1.el7.noarch

389-ds-base-libs-1.3.7.5-28.el7_5.x86_64

389-ds-console-1.2.16-1.el7.noarch

389-ds-1.2.2-6.el7.noarch

389-ds-base-1.3.7.5-28.el7_5.x86_64

389-ds-console-doc-1.2.16-1.el7.noarch

389-admin-1.1.46-1.el7.x86_64

389-console-1.1.18-1.el7.noarch

389-dsgw-1.1.11-5.el7.x86_64

*Version of Directory Server*: 389-Directory/1.3.7.5 B2018.269.1826

*Commands executing*:

ldapmodify -x -D "cn=Directory Manager" -w  << EOF

dn: cn=config

changetype: modify

replace: nsslapd-securePort

nsslapd-securePort: 636

-

replace: nsslapd-security

nsslapd-security: on

dn: cn=RSA,cn=encryption,cn=config

changetype: modify

replace: nsSSLToken

nsSSLToken: internal (software)

-

replace: nsSSLPersonalitySSL

nsSSLPersonalitySSL: server-cert

-

replace: nsSSLActivation

nsSSLActivation: on

EOF

systemctl restart dirsrv@X.service


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[389-users] Unable to enable SSL using ldapmodify on 389-Directory/1.3.7.5

[Jason Jenkins]

Hi I’m in the process of migrating from 389-Directory/1.2.11.15 -> 
389-Directory/1.3.7.5. I’m trying to automate the setup. I’m finding that I can 
no longer enable SSL via the command line using ldapmodify. For V1.3.7.5 setup 
I followed 
https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_directory_server/10/html/administration_guide/enabling_tls.
 After restarting the service, SSL is not enabled. I am able to use the Admin 
Console to enable SSL. I found that the following is missing from when I setup 
via ldapmodify vs Admin Console.


Following is missing even after following the RedHat documentation.

nsSSL3: on
nsSSL3Ciphers: -rsa_null_md5,-rsa_null_sha,+rsa_rc4_128_md5,+
sa_rc2_40_md5,+rsa_des_sha,+rsa_fips_des_sha,+rsa_3des_sha,+
,+fortezza,+fortezza_rc4_128_sha,+fortezza_null,+tls_rsa_exp
56_sha,+tls_rsa_export1024_with_des_cbc_sha,+tls_rsa_aes_128
_256_sha
nsKeyfile: alias/slapd-X-key3.db
nsCertfile: alias/slapd-X-cert8.db

# RSA, encryption, config
dn: cn=RSA,cn=encryption,cn=config
nsSSLToken: internal (software)
nsSSLPersonalitySSL: server-cert
nsSSLActivation: on
objectClass: top
objectClass: nsEncryptionModule
cn: RSA




I do notice that when I make the changes via ldapmodify it says that the 
changes have been successfully made, but they don’t show up in a search before 
and after a service restart. Also “nsslapd-security” never changes from off to 
on via command line edit. Here is some info about my system.


OS: CentOS Linux release 7.5.1804 (Core)
389 packages installed:
389-adminutil-1.1.21-2.el7.x86_64
389-admin-console-doc-1.1.12-1.el7.noarch
389-admin-console-1.1.12-1.el7.noarch
389-ds-base-libs-1.3.7.5-28.el7_5.x86_64
389-ds-console-1.2.16-1.el7.noarch
389-ds-1.2.2-6.el7.noarch
389-ds-base-1.3.7.5-28.el7_5.x86_64
389-ds-console-doc-1.2.16-1.el7.noarch
389-admin-1.1.46-1.el7.x86_64
389-console-1.1.18-1.el7.noarch
389-dsgw-1.1.11-5.el7.x86_64

Version of Directory Server: 389-Directory/1.3.7.5 B2018.269.1826

Commands executing:

ldapmodify -x -D "cn=Directory Manager" -w  << EOF
dn: cn=config
changetype: modify
replace: nsslapd-securePort
nsslapd-securePort: 636
-
replace: nsslapd-security
nsslapd-security: on

dn: cn=RSA,cn=encryption,cn=config
changetype: modify
replace: nsSSLToken
nsSSLToken: internal (software)
-
replace: nsSSLPersonalitySSL
nsSSLPersonalitySSL: server-cert
-
replace: nsSSLActivation
nsSSLActivation: on
EOF


systemctl restart dirsrv@X.service
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VPN Interface not Remaining Active With Firewall?

[Stephen Morris]

Hi,

    When I start one of the two vpn definitions, that have been in 
networkmanager for years and used to work fine (I haven't used them in 
quite a while), it starts and I get a pop-up message saying that 
interface tun0 has been activated in the firewall default zone (being 
fedoraworkstation). This interface remains active for about a minute or 
so until I get the pop-up message that interface tun0 has been 
deactivated in the firewall default zone, and the vpn is no longer 
connected. The vpn connection is using Openvpn.


    I have checked dmesg for any message relative to tun0 or firewall 
and there are no messages for either. How do I determine why the vpn 
won't stay active?



regards,

Steve

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Re: Network Manager not Retaining Wifi Password

[Stephen Morris]

On 1/10/18 7:35 am, Stephen Morris wrote:

On 29/9/18 1:25 am, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 9/28/18 11:49 AM, Stephen Morris wrote:
I switched my wife definition in networkmanager back to "Store 
password for this
user only (encrypted)" and that put a uuid entry into the maps area, 
while I was
watching, that matched the uuid in the ifcfg file with my wifi 
password. Having

rebooted the issue has now been resolved.
Good to know that the issue has been resolved.  I really hope it 
wasn't due to

switching your "wife definition".  :-)


I don't think it was switching the wifi definition. The encrypted 
definition is what I have always used, but it stopped working when I 
changed the wifi router and adapter and the kernel wouldn't load the 
adapter driver because of the compile options I used. Thankyou for all 
your help.



regards,

Steve


Having just revisited this issue after rectifying the issue with my wifi 
definition, it has resurfaced again with my two vpn definitions. The two 
vpn definitions don't have the password recorded even though I have 
specified it in the past. If I bring up knetworkmanager5 and look in 
there the password is there, and if I transfer it into the vpn 
definition in networkmanager and 'apply' it, select 'ok' to exit the 
edit process, and then re-edit the definition, the password is not there 
(this is the same issue I originally had with the wifi definition), and 
then when I connect to the definition I am prompted for the vpn password 
(I don't get prompted for the kwallet password as I have pam-kwallet 
installed).


Do I need to change the definition from 'save password encrypted' to 
'save not encrypted' to get the appropriate file created with the 
password, and then change it back to 'save password encrypted' to get 
the password retained (as worked with the wifi password issue)? If so, 
why is networkmanager now working like this?



regards,

Steve






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Re: httpd 2.4.35 update

[YOUNG, MICHAEL A.]

On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, Chris Kottaridis wrote:

> Is httpd in Fedora 28 going to be upgraded to 2.4.35 any time soon?
>
> Have the in-house security compliance team pushing for it.

The only security issue fixed in 2.4.35 seems to be CVE-2018-11763 in 
HTTP/2 which Fedora provides in the separate mod_http2 package. The 
security issue was fixed in mod_http2-1.11.1-1.fc28 so I don't think you 
actually have a problem.

Michael Young
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Re: Sticks with not lights

[Rick Stevens]

On 11/6/18 12:40 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
> 
> 
> On 11/06/2018 11:46 AM, George Avrunin wrote:
>> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 11:07:22 -0800, Paul Allen Newell
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Not certain why these options are more readily visible. I probably
>>> should have dug deeper but after a bunch of online docs showing no
>>> options I just figured there weren't any.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>
>>
>> The link to the coreutils documentation gives more detail. (The man
>> page also
>> points to that.)  I'm not sure why you don't think the options are
>> readily
>> visible, unless you're working on non-Fedora (or even non-Linux) systems.
>>
> 
> I was using Google to search for Linux (all flavors) documentation ...
> as I said I realize that I should have dug deeper. Apologies.

No worries. Just was curious. What was the system you checked on that
DIDN'T list the options? In my last email I showed seven systems, and
only CentOS 7 didn't list them.
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Re: httpd 2.4.35 update

[Terry Polzin]

Fedora 29 was GOLD last week.

On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 3:52 PM Chris Kottaridis 
wrote:

> Is httpd in Fedora 28 going to be upgraded to 2.4.35 any time soon?
>
> Have the in-house security compliance team pushing for it.
>
> Thanks
> Chris K
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Re: Sticks with not lights

[Paul Allen Newell]

On 11/06/2018 11:46 AM, George Avrunin wrote:

On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 11:07:22 -0800, Paul Allen Newell 
wrote:



Not certain why these options are more readily visible. I probably
should have dug deeper but after a bunch of online docs showing no
options I just figured there weren't any.

Paul



The link to the coreutils documentation gives more detail. (The man page also
points to that.)  I'm not sure why you don't think the options are readily
visible, unless you're working on non-Fedora (or even non-Linux) systems.



I was using Google to search for Linux (all flavors) documentation ... 
as I said I realize that I should have dug deeper. Apologies.

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Re: Sticks with not lights

[Rick Stevens]

On 11/6/18 11:46 AM, George Avrunin wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 11:07:22 -0800, Paul Allen Newell 
> wrote:
> 
>> Rick:
>>
>> Thanks for reply. I went through a bunch on man pages that do not list 
>> the -f option. After getting your email, I went looking for a bunch more 
>> and finally found one that had the -f and -d option.
>>
>> I note that 'sync --help' only provides 'Usage: sync [OPTION]' without 
>> listing what the options are. I have just followed their suggestion of 
>> running "info coreutils 'sync invocation'" which gives alot of options.
>>
>> Not certain why these options are more readily visible. I probably 
>> should have dug deeper but after a bunch of online docs showing no 
>> options I just figured there weren't any.
>>
>> Paul
> 
> On both Fedora 28 and 29 (I don't have any older versions available), "man
> sync" describes the -f option and "sync --help" returns the following:
> 
>   Usage: sync [OPTION] [FILE]...
>   Synchronize cached writes to persistent storage
> 
>   If one or more files are specified, sync only them,
>   or their containing file systems.
> 
> -d, --data sync only file data, no unneeded metadata
> -f, --file-system  sync the file systems that contain the files
> --help display this help and exit
> --version  output version information and exit
> 
>   GNU coreutils online help: 
>   Full documentation at: 
>   or available locally via: info '(coreutils) sync invocation'
> 
> The link to the coreutils documentation gives more detail. (The man page also
> points to that.)  I'm not sure why you don't think the options are readily
> visible, unless you're working on non-Fedora (or even non-Linux) systems.

Did a bit of snooping with VMs I have with the following results:

OS  "man sync"  "sync --help"
--- --- -
F26 Full optionsFull options
F27 Full optionsFull options
F28 Full optionsFull options
F29 Full optionsFull options
CentOS 7No options  No options
Ubuntu 17   Full optionsFull options
Ubuntu 18   Full optionsFull options

So, of the seven OSes I checked, only CentOS 7 didn't offer a full man
page or show the options with "--help". Weird.
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httpd 2.4.35 update

[Chris Kottaridis]

Is httpd in Fedora 28 going to be upgraded to 2.4.35 any time soon?

Have the in-house security compliance team pushing for it.

Thanks
Chris K
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Re: Sticks with not lights

[George Avrunin]

On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 11:07:22 -0800, Paul Allen Newell 
wrote:

> Rick:
> 
> Thanks for reply. I went through a bunch on man pages that do not list 
> the -f option. After getting your email, I went looking for a bunch more 
> and finally found one that had the -f and -d option.
> 
> I note that 'sync --help' only provides 'Usage: sync [OPTION]' without 
> listing what the options are. I have just followed their suggestion of 
> running "info coreutils 'sync invocation'" which gives alot of options.
> 
> Not certain why these options are more readily visible. I probably 
> should have dug deeper but after a bunch of online docs showing no 
> options I just figured there weren't any.
> 
> Paul

On both Fedora 28 and 29 (I don't have any older versions available), "man
sync" describes the -f option and "sync --help" returns the following:

  Usage: sync [OPTION] [FILE]...
  Synchronize cached writes to persistent storage

  If one or more files are specified, sync only them,
  or their containing file systems.

-d, --data sync only file data, no unneeded metadata
-f, --file-system  sync the file systems that contain the files
--help display this help and exit
--version  output version information and exit

  GNU coreutils online help: 
  Full documentation at: 
  or available locally via: info '(coreutils) sync invocation'

The link to the coreutils documentation gives more detail. (The man page also
points to that.)  I'm not sure why you don't think the options are readily
visible, unless you're working on non-Fedora (or even non-Linux) systems.


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Re: NFS acting weird?

[Cameron Simpson]

On 06Nov2018 09:57, Tom Horsley  wrote:
>I've got filesystems hosted on centos 7. They are mounted
>(nfs4) on my newly configured fedora 29 desktop.
>
>I'm debugging an executable that lives on the NFS filesystem.
>I make changes and recompile over on the centos system.
>
>I try testing the newly compiled executable on fedora 29
>and it acts totally strange in ways that make no sense.

Compiled on the Centos system, but dynamicly linking to library from the 
Fedora system? That could be a bad combination.

Are the outputs of "ldd your-executable", run on fedora and centos, 
different?

>I reboot the fedora 29 system and try testing again, and
>everything seems to be as expected.

Weird.

>I can't put my finger on anything specific, but it sure seems
>like NFS is at fault somehow.

So: copy the source to fedora and compile on fedora. Is the behaviour 
normal or weird?

Guessing in the dark here, but a dynamicly linked executable will be 
getting its library from the local system. But if it was compiled 
remotely the headers will describe the remote system libraries. Binary 
level badness if things mismatch, possibly.

Cheers,
Cameron Simpson 
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Re: Sticks with not lights

[Paul Allen Newell]

On 11/06/2018 09:56 AM, Rick Stevens wrote:

On 11/5/18 10:03 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

ToddAndMargo:

I am struggling with this one as well. To the best of my googling, it
seems that the "sync" command needs to be done before clicking "safely
remove" (or whatever). Documentation also says that "sudo umount
" should do it, but I have experienced at least one instance
where it didn't seem like it worked ... not certain what happened.

I am still testing but I "think" I am seeing that doing a "safely
remove" and then a sync before physically removing gives best result (as
in no pop-up warning). Do not understand why this is.

Not happy that the led light is vanishing on newer sticks ...

The "sync" command does not appear to be all that nice to the stick and
there doesn't appear to be any way to isolate the "sync" to the stick.

If you issue the sync command, give it a "-f" and specify a file on that
stick (perhaps the root of the filesystem):

sync -f /flash/mountpoint/

then it should only sync the filesystem on /flash/mountpoint.


I would hope that someone on this user-list who is more knowledgeable
will correct me with a better way.

That's the best I can offer. Remember that USB and FLASH are a lot
slower than IDE/SATA/SAS stuff.


On 11/05/2018 09:03 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Hi All,

I am starting to use flash drive s with no led activity indicator.
In my scripts that write to them, I am able to umount then watch
the blinking lights to make sure it is done before removing them

But with no led indicator, how can I test from my script to
make sure it is done writing?

As far as I know, there's no way to reliably tell if everything has
been flushed to the media. The sync command above shouldn't return until
it's complete, so if you include it in your script, you should be OK.
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Rick:

Thanks for reply. I went through a bunch on man pages that do not list 
the -f option. After getting your email, I went looking for a bunch more 
and finally found one that had the -f and -d option.


I note that 'sync --help' only provides 'Usage: sync [OPTION]' without 
listing what the options are. I have just followed their suggestion of 
running "info coreutils 'sync invocation'" which gives alot of options.


Not certain why these options are more readily visible. I probably 
should have dug deeper but after a bunch of online docs showing no 
options I just figured there weren't any.


Paul
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Re: NFS acting weird?

[Tom Horsley]

On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 17:46:58 +
Rick Stevens wrote:

> > I try testing the newly compiled executable on fedora 29
> > and it acts totally strange in ways that make no sense.  
> 
> That's singularly useless in letting us help you. Be specific as to
> what didn't work.

The behavior is singularly random, so it is hard to describe
usefully. It is like the program was designed to compute PI
to 10 digits, but instead it draws a picture of a duck :-).

I'm beginning to suspect that my actual problem is that the
sigsetops routines have changed in the new glibc and I'm getting
random trash in signal sets because I'm getting errors from
things like sigaddset I didn't get with f28 libs and I'm going down
strange and wondrous code paths.

I still have no idea why the behavior always radically changes
when I relink the program on the remote system though.
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Re: Sticks with not lights

[Rick Stevens]

On 11/5/18 10:03 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
> ToddAndMargo:
> 
> I am struggling with this one as well. To the best of my googling, it
> seems that the "sync" command needs to be done before clicking "safely
> remove" (or whatever). Documentation also says that "sudo umount
> " should do it, but I have experienced at least one instance
> where it didn't seem like it worked ... not certain what happened.
> 
> I am still testing but I "think" I am seeing that doing a "safely
> remove" and then a sync before physically removing gives best result (as
> in no pop-up warning). Do not understand why this is.
> 
> Not happy that the led light is vanishing on newer sticks ...
> 
> The "sync" command does not appear to be all that nice to the stick and
> there doesn't appear to be any way to isolate the "sync" to the stick.

If you issue the sync command, give it a "-f" and specify a file on that
stick (perhaps the root of the filesystem):

sync -f /flash/mountpoint/

then it should only sync the filesystem on /flash/mountpoint.

> I would hope that someone on this user-list who is more knowledgeable
> will correct me with a better way.

That's the best I can offer. Remember that USB and FLASH are a lot
slower than IDE/SATA/SAS stuff.

> On 11/05/2018 09:03 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I am starting to use flash drive s with no led activity indicator.
>> In my scripts that write to them, I am able to umount then watch
>> the blinking lights to make sure it is done before removing them
>>
>> But with no led indicator, how can I test from my script to
>> make sure it is done writing?

As far as I know, there's no way to reliably tell if everything has
been flushed to the media. The sync command above shouldn't return until
it's complete, so if you include it in your script, you should be OK.
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Re: Sticks with not lights

[Rick Stevens]

On 11/5/18 10:03 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
> ToddAndMargo:
> 
> I am struggling with this one as well. To the best of my googling, it
> seems that the "sync" command needs to be done before clicking "safely
> remove" (or whatever). Documentation also says that "sudo umount
> " should do it, but I have experienced at least one instance
> where it didn't seem like it worked ... not certain what happened.
> 
> I am still testing but I "think" I am seeing that doing a "safely
> remove" and then a sync before physically removing gives best result (as
> in no pop-up warning). Do not understand why this is.
> 
> Not happy that the led light is vanishing on newer sticks ...
> 
> The "sync" command does not appear to be all that nice to the stick and
> there doesn't appear to be any way to isolate the "sync" to the stick.

If you issue the sync command, give it a "-f" and specify a file on that
stick (perhaps the root of the filesystem):

sync -f /flash/mountpoint/

then it should only sync the filesystem on /flash/mountpoint.

> I would hope that someone on this user-list who is more knowledgeable
> will correct me with a better way.

That's the best I can offer. Remember that USB and FLASH are a lot
slower than IDE/SATA/SAS stuff.

> On 11/05/2018 09:03 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I am starting to use flash drive s with no led activity indicator.
>> In my scripts that write to them, I am able to umount then watch
>> the blinking lights to make sure it is done before removing them
>>
>> But with no led indicator, how can I test from my script to
>> make sure it is done writing?

As far as I know, there's no way to reliably tell if everything has
been flushed to the media. The sync command above shouldn't return until
it's complete, so if you include it in your script, you should be OK.
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Re: NFS acting weird?

[Rick Stevens]

On 11/6/18 6:57 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> I've got filesystems hosted on centos 7. They are mounted
> (nfs4) on my newly configured fedora 29 desktop.
> 
> I'm debugging an executable that lives on the NFS filesystem.
> I make changes and recompile over on the centos system.
> 
> I try testing the newly compiled executable on fedora 29
> and it acts totally strange in ways that make no sense.

That's singularly useless in letting us help you. Be specific as to
what didn't work.

> I reboot the fedora 29 system and try testing again, and
> everything seems to be as expected.
> 
> I can't put my finger on anything specific, but it sure seems
> like NFS is at fault somehow.

Try turning off caching on the NFS mount by specifying "noac" in the
options. I don't know if there's a different default for F29 versus F28,
but caching can confuse things. I/O will be slower, but things will be
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Re: Serious F29 Problem - For me!

[ja]

On Tue, 2018-11-06 at 12:19 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 15:34:09 +
> ja wrote:
> 
> > Has anyone else seen this problem or has some suggestion for
> > better ways of trouble shooting?
> 
> I've been having serious issues debugging programs built
> on NFS filesystems. I can't point to a specific thing yet, but
> I'm really suspicious of NFS at this point. (Same sort of debugging
> same sort of programs, no problems under fedora 28).
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Hmmm - Interesting

I have spent the whole day on this - being very concerned that
my F28 machine and/or Centos server account may become corrupt.

Tomorrow is another day!
Thanks
John

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[389-users] Re: Allow filters through PTA Plugin

[Mark Reynolds]

On 11/6/18 4:04 AM, LHEUREUX Bernard wrote:

Hi all,

I'm pretty new in the usage of 389-DS and I would like to know if some of you 
could help me achieve a feature that would:

Have a 389-Directory server in front of AD Domain Controllers acting as "ldap 
proxy" to protect access to the DC but allowing to authenticate users with their 
LDAP AD account AND allowing to retrieve the list of Groups members (via filters) of the 
AD through PTA ?

Is that possible and how could achieve this ?


Yes, but you need to use SSSD as well:

https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_directory_server/10/html/administration_guide/pam-pta#pam-pta-sssd

I personally have not done this, but it is documented in the 
Administration Guide


HTH,
Mark



Thanks for your help

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Re: Debian vs Fedora

[William Oliver]

I jump around a lot.  I usually reinstall my OS every five or six
months.  I do it primarily as a security issue -- if my machine has
been compromised and I don't know it, at least every few months I
*know* I'm clean.  What I've found is that the "pain" of installation
varies from release to release, and is not a fedora/debian/arch/suse
issue per se.   I've had some cases where fedora installed like a dream
and debian/mint/ubuntu had problems, some cases where debian installed
easy and fedora crumped, and some cases where arch/manjaro was great
and everything else had problems.
A few weeks ago, I went to Manjaro, not because I'm an Arch fan, but
because I downloaded fedora, kubuntu, and KDE neon and it was the
*only* one that installed without a problem.   Before that, KDE neon
installed without a hitch.  Before that Fedora installed without a
hitch.
In a few months, I'll do it again, and it will be a different distro
that works...
Usually, I start with Fedora KDE spin, then try KDE neon, then try
Manjaro, then try SUSE.

billo

On Tue, 2018-11-06 at 08:43 +0100, luca paganotti wrote:
> Hi, I switched from fedora to debian few years ago after about ten
> years of fedora distros usage and now happy with my linux boxes. The
> main reason was the pain I had at each new fedora release, the
> upgrade process to new versions often failed and I had to "rebuild"
> the offended machine(s). This is not acceptable (at least for me), no
> such pains with debian even if I'm not on the bleeding edge I have
> now a stable environment. I don't know if things are getting better
> with the last fedora releases, it will be nice to know. Fedora has
> been my favourite distro for at least a decade, I grow up my linux
> skills with it, but I had to leave it. Anyway I think that is up to
> you, it's your choice, take your time to explore other distros and
> think well of what you search in a linux distro, what your use cases
> will be, what you want to do with it. Have an open mind on making
> your choice :-)
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I'm a Debian user(from almost 3 years). And I've question Why
> > should I choose Fedora over Debian as a my operating system?
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: Serious F29 Problem - For me!

[Tom Horsley]

On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 15:34:09 +
ja wrote:

> Has anyone else seen this problem or has some suggestion for
> better ways of trouble shooting?

I've been having serious issues debugging programs built
on NFS filesystems. I can't point to a specific thing yet, but
I'm really suspicious of NFS at this point. (Same sort of debugging
same sort of programs, no problems under fedora 28).
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Re: Testing gnuplot with libcerf

[Joe Zeff]

On 11/06/2018 12:17 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
Most languages have a math library containing a pi constant that is as 
precise as the computer can store.  How is using a trig function going 
to be more accurate?


This was from back in the early 1980s, when languages didn't have those 
constants built in.

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Re: Debian vs Fedora

[wwp]

Hello luca,


On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 08:43:35 +0100 luca paganotti  
wrote:

> Hi, I switched from fedora to debian few years ago after about ten years of
> fedora distros usage and now happy with my linux boxes. The main reason was
> the pain I had at each new fedora release, the upgrade process to new
> versions often failed and I had to "rebuild" the offended machine(s). This
> is not acceptable (at least for me), no such pains with debian even if I'm
> not on the bleeding edge I have now a stable environment. I don't know if
> things are getting better with the last fedora releases, it will be nice to
> know. Fedora has been my favourite distro for at least a decade, I grow up
> my linux skills with it, but I had to leave it. Anyway I think that is up
> to you, it's your choice, take your time to explore other distros and think
> well of what you search in a linux distro, what your use cases will be,
> what you want to do with it. Have an open mind on making your choice :-)

Why didn't you switch to CentOS instead of to Debian? With CentOS you
would have kept that Fedora taste but with less updates and no upgrade
issue (I think that the CentOS stability an update policy is more or
less equivalent to Debian's one).


Regards,

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Serious F29 Problem - For me!

[ja]

I have a fully working (Clean Installed) F29 test machine which
seems OK for some users (fred) who has a very small home directory.

User home directories are NFS mounted from a
Centos 7.5.1804 server

I am using lightdm & XFCE on both F28 & F29

I login to F29 as me (ja) and the display locks up continually,
the display can become smeared, applications freeze, ...,
it is totally unusable - core dumping maybe.

I login to XFCE as another user (fred) and su - ja and run applications
with no problems - evolution, google-chrome, pcmanfm, ...

I conclude that there is something in my ~/.config or ~/.cache
that F29 cannot handle during the login phase or shortly after.
There are 11323 files in ~/.config
and 5431 in ~/.cache

Worse still when I return to my F28 machine as ja then
problems are now present on that machine as well.
Presumably ~/.config (maybe ~/.cache) has been corrupted by F29.

I have to restore ~/.config (394MB) and once ~/.cache(532MB)
from a backup before I have a usable F28 machine again.
(and hence can send this email)

I have tried things such as "find ~/.config -amin -3" to find
changed files but nothing I have deleted/moved has helped.

I have used journalctl -f and top

I have seen xfce4-panel, xfsettingsd, xfdesktop seg fault
(libgdk-3)

At one stage I thought "setenforce 0" helped but now not convinced.

Has anyone else seen this problem or has some suggestion for
better ways of trouble shooting?

I am loathe to have to re-create all those settings in ~/.config

Struggling!

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NFS acting weird?

[Tom Horsley]

I've got filesystems hosted on centos 7. They are mounted
(nfs4) on my newly configured fedora 29 desktop.

I'm debugging an executable that lives on the NFS filesystem.
I make changes and recompile over on the centos system.

I try testing the newly compiled executable on fedora 29
and it acts totally strange in ways that make no sense.

I reboot the fedora 29 system and try testing again, and
everything seems to be as expected.

I can't put my finger on anything specific, but it sure seems
like NFS is at fault somehow.

When I had fedora 28 on this same desktop and was doing the
same kind of development, the strangeness never manifested.
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Re: F28 help with firfox-tls-proxy

[Ed Greshko]

On 11/6/18 10:16 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> and then i 1st went to spectrum.ieee.org then back to mmn.com and it worked.
>
> i am going to have to set up to one of the free vpns
>
> what client should i install 

NetworkManager should have all you need.  Depends on the VPN. 

My VPN is openVPN based so NetworkManager-openvpn takes care of everything.

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Re: Debian vs Fedora

[Dario Lesca]

Il giorno mar, 06/11/2018 alle 12.18 +0100, luca paganotti ha scritto:
> happy to know you hadn't any problem, 

Emm... hadn't any problem it's too much ... sometime i had problems and
sometimes I had to use "esoteric solution" to get around them ...
but
The experience gained in these years using Centos/RedHat/Fedora,
mailing list and perseverance has often been my friend.

Have a good day and ... happy Debianing :-)
 
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(inviato dal mio Linux Fedora 28 Workstation)
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Re: F28 help with firfox-tls-proxy

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 11/6/18 7:23 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:



On 11/5/18 8:05 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 11/5/18 11:23 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

On 11/5/18 12:29 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
What is the message from Firefox for that one?  It doesn't redirect 
to https, so there shouldn't be any ssl messages.


it went very quickly to https.

just now, i opened a new FF window, typed in the http://ietf.org, 
and this time it worked.


oh course i won't put it past my ietf colleagues to have put in a 
few changes on their end based on my experience.


I typed it in and it didn't redirect.  Do you have the https 
everywhere extension or something like it?


only adblock plus and shockwave.

this morning i cannot access mnn.com!

i have a desease in FF /


and then i 1st went to spectrum.ieee.org then back to mmn.com and it worked.

i am going to have to set up to one of the free vpns

what client should i install
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(F28) Lost touchpad scrolling Synaptics

[tonynelson]

Touchpad edge scrolling had been working with libinput.  I installed
xorg-x11-drv-synaptics-legacy-1.9.0-7.fc28.x86_64 to get back having
typing disable the touchpad momentarily (y'all know why).  For a little
while, touchpad scrolling worked properly, and then it got erratic
so that I thought it was a kernel update, and then it stopped working
at all.  Removing synaptics and rebooting and thus returning to
libinput has brought back touchpad scrolling.  It also seems to have
retained that little touchpad insensitivity while typing.  Can anyone
explain or tell me how to figure this out?

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Re: F28 help with firfox-tls-proxy

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 11/5/18 8:05 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 11/5/18 11:23 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

On 11/5/18 12:29 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
What is the message from Firefox for that one?  It doesn't redirect 
to https, so there shouldn't be any ssl messages.


it went very quickly to https.

just now, i opened a new FF window, typed in the http://ietf.org, and 
this time it worked.


oh course i won't put it past my ietf colleagues to have put in a few 
changes on their end based on my experience.


I typed it in and it didn't redirect.  Do you have the https 
everywhere extension or something like it?


only adblock plus and shockwave.

this morning i cannot access mnn.com!

i have a desease in FF

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Re: Debian vs Fedora

[George N. White III]

On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 at 15:09, vipul kumar via users <
users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> I'm a Debian user(from almost 3 years). And I've question Why should I
> choose Fedora over Debian as a my operating system?
>
>
Well, Fedora users have concerns over the long-term direction of Fedora.
 Debian policies put more emphasis on
freedom which means some hardware and software won't be supported as well
as it might be under Fedora.

I see several useful answers, but some flavored by past experiences.
 Debian has stable and unstable versions, roughly like
CentOS and Fedora, respectively, so be way of the comments about older and
newer versions of software.   Linux has
been changing so rapidly that last year's experience may not be relevant
today.   Some hardware may work well with Fedora
but not Debian, or vice versa.

For me, community is important when choosing a distro.  What distro are
your colleagues using?  If you have a "mission critical"
application check which distros are most popular with users of that
application.   Look at the quality of the forums.
Ubuntu forums tend to have many new users with a Windows background.   Some
linux users "give back" by offering
support to such users, but others find the noise makes it harder to track
down solutions to their problems.   Fedora forums
have users who started on mainframes, which gives a very different
perspective on linux than the younger generation.

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devel changes :: recommendation for changes

[Adrian Sevcenco]

Hi! Starting with f28 there were some changes in glibc components (and i
think not only that) .. so, regarding tirpc contents now should be
enough to add -I/usr/include/tirpc ?

what is the difference between tirpc and ntirpc ?
can ntirpc replace tirpc ?

also i have some autoconf problems : link step that used to work in f27
now does not find references ...

Does anyone have any ideas/advices related to these?
Thanks a lot!!
Adrian






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Re: Debian vs Fedora

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2018-11-05 at 16:11 -0800, a...@clueserver.org wrote:
> > On Mon, 2018-11-05 at 10:59 -0800, a...@clueserver.org wrote:
> > > Fedora also ships or gives you access to a number of packages that are
> > > not
> > > "ideologically pure". (NVIDIA drivers and the like.) It depends on
> > > whether
> > > you need those packages.
> > 
> > AFAIK this is not the case. Fedora's official repos only contain free
> > software. Other repos, notable RPMfusion, contain other things
> > including proprietary drivers, but no doubt the same is true of Debian.
> 
> The new version of the Gnome software app will point you to a subset of
> those repositories on Fedora. Debian has a history of not wanting to ship
> anything non-free. (More that almost any other distro I have seen.) Every
> distro seems to have alternate repos with non-free or morally ambiguous
> software.

My point is that other repos, not directly supported by the Debian
project, offer non-free software. This is exactly the same as Fedora.
Their criterion for designating something as free may differ in some
details, but the same basic philosophy holds with both projects.

poc
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Re: Debian vs Fedora

[luca paganotti]

Dear Dario,
happy to know you hadn't any problem, unfortunately that was not my case
and often for this reason: even if I was keeping only the two last kernel
versions, my boot partition always suffered, in case of updating the whole
system, of disk space lacking for the new release. I've tried to double the
recommended boot partition dimensions but without luck. Also I didn't stuck
to the fedora only repositories and installed some packages from others,
often this caused dependencies problems, but this is a minor issue, most of
the times I had to (re)install the system from scratch. Maybe I'm not so
skilled, maybe I do not spend the right amount of time on that issue, may
be I had messy things on my boxes (but I'm quite polite in my setup and
rarely do messy things). These things happened on more than one fedora box
and that made me switch to debian. I'm not judging anyone or saying that a
distro is better than another, I'm not opened to a "religion war" and I
thank all the fedora guys too, I've learned so much using fedora, but 'now'
debian is working better for me and that's all. I stopped using fedora from
f18 as some software I was working on at that time stopped from being
compiled correctly (eyedb).

Have a good day and happy fedoraing :-)



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On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 11:55 AM Dario Lesca  wrote:

> Il giorno mar, 06/11/2018 alle 08.43 +0100, luca paganotti ha scritto:
>
> he main reason was the pain I had at each new fedora release, the upgrade
> process to new versions often failed and I had to "rebuild" the offended
> machine(s).
>
>
> I use fedora from FC1, reinstalled on my old notebook from RedHat 9.
>
> When I changed my notebook to current notebook (DELL Latitude i7/8Gb), I
> installed what at that time was the last version of Fedora: Fedora 18
> (Spherical Cow).
>
> [lesca@dodo ~]$ sudo ls -l /root/anaconda-ks.cfg
>
> -rw---. 1 root root 1005 18 gen  2013 /root/anaconda-ks.cfg
>
> [lesca@dodo ~]$ date
>
> mar  6 nov 2018, 10.48.56, CET
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_version_history#Fedora_18
>
> (Fedora 18, codenamed "Spherical Cow", was released on January 15, 2013.)
>
>
> Since that time I have always updated my notebook without ever reinstall
> it:
>
> f18->f19->f20->f21->f22->f23->f24->f25->f26->f27->f28 and now f29
>
> *I've never had any problems.*
> Many thanks to all Fedora Project Guys.
>
> --
>
> Dario Lesca
> (inviato dal mio Linux Fedora 28 Workstation)
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Re: Debian vs Fedora

[Germano Massullo]

Il giorno mar 6 nov 2018 alle ore 11:55 Dario Lesca
 ha scritto:
>
> Il giorno mar, 06/11/2018 alle 08.43 +0100, luca paganotti ha scritto:
>
> he main reason was the pain I had at each new fedora release, the upgrade 
> process to new versions often failed and I had to "rebuild" the offended 
> machine(s).
>
>
> I use fedora from FC1, reinstalled on my old notebook from RedHat 9.
>
> When I changed my notebook to current notebook (DELL Latitude i7/8Gb), I 
> installed what at that time was the last version of Fedora: Fedora 18 
> (Spherical Cow).
>
> [lesca@dodo ~]$ sudo ls -l /root/anaconda-ks.cfg
>
> -rw---. 1 root root 1005 18 gen  2013 /root/anaconda-ks.cfg
>
> [lesca@dodo ~]$ date
>
> mar  6 nov 2018, 10.48.56, CET
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_version_history#Fedora_18
>
> (Fedora 18, codenamed "Spherical Cow", was released on January 15, 2013.)
>
>
> Since that time I have always updated my notebook without ever reinstall it:
>
> f18->f19->f20->f21->f22->f23->f24->f25->f26->f27->f28 and now f29
>
> I've never had any problems.

IDEM
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Re: Debian vs Fedora

[Tom H]

On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 12:23 AM Patrick O'Callaghan
 wrote:
> On Mon, 2018-11-05 at 10:59 -0800, a...@clueserver.org wrote:
>>
>> Debian tends to distribute older versions of packages, where Fedora
>> ships "bleeding edge" versions. It depends what your needs are. Do
>> you need a known quantity or do you want the newest stuff that is out
>> now.
>>
>> Fedora also ships or gives you access to a number of packages that
>> are not "ideologically pure". (NVIDIA drivers and the like.) It
>> depends on whether you need those packages.
>
> AFAIK this is not the case. Fedora's official repos only contain free
> software. Other repos, notable RPMfusion, contain other things
> including proprietary drivers, but no doubt the same is true of Debian.

Debian offers a "non-free" component for its releases in a weird
compromise whereby it's unofficial even though it's hosted by Debian.
There's also an unofficial, almost-hidden non-free installer. I've,
happily, used some non-free packages at various occasions, but it's a
sore point for some Debianites.
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Re: Debian vs Fedora

[Robbi Nespu]

On 11/6/18 2:18 AM, vipul kumar via users wrote:
> Greetings,
> I'm a Debian user(from almost 3 years). And I've question Why should I choose 
> Fedora over Debian as a my operating system?

It sound like starting a flame war between 2 distro :)

The Fedora distribution is made for enthusiastic and curious computer
users that like to learn and experience newer versions of software and
therefore might not suit everyone.

Linus Torvalds, NASA etc are also using Fedora but I think Debian have
more organization and users (https://www.debian.org/users)

Both projects have a large body of collective knowledge from the
community. Debian also claimed have larger repos compare to Fedora.

Debian does not follow a time-based release model but Fedora have.

Debian systems currently use the Linux kernel or the FreeBSD kernel, but
Fedora system only use and driven by Linux kernel.

Check https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project and
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Is_Fedora_For_Me you might be found
something useful.

p/s : Every distro have they own advantage and disadvantage. The option
is left to you which one to choose as from perspective of end-user,
developer or else. I choose Fedora because it much easier for me to get
involve with OSS community and make it better.

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Re: Debian vs Fedora

[Dario Lesca]

Il giorno mar, 06/11/2018 alle 08.43 +0100, luca paganotti ha scritto:
> he main reason was the pain I had at each new fedora release, the
> upgrade process to new versions often failed and I had to "rebuild"
> the offended machine(s). 

I use fedora from FC1, reinstalled on my old notebook from RedHat 9.

When I changed my notebook to current notebook (DELL Latitude i7/8Gb),
I installed what at that time was the last version of Fedora: Fedora 18
(Spherical Cow).

[lesca@dodo ~]$ sudo ls -l /root/anaconda-ks.cfg-rw---. 1 root root
1005 18 gen  2013 /root/anaconda-ks.cfg[lesca@dodo ~]$ datemar  6 nov
2018, 10.48.56, CET
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_version_history#Fedora_18(Fedora
18, codenamed "Spherical Cow", was released on January 15, 2013.)

Since that time I have always updated my notebook without ever
reinstall it:

f18->f19->f20->f21->f22->f23->f24->f25->f26->f27->f28 and now f29

I've never had any problems.

 
Many thanks to all Fedora Project Guys.


-- 
Dario Lesca
(inviato dal mio Linux Fedora 28 Workstation)
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[389-users] Allow filters through PTA Plugin

[LHEUREUX Bernard]

Hi all,

I'm pretty new in the usage of 389-DS and I would like to know if some of you 
could help me achieve a feature that would:

Have a 389-Directory server in front of AD Domain Controllers acting as "ldap 
proxy" to protect access to the DC but allowing to authenticate users with 
their LDAP AD account AND allowing to retrieve the list of Groups members (via 
filters) of the AD through PTA ?

Is that possible and how could achieve this ?

Thanks for your help

Bernard Lheureux.
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