Re: Problems with plank settings app

[Frank McCormick]

On 2019-04-20 4:08 p.m., Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 4/20/19 9:49 AM, Frank McCormick wrote:
In installed the dock plank on my Fedora 29 installation this 
morning, then found


a python-based plank settings app.


Where did you find it?  You will need to file a bug there.


  That I have done.




I suspect it's related to Apples threat to Plank developers over use 
of the icon zoom property


which the fruit company has apparently patented ?? Plank is reported 
to have removed the zoom option,


This is why software patents need to be eliminated:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1=HITOFF=PALL=1=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm=1=G=50=7,434,177.PN.=PN/7,434,177=PN/7,434,177 


(Patent number 7,434,177)

Is there a work around? I don't particularly care about the zoom 
function eye-candy but


it would be nice to be able to use the settings app.


Until upstream fixes the app, you can either edit the python code to 
remove that part or modify the schema file to include that setting.

___


  I edited the schema file, which I then recompiled and it now works. 
No actual zoom as I suspect


the authors pulled that part of the code.


Thanks

Frank

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Re: Modem/Router/Router -

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/20/19 4:38 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
. I would answer yes to all those questions ... On this computer NM 
shows 192.168.122.1 initially, the other one I have been using ...124.1 


If this is the address you are seeing on your computer, then you're 
probably looking at virbr0 which is the virtual bridge interface used by 
libvirtd for virtual machines.  You can ignore it and if you aren't 
using virtual machines, do "systemctl disable --now libvirtd".


but this computer is normally fixed at 192.168.1.47 and so far the only 
I can get a path through my router is to WAN plug into one of the LAN 
jacks, the router then acts like a switch or a straight through Ethernet 


Isn't that what I was saying you should do?  The WAN plug on your ddwrt 
router should be plugged into one of the LAN jacks on the viasat modem. 
Or are you saying something else?


I began to suspect that my router is not configured correctly for NAT 
and have been messing with that, it has some settings I have never 
needed to use before but I think I need to adjust them, Hope to have 
time to work on that tomorrow.


It must be setup correctly for NAT or it wouldn't have worked before.
What address does your computer have and what address does the WAN 
interface on the ddwrt router get when it's plugged in?

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Re: What is a "CHESEN"?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 4/20/19 3:13 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:

On 20Apr2019 15:04, ToddAndMargo  wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2019, 09:34 ToddAndMargo via users, 
> wrote:


   $ xinput --list --short | grep -i chesen
   ⎜   ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter Mouse id=17   [slave 
pointer  (2)]
 ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter  id=16 [slave 
keyboard (3)]
 ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter System Control   id=18 
[slave  keyboard

   (3)]
 ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter Consumer Control id=19   
[slave

   keyboard (3)]


On 4/20/19 2:56 PM, Seth Kenlon wrote:

It's the manufacturer of your keyboard.
As is the case with modern Electronics, sometimes something 
manufactured by one vendor is branded and sold by another,so you may 
not recognize the name.


https://devicehunt.com/view/type/usb/vendor/0A81/device/0101



Great link!

Why is it called a mouse?

CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter Mouse


The word "pointer" on that line might be a clue. Sounds like it provides 
mouse and keyboard USB inputs. In ancient times computers had a pair of 
PS2 sockets, one for the mouse and one for the keyboard. On some places 
which socket you used mattered - they were distinctively coloured, but 
it may be that that was something the OS could deal with in software (I 
don't know enough) by recognising mouse input data versus keyboard input 
data.


Cheers,
Cameron Simpson 


It just found it!

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Re: Modem/Router/Router -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 04/20/19 15:54, Samuel Sieb wrote:


Is this device you have shaped like a triangular prism?

According to the little information I've been able to find, the viasat 
gateway should be at 192.168.100.1.  But it's not clear, so what IP 
address does your computer get when it's connected to the gateway 
using either ethernet or wireless?  Assuming you can get to the web 
interface of the gateway, the username should be "admin", the password 
is either "admin" or is written on the gateway somewhere.  You should 
be able to disable the wifi if you want and there might be a way to 
switch it to bridged mode, either in the router settings or the modem 
settings.  Be careful, if you do switch it to bridged mode, you might 
not be able access it again without completely resetting it.


In any case, bridged or not, you should be able to use your own 
router. Unless you've done some unusual configuration of your router, 
this is how it should be connected.  Connect an ethernet cable from 
your router's WAN port to one of the gateway's LAN ports.  I would 
recommend using port 1.  Now, connect your other network devices to 
your router's LAN ports or wifi.  Check the IP address of your 
computer now.  Go to your router's web interface and make sure that 
the WAN interface is set to use DHCP and check what it's IP address is.
. I would answer yes to all those questions ... On this computer NM 
shows 192.168.122.1 initially, the other one I have been using ...124.1 
but this computer is normally fixed at 192.168.1.47 and so far the only 
I can get a path through my router is to WAN plug into one of the LAN 
jacks, the router then acts like a switch or a straight through Ethernet 
adapter which also works. IO have never been able to get a signal 
through my router from the WAN jack to the LAN jacks when connected to 
the Viasat "modem." It did work with their old modem before the system 
upgrade that introduced the new modem and dish, for thirteen years 
before that the system worked with whatever equipment they provided and 
several different routers, almost always modified to run DD-WRT or the 
Tomato-USB version of DD-WRT which I prefer and using presently.


I began to suspect that my router is not configured correctly for NAT 
and have been messing with that, it has some settings I have never 
needed to use before but I think I need to adjust them, Hope to have 
time to work on that tomorrow.


And yes, the wifi password and router password are among the things on 
the bottom label and I have been using them to access the Viasat modem 
as necessary.


I hope that gets all the things you asked and I appreciate the assistance.


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Re: What is a "CHESEN"?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 4/20/19 3:10 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 4/20/19 2:33 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

$ xinput --list --short | grep -i chesen
⎜   ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter Mouse   id=17    [slave 
pointer  (2)]
 ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter id=16    [slave 
keyboard (3)]
 ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter System Control    id=18    [slave 
keyboard (3)]
 ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter Consumer Control    id=19    [slave 
keyboard (3)]


I assume you're using a device to convert your PS/2 mouse and/or 
keyboard to USB.


Hi Sam,

You called it!

My keyboard is indeed a PS/2 keyboard.  It is a UniComp and it
will never die!  Love the keyboard.  It is so old I had
forgotten it was PS/2 and I had a mouse/keyboard converter on it.

Thank you!
-T

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Re: What is a "CHESEN"?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 4/20/19 3:23 PM, George N. White III wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 at 19:05, ToddAndMargo via users 
mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org>> 
wrote:


 >> On Sun, 21 Apr 2019, 09:34 ToddAndMargo via users,
 >> mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org>
>>
 >> wrote:
 >>
 >>     $ xinput --list --short | grep -i chesen
 >>     ⎜   ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter Mouse         id=17   [slave
 >>     pointer  (2)]
 >>           ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter              id=16   [slave
 >>     keyboard (3)]
 >>           ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter System Control       id=18
 >>       [slave  keyboard
 >>     (3)]
 >>           ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter Consumer Control   
  id=19   [slave

 >>     keyboard (3)]

On 4/20/19 2:56 PM, Seth Kenlon wrote:
 > It's the manufacturer of your keyboard.
 > As is the case with modern Electronics, sometimes something
manufactured
 > by one vendor is branded and sold by another,so you may not
recognize
 > the name.
 >
 > https://devicehunt.com/view/type/usb/vendor/0A81/device/0101
 >

Great link!

Why is it called a mouse?

CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter Mouse


You need the full USB VID and PID.  Chesen supplies the internals
for a USB dongle sold under various names with "Y" cable for PS2
mouse and keyboard connectors.   The same Chesen internals could
be used internally in PC's with PS/2 ports or in keyboard-video-mouse
switches.

--
George N. White III


It just found it!

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Re: clean-up after upgrade.

[sixpack13]

I forgot one point:
...
> 
> Seems risky.  Suppose I myself never used (for example) python,
> but it's 
> "under the hood" of other packages (such as dnf).  Would that command 
> remove python?
...
un-needed python only,  I would like to say.

dnf is self-protected and -I guess- all dependent packages (python ?) too to 
make sure dnf is normally able to run
see ls -l  /etc/dnf/protected.d/
and
prove: "sudo dnf remove dnf"
=>
"Error: 
 Problem: The operation would result in removing the following protected 
packages: dnf
(try to add '--skip-broken' to skip uninstallable packages)"

in generall:
there is an history regarding executed dnf commands: 
- sudo dnf history
- sudo dnf history info 
- sudo dnf history undo 

man dnf for more

dnf history lives under /var/lib/dnf



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Re: clean-up after upgrade.

[sixpack13]

...
> See here:
> "https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/LrdPf~bE3iIlDkAPXHaPaw;
...
there are errors mostly regarding ACPI, but it doesn't seems to me that the box 
has difficulties to run. 
...
> -bash.14[~]: uname -a
> Linux [sys. name] 5.0.7-200.fc29.x86_64 ...

as I thought kmod-nvidia-5.0.7-200 belongs to your running kernel.
I guess it's in your remove list cause it was installed by hand and NOT via dnf 
from rpmfusion.
at the rpmfusion website is a howto how to install nvidia modules.
https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/NVIDIA?highlight=%28CategoryHowto%29

...
> Seems risky.  ...
I don't think so - if handled with care -
man dnf (cit.):
"dnf [options] autoremove
Removes  all  "leaf"  packages  from the system that were originally installed 
as dependencies of user-installed packages, but which are no longer required by 
any such package."
> 
> Thank-you, "sixpack13".
never mind !
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Re: What is a "CHESEN"?

[George N. White III]

On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 at 19:05, ToddAndMargo via users <
users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> >> On Sun, 21 Apr 2019, 09:34 ToddAndMargo via users,
> >> mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> $ xinput --list --short | grep -i chesen
> >> ⎜   ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter Mouse id=17   [slave
> >> pointer  (2)]
> >>   ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter  id=16   [slave
> >> keyboard (3)]
> >>   ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter System Control   id=18
> >>   [slave  keyboard
> >> (3)]
> >>   ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter Consumer Control id=19
>  [slave
> >> keyboard (3)]
>
On 4/20/19 2:56 PM, Seth Kenlon wrote:
> > It's the manufacturer of your keyboard.
> > As is the case with modern Electronics, sometimes something manufactured
> > by one vendor is branded and sold by another,so you may not recognize
> > the name.
> >
> > https://devicehunt.com/view/type/usb/vendor/0A81/device/0101
> >
>
> Great link!
>
> Why is it called a mouse?
>
> CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter Mouse
>
>
You need the full USB VID and PID.  Chesen supplies the internals
for a USB dongle sold under various names with "Y" cable for PS2
mouse and keyboard connectors.   The same Chesen internals could
be used internally in PC's with PS/2 ports or in keyboard-video-mouse
switches.

-- 
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Re: What is a "CHESEN"?

[Cameron Simpson]

On 20Apr2019 15:04, ToddAndMargo  wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2019, 09:34 ToddAndMargo via users, 
> wrote:


   $ xinput --list --short | grep -i chesen
   ⎜   ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter Mouse id=17   [slave 
pointer  (2)]
 ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter  id=16   
[slave keyboard (3)]
 ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter System Control   id=18   
[slave  keyboard

   (3)]
 ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter Consumer Control id=19   [slave
   keyboard (3)]


On 4/20/19 2:56 PM, Seth Kenlon wrote:

It's the manufacturer of your keyboard.
As is the case with modern Electronics, sometimes something 
manufactured by one vendor is branded and sold by another,so you may 
not recognize the name.


https://devicehunt.com/view/type/usb/vendor/0A81/device/0101



Great link!

Why is it called a mouse?

CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter Mouse


The word "pointer" on that line might be a clue. Sounds like it provides 
mouse and keyboard USB inputs. In ancient times computers had a pair of 
PS2 sockets, one for the mouse and one for the keyboard. On some places 
which socket you used mattered - they were distinctively coloured, but 
it may be that that was something the OS could deal with in software (I 
don't know enough) by recognising mouse input data versus keyboard input 
data.


Cheers,
Cameron Simpson 
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Re: What is a "CHESEN"?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/20/19 2:33 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

$ xinput --list --short | grep -i chesen
⎜   ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter Mouse   id=17    [slave  
pointer  (2)]
     ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter id=16    [slave  
keyboard (3)]
     ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter System Control    id=18    [slave  
keyboard (3)]
     ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter Consumer Control    id=19    [slave 
keyboard (3)]


I assume you're using a device to convert your PS/2 mouse and/or 
keyboard to USB.

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Re: What is a "CHESEN"?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On Sun, 21 Apr 2019, 09:34 ToddAndMargo via users, 
mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org>> 
wrote:


$ xinput --list --short | grep -i chesen
⎜   ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter Mouse id=17   [slave 
pointer  (2)]
  ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter  id=16   [slave 
keyboard (3)]
  ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter System Control   id=18 
  [slave  keyboard

(3)]
  ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter Consumer Control id=19   [slave
keyboard (3)]


On 4/20/19 2:56 PM, Seth Kenlon wrote:

It's the manufacturer of your keyboard.
As is the case with modern Electronics, sometimes something manufactured 
by one vendor is branded and sold by another,so you may not recognize 
the name.


https://devicehunt.com/view/type/usb/vendor/0A81/device/0101



Great link!

Why is it called a mouse?

CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter Mouse

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Re: What is a "CHESEN"?

[Seth Kenlon]

It's the manufacturer of your keyboard.
As is the case with modern Electronics, sometimes something manufactured by
one vendor is branded and sold by another,so you may not recognize the name.

https://devicehunt.com/view/type/usb/vendor/0A81/device/0101

On Sun, 21 Apr 2019, 09:34 ToddAndMargo via users, <
users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> $ xinput --list --short | grep -i chesen
> ⎜   ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter Mouse id=17   [slave  pointer
> (2)]
>  ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter  id=16   [slave  keyboard
> (3)]
>  ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter System Control   id=18   [slave
> keyboard
> (3)]
>  ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter Consumer Control id=19   [slave
> keyboard (3)]
>
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Re: clean-up after upgrade.

[home user via users]

> dmesg|grep -iEw 
bad|bug|conflict|corrupted|error|fail|failed|fault|fatal|Lock|NULL|segfault|stack|trace|warn'


See here:
"https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/LrdPf~bE3iIlDkAPXHaPaw;
for results.

> "uname -a" [etc]
Results:
-bash.14[~]: uname -a
Linux [sys. name] 5.0.7-200.fc29.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon Apr 8 15:40:59 UTC 
2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

-bash.15[~]:

> *I* usually do after an upgrade:
> sudo dnf autoremove
Seems risky.  Suppose I myself never used (for example) python, but it's 
"under the hood" of other packages (such as dnf).  Would that command 
remove python?

> sudo dnf distrosync
I already did it.

> Q.'s:
> what does "@@commandline" mean ?
I don't know.
> kmod-nvidia installed by hand ?
I installed that 5-6 years ago as instructed by others in this list.  I 
don't recall how it was done.

> is rpmfusion on your box enabled ?
yes.

Thank-you, "sixpack13".
Bill.
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Re: What is a "CHESEN"?

[Jon LaBadie]

On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 02:33:49PM -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> $ xinput --list --short | grep -i chesen
> ⎜   ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter Mouse   id=17   [slave  pointer 
>  (2)]
> ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter id=16   [slave  
> keyboard (3)]
> ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter System Control  id=18   [slave  
> keyboard (3)]
> ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter Consumer Controlid=19   [slave keyboard
> (3)]

What is ASUS, nVIDIA, LOGITECH, ...
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What is a "CHESEN"?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

$ xinput --list --short | grep -i chesen
⎜   ↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter Mouse id=17   [slave  pointer  (2)]
↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter   id=16   [slave  keyboard (3)]
↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter System Control	id=18	[slave  keyboard 
(3)]
↳ CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter Consumer Control	id=19	[slave 
keyboard (3)]


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Re: x11 and the mouse

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 4/20/19 1:59 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 4/19/19 11:59 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 4/20/19 2:56 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 4/19/19 11:13 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 4/19/19 6:22 PM, Roger Heflin wrote:

It definitely works:


How do I check what the default acceleration is set to?


right under my nose:

$ xinput --list-props 15 | grep -i "Accel Speed (" | awk '{print $5}'
1.00



That isn't the "default" that you're asking about.

You want "Accel Speed Default", yes?




Now this is interesting.  After a reboot, acceleration is off:

$ xinput --list --short | grep -i logit
⎜   ↳ Logitech USB Optical Mouse  id=15    [slave  
pointer  (2)]


$ xinput --list-props 15 | grep -i "Accel Speed (" | awk '{print $5}'
0.00


All day yesterday with it on, I had no issues scrolling
windows instead of lines


More interesting.  Xfce's mouse dialog show acceleration is on:

screenshot:
https://bugzilla.xfce.org/attachment.cgi?id=8432

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Re: x11 and the mouse

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 4/19/19 11:59 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 4/20/19 2:56 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 4/19/19 11:13 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 4/19/19 6:22 PM, Roger Heflin wrote:

It definitely works:


How do I check what the default acceleration is set to?


right under my nose:

$ xinput --list-props 15 | grep -i "Accel Speed (" | awk '{print $5}'
1.00



That isn't the "default" that you're asking about.

You want "Accel Speed Default", yes?




Now this is interesting.  After a reboot, acceleration is off:

$ xinput --list --short | grep -i logit
⎜   ↳ Logitech USB Optical Mouseid=15   [slave  pointer  (2)]

$ xinput --list-props 15 | grep -i "Accel Speed (" | awk '{print $5}'
0.00


All day yesterday with it on, I had no issues scrolling
windows instead of lines

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Re: x11 and the mouse

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 4/19/19 11:59 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 4/20/19 2:56 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 4/19/19 11:13 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 4/19/19 6:22 PM, Roger Heflin wrote:

It definitely works:


How do I check what the default acceleration is set to?


right under my nose:

$ xinput --list-props 15 | grep -i "Accel Speed (" | awk '{print $5}'
1.00



That isn't the "default" that you're asking about.

You want "Accel Speed Default", yes?




Yes.

The above was just a round about way of getting it
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Re: Is something wrong with the testing mailing list?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 4/19/19 4:41 AM, Todd Chester via users wrote:



On 4/19/19 4:04 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 4/19/19 6:42 PM, Todd Chester via users wrote:

Hi All,

I noticed that testing mailing list suddenly went
dead.  So I when to the archives

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test%40lists.fedoraproject.org/ 



and noticed that posts are arriving, but no one is
answering them.  So apparently nothing is getting
relayed back to members.

This list is normally really, really chatty.  Is it down?
Anyone here know how to contact the administrator?



It is working just fine.  Everything in the archives has arrived in my 
email.


FWIW, I don't have an answer to the Q you asked on that list.


Hi Ed,

Thanks for looking at my Q,eve if you did not have an answer.

I am not getting anything from the list.  I notice from the
archives that tons of posts have been made, but no one answered
any of the new ones.

I wonder is zoho.com got blacklisted, again.  Several mailing lists
do not work with it after its domain was used in a denial of
service attack and the black list was not removed afterwards.

You know if they ever fixed the issue with the upgrade corrupting
grub?

-T


I am also noticing that when I answer someone else's question,
it dose not get echoed back to me either. "Cups, SMB and passwords"
would be one of them.

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Re: x11 and the mouse

[Jon LaBadie]

On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 08:22:46PM -0500, Roger Heflin wrote:
> It definitely works:
> 
> xinput --list-props 11
> Device 'Kensington  Kensington USB/PS2 Orbit':
> Device Enabled (182):1
> Coordinate Transformation Matrix (184):1.00, 0.00,
> 0.00, 0.00, 1.00, 0.00, 0.00, 0.00, 1.00
> libinput Natural Scrolling Enabled (316):0
> libinput Natural Scrolling Enabled Default (317):0
> libinput Scroll Methods Available (318):0, 0, 1

Definitely.  I use xinput in a script, "tp", to control the
synaptic trackpad on several different laptops.  As I use
a wireless mouse with the computer, my .profile contains
a "/home/bin/tp off" line to disable the trackpad.

Jon
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Re: Problems with plank settings app

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/20/19 9:49 AM, Frank McCormick wrote:
In installed the dock plank on my Fedora 29 installation this morning, 
then found


a python-based plank settings app.


Where did you find it?  You will need to file a bug there.

I suspect it's related to Apples threat to Plank developers over use of 
the icon zoom property


which the fruit company has apparently patented ?? Plank is reported to 
have removed the zoom option,


This is why software patents need to be eliminated:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1=HITOFF=PALL=1=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm=1=G=50=7,434,177.PN.=PN/7,434,177=PN/7,434,177
(Patent number 7,434,177)

Is there a work around? I don't particularly care about the zoom 
function eye-candy but


it would be nice to be able to use the settings app.


Until upstream fixes the app, you can either edit the python code to 
remove that part or modify the schema file to include that setting.

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Re: Modem/Router/Router -

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/20/19 8:34 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
I have found nothing in the settings indicating that option is 
available. NetworkManager shows two connection options, Ethernet (eno1) 
virbr0, I have it running at the eno1 and a fixed ipaddress on this 
computer, that works, the other never did where it would like to be 
192.168 .122.1. My router does not normally work with that subnet?


I really don't understand what you are doing.  It sounds like you are 
trying to configure something on your computer to make it work.  This 
has nothing to do with your computer.


Is this device you have shaped like a triangular prism?

According to the little information I've been able to find, the viasat 
gateway should be at 192.168.100.1.  But it's not clear, so what IP 
address does your computer get when it's connected to the gateway using 
either ethernet or wireless?  Assuming you can get to the web interface 
of the gateway, the username should be "admin", the password is either 
"admin" or is written on the gateway somewhere.  You should be able to 
disable the wifi if you want and there might be a way to switch it to 
bridged mode, either in the router settings or the modem settings.  Be 
careful, if you do switch it to bridged mode, you might not be able 
access it again without completely resetting it.


In any case, bridged or not, you should be able to use your own router. 
Unless you've done some unusual configuration of your router, this is 
how it should be connected.  Connect an ethernet cable from your 
router's WAN port to one of the gateway's LAN ports.  I would recommend 
using port 1.  Now, connect your other network devices to your router's 
LAN ports or wifi.  Check the IP address of your computer now.  Go to 
your router's web interface and make sure that the WAN interface is set 
to use DHCP and check what it's IP address is.

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Re: Feature request : Vivaldi

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/20/19 12:15 PM, Beartooth wrote:

I tried installing Vivaldi from its own site, used it a few
weeks, and liked it immensely. Then I happened to discover that it was
not available via dnf. With copious bad memories of dependency hells, and
despite great reluctance, I gave it up. I still miss it. Couldn't it be
added to one or another of the Fedora repos??


Assuming you're referring to the web browser, it's not open source.  It 
can't go in Fedora's repos and I don't think rpmfusion would take 
something like that either.

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Feature request : Vivaldi

[Beartooth]

I tried installing Vivaldi from its own site, used it a few 
weeks, and liked it immensely. Then I happened to discover that it was 
not available via dnf. With copious bad memories of dependency hells, and 
despite great reluctance, I gave it up. I still miss it. Couldn't it be 
added to one or another of the Fedora repos??
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Remember I know little (precious little!) of where up is.
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Re: Modem/Router/Router -

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/20/19 6:40 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote:

On 04/19/19 21:04, Samuel Sieb wrote:


That's not what you want.  I don't know why you're trying to make a 
network bridge on your computer.

.
Ok, I can accept that based on you greater knowledge, but what's in a 
name? I want to connect a wide area network to a local area network but 
a network bridge wont work? The procedure for doing it was well written 
and quite clear so I thought I would try that.


A bridge is for directly connecting multiple interfaces.  One example is 
if you want your virtual machine to be directly accessible on the 
network.  Another is in a wifi router, there's usually a bridge between 
the wifi interface and the ethernet interface.


I guess you are saying that I should use NAT? I will continue googling 
for a procedure for doing that,


Yes, NAT is probably what you want. That hides a private network behind 
a single external IP address.  However, I don't understand why you're 
doing this on your computer.  This is something that is used on a 
firewall/gateway system.

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Re: Modem/Router/Router -

[Mike Wright]

On 4/20/19 8:34 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote:

On 04/20/19 10:19, Tim via users wrote:

On Sat, 2019-04-20 at 09:40 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:

Ok, I can accept that based on you greater knowledge, but what's in
a name? I want to connect a wide area network to a local area network
but a network bridge wont work? The procedure for doing it was well
written and quite clear so I thought I would try that.

I guess you are saying that I should use NAT? I will continue
googling for a procedure for doing that,

Going from prior messages, your current system is thus:


satellite > ISP supplied > your own  ---+->  the
receiver    horrible   preferred    |    rest
 modem & router router   +>   of
 doing NAT  also doing NAT   |    your
 +--->    LAN




It is labeled Viasat and model RG1100, the manual is barely adequate, 


I don't know if this will be any help or just more noise but here goes.

I read through the manual and have to say there's not much there.  First 
thing it recommends is using wired ethernet, if possible, then proceeds 
to use the rest of the limited documentation explaining how to configure 
wireless (sheesh!)


However, they may have inadvertently left a clue (sacre bleu!).


We’ll only be changing settings in the 5 GHz and 2.4 GHz sections, so 
you can ignore the Advanced Settings drop-down at the bottom for now.



Are these advanced settings for wifi only?  You'll have to check that 
yourself.  There is a chance that is where you'll find things such as 
"pass through" or "bridged".  If one of those is available that is what 
you are looking for.  When in that mode the modem/router doesn't get an 
IP but instead the mac addresses are rewritten (NAT'd) so as to appear 
to be a simple wire with raw data on its output.  YOUR router receives 
the IP addresses originally destined for the modem/router.


It's hard to imagine any front line modem/router not offering pass-thru 
but we, mere mortals, don't get to make that choice.


Good luck!

Mike Wright

ps.  Ben Mohilef just posted the link to the advanced tab.  That is what 
you want.

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Re: Modem/Router/Router -

[Ben Mohilef]

Is this of any help?

http://wildbluetools.com/content/FS/110/111/I12000_EnableDisableBridgeModemSB2PlusModem.pdf

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Re: clean-up after upgrade.

[sixpack13]

If you are able to boot with F29 last kernels without errors you might want 
remove old F2x kernels and their devel/module packages too.

dmesg|grep -iEw 
'bad|bug|conflict|corrupted|error|fail|failed|fault|fatal|Lock|NULL|segfault|stack|trace|warn'

"uname -a" will tell you the release version of your booted kernel and what 
module version is needed for your nvidia card.
if I pick it right removing kmod-nvidia-5.0.7-200.fc29 could be a problem.
it seems 5.0.7-200 is the last released F29 kernel:
https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/?packages=kernel

to be save save the above output in a file, remove the above packages and play 
with your application if they are still running.
If not reinstall the needed packages.

maybe java could be the case if you are running java programs which need old 
java. 
install the old java packages and reconfigure your java with "alternatives 
--config java"

*I* usually do after an upgrade:
sudo dnf autoremove
sudo dnf distrosync

handle with care !

Q.'s: 
what does "@@commandline" mean ? 
kmod-nvidia installed by hand ?
is rpmfusion on your box enabled ?

https://rpmfusion.org/Configuration
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Problems with plank settings app

[Frank McCormick]

In installed the dock plank on my Fedora 29 installation this morning, 
then found


a python-based plank settings app.

However it does not work with Fedora's version of plank (0.11.4).

The settings app gives this error:


(planksetting.py:6935): GLib-GIO-ERROR **: 12:41:28.299: Settings schema 
'net.launchpad.plank.dock.settings' does not contain a key named 
'zoom-enabled'
/usr/bin/planksetting14: line 1:  6935 Trace/breakpoint trap (core 
dumped) python3 /usr/share/planksetting/planksetting.py



I suspect it's related to Apples threat to Plank developers over use of 
the icon zoom property


which the fruit company has apparently patented ?? Plank is reported to 
have removed the zoom option,


Is there a work around? I don't particularly care about the zoom 
function eye-candy but


it would be nice to be able to use the settings app.


Thanks

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Re: why dnf wants to reinstall to same version ?

[sean darcy]

On 4/19/19 1:39 PM, Phil Wyett wrote:

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

On Fri, 2019-04-19 at 13:09 -0400, sean darcy wrote:

FC29. I have a server for video encoding. I use x264, which I keep
updated to the most recent git packaaged in an rpm.

rpm -q x264-libs
x264-libs-0.157-0.20190331.fc29.x86_64

I then rebuild all the packages that depend on x264, including
avidemux-libs. I just rebuild on my machine, without chaging the
version, since the version hasn't changed, it's just linked to the new
x264 version.

rpm -q avidemux-libs
avidemux-libs-2.7.3-1.fc29.x86_64

But dnf want to replace my rebuild version, with the version for the repo:

dnf upgrade --refresh
..
Problem 1: package avidemux-libs-2.7.3-1.fc29.x86_64 requires
libx264.so.155()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
- cannot install both
x264-libs-0.155-2.20180806git0a84d98.fc29.x86_64 and
x264-libs-0.157-0.20190331.fc29.x86_64

I don't want to bump the avidemux-libs version, since I want to know
when a new one is available. I don't want to keep adding "-x avidemux.."

Why does dnf want to replace the installed package ? How does it even
know it's not the same package as the repo ?

sean



Hi,

You do need to bump in some way. You can...

Original: avidemux-libs-2.7.3-1

Your rebuild: avidemux-libs-2.7.3-1.1

Any new version from repo i.e. will be -2 or above and update as normal if/when
released.

Regards

Phil



Good idea, and it worked, thanks.

sean
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Re: Modem/Router/Router -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 04/20/19 10:19, Tim via users wrote:

On Sat, 2019-04-20 at 09:40 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:

Ok, I can accept that based on you greater knowledge, but what's in
a name? I want to connect a wide area network to a local area network
but a network bridge wont work? The procedure for doing it was well
written and quite clear so I thought I would try that.

I guess you are saying that I should use NAT? I will continue
googling for a procedure for doing that,

Going from prior messages, your current system is thus:


satellite > ISP supplied > your own  ---+->  the
receiverhorrible   preferred|rest
 modem & router router   +>   of
 doing NAT  also doing NAT   |your
 +--->LAN
Yes that is essentially it, the radio "receiver" is actually a 
transceiver providing two way communication ...

With the ISP-supplied modem router being unwanted and not very useful
to you.

While that kind of networking setup *can* work, it can be a nuisance in
various ways.

.
And it does work well enough, would be good enough for a cable system 
where usage was not closely regulated but when I exceed 60GB they can 
reduce the quality of my connection. I never know what the date rate of 
usage is until I bring up their web page, wait for it to update and dump 
a bunch of unwarranted stuff to get a usage number that they claim may 
take 24 hours to update.

If you could put the ISP supplied thingummy into bridge mode, it would
act simply as a modem, giving a bare ethernet output to your own
router.  In essence you're bypassing its in-built router section.
However, it doesn't appear to give you the choice.

.
I have found nothing in the settings indicating that option is 
available. NetworkManager shows two connection options, Ethernet (eno1)  
virbr0, I have it running at the eno1 and a fixed ipaddress on this 
computer, that works, the other never did where it would like to be 
192.168 .122.1. My router does not normally work with that subnet?

One possible option could be:  Can you buy the same model modem/router
from somewhere else, or a suitable equivalent and swap it over?  Your
own (replacement) device would be user-configurable.


the same modem-router is available as new it appears on eBay. I assume 
it would not have any other features ...

I don't think you've told us exactly what device your ISP supplied
(i.e. brand and model), so that anybody could advise you on it.  Nor
have you answered queries about what numerical IP addresses are being
used (both with their routing equipment, and your own).

.
It is labeled Viasat and model RG1100, the manual is barely adequate, 
written in several languages interspersed by paragraph, annoying but I 
read through it several times to glean what I could from it.

Considering your first post mentions that the replacement lacks the
data management options you need, and you've already prematurely used
up a large portion of your data allowance.  It may be worth contacting
your ISP and forthrightly mentioning that the replacement model is
inadequate for your needs, mentioning those two particular problems.
They may have an alternative, or may be able to put it into bridge mode
for you.

.
I have phoned the ISP numerous times, each call is an adventure, all I 
get is gibberish in very hard to understand English. I was married to a 
French woman for 45 years ad do not require perfect spoken English but 
in too many cases support is a joke in my opinion.


--
Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD
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Re: Modem/Router/Router -

[Tim via users]

On Sat, 2019-04-20 at 09:40 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> Ok, I can accept that based on you greater knowledge, but what's in
> a name? I want to connect a wide area network to a local area network
> but a network bridge wont work? The procedure for doing it was well
> written and quite clear so I thought I would try that.
> 
> I guess you are saying that I should use NAT? I will continue
> googling for a procedure for doing that,

Going from prior messages, your current system is thus:


satellite > ISP supplied > your own  ---+->  the
receiverhorrible   preferred|rest
modem & router router   +>   of
doing NAT  also doing NAT   |your
+--->LAN

With the ISP-supplied modem router being unwanted and not very useful
to you.

While that kind of networking setup *can* work, it can be a nuisance in
various ways.

If you could put the ISP supplied thingummy into bridge mode, it would
act simply as a modem, giving a bare ethernet output to your own
router.  In essence you're bypassing its in-built router section. 
However, it doesn't appear to give you the choice.

One possible option could be:  Can you buy the same model modem/router
from somewhere else, or a suitable equivalent and swap it over?  Your
own (replacement) device would be user-configurable.

I don't think you've told us exactly what device your ISP supplied
(i.e. brand and model), so that anybody could advise you on it.  Nor
have you answered queries about what numerical IP addresses are being
used (both with their routing equipment, and your own).

Considering your first post mentions that the replacement lacks the
data management options you need, and you've already prematurely used
up a large portion of your data allowance.  It may be worth contacting
your ISP and forthrightly mentioning that the replacement model is
inadequate for your needs, mentioning those two particular problems. 
They may have an alternative, or may be able to put it into bridge mode
for you.

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Re: Modem/Router/Router -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 04/19/19 21:04, Samuel Sieb wrote:


That's not what you want.  I don't know why you're trying to make a 
network bridge on your computer.

.
Ok, I can accept that based on you greater knowledge, but what's in a 
name? I want to connect a wide area network to a local area network but 
a network bridge wont work? The procedure for doing it was well written 
and quite clear so I thought I would try that.


I guess you are saying that I should use NAT? I will continue googling 
for a procedure for doing that,


Thanks,

Bob


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Re: x11 and the mouse

[Ed Greshko]

On 4/20/19 2:56 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> On 4/19/19 11:13 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
>> On 4/19/19 6:22 PM, Roger Heflin wrote:
>>> It definitely works:
>>
>> How do I check what the default acceleration is set to?
>
> right under my nose:
>
> $ xinput --list-props 15 | grep -i "Accel Speed (" | awk '{print $5}'
> 1.00
>

That isn't the "default" that you're asking about.

You want "Accel Speed Default", yes?


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Re: x11 and the mouse

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 4/19/19 11:13 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 4/19/19 6:22 PM, Roger Heflin wrote:

It definitely works:


How do I check what the default acceleration is set to?


right under my nose:

$ xinput --list-props 15 | grep -i "Accel Speed (" | awk '{print $5}'
1.00

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Re: x11 and the mouse

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 4/19/19 6:22 PM, Roger Heflin wrote:

It definitely works:


How do I check what the default acceleration is set to?
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