booting problem

[doug . lindquist]

I recently tried to install Centos 8 on my 3tb uefi hd that already had 
Fedora 32 and Windows 10 on it.  The Centos installation did not finish 
because it could install the boot loader.  It ended up screwing up the uefi 
boot because it will no longer boot to anything.  It looks like the bios 
reset  to non uefi boot only.  My mb is Gigabyte B450 Auros with 64gb mem.


'
Doug Lindquist
oug.lindqu...@atlanticbb.net

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Re: Multiboot question

[Tim via users]

On Wed, 2020-06-03 at 00:11 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> Please remember to quote context when replying on HyperKitty,
> otherwise your message cannot be understood without firing up a web
> browser.

Or a threading email client...

While I prefer proper quoting, I'd rather have none than the unedited
full-quoting gumph that some people do.
 
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Re: Multiboot question

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2020-06-02 at 23:03 +, Steven Usdansky via users wrote:
> Not the answer I was hoping for, but it's a question I've wanted to ask for a 
> while. Thanks for confirming my worst fears  鸞

Please remember to quote context when replying on HyperKitty, otherwise
your message cannot be understood without firing up a web browser.

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Re: Multiboot question

[Steven Usdansky via users]

Not the answer I was hoping for, but it's a question I've wanted to ask for a 
while. Thanks for confirming my worst fears  鸞
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Re: Mount options for mostly-offline drives

[Cameron Simpson]

On 02Jun2020 10:57, Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:

I have a powered USB dock with a couple of SATA drives configured as
RAID1, and used only for nightly backups. The (minimal) manual for the
dock tells me it will power down after 30 minutes idle time, however I
don't see this happening. I presume that something (such as the md
system) is touching the drives periodically.

What is the fstab option to have the drives mounted only when accessed?
This used to be automount (or autofs) but with systemd getting its
fingers into everything I know longer know how to do this.

Can the drive be automatically unmounted if not in use? I presume this
would stop md from trying to check it and hence prevent the dock from
keeping it powered on.


My own solution, here and at a client, is to have the backup script do 
the mount and umount. This has the advantage that the backups aren't 
even available for mangling the rest of the time. A script like this:


   if mount /the/backup/volume
   then
 ... run the backup ...
 umount /the/backup/volume
   fi

works nicely. The md stuff should, I expect, leave things alone except 
for the weekly(?) rescan.


It also means that if you know the backup's over you can freely unplug 
them (eg put them on a shelf or in a drawer, or send one set off site).


Cheers,
Cameron Simpson 
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Re: Mount options for mostly-offline drives

[Ed Greshko]

On 2020-06-02 23:38, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Tue, 2020-06-02 at 10:17 -0500, Roger Heflin wrote:
>> you might want to
>>
>> run a lsof and see if anything has open files on it, and if nothing
>>
>> has open files on it, then it may something monitoring say space.
> $ sudo lsof /raid
> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfsd-fuse file system /run/user/1000/gvfs
>   Output information may be incomplete.
> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.portal file system /run/user/1000/doc
>   Output information may be incomplete.
>
> Not sure why I'm getting gvfs errors. I do seem to be running some GVFS
> stuff for some reason (my desktop is KDE though I do have some GTK
> programs such as Firefox):
>
> $ pgrep -fl gvfs
> 2364 gvfsd
> 2372 gvfsd-fuse
> 2656 gvfsd-metadata
> 3509 gvfs-udisks2-vo
> 3528 gvfs-goa-volume
> 3548 gvfs-mtp-volume
> 3561 gvfs-gphoto2-vo
> 3574 gvfs-afc-volume
>
> Possibly the '...-volume' stuff is touching the disks, but there are no
> man pages for most of these things.

Those are "user units".

Since you're running KDE you can bring up System Settings and scroll down to 
systemd and find the units
in the user tab and stop them.  Then see if that makes a difference.


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Re: Mount options for mostly-offline drives

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2020-06-02 at 11:51 -0500, Roger Heflin wrote:
> I have not dug too far into those tools, but the machine I have a
> 
> desktop running on does give me messages about low free disk space, so
> 
> something in the gui side of things is doing the call that df uses to
> 
> get data.   df will spin things up, and if it samples often enough
> 
> would prevent it from being idle.

Just for the hell of it I logged out of KDE, verified that no GVFS
processes were running, and repeated the test from a console. It made
no difference.

poc
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Re: Mount options for mostly-offline drives

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2020-06-02 at 10:45 -0600, Greg Woods wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 9:27 AM Patrick O'Callaghan 
> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > (the only change is in the last two fields, where you had 1 1 rather
> > than my 0 0, but it made no difference, not that I thought it would). I
> > also did the daemon-reload thing just in case.
> > 
> 
> I have found that if you change an fstab entry, after doing "systemctl
> daemon-reload", you also may need to restart the automount service to get
> the changes to take, e.g. "systemctl restart raid.automount". Whether this
> is necessary may well depend on exactly which parameters you specify in
> your fstab entry, but I have certainly seen cases where this is necessary.

That gives me:

$ sudo systemctl restart raid.automount
Job failed. See "journalctl -xe" for details.

and journalctl is not enlightening:

-- Subject: A start job for unit raid.automount has failed
-- Defined-By: systemd
-- Support: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
-- 
-- A start job for unit raid.automount has finished with a failure.
-- 
-- The job identifier is 9170 and the job result is failed.

No idea what this means. Saying "it failed" three times is no
substitute for an actual error message.

poc
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Re: installation of F32 onto a ext. disk with 3 partitions

[Joerg Lechner via users]

Hi Stan,I tried a "full" installation from an USB medium produced with Fedora 
Mediawriter. There are 250GB space to use on the wanted partition, where 
currently F31 is installed. I want to replace F31 by F32, there was no way to 
use custom installation. Automatic installation was preselected and could not 
change this. I used the same installation way I had used to install 
F29,F30,F31. Somethimg is wrong. If this behaviour is not wanted, it may be a 
bug, Did anyone else try to install F32 on a disk with more partitions?Kind 
regards
 
 
-Ursprüngliche Mitteilung-
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An: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Cc: Joerg Lechner ; stan 
Verschickt: Di, 2. Jun. 2020 17:42
Betreff: Re: installation of F32 onto a ext. disk with 3 partitions

On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 11:25:48 + (UTC)
Joerg Lechner via users  wrote:

> Hi,I tried to install F32 on one partition of an external disk with 3
> partitions. I could not choose the partition I wanted, there was no
> choice, which I have had in F31 and previously. Is the only way to
> overwrite F31 in a 3 partitions disk an uograde F31 -> F32?Kind

I haven't installed F32, but there was no mention of doing away with
custom partitioning.  Was this a live image or the full install using
anaconda?  If live, was the image too large for the partition you
wanted to use?  If anaconda, was there no way to select 'custom
installation' in the menu when you reached the hub and spoke and
selected the disk branch?
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Re: build package

[Michael Schwendt]

On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 20:08:16 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:

> Can I simulatenously install GSL 2.5 and 2.6?
> 
> or remove GSL 2.6 and intall GSL 2.5?
> 

The library SONAME has changed from libgsl.so.23 to libgsl.so.25, but
libgslcblas.so.0 hasn't changed, and the Fedora packages would conflict
anyway because they include executables and other files. Therefore you
cannot simply install the old Fedora packages of gsl-2.4 and gsl-2.6
in parallel.

Depending on your usage scenario, you could compile GSL 2.4 yourself
and install it into a private path, then build other stuff (like Perl
modules) against it and override $LD_LIBRARY_PATH whenever you want the
runtime linker to find the old GSL libs.
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Re: Aplay problem -

[stan via users]

On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 14:06:41 -0400
Bob Goodwin  wrote:

> The essential ones are OO and up to the red, "L{NE" was muted I set
> to MM and turned the level up, that does not restore the sound though.
> 

I'm stumped.  Everything says you should have sound from aplay.

aplay is producing sound.
It's sending it to default, which is sound device 0.
Sound device 0 has output enabled, and volumes turned up.
Other sound plays through default and pulseaudio.

A long shot.  Check in pavucontrol whether the default device in
pulseaudio is set to be device 0, the analog card, and that it is
enabled. If that is true, I'm out of ideas.  Everything says you should
have sound.
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Re: build package

[Patrick Dupre]

Can I simulatenously install GSL 2.5 and 2.6?

or remove GSL 2.6 and intall GSL 2.5?
 

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Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2020 at 8:04 PM
From: "Patrick Dupre" 
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Cc: "Community support for Fedora users" 
Subject: Re: build package



Yes,

 

This is annoying,

I tried to see, if I could fix it, but I could not, there are differences between gsl2.5 and gsl2.6

 

This block the deployment of my applications.

 

This a bit systematic, when I move to upgraded version, I always have to face

similar issues.

perl-Math-GSL is a key package for me.

 

Actually, I also cannot compile perl-PDL-Graphics-PLplot

 

 

 

 
 

Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2020 at 6:09 PM
From: "George N. White III" 
To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
Subject: Re: build package



On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 at 07:36, Patrick Dupre  wrote:


Hello,

I am rebuilding the perl packages that I need.
perl-Math-GSL-0.40.tar.gz


rpmbuild -bb perl-Math-GSL.spec

gives an error:
Checking for GSL using gsl-config
Found GSL 2.6 (via gsl-config) installed in /usr
Checking if gcc supports "-Wall"...yes
Checking if gcc supports "-Wno-sometimes-uninitialized"...yes
Checking if gcc supports "-Wno-unused-function"...yes
Checking if gcc supports "-Wno-unused-value"...yes
Checking if gcc supports "-Wno-unused-function"...yes
Checking if gcc supports "-Wno-unused-variable"...yes
Checking if gcc supports "-Wno-gnu"...yes
Checking if gcc supports "-g"...yes
unsupported version: 2.6 at Build.PL line 77.
error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.I4k1Cb (%build)

 

https://github.com/leto/math--gsl/issues/176 is a request for

GSL 2.6 support from last month.

 

 


Checking on the Build.PL file;
it seems to be due to

my $ver2func = Ver2Func->new( $gsl_conf->{gsl_version} );


The same version of perl-Math-GSL compiled fine with fc30.
(same version of cpanspec)
Now the gsl version is 2.6 (2.4 before)

Do I need to recompile gsl ?

 

Until upstream finishes making the necessary changes you are stuck using an old gsl.

You might consider helping (testing, documenting) with the changes.  I use Fedora

precisely so I can discover and work on issues like this for the software I use. 

 

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Re: Aplay problem -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 2020-06-02 12:51, stan via users wrote: ^

The vvv is important, because it provides more information, including an
output profile over time, a rough vu meter.  That is, it will show if
aplay is actually sending output to the device.

[bobg@Workstation-1 ~]$ aplay -vvv apps/audio/login.wav
Playing WAVE 'apps/audio/login.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 
22050 Hz, Stereo

ALSA <-> PulseAudio PCM I/O Plugin
Its setup is:
  stream   : PLAYBACK
  access   : RW_INTERLEAVED
  format   : S16_LE
  subformat    : STD
  channels : 2
  rate : 22050
  exact rate   : 22050 (22050/1)
  msbits   : 16
  buffer_size  : 11025
  period_size  : 2756
  period_time  : 125000
  tstamp_mode  : NONE
  tstamp_type  : GETTIMEOFDAY
  period_step  : 1
  avail_min    : 2756
  period_event : 0
  start_threshold  : 11025
  stop_threshold   : 11025
  silence_threshold: 0
  silence_size : 0
  boundary : 6206523236469964800
Max peak (5512 samples): 0x2334 ##   27%
Max peak (5512 samples): 0x1b62 #    21%
Max peak (5512 samples): 0x2e56  36%
Max peak (5512 samples): 0x24c0 ##   28%
Max peak (5512 samples): 0x3016  37%
Max peak (5512 samples): 0x2bb5 ###  34%
Max peak (5512 samples): 0x27c9 ###  31%
Max peak (5512 samples): 0x1ab4 #    20%
Max peak (5512 samples): 0x1459  15%
Max peak (5512 samples): 0x0ab9 ##   8%
Max peak (5512 samples): 0x04ac #    3%
Max peak (5512 samples): 0x03a1 #    2%
Max peak (5512 samples): 0x019d #    1%
Max peak (5512 samples): 0x00e1 #    0%
Max peak (5512 samples): 0x00ab #    0%
Max peak (5512 samples): 0x0054 #    0%
Max peak (5512 samples): 0x001c #    0%
Max peak (5512 samples): 0x0006 #    0%

hat's itnteresting in that when I feed aplay a tone, only happens in 
this computer, the volume begins low and increasesover a second or two, 
very noticable but not a problem I was bothered by.



aplay --dump-hw-params [wav file]

[bobg@Workstation-1 ~]$ aplay --dump-hw-params apps/audio/login.wav
Playing WAVE 'apps/audio/login.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian,
Rate 22050 Hz, Stereo
HW Params of device "default":

And the output is being processed through the default device, which is
the link between alsa and pulseaudio.
Yes I keep seeing that, looks like the connection between aplay and 
Polseaudio is open ...


Can you check in pavucontrol that the default device is actually your
device 0, the analog sound device?  Or just do a
cat /etc/alsa/alsactl.conf

°
[bobg@Workstation-1 ~]$ cat /etc/alsa/alsactl.conf
#
# ALSA library configuration file for alsactl tool
# (/usr/share/alsa tree is not necessary for alsactl)
#

ctl.hw {
    @args [ CARD ]
    @args.CARD {
        type string
        default "0"
    }
    type hw
    card $CARD


Everything says sound should be playing.

If you do
alsamixer -c0
are Master and Front showing 00?  Is the volume in the bar above 80%?
The essential ones are OO and up to the red, "L{NE" was muted I set to 
MM and turned the level up, that does not restore the sound though.


Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA

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Re: build package

[Patrick Dupre]

Yes,

 

This is annoying,

I tried to see, if I could fix it, but I could not, there are differences between gsl2.5 and gsl2.6

 

This block the deployment of my applications.

 

This a bit systematic, when I move to upgraded version, I always have to face

similar issues.

perl-Math-GSL is a key package for me.

 

Actually, I also cannot compile perl-PDL-Graphics-PLplot

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2020 at 6:09 PM
From: "George N. White III" 
To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
Subject: Re: build package



On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 at 07:36, Patrick Dupre  wrote:


Hello,

I am rebuilding the perl packages that I need.
perl-Math-GSL-0.40.tar.gz


rpmbuild -bb perl-Math-GSL.spec

gives an error:
Checking for GSL using gsl-config
Found GSL 2.6 (via gsl-config) installed in /usr
Checking if gcc supports "-Wall"...yes
Checking if gcc supports "-Wno-sometimes-uninitialized"...yes
Checking if gcc supports "-Wno-unused-function"...yes
Checking if gcc supports "-Wno-unused-value"...yes
Checking if gcc supports "-Wno-unused-function"...yes
Checking if gcc supports "-Wno-unused-variable"...yes
Checking if gcc supports "-Wno-gnu"...yes
Checking if gcc supports "-g"...yes
unsupported version: 2.6 at Build.PL line 77.
error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.I4k1Cb (%build)

 

https://github.com/leto/math--gsl/issues/176 is a request for

GSL 2.6 support from last month.

 

 


Checking on the Build.PL file;
it seems to be due to

my $ver2func = Ver2Func->new( $gsl_conf->{gsl_version} );


The same version of perl-Math-GSL compiled fine with fc30.
(same version of cpanspec)
Now the gsl version is 2.6 (2.4 before)

Do I need to recompile gsl ?

 

Until upstream finishes making the necessary changes you are stuck using an old gsl.

You might consider helping (testing, documenting) with the changes.  I use Fedora

precisely so I can discover and work on issues like this for the software I use. 

 

--



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Re: boot/grub

[Samuel Sieb]

On 6/2/20 2:31 AM, Stephen Morris wrote:

On 2/6/20 10:38 am, Samuel Sieb wrote:
I don't know the all the specific details, but this entry describes 
how to load the grub bootloader to start Fedora:
"HD(1,GPT,5a166b43-c099-429b-9587-4cc29389e1cf,0x800,0x12c000)" 
identifies the hard drive and EFI partition to use.
"File(\EFI\fedora\shimx64.efi)" gives the path to the executable file 
on that partition to load and run.
I understand this is the entry that is being booted from, but I don't 
understand why it is that entry rather than boot0003, which looks to be 
the vm disk partition, when I am running fedora within a vm. I don't 
understand how this relates to the segmented disk image that virtualbox 
is using for fedora, as it is not a physical partition as far as I am 
aware. Virtualbox may make it look like a partition but I'm not up on 
the internal workings of virtualbox.


Boot0003* UEFI VBOX HARDDISK VB86498f1a-4c6a0da4 
PciRoot(0x0)/Pci(0xd,0x0)/Sata(0,65535,0)N.YMR,Y.


That is the usual UEFI fallback entry to look for an EFI partition on 
the disk and try to load the default boot loader file which I believe is 
"/EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI".  On a Fedora install, it will create that file 
as well, but if you boot it you will see a message about fixing the boot 
entry because it assumes the Fedora entry didn't work.

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Re: Prevent locking screen

[Beartooth]

On Mon, 01 Jun 2020 06:29:47 +, Andre Robatino wrote:

> In GNOME, Settings/Privacy/Screen Lock/Automatic Screen Lock -> Off.
> (You can still lock it manually if needed.)

I didn't find that in Mate, but I did find the power settings in 
the control panel, and changed that. Thanks, Tom!
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Re: Aplay problem -

[stan via users]

On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 12:29:38 -0400
Bob Goodwin  wrote:

> On 2020-06-02 11:54, stan via users wrote:
> > Try
> > aplay -vvv [wav file]  
> 
> > [bobg@Workstation-1 ~]$ aplay -v apps/audio/login.wav
   ^
The vvv is important, because it provides more information, including an
output profile over time, a rough vu meter.  That is, it will show if
aplay is actually sending output to the device.

> > aplay --dump-hw-params [wav file]  
> [bobg@Workstation-1 ~]$ aplay --dump-hw-params apps/audio/login.wav
> Playing WAVE 'apps/audio/login.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian,
> Rate 22050 Hz, Stereo
> HW Params of device "default":

And the output is being processed through the default device, which is
the link between alsa and pulseaudio.

Can you check in pavucontrol that the default device is actually your
device 0, the analog sound device?  Or just do a
cat /etc/alsa/alsactl.conf

Everything says sound should be playing.

If you do
alsamixer -c0
are Master and Front showing 00?  Is the volume in the bar above 80%?

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Re: Mount options for mostly-offline drives

[Roger Heflin]

I have not dug too far into those tools, but the machine I have a
desktop running on does give me messages about low free disk space, so
something in the gui side of things is doing the call that df uses to
get data.   df will spin things up, and if it samples often enough
would prevent it from being idle.

And yes, as you said there don't appear to be man pages for any of
them.  I have strace'd a few of the processes but so far not found
what is doing the checking.  I may not be leaving the strace running
for long enough to catch it.

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 10:39 AM Patrick O'Callaghan
 wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2020-06-02 at 10:17 -0500, Roger Heflin wrote:
> > you might want to
> >
> > run a lsof and see if anything has open files on it, and if nothing
> >
> > has open files on it, then it may something monitoring say space.
>
> $ sudo lsof /raid
> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfsd-fuse file system /run/user/1000/gvfs
>   Output information may be incomplete.
> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.portal file system /run/user/1000/doc
>   Output information may be incomplete.
>
> Not sure why I'm getting gvfs errors. I do seem to be running some GVFS
> stuff for some reason (my desktop is KDE though I do have some GTK
> programs such as Firefox):
>
> $ pgrep -fl gvfs
> 2364 gvfsd
> 2372 gvfsd-fuse
> 2656 gvfsd-metadata
> 3509 gvfs-udisks2-vo
> 3528 gvfs-goa-volume
> 3548 gvfs-mtp-volume
> 3561 gvfs-gphoto2-vo
> 3574 gvfs-afc-volume
>
> Possibly the '...-volume' stuff is touching the disks, but there are no
> man pages for most of these things.
>
> poc
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Re: Mount options for mostly-offline drives

[Greg Woods]

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 9:27 AM Patrick O'Callaghan 
wrote:

>
>
> (the only change is in the last two fields, where you had 1 1 rather
> than my 0 0, but it made no difference, not that I thought it would). I
> also did the daemon-reload thing just in case.
>

I have found that if you change an fstab entry, after doing "systemctl
daemon-reload", you also may need to restart the automount service to get
the changes to take, e.g. "systemctl restart raid.automount". Whether this
is necessary may well depend on exactly which parameters you specify in
your fstab entry, but I have certainly seen cases where this is necessary.

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Re: Aplay problem -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 2020-06-02 11:54, stan via users wrote:

Try
aplay -vvv [wav file]



[bobg@Workstation-1 ~]$ aplay -v apps/audio/login.wav
Playing WAVE 'apps/audio/login.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 22050 
Hz, Stereo
ALSA <-> PulseAudio PCM I/O Plugin
Its setup is:
   stream   : PLAYBACK
   access   : RW_INTERLEAVED
   format   : S16_LE
   subformat: STD
   channels : 2
   rate : 22050
   exact rate   : 22050 (22050/1)
   msbits   : 16
   buffer_size  : 11025
   period_size  : 2756
   period_time  : 125000
   tstamp_mode  : NONE
   tstamp_type  : GETTIMEOFDAY
   period_step  : 1
   avail_min: 2756
   period_event : 0
   start_threshold  : 11025
   stop_threshold   : 11025
   silence_threshold: 0
   silence_size : 0
   boundary : 6206523236469964800

or
aplay --dump-hw-params [wav file]

[bobg@Workstation-1 ~]$ aplay --dump-hw-params apps/audio/login.wav
Playing WAVE 'apps/audio/login.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 
22050 Hz, Stereo

HW Params of device "default":

ACCESS:  RW_INTERLEAVED
FORMAT:  U8 S16_LE S16_BE S24_LE S24_BE S32_LE S32_BE FLOAT_LE FLOAT_BE 
MU_LAW A_LAW S24_3LE S24_3BE

SUBFORMAT:  STD
SAMPLE_BITS: [8 32]
FRAME_BITS: [8 1024]
CHANNELS: [1 32]
RATE: [1 384000]
PERIOD_TIME: (2 4294967295)
PERIOD_SIZE: [1 1398102)
PERIOD_BYTES: [128 1398102)
PERIODS: [3 1024]
BUFFER_TIME: (7 4294967295]
BUFFER_SIZE: [3 4194304]
BUFFER_BYTES: [384 4194304]
TICK_TIME: ALL


What does
aplay -l
show?

[bobg@Workstation-1 ~]$ aplay -l
 List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: ALC887-VD Analog [ALC887-VD Analog]
  Subdevices: 0/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 7: HDMI 1 [HDMI 1]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 8: HDMI 2 [HDMI 2]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 9: HDMI 3 [HDMI 3]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 10: HDMI 4 [HDMI 4]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0


See
man aplay
for explanations.
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Re: build package

[George N. White III]

On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 at 07:36, Patrick Dupre  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am rebuilding the perl packages that I need.
> perl-Math-GSL-0.40.tar.gz
>
>
> rpmbuild -bb perl-Math-GSL.spec
>
> gives an error:
> Checking for GSL using gsl-config
> Found GSL 2.6 (via gsl-config) installed in /usr
> Checking if gcc supports "-Wall"...yes
> Checking if gcc supports "-Wno-sometimes-uninitialized"...yes
> Checking if gcc supports "-Wno-unused-function"...yes
> Checking if gcc supports "-Wno-unused-value"...yes
> Checking if gcc supports "-Wno-unused-function"...yes
> Checking if gcc supports "-Wno-unused-variable"...yes
> Checking if gcc supports "-Wno-gnu"...yes
> Checking if gcc supports "-g"...yes
> unsupported version: 2.6 at Build.PL line 77.
> error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.I4k1Cb (%build)
>

https://github.com/leto/math--gsl/issues/176 is a request for
GSL 2.6 support from last month.



>
> Checking on the Build.PL file;
> it seems to be due to
>
> my $ver2func = Ver2Func->new( $gsl_conf->{gsl_version} );
>
>
> The same version of perl-Math-GSL compiled fine with fc30.
> (same version of cpanspec)
> Now the gsl version is 2.6 (2.4 before)
>
> Do I need to recompile gsl ?
>

Until upstream finishes making the necessary changes you are stuck using an
old gsl.
You might consider helping (testing, documenting) with the changes.  I use
Fedora
precisely so I can discover and work on issues like this for the software I
use.

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Re: Aplay problem -

[stan via users]

On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 10:57:00 -0400
Bob Goodwin  wrote:

> On 2020-06-01 06:45, Bob Goodwin wrote:

> Well, I still have this annoying problem but after my effort
> yesterday it appears there was a few errors in my description.
> 
> The Thunderbird notification does not use aplay, it just gets the
> file and path: "file:///home/bobg/apps/audio/login.wav"
> And when J aplay that same file PSvolume does not show the metering
> bar, it is only showing in text that it is "Playing .wav" on the
> "Playback" input and the same text on the "Output Devices" sound
> while nothing is heard from the loudspeaker.
> 
> So it seems that aplay has simply stopped producing output. Other
> audio sources still work as expected e.g. Thunderbird and VLC both
> produce sound. Aplay from a terminal does not.
> 
> I tried "# dnf reinstall /usr/bin/aplay" and it installed
> "alsa-utils" which presumably contains aplay, that made no
> improvement.
> 
> I am still open to suggestions,   Bob

Try 
aplay -vvv [wav file]
or
aplay --dump-hw-params [wav file]

What does 
aplay -l 
show?

See 
man aplay 
for explanations.
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Re: installation of F32 onto a ext. disk with 3 partitions

[stan via users]

On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 11:25:48 + (UTC)
Joerg Lechner via users  wrote:

> Hi,I tried to install F32 on one partition of an external disk with 3
> partitions. I could not choose the partition I wanted, there was no
> choice, which I have had in F31 and previously. Is the only way to
> overwrite F31 in a 3 partitions disk an uograde F31 -> F32?Kind

I haven't installed F32, but there was no mention of doing away with
custom partitioning.  Was this a live image or the full install using
anaconda?  If live, was the image too large for the partition you
wanted to use?  If anaconda, was there no way to select 'custom
installation' in the menu when you reached the hub and spoke and
selected the disk branch?
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Re: Mount options for mostly-offline drives

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2020-06-02 at 10:17 -0500, Roger Heflin wrote:
> you might want to
> 
> run a lsof and see if anything has open files on it, and if nothing
> 
> has open files on it, then it may something monitoring say space.

$ sudo lsof /raid
lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfsd-fuse file system /run/user/1000/gvfs
  Output information may be incomplete.
lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.portal file system /run/user/1000/doc
  Output information may be incomplete.

Not sure why I'm getting gvfs errors. I do seem to be running some GVFS
stuff for some reason (my desktop is KDE though I do have some GTK
programs such as Firefox):

$ pgrep -fl gvfs
2364 gvfsd
2372 gvfsd-fuse
2656 gvfsd-metadata
3509 gvfs-udisks2-vo
3528 gvfs-goa-volume
3548 gvfs-mtp-volume
3561 gvfs-gphoto2-vo
3574 gvfs-afc-volume

Possibly the '...-volume' stuff is touching the disks, but there are no
man pages for most of these things.

poc
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Re: Multiboot question

[stan via users]

On Tue, 02 Jun 2020 11:15:37 -
Steven Usdansky via users  wrote:

> I have two bootable disks, and SSD with F32 (and Win 10), and a HDD
> with F31 and a few other distros. Each disk has its own EFI
> partition. F32 mounts the SSD's EFI partition at /boot/efi; F31
> mounts the HDD's EFI partition at /boot/efi. Both Fedoras have the
> appropriate entries in their respective /boot/loader/entries
> directories, and in both cases, GRUB_ENABLE_BLSCFG is set to true. 
> 
> If I update the F31 kernel, then boot off the SSD, I am not offered
> the option of booting F31 with the new kernel unless I regenerate the
> SSD's boot/efi/EFI/fedora/grub.cfg. What I want is for the SSD's
> bootloader to automatically offer me the option of booting any kernel
> configured in the F31's /boot/loader/entries, rather than offering me
> only the options in its own /boot/efi/EFI/fedora/grub.cfg.
> 
> Is this even possible?

From my understanding, no, it is a restriction of efi.  Your manual
workaround is the only way to get what you want using grub2 as your
bootloader. If you switch to systemd-boot, my understanding is that this
would be possible, but requires significant changes to the boot process.

I considered going to systemd-boot, but decided it was to much work
for no real gain, so will stick with grub2.  I also didn't like how
it seems to put more on the vfat filesystem; I would rather use
native linux filesystems as much as possible.  When I install my second
fedora uefi system, I will also give it its own /boot/efi partition,
like you have. But, when I want to boot the other version, I will use
the boot menu that the efi firmware provides to select the other
/boot/efi I want to use, the one for that version. Another workaround
that will work for me because I will only rarely boot into the older
Fedora.  I keep it around for troubleshooting the current version if
something goes wrong. It is known to work, has all the software I want,
and is familiar, so easier than booting a rescue version.
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Fw: gnome-system-monitor with IO?

[Bob Marcan]

> Not gui, but ...
> 
> Name : atop
> Version  : 2.5.0
> Release  : 2.fc32  

The right URL is https://www.atoptool.nl/

The maintaner should update this.

BR, Bob
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Re: Mount options for mostly-offline drives

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2020-06-02 at 20:24 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 2020-06-02 20:07, Ed Greshko wrote:
> > On 2020-06-02 19:29, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > Doesn't seem to do anything. I've tested with this line in /etc/fstab:
> > > 
> > > UUID=6cb66da2-147a-4f3c-a513-36f6164ab581  /raid   ext4
> > > rw,x-systemd.automount,x-systemd.device-timeout=1,x-systemd.idle-timeout=60
> > >  0 0
> > > 
> > > followed by 'mount -a' (using a 60-second timeout for testing) but it's
> > > not unmounting. I also ran 'journalctl -f' but it doesn't show
> > > anything.
> > It works fine for non USB connected file systems.
> > 
> > [egreshko@f31k ~]$ grep raid /etc/fstab
> > /dev/md0/raid   ext4
> > rw,x-systemd.automount,x-systemd.device-timeout=1,x-systemd.idle-timeout=60 
> >   1 1
> > 
> > [egreshko@f31k ~]$ date ; df --exclude-type=tmpfs --exclude-type=devtmpfs ; 
> > ls /raid ; df --exclude-type=tmpfs --exclude-type=devtmpfs ; sleep 65 ; 
> > date ; df --exclude-type=tmpfs --exclude-type=devtmpfs
> > 
> [...]

> Oh, and journal should these (abbreviated output)
> 
> Jun 02 20:05:08 f31k.greshko.com systemd[1]: raid.automount: Got automount 
> request for /raid, triggered by 1308 (ls)
> Jun 02 20:05:08 f31k.greshko.com systemd[1]: Mounting /raid...
> Jun 02 20:05:08 f31k.greshko.com systemd[1]: Mounted /raid.
> Jun 02 20:06:09 f31k.greshko.com systemd[1]: Unmounting /raid...
> Jun 02 20:06:09 f31k.greshko.com systemd[1014]: raid.mount: Succeeded.
> Jun 02 20:06:09 f31k.greshko.com systemd[1066]: raid.mount: Succeeded.
> Jun 02 20:06:09 f31k.greshko.com systemd[1]: raid.mount: Succeeded.
> Jun 02 20:06:09 f31k.greshko.com systemd[1]: Unmounted /raid.

No, still not working:

$ grep raid /etc/fstab
UUID=6cb66da2-147a-4f3c-a513-36f6164ab581   /raid   ext4
rw,x-systemd.automount,x-systemd.device-timeout=1,x-systemd.idle-timeout=60 
1 1

$ findfs UUID=6cb66da2-147a-4f3c-a513-36f6164ab581
/dev/md127p1

(the only change is in the last two fields, where you had 1 1 rather
than my 0 0, but it made no difference, not that I thought it would). I
also did the daemon-reload thing just in case.

This is a USB system, so maybe that's at the root of the problem.

poc
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Re: Mount options for mostly-offline drives

[Roger Heflin]

you should not need any mount options.

I have a mounted md array and have went to great lengths to make sure
nothing usually accesses it and the drives do spin down and stay spun
down until something accesses it.  Making sure nothing was accessing
it was not the easiest.  A "df" with no options will spin them up.   I
had to move several services that exist on that disk onto an SSD and
use that spinning mdraid device more as a backup and/or archive.  So
md will let the disks spin down so long as md is not doing a
check/repair or io to the device for some reason.  you might want to
run a lsof and see if anything has open files on it, and if nothing
has open files on it, then it may something monitoring say space.  My
machine that lets the disk spin down does not normally have a
graphical desktop running, and there monitoring parts in the graphical
logins that would be querying disk usage on some schedule.

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 4:57 AM Patrick O'Callaghan
 wrote:
>
> I have a powered USB dock with a couple of SATA drives configured as
> RAID1, and used only for nightly backups. The (minimal) manual for the
> dock tells me it will power down after 30 minutes idle time, however I
> don't see this happening. I presume that something (such as the md
> system) is touching the drives periodically.
>
> What is the fstab option to have the drives mounted only when accessed?
> This used to be automount (or autofs) but with systemd getting its
> fingers into everything I know longer know how to do this.
>
> Can the drive be automatically unmounted if not in use? I presume this
> would stop md from trying to check it and hence prevent the dock from
> keeping it powered on.
>
> poc
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Re: Aplay problem -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 2020-06-01 06:45, Bob Goodwin wrote:



On 2020-05-31 22:12, Samuel Sieb wrote:


If you rebooted, then the runaway script is gone and won't be 
affecting anything.  I'm confused how you say some things can run 
aplay and make audio, but you can't run it directly.

_

°
Yes, confusing to me too, I try only to query when I reach the end of 
my limited skill set.


It seems to me like a path through Pulseaudio is broken. I will go 
back and try again with all I have there, the pavolume GUI. Will 
report back if I find anything, day just begins here ...


Thanks all for the suggestions,   Bob 

°
Well, I still have this annoying problem but after my effort yesterday 
it appears there was a few errors in my description.


The Thunderbird notification does not use aplay, it just gets the file 
and path: "file:///home/bobg/apps/audio/login.wav"
And when J aplay that same file PSvolume does not show the metering bar, 
it is only showing in text that it is "Playing .wav" on the "Playback" 
input and the same text on the "Output Devices" sound while nothing is 
heard from the loudspeaker.


So it seems that aplay has simply stopped producing output. Other audio 
sources still work as expected e.g. Thunderbird and VLC both produce 
sound. Aplay from a terminal does not.


I tried "# dnf reinstall /usr/bin/aplay" and it installed "alsa-utils" 
which presumably contains aplay, that made no improvement.


I am still open to suggestions,   Bob
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Re: build package

[Michael Schwendt]

On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 12:36:03 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I am rebuilding the perl packages that I need.
> perl-Math-GSL-0.40.tar.gz
> 
> 
> rpmbuild -bb perl-Math-GSL.spec 
> 
> gives an error:
> Checking for GSL using gsl-config
> Found GSL 2.6 (via gsl-config) installed in /usr
> Checking if gcc supports "-Wall"...yes
> Checking if gcc supports "-Wno-sometimes-uninitialized"...yes
> Checking if gcc supports "-Wno-unused-function"...yes
> Checking if gcc supports "-Wno-unused-value"...yes
> Checking if gcc supports "-Wno-unused-function"...yes
> Checking if gcc supports "-Wno-unused-variable"...yes
> Checking if gcc supports "-Wno-gnu"...yes
> Checking if gcc supports "-g"...yes
> unsupported version: 2.6 at Build.PL line 77.
> error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.I4k1Cb (%build)
> 
> Checking on the Build.PL file;
> it seems to be due to
> 
> my $ver2func = Ver2Func->new( $gsl_conf->{gsl_version} );
> 
> 
> The same version of perl-Math-GSL compiled fine with fc30.
> (same version of cpanspec)
> Now the gsl version is 2.6 (2.4 before)
> 
> Do I need to recompile gsl ?

No, that wouldn't change anything as long as GSL 2.5 is the maximum
version that is supported by Ver2Func. You could check the release notes
of GSL 2.6 to figure out how compatible it is.
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Re: Mount options for mostly-offline drives

[Jonathan Billings]

On Tue, Jun 02, 2020 at 11:57:13AM +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> Thanks Ed. I managed to find the man pages under systemd-mount(1) but
> it took a while. The man page for mount(1) should have a reference but
> doesn't.

They aren't really mount options, but something that the
systemd-fstab-generator parses when it dynamically creates .mount
units from fstab entries.  For what it's worth, it's probably a better
idea to just create them as .mount units, that way you can take
advantage of them as requirements or dependencies for other services. 

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Re: boot/grub

[Jonathan Billings]

On Tue, Jun 02, 2020 at 07:31:33PM +1000, Stephen Morris wrote:
> I understand this is the entry that is being booted from, but I don't
> understand why it is that entry rather than boot0003, which looks to be the
> vm disk partition, when I am running fedora within a vm. I don't understand
> how this relates to the segmented disk image that virtualbox is using for
> fedora, as it is not a physical partition as far as I am aware. Virtualbox
> may make it look like a partition but I'm not up on the internal workings of
> virtualbox.


From the earlier message:

On Mon, Jun 01, 2020 at 05:38:00PM -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 6/1/20 4:10 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
> > Timeout: 0 seconds
> > BootOrder: 0005,,0001,0003,0004
> 
> This is the order that the entries will be tried in.

That's why it uses the Boot0005 before Boot0003 boot entry.  The order
is already defined.

The UEFI VBOX HARDDISK entries are most likely the VBox UEFI
implementation's entries to boot via the Compatibility Support Module
(CSM), which is the legacy BIOS boot method.

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Re: Mount options for mostly-offline drives

[Ed Greshko]

On 2020-06-02 20:07, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 2020-06-02 19:29, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> Doesn't seem to do anything. I've tested with this line in /etc/fstab:
>>
>> UUID=6cb66da2-147a-4f3c-a513-36f6164ab581  /raid   ext4
>> rw,x-systemd.automount,x-systemd.device-timeout=1,x-systemd.idle-timeout=60  
>>0 0
>>
>> followed by 'mount -a' (using a 60-second timeout for testing) but it's
>> not unmounting. I also ran 'journalctl -f' but it doesn't show
>> anything.
> It works fine for non USB connected file systems.
>
> [egreshko@f31k ~]$ grep raid /etc/fstab
> /dev/md0    /raid   ext4    
> rw,x-systemd.automount,x-systemd.device-timeout=1,x-systemd.idle-timeout=60   
>     1 1
>
> [egreshko@f31k ~]$ date ; df --exclude-type=tmpfs --exclude-type=devtmpfs ; 
> ls /raid ; df --exclude-type=tmpfs --exclude-type=devtmpfs ; sleep 65 ; date 
> ; df --exclude-type=tmpfs --exclude-type=devtmpfs
>
> Tue 02 Jun 2020 08:05:08 PM CST
>
> Filesystem   1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
> /dev/mapper/fedora_f31k-root  27663300 14113656  12121372  54% /
> /dev/vda1   999320   263772    666736  29% /boot
>
> lost+found  x
>
> Filesystem   1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
> /dev/mapper/fedora_f31k-root  27663300 14113656  12121372  54% /
> /dev/vda1   999320   263772    666736  29% /boot
> /dev/md0  51310048    53272  48620644   1% /raid
>
> Tue 02 Jun 2020 08:06:13 PM CST
>
> Filesystem   1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
> /dev/mapper/fedora_f31k-root  27663300 14113664  12121364  54% /
> /dev/vda1   999320   263772    666736  29% /boot
>


Oh, and journal should these (abbreviated output)

Jun 02 20:05:08 f31k.greshko.com systemd[1]: raid.automount: Got automount 
request for /raid, triggered by 1308 (ls)
Jun 02 20:05:08 f31k.greshko.com systemd[1]: Mounting /raid...
Jun 02 20:05:08 f31k.greshko.com systemd[1]: Mounted /raid.
Jun 02 20:06:09 f31k.greshko.com systemd[1]: Unmounting /raid...
Jun 02 20:06:09 f31k.greshko.com systemd[1014]: raid.mount: Succeeded.
Jun 02 20:06:09 f31k.greshko.com systemd[1066]: raid.mount: Succeeded.
Jun 02 20:06:09 f31k.greshko.com systemd[1]: raid.mount: Succeeded.
Jun 02 20:06:09 f31k.greshko.com systemd[1]: Unmounted /raid.

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Re: Mount options for mostly-offline drives

[Ed Greshko]

On 2020-06-02 19:29, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> Doesn't seem to do anything. I've tested with this line in /etc/fstab:
>
> UUID=6cb66da2-147a-4f3c-a513-36f6164ab581  /raid   ext4
> rw,x-systemd.automount,x-systemd.device-timeout=1,x-systemd.idle-timeout=60   
>   0 0
>
> followed by 'mount -a' (using a 60-second timeout for testing) but it's
> not unmounting. I also ran 'journalctl -f' but it doesn't show
> anything.

It works fine for non USB connected file systems.

[egreshko@f31k ~]$ grep raid /etc/fstab
/dev/md0    /raid   ext4    
rw,x-systemd.automount,x-systemd.device-timeout=1,x-systemd.idle-timeout=60 
  1 1

[egreshko@f31k ~]$ date ; df --exclude-type=tmpfs --exclude-type=devtmpfs ; ls 
/raid ; df --exclude-type=tmpfs --exclude-type=devtmpfs ; sleep 65 ; date ; df 
--exclude-type=tmpfs --exclude-type=devtmpfs

Tue 02 Jun 2020 08:05:08 PM CST

Filesystem   1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/mapper/fedora_f31k-root  27663300 14113656  12121372  54% /
/dev/vda1   999320   263772    666736  29% /boot

lost+found  x

Filesystem   1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/mapper/fedora_f31k-root  27663300 14113656  12121372  54% /
/dev/vda1   999320   263772    666736  29% /boot
/dev/md0  51310048    53272  48620644   1% /raid

Tue 02 Jun 2020 08:06:13 PM CST

Filesystem   1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/mapper/fedora_f31k-root  27663300 14113664  12121364  54% /
/dev/vda1   999320   263772    666736  29% /boot

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Re: gnome-system-monitor with IO?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2020-06-02 at 11:26 +0200, Bob Marcan wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 23:11:40 -0700
> ToddAndMargo via users  wrote:
> 
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > Anyone know of a substitute /usr/bin/gnome-system-monitor
> > that will show IO, like iotop, but with a gui?
> > 
> > Many thanks,
> > -T
> 
> Not gui, but ...
> 
> Name : atop
> Version  : 2.5.0
> Release  : 2.fc32
> Architecture : x86_64
> Size : 173 k
> Source   : atop-2.5.0-2.fc32.src.rpm
> Repository   : fedora
> Summary  : An advanced interactive monitor to view the load on system and 
> process level
> URL  : http://www.atcomputing.nl/Tools/atop/
> License  : GPLv2+
> Description  : An advanced interactive monitor for Linux-systems to view the 
> load on
>  : system-level and process-level.
>  : The command atop has some major advantages compared to other
>  : performance-monitors:
>  :- Resource consumption by all processes
>  :- Utilization of all relevant resources
>  :- Permanent logging of resource utilization
>  :- Highlight critical resources
>  :- Watch activity only
>  :- Watch deviations only
>  :- Accumulated process activity per user
>  :- Accumulated process activity per program
>  : For more informations: http://www.atcomputing.nl/Tools/atop
>  : The package does not make use of the patches available at
>  : http://www.atcomputing.nl/Tools/atop/kernpatch.html

I find 'glances' works well for me. Again, not GUI but I run it in a
Yakuake terminal so it's always there when I hit F12.

poc
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Re: Mount options for mostly-offline drives

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2020-06-02 at 11:57 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Tue, 2020-06-02 at 18:18 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> > On 2020-06-02 17:57, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > I have a powered USB dock with a couple of SATA drives configured as
> > > RAID1, and used only for nightly backups. The (minimal) manual for the
> > > dock tells me it will power down after 30 minutes idle time, however I
> > > don't see this happening. I presume that something (such as the md
> > > system) is touching the drives periodically.
> > > 
> > > What is the fstab option to have the drives mounted only when accessed?
> > > This used to be automount (or autofs) but with systemd getting its
> > > fingers into everything I know longer know how to do this.
> > > 
> > > Can the drive be automatically unmounted if not in use? I presume this
> > > would stop md from trying to check it and hence prevent the dock from
> > > keeping it powered on.
> > 
> > I've not tried the timeouts  But I think you are looking for these 
> > options
> > 
> > x-systemd.automount, x-systemd.device-timeout=10, 
> > x-systemd.idle-timeout=1800
> > 
> > I use x-systemd.automount for nfs4 mounts but the NAS takes care of 
> > spinning down.
> 
> Thanks Ed. I managed to find the man pages under systemd-mount(1) but
> it took a while. The man page for mount(1) should have a reference but
> doesn't.

Doesn't seem to do anything. I've tested with this line in /etc/fstab:

UUID=6cb66da2-147a-4f3c-a513-36f6164ab581  /raid   ext4
rw,x-systemd.automount,x-systemd.device-timeout=1,x-systemd.idle-timeout=60 
0 0

followed by 'mount -a' (using a 60-second timeout for testing) but it's
not unmounting. I also ran 'journalctl -f' but it doesn't show
anything.

poc
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installation of F32 onto a ext. disk with 3 partitions

[Joerg Lechner via users]

Hi,I tried to install F32 on one partition of an external disk with 3 
partitions. I could not choose the partition I wanted, there was no choice, 
which I have had in F31 and previously. Is the only way to overwrite F31 in a 3 
partitions disk an uograde F31 -> F32?Kind Regards Joerg
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Multiboot question

[Steven Usdansky via users]

I have two bootable disks, and SSD with F32 (and Win 10), and a HDD with F31 
and a few other distros. Each disk has its own EFI partition. F32 mounts the 
SSD's EFI partition at /boot/efi; F31 mounts the HDD's EFI partition at 
/boot/efi. Both Fedoras have the appropriate entries in their respective 
/boot/loader/entries directories, and in both cases, GRUB_ENABLE_BLSCFG is set 
to true. 

If I update the F31 kernel, then boot off the SSD, I am not offered the option 
of booting F31 with the new kernel unless I regenerate the SSD's 
boot/efi/EFI/fedora/grub.cfg. What I want is for the SSD's bootloader to 
automatically offer me the option of booting any kernel configured in the F31's 
/boot/loader/entries, rather than offering me only the options in its own 
/boot/efi/EFI/fedora/grub.cfg.

Is this even possible?
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Re: Mount options for mostly-offline drives

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2020-06-02 at 18:18 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 2020-06-02 17:57, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > I have a powered USB dock with a couple of SATA drives configured as
> > RAID1, and used only for nightly backups. The (minimal) manual for the
> > dock tells me it will power down after 30 minutes idle time, however I
> > don't see this happening. I presume that something (such as the md
> > system) is touching the drives periodically.
> > 
> > What is the fstab option to have the drives mounted only when accessed?
> > This used to be automount (or autofs) but with systemd getting its
> > fingers into everything I know longer know how to do this.
> > 
> > Can the drive be automatically unmounted if not in use? I presume this
> > would stop md from trying to check it and hence prevent the dock from
> > keeping it powered on.
> 
> I've not tried the timeouts  But I think you are looking for these options
> 
> x-systemd.automount, x-systemd.device-timeout=10, x-systemd.idle-timeout=1800
> 
> I use x-systemd.automount for nfs4 mounts but the NAS takes care of spinning 
> down.

Thanks Ed. I managed to find the man pages under systemd-mount(1) but
it took a while. The man page for mount(1) should have a reference but
doesn't.

poc
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build package

[Patrick Dupre]

Hello,

I am rebuilding the perl packages that I need.
perl-Math-GSL-0.40.tar.gz


rpmbuild -bb perl-Math-GSL.spec 

gives an error:
Checking for GSL using gsl-config
Found GSL 2.6 (via gsl-config) installed in /usr
Checking if gcc supports "-Wall"...yes
Checking if gcc supports "-Wno-sometimes-uninitialized"...yes
Checking if gcc supports "-Wno-unused-function"...yes
Checking if gcc supports "-Wno-unused-value"...yes
Checking if gcc supports "-Wno-unused-function"...yes
Checking if gcc supports "-Wno-unused-variable"...yes
Checking if gcc supports "-Wno-gnu"...yes
Checking if gcc supports "-g"...yes
unsupported version: 2.6 at Build.PL line 77.
error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.I4k1Cb (%build)

Checking on the Build.PL file;
it seems to be due to

my $ver2func = Ver2Func->new( $gsl_conf->{gsl_version} );


The same version of perl-Math-GSL compiled fine with fc30.
(same version of cpanspec)
Now the gsl version is 2.6 (2.4 before)

Do I need to recompile gsl ?

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Re: upgrade 30 to 32

[Michael Schwendt]

On Tue, 02 Jun 2020 19:29:51 +0930, Tim via users wrote:

> Patrick Dupre wrote:
> >> This has been solved by
> >>
> >> rpm -e perl-PDL-LAPACK-0.12-1-1.fc30.x86_64  
> 
> Michael Schwendt:
> > The good old "rpm -e perl-PDL-LAPACK" would have been enough for the
> > most common use case.  
> 
> Don't you have to do up to the first dot?
> 
> i.e.  rpm -q perl-PDL-LAPACK-0

No. The simplified package naming scheme here is N-V-R.A as in
"Name-Version-Release.Arch", and specifying the name would be enough when
only a single package of that name is installed. Even if the name included
one or more characters like '-', '_' or '.'. In dependencies related
output you will also see N:E-V-R.Arch if the Epoch tag is set for a
package, but when using rpm/dnf, specifying the Epoch is only needed in
corner-cases.

Putting a numerical "Version" and '.' characters into the package name can
break quite some tools and scripts that strictly expect a simple N-V-R scheme.
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Re: windows10 disk not showing up

[George N. White III]

On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 at 23:08, Tim via users 
wrote:

> On Mon, 2020-06-01 at 15:55 -0600, Joe Zeff wrote:
> > If the CMOS battery is going bad, there will be a lot more problems
> > than just losing the settings of one drive!  If none of the other
> > settings are giving trouble, it's not the battery.
>
> I do wonder about that.  How many BIOS settings are ignored post-boot?
> And how many things are left at default by users who never customise
> their system?
>

Some old 7x24 systems continue to work fine running linux and getting time
from
the network long after the battery has failed.   I assume there are
differences in the
way a BIOS  deals with a bad battery.  A well engineered system should
detect
a battery problem and use defaults. I have seen warning messages about a
bad
CMOS checksum.

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Re: Mount options for mostly-offline drives

[Ed Greshko]

On 2020-06-02 17:57, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> I have a powered USB dock with a couple of SATA drives configured as
> RAID1, and used only for nightly backups. The (minimal) manual for the
> dock tells me it will power down after 30 minutes idle time, however I
> don't see this happening. I presume that something (such as the md
> system) is touching the drives periodically.
>
> What is the fstab option to have the drives mounted only when accessed?
> This used to be automount (or autofs) but with systemd getting its
> fingers into everything I know longer know how to do this.
>
> Can the drive be automatically unmounted if not in use? I presume this
> would stop md from trying to check it and hence prevent the dock from
> keeping it powered on.


I've not tried the timeouts  But I think you are looking for these options

x-systemd.automount, x-systemd.device-timeout=10, x-systemd.idle-timeout=1800

I use x-systemd.automount for nfs4 mounts but the NAS takes care of spinning 
down.

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Re: upgrade 30 to 32

[Tim via users]

Patrick Dupre wrote:
>> This has been solved by
>>
>> rpm -e perl-PDL-LAPACK-0.12-1-1.fc30.x86_64

Michael Schwendt:
> The good old "rpm -e perl-PDL-LAPACK" would have been enough for the
> most common use case.

Don't you have to do up to the first dot?

i.e.  rpm -q perl-PDL-LAPACK-0
 
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Mount options for mostly-offline drives

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

I have a powered USB dock with a couple of SATA drives configured as
RAID1, and used only for nightly backups. The (minimal) manual for the
dock tells me it will power down after 30 minutes idle time, however I
don't see this happening. I presume that something (such as the md
system) is touching the drives periodically.

What is the fstab option to have the drives mounted only when accessed?
This used to be automount (or autofs) but with systemd getting its
fingers into everything I know longer know how to do this.

Can the drive be automatically unmounted if not in use? I presume this
would stop md from trying to check it and hence prevent the dock from
keeping it powered on.

poc
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Re: boot/grub

[Stephen Morris]

On 2/6/20 10:38 am, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 6/1/20 4:10 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
I am confused by this process as well. If I issue the command 
efibootmgr -v I get the following output, and, I don't understand how 
that information relates to the segmented disk image that is being 
used when Fedora is run from a virtualbox vm running under windows, 
and in particular when I am booting Fedora via grub.


What part of it do you not understand?


efibootmgr -v
BootCurrent: 0005


This is the entry you're currently running.


Timeout: 0 seconds
BootOrder: 0005,,0001,0003,0004


This is the order that the entries will be tried in.

Boot0005* Fedora 
HD(1,GPT,5a166b43-c099-429b-9587-4cc29389e1cf,0x800,0x12c000)/File(\EFI\fedora\shimx64.efi) 



I don't know the all the specific details, but this entry describes 
how to load the grub bootloader to start Fedora:
"HD(1,GPT,5a166b43-c099-429b-9587-4cc29389e1cf,0x800,0x12c000)" 
identifies the hard drive and EFI partition to use.
"File(\EFI\fedora\shimx64.efi)" gives the path to the executable file 
on that partition to load and run.
I understand this is the entry that is being booted from, but I don't 
understand why it is that entry rather than boot0003, which looks to be 
the vm disk partition, when I am running fedora within a vm. I don't 
understand how this relates to the segmented disk image that virtualbox 
is using for fedora, as it is not a physical partition as far as I am 
aware. Virtualbox may make it look like a partition but I'm not up on 
the internal workings of virtualbox.


regards,
Steve


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Re: gnome-system-monitor with IO?

[Bob Marcan]

On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 23:11:40 -0700
ToddAndMargo via users  wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> Anyone know of a substitute /usr/bin/gnome-system-monitor
> that will show IO, like iotop, but with a gui?
> 
> Many thanks,
> -T

Not gui, but ...

Name : atop
Version  : 2.5.0
Release  : 2.fc32
Architecture : x86_64
Size : 173 k
Source   : atop-2.5.0-2.fc32.src.rpm
Repository   : fedora
Summary  : An advanced interactive monitor to view the load on system and 
process level
URL  : http://www.atcomputing.nl/Tools/atop/
License  : GPLv2+
Description  : An advanced interactive monitor for Linux-systems to view the 
load on
 : system-level and process-level.
 : The command atop has some major advantages compared to other
 : performance-monitors:
 :- Resource consumption by all processes
 :- Utilization of all relevant resources
 :- Permanent logging of resource utilization
 :- Highlight critical resources
 :- Watch activity only
 :- Watch deviations only
 :- Accumulated process activity per user
 :- Accumulated process activity per program
 : For more informations: http://www.atcomputing.nl/Tools/atop
 : The package does not make use of the patches available at
 : http://www.atcomputing.nl/Tools/atop/kernpatch.html

BR, Bob
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Re: upgrade 30 to 32

[Samuel Sieb]

On 6/2/20 12:57 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 00:25:59 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:


rpm -e perl-PDL-LAPACK-0.12-1-1.fc30.x86_64


The good old "rpm -e perl-PDL-LAPACK" would have been enough for the
most common use case.


Maybe you missed the original message where he tried the equivalent of
that with dnf.  There's something funny with the package name.  I'm
guessing that the version is part of the name for some reason.


Then whoever created that package needs to be told. ;-)


My understanding was that it was a package he made himself, so I think 
he's been told.

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Re: upgrade 30 to 32

[Michael Schwendt]

On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 00:25:59 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:

> >> rpm -e perl-PDL-LAPACK-0.12-1-1.fc30.x86_64  
> > 
> > The good old "rpm -e perl-PDL-LAPACK" would have been enough for the
> > most common use case.  
> 
> Maybe you missed the original message where he tried the equivalent of 
> that with dnf.  There's something funny with the package name.  I'm 
> guessing that the version is part of the name for some reason.

Then whoever created that package needs to be told. ;-)
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Re: upgrade 30 to 32

[Samuel Sieb]

On 6/2/20 12:14 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote:

On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 23:12:06 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:


This has been solved by

rpm -e perl-PDL-LAPACK-0.12-1-1.fc30.x86_64


The good old "rpm -e perl-PDL-LAPACK" would have been enough for the
most common use case.


Maybe you missed the original message where he tried the equivalent of 
that with dnf.  There's something funny with the package name.  I'm 
guessing that the version is part of the name for some reason.

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Re: upgrade 30 to 32

[Michael Schwendt]

On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 23:12:06 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:

> This has been solved by
> 
> rpm -e perl-PDL-LAPACK-0.12-1-1.fc30.x86_64

The good old "rpm -e perl-PDL-LAPACK" would have been enough for the
most common use case.
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gnome-system-monitor with IO?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

Hi All,

Anyone know of a substitute /usr/bin/gnome-system-monitor
that will show IO, like iotop, but with a gui?

Many thanks,
-T
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