Re: OT: ink jet printers
On 2021-07-06 at 17:36:13 Tom Horsley wrote: > On Tue, 06 Jul 2021 17:18:19 -0400 > Sam Varshavchik wrote: > > > This shows very, very scant HP support. Who should I believe? > > I've pretty much given up on linux and scanning. My current all-in-one > Epson Artisan 725 claimed to have a linux driver, but it never > worked. I do all my scanning on a windows (the Epson is a network > device) virtual machine, and save the scanned images to a samba > share hosted on the fedora system where I actually want the scans. Have you tried VueScan? https://www.hamrick.com/ -- Erik P. Olsen - Copenhagen, Denmark Fedora 34/64 bit xfce Claws-Mail POP3 Gramps 5.1.3 Bacula 11.0.5 ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: OT: ink jet printers
> Am 07.07.2021 um 00:33 schrieb James Szinger : > > On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 09:57:47 -0600 > Greg Woods wrote: > >> Question #2 is, are any of the all-in-one laser printers any good and >> work (all functions) with Fedora Linux? > > I currently have an HP Color LaserJet MFP M477fdw. It prints great > from Fedora, CentOS, Mac OS, iOS, MS Windows, and Android. I usually > scan to e-mail or USB disk. I can also scan over the network from > Fedora 34 with xsane and airscan. From my experience of about 30 years the HP software support or multifunction laser printers is really superb and works smoothly. There is no difference to inkjet devices. For that reason I avoid any of the cheaper laser printer alternatives. It’s not worth the headache and the time to spend resolving issues. For heavy load and quality requirements Lexmark is an alternative. A problem is when you want to print borderless, often required for graphic printing or photos. This does not work technically. You have to take oversized paper and crop it afterwards. Desirable precision can be a challenge. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: downloading a complete web page without using a browser...
D writes: > env shows :0.0. I have tried several variations: > export DISPLAY=:0 > export DISPLAY=:0.0 > export DISPLAY=:0.1 The first two should work, not sure about the second. I would check the following: 1. Is there actually a firefox executable where the script expects it? (Note that depending on how you run the script, it may not actually search PATH for firefox.) If you're sure Firefox is starting, then this doesn't apply. 2. If you're running over ssh, you may have a different DISPLAY (typically 10.0) or no DISPLAY set at all. This is very unlikely, I suppose you're running the script the same way you ran env. Oh, make sure you're running env on the host where the script is! 3. Nowadays most X servers require authentication from clients, usually a simple MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE by default. This requires credentials be stashed somewhere, typically $HOME/.Xauthority on the host where the client is started. All of this seems kinda unlikely, but it's what I can come up with offhand. There is a kind of X server that you may be able to install (Xnull or Xtest or something like that), that doesn't actually do anything except speak the X protocol back to the client. I don't know whether that would help, but it could avoid a flash of a window (and perhaps save a few milliseconds in execution). Steve ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: GRUB_DEFAULT entry
On 7/6/21 11:32 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote: On Tue, Jul 06, 2021 at 10:11:01AM -0400, Robert McBroom via users wrote: grub seems to now ignore the settings in /etc/default/grub. What is needed to restore the function of setting a specific boot option? I've noticed that GRUB2 on Fedora uses BootLoaderSpec (see this page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/BootLoaderSpecByDefault ), however, if you (or an RPM scriptlet) uses the 'grubby' command to change the kernel parameters, in the individual /boot/loader/entries/ files, the 'options $kernelopts' line is replaced with the full kernel options, and they're never updated again even if you change the /etc/default/grub settings. FWIW, the nvidia packages use grubby in an RPM post script, so people who use those often run into this. It looks like this has been reported: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1651686 I'm not sure if Fedora needs to do a better job documenting this behavior, or if it should just be fixed so people aren't confused by this. Maybe something like "These settings only affect when the system is loaded and changing them won't affect a running system's grub" in the /etc/default/grub file? I typically have several different OS in stanzas in /etc/grub.d/06_custom. They don't go through /boot/loader/entries/ GRUB_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub would select the system I wanted to use for a session from the menuentry until edited. typically these were CENTOS systems that had the legacy support the codes I use needed. That functionality appears to have been lost. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: F33 Xorg XFCE4 ALSA => F34 Wayland Gnome PipeWire - Issue #1
On Wed, 07 Jul 2021 07:11:23 +1000 Philip Rhoades via users wrote: > Doug, > > > On 2021-07-07 04:31, Doug H. wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Philip Rhoades via users wrote: > >> People, > >> >> There doesn't seem to be a dedicated Fedora Gnome list so I am posting > >> here - I have looked around a lot for info before posting. > >> >> In my traditional XFCE4 environment, on the top task bar I have had > >> direct access to everything I need to get to: > > > > Why don't you continue with Xfce4 in F34? > > > Mostly because I have been wanting to use Wayland for a long time but it is > not supported by XFCE4 yet . . I will probably look at going back to XFCE4 > when Wayland is supported . . > > P. Did you consider the opposite? I'm using fvwm and i'm waiting when Wayland will support emulating X11. ;-) BR, Bob ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Windows 11 VMs
On 2021-07-06 2:42 a.m., Stephen Morris wrote: From the screenshot in the attachment I assume it is telling me that under Windows 10 it is finding a tpm, is that correct? That is correct. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Unable to start GeoClue client
On 7/6/21 3:08 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/07/2021 03:30, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: Anyone know how to fix this? The FAQ was zero help. -T $ redshift Trying location provider `geoclue2'... Using provider `geoclue2'. Using method `randr'. Waiting for initial location to become available... Unable to start GeoClue client: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: 'redshift' disallowed, no agent for UID 500. Access to the current location was denied by GeoClue! Make sure that location services are enabled and that Redshift is permitted to use location services. See https://github.com/jonls/redshift#faq for more information. Unable to get location from provider. What do you mean the FAQ was zero help? [egreshko@f34k2 ~]$ rpm -qa | grep ^reds redshift-1.12-11.fc34.x86_64 redshift-gtk-1.12-11.fc34.x86_64 [egreshko@f34k2 ~]$ rpm -qa | grep geoclu geoclue2-2.5.7-2.fc34.x86_64 geoclue2-libs-2.5.7-2.fc34.x86_64 [egreshko@f34k2 ~]$ redshift Trying location provider `geoclue2'... Using provider `geoclue2'. Using method `randr'. Waiting for initial location to become available... Unable to start GeoClue client: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: 'redshift' disallowed, no agent for UID 1026. Access to the current location was denied by GeoClue! Make sure that location services are enabled and that Redshift is permitted to use location services. See https://github.com/jonls/redshift#faq for more information. Unable to get location from provider [egreshko@f34k2 ~]$ cp /usr/share/doc/redshift/redshift.conf.sample .config/redshift.conf [egreshko@f34k2 ~]$ redshift Waiting for initial location to become available... Location: 48.10 N, 11.60 E Hi Ed, Oh crap. I missed that part. It is working now. Thank you! -T ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: OT: ink jet printers
On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 09:57:47 -0600 Greg Woods wrote: > Well, not completely OT because I do need one that will work on > Fedora. > > I have found a number of ink jet all-in-ones that work well on > Fedora, from Epson, HP, and Brother. The problem is that I don't use > the printer all that much, and every single one of them eventually > (after I've had it for a few months) develops a head clog that is so > bad that not even the printer's cleaning cycle can fix it. I have > tried some of the cleaning kits with not much success (I'm a lousy > handyman), and even if I could get the cleaning kits to work, I'd > rather find a printer where I can avoid this headache. I gave up on ink jet printers because of this. > So, is there any such thing as an all-in-one ink jet printer that > does not suffer from this problem if it is not used regularly? > Question #2 is, are any of the all-in-one laser printers any good and > work (all functions) with Fedora Linux? I currently have an HP Color LaserJet MFP M477fdw. It prints great from Fedora, CentOS, Mac OS, iOS, MS Windows, and Android. I usually scan to e-mail or USB disk. I can also scan over the network from Fedora 34 with xsane and airscan. Jim ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Windows 11 VMs
On 07/07/2021 05:27, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2021-07-06 at 22:19 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 06/07/2021 20:40, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2021-07-06 at 20:22 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 06/07/2021 20:08, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: It's annoying when banks decide to "improve" security by requiring their customers to use a specific platform rather than a general standard. All banks here use smartcards but the personal terminal is just an offline card reader with a display. It is only the Post Office Bank here that requires the Smart Card Reader. The Post Office also sells the a reader to make things "easier". I suspect they take a piece of the action. :-) :-) And require a Windows machine to use it? Personally. I'd look for a different bank. Here the bank just gives you the card reader when you open an account. We have accounts at other banks. But the P O account is tied into paying house taxes, electric bill, gas bill and others. Too much of a pain to change. Getting way off-topic here, but in the UK you can switch bank accounts for all such payments (direct debits) in a single operation. The two banks coordinate the handover between themselves. Takes a few days but is no more complicated than changing your phone service provider. I did it a couple of years ago and as I recall didn´t need to contact any of the payees myself. You are 100% right about being OT. And I violate my own rules again. I'll just leave you with "Don't Get Me Started on Banks in Taiwan"!!! And especially "Don't get me stated on Banks in Taiwan and their treatment of non-citizens". -- Remind me to ignore comments which aren't germane to the thread. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Unable to start GeoClue client
On 07/07/2021 03:30, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: Anyone know how to fix this? The FAQ was zero help. -T $ redshift Trying location provider `geoclue2'... Using provider `geoclue2'. Using method `randr'. Waiting for initial location to become available... Unable to start GeoClue client: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: 'redshift' disallowed, no agent for UID 500. Access to the current location was denied by GeoClue! Make sure that location services are enabled and that Redshift is permitted to use location services. See https://github.com/jonls/redshift#faq for more information. Unable to get location from provider. What do you mean the FAQ was zero help? [egreshko@f34k2 ~]$ rpm -qa | grep ^reds redshift-1.12-11.fc34.x86_64 redshift-gtk-1.12-11.fc34.x86_64 [egreshko@f34k2 ~]$ rpm -qa | grep geoclu geoclue2-2.5.7-2.fc34.x86_64 geoclue2-libs-2.5.7-2.fc34.x86_64 [egreshko@f34k2 ~]$ redshift Trying location provider `geoclue2'... Using provider `geoclue2'. Using method `randr'. Waiting for initial location to become available... Unable to start GeoClue client: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: 'redshift' disallowed, no agent for UID 1026. Access to the current location was denied by GeoClue! Make sure that location services are enabled and that Redshift is permitted to use location services. See https://github.com/jonls/redshift#faq for more information. Unable to get location from provider [egreshko@f34k2 ~]$ cp /usr/share/doc/redshift/redshift.conf.sample .config/redshift.conf [egreshko@f34k2 ~]$ redshift Waiting for initial location to become available... Location: 48.10 N, 11.60 E -- Remind me to ignore comments which aren't germane to the thread. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: GRUB_DEFAULT entry
On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 8:11 AM Robert McBroom via users wrote: > > grub seems to now ignore the settings in /etc/default/grub. What is > needed to restore the function of setting a specific boot option? Whatever is in /etc/default/grub will be set in each BLS snippet if you run grub2-mkconfig -o /etc/grub2.cfg New kernels will get whatever is currently in /proc/cmdline. If you use grubby with --update-kernel=ALL then all possibilities are modified regardless of Fedora release version (grubenv or BLS snippets or grub.cfg as the case may be). https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GRUB_2?rd=Grub2#Changing_kernel_command-line_parameters_with_grubby -- Chris Murphy ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: OT: ink jet printers
On Tue, 06 Jul 2021 22:31:35 +0100 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I have a wireless Brother laser all-in-one that I use on a daily basis > and has been working since 2014 on Fedora. You just download a tarfile > from their support page and run it to set the thing up. Both scanner > and printer work. I just looked on the brother web site earlier today and all their all-in-one laser systems are listed as "out of stock" :-). ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Windows 11 VMs
On Tue, 2021-07-06 at 22:19 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 06/07/2021 20:40, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Tue, 2021-07-06 at 20:22 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > > > On 06/07/2021 20:08, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > It's annoying when banks decide to "improve" security by > > > > requiring > > > > their customers to use a specific platform rather than a > > > > general > > > > standard. All banks here use smartcards but the personal > > > > terminal > > > > is > > > > just an offline card reader with a display. > > > It is only the Post Office Bank here that requires the Smart Card > > > Reader. The Post Office > > > also sells the a reader to make things "easier". I suspect they > > > take > > > a piece of the action. > > > :-) :-) > > And require a Windows machine to use it? Personally. I'd look for a > > different bank. Here the bank just gives you the card reader when > > you > > open an account. > > We have accounts at other banks. But the P O account is tied into > paying house taxes, > electric bill, gas bill and others. Too much of a pain to change. Getting way off-topic here, but in the UK you can switch bank accounts for all such payments (direct debits) in a single operation. The two banks coordinate the handover between themselves. Takes a few days but is no more complicated than changing your phone service provider. I did it a couple of years ago and as I recall didn´t need to contact any of the payees myself. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Windows 11 VMs
On Tue, 2021-07-06 at 15:01 -0400, mcgarrett wrote: > From the mail, it appears that a software TPM should solve the > problem on older computers, > but it occurs to me that you might not be permitted to install the > software unless > a TPM is found. So, for those who have already tried version 11, has > any one of you > tried installing on an older laptop, and then adding a software TPM, > or is this impossible? --doug As stated earlier, my system doesn´t have a hardware TPM, but adding a software TPM in virt-manager was enough. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: OT: ink jet printers
On Tue, 06 Jul 2021 17:18:19 -0400 Sam Varshavchik wrote: > This shows very, very scant HP support. Who should I believe? I've pretty much given up on linux and scanning. My current all-in-one Epson Artisan 725 claimed to have a linux driver, but it never worked. I do all my scanning on a windows (the Epson is a network device) virtual machine, and save the scanned images to a samba share hosted on the fedora system where I actually want the scans. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: OT: ink jet printers
On Tue, 2021-07-06 at 09:57 -0600, Greg Woods wrote: > Well, not completely OT because I do need one that will work on > Fedora. > > I have found a number of ink jet all-in-ones that work well on > Fedora, from > Epson, HP, and Brother. The problem is that I don't use the printer > all > that much, and every single one of them eventually (after I've had it > for a > few months) develops a head clog that is so bad that not even the > printer's > cleaning cycle can fix it. I have tried some of the cleaning kits > with not > much success (I'm a lousy handyman), and even if I could get the > cleaning > kits to work, I'd rather find a printer where I can avoid this > headache. > > So, is there any such thing as an all-in-one ink jet printer that > does not > suffer from this problem if it is not used regularly? Question #2 is, > are > any of the all-in-one laser printers any good and work (all > functions) with > Fedora Linux? I have a wireless Brother laser all-in-one that I use on a daily basis and has been working since 2014 on Fedora. You just download a tarfile from their support page and run it to set the thing up. Both scanner and printer work. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: OT: ink jet printers
Greg Woods writes: So, is there any such thing as an all-in-one ink jet printer that does not suffer from this problem if it is not used regularly? Question #2 is, are any of the all-in-one laser printers any good and work (all functions) with Fedora Linux? I think that a laser printer is going to be the best bet here, and I'm wondering the same thing, actually. I'd settle down for only a scanner, since my laserjet m118dw worked out of the box, after pointing hplip in its direction. But an all-in-one would work too. I did some searching over the weekend, and there's some conflicting information on HP's multifunction devices. HP's site: https://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing/supported_devices/index This seems to suggest that hplip can configure most of their MFP with sane. However, over at sane: http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html#Z-HEWLETT-PACKARD This shows very, very scant HP support. Who should I believe? I've been unable to find anything else on the intertubes that talks about the trials and tribulation of such an endeavor. And I do not see Fedora's hplip package install anything that might suggest a sane driver. Maybe when it sees a supported scanner or MFP it dumps something, somewhere, where sane sees it. Maybe HP's stuff works so well, that there's no reason for anyone to say much about it, it just works. Another data point that raises a shadow of suspicion on the quality of hplip's documentation: according to HP's web site my M118dw is a color laser printer. That's news to me, and to the best of my abilities I've yet to locate any color cartridges inside the chassis. pgpST34zQPvJ9.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: F33 Xorg XFCE4 ALSA => F34 Wayland Gnome PipeWire - Issue #1
Doug, On 2021-07-07 04:31, Doug H. wrote: On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Philip Rhoades via users wrote: People, There doesn't seem to be a dedicated Fedora Gnome list so I am posting here - I have looked around a lot for info before posting. In my traditional XFCE4 environment, on the top task bar I have had direct access to everything I need to get to: Why don't you continue with Xfce4 in F34? Mostly because I have been wanting to use Wayland for a long time but it is not supported by XFCE4 yet . . I will probably look at going back to XFCE4 when Wayland is supported . . P. -- Philip Rhoades PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: OT: ink jet printers
On 7/6/21 10:19 AM, Jon LaBadie wrote: On Tue, Jul 06, 2021 at 09:57:47AM -0600, Greg Woods wrote: Well, not completely OT because I do need one that will work on Fedora. I have found a number of ink jet all-in-ones that work well on Fedora, from Epson, HP, and Brother. The problem is that I don't use the printer all that much, and every single one of them eventually (after I've had it for a few months) develops a head clog that is so bad that not even the printer's cleaning cycle can fix it. I have tried some of the cleaning kits with not much success (I'm a lousy handyman), and even if I could get the cleaning kits to work, I'd rather find a printer where I can avoid this headache. So, is there any such thing as an all-in-one ink jet printer that does not suffer from this problem if it is not used regularly? Question #2 is, are any of the all-in-one laser printers any good and work (all functions) with Fedora Linux? Thanks, --Greg If replacing your current unit, I suggest exploring color laser technology instead of ink jet. May not be that much more expensive and the printer can sit at idle power with no problems. I'd recommend one that has network connectivity and does PostScript (or manufacturer's emulation, like Brother's BR-3). If you go with a color laser, be aware that the toner cartridges they send (starter toner) is only 10% filled and you will run out very quickly. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Unable to start GeoClue client
Anyone know how to fix this? The FAQ was zero help. -T $ redshift Trying location provider `geoclue2'... Using provider `geoclue2'. Using method `randr'. Waiting for initial location to become available... Unable to start GeoClue client: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: 'redshift' disallowed, no agent for UID 500. Access to the current location was denied by GeoClue! Make sure that location services are enabled and that Redshift is permitted to use location services. See https://github.com/jonls/redshift#faq for more information. Unable to get location from provider. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Windows 11 VMs
> On July 6, 2021 at 1:34 AM "Stephen J. Turnbull" wrote: > > > Tim writes: > > > I reckon the default thought of most people who're suddenly faced with > > a computer failing a security test is not going to be that something > > has changed on them without authority, but that something has gone > > wrong. They're going to try and reset something, rather than work out > > if they've been compromised. > > Indeed. Pragmatically speaking, I don't think they're wrong, do you? > > Patrick writes: > > > I think much depends on what the TPM is used for. Certainly if the > > user takes care not to subvert the intention, it can reasonably be > > used to ensure that only trusted software is run. > > "Pragmatically speaking ..." ;-) Seriously, I think TPM mostly makes > sense with VMs. People who write programs are generally going to be > very unhappy with the amount of kissing up to the TPM they have to do. > Like, on Mac every time LLVM releases a new version of the debugger I > have to go through the self-signing dance. So far I have been > satisfied with the results every time (there really are new features > or performance improvements), but it's infrequent enough that I have > no memory of the procedure, let alone muscle memory. > > > OTOH, I think one application of TPM (at least when originally > > proposed) was to prevent the user from bypassing DRM, in which case > > the trust goes in the other direction and the situation is > > different. > > Yeah, there was a *lot* of angst about potential DRM applications at > the time. I'm willing to bet it's possible to distinguish a hardware > TPM from a software TPM for that application, though. I didn't look > hard enough to see if the Xen folk had proposed a protocol to get a > token from the hardware TPM to vouch for a VM in that case. > > Steve From the mail, it appears that a software TPM should solve the problem on older computers, but it occurs to me that you might not be permitted to install the software unless a TPM is found. So, for those who have already tried version 11, has any one of you tried installing on an older laptop, and then adding a software TPM, or is this impossible? --doug ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: F33 Xorg XFCE4 ALSA => F34 Wayland Gnome PipeWire - Issue #1
On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Philip Rhoades via users wrote: > People, > > There doesn't seem to be a dedicated Fedora Gnome list so I am posting > here - I have looked around a lot for info before posting. > > In my traditional XFCE4 environment, on the top task bar I have had > direct access to everything I need to get to: Why don't you continue with Xfce4 in F34? -- Doug Herr fedoraproject@wombatz.com ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: OT: ink jet printers
On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 09:57:47 -0600 Greg Woods wrote: > Well, not completely OT because I do need one that will work on Fedora. > > I have found a number of ink jet all-in-ones that work well on Fedora, from > Epson, HP, and Brother. The problem is that I don't use the printer all > that much, and every single one of them eventually (after I've had it for a > few months) develops a head clog that is so bad that not even the printer's > cleaning cycle can fix it. I have tried some of the cleaning kits with not > much success (I'm a lousy handyman), and even if I could get the cleaning > kits to work, I'd rather find a printer where I can avoid this headache. > > So, is there any such thing as an all-in-one ink jet printer that does not > suffer from this problem if it is not used regularly? Question #2 is, are > any of the all-in-one laser printers any good and work (all functions) with > Fedora Linux? > > Thanks, > --Greg In one of my previous jobs, we are using a cron entry, to print a test page once a day. BR, Bob ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Python libraries problem with F34
Barry wrote: >> On 6 Jul 2021, at 03:38, Frederic Muller >> wrote: >>> On 7/6/21 3:34 AM, Barry wrote: [...] >>> It’s fine to install packages with pip install —user. >>> Use of venv is very useful, but not mandatory. >>> >> Actually it's not. That's what I do all the time. Rather >> than copying the explanation, I'll point whoever is >> interested into the explanations and the resolution *it >> seems to be a very common problem users are facing >> apparently*: >> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/de...@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/JNBGOXQ73P6VSOWYHGRT7T2IMMJ7RPSD/ > > I read all of the thread, i am on the dev list. > > It told you to never install into the fedora system python > directories, which it appears you did. > It did not tell you that installing the user dirs will > break fedora. Doing so can still interact badly with the system python modules. While it's better to limit that to just one user rather than the whole system, it doesn't really help when the user who's got an odd python problem is your own. :) I think it's entirely reasonable advice to generally recommend using venv if you're using pip. Personally, I'd package anything I needed before I'd ever use pip install. Can you get away with not doing so in every case? Sure. But you have to know what those cases are. So it's not good general advice to suggest you shouldn't bother with using venv, IMO. -- Todd signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
F33 Xorg XFCE4 ALSA => F34 Wayland Gnome PipeWire - Issue #1
People, There doesn't seem to be a dedicated Fedora Gnome list so I am posting here - I have looked around a lot for info before posting. In my traditional XFCE4 environment, on the top task bar I have had direct access to everything I need to get to: workspaces and stacked programs of each app eg: Chrome, FF, Brave, X-Terminals, Kitty Terminals etc. Now in Gnome, not only do I not have direct access to the workspace I want (I usually have four - each used for different work), but the task bar is only showing ONE stacked app instead of ALL the apps in the current workspace - how do I customise this task bar to look like my usual work environment? I want to persist with this environment but so far the update / changeover has resulted in a severe downgrade in my productivity . . Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: OT: ink jet printers
On Tue, Jul 06, 2021 at 09:57:47AM -0600, Greg Woods wrote: Well, not completely OT because I do need one that will work on Fedora. I have found a number of ink jet all-in-ones that work well on Fedora, from Epson, HP, and Brother. The problem is that I don't use the printer all that much, and every single one of them eventually (after I've had it for a few months) develops a head clog that is so bad that not even the printer's cleaning cycle can fix it. I have tried some of the cleaning kits with not much success (I'm a lousy handyman), and even if I could get the cleaning kits to work, I'd rather find a printer where I can avoid this headache. So, is there any such thing as an all-in-one ink jet printer that does not suffer from this problem if it is not used regularly? Question #2 is, are any of the all-in-one laser printers any good and work (all functions) with Fedora Linux? Thanks, --Greg If replacing your current unit, I suggest exploring color laser technology instead of ink jet. May not be that much more expensive and the printer can sit at idle power with no problems. I'd recommend one that has network connectivity and does PostScript (or manufacturer's emulation, like Brother's BR-3). -- Jon H. LaBadie jo...@jgcomp.com ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Python libraries problem with F34
> On 6 Jul 2021, at 03:38, Frederic Muller wrote: > > >> On 7/6/21 3:34 AM, Barry wrote: >>> Hi and thank you! >>> >>> Actually Felix from the devel list 'smelled' the issue right away: I >>> install libraries through pip without a virtual environment. I should >>> either used rpm packages or create venv and use pip for that environment. >> It’s fine to install packages with pip install —user. Use of venv is very >> useful, but not mandatory. >> >> Barry > Actually it's not. That's what I do all the time. Rather than copying the > explanation, I'll point whoever is interested into the explanations and the > resolution *it seems to be a very common problem users are facing apparently*: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/de...@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/JNBGOXQ73P6VSOWYHGRT7T2IMMJ7RPSD/ I read all of the thread, i am on the dev list. It told you to never install into the fedora system python directories, which it appears you did. It did not tell you that installing the user dirs will break fedora. Barry > > Thank you all for the help. > > Fred > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: OT: ink jet printers
On Wed, 07 Jul 2021 02:05:25 +0930 Tim via users wrote: > I believe some people have good luck with the Brother brand, too. My ancient Brother is going strong, and even prints nice and crisp again since I recently replaced both of the "consumable" cartridges. But it is just a printer, not an all-in-one. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: OT: ink jet printers
On Tue, 2021-07-06 at 09:57 -0600, Greg Woods wrote: > I have found a number of ink jet all-in-ones that work well on > Fedora, from Epson, HP, and Brother. The problem is that I don't use > the printer all that much, and every single one of them eventually > (after I've had it for a few months) develops a head clog that is so > bad that not even the printer's cleaning cycle can fix it. That's a general problem with the inkjet technology. That, and wasting lots of ink in their cleaning cycle before they'll print. I've got an all-in-one that insists on wasting several minutes cleaning the heads even if I just want to use the scanner by itself. I've not heard of any that don't behave like that (clogging and ink wasting), and was advised to just print something once a week or so, whether you needed to, or not. Print a small shopping list, bank statement, something like that. For printing I use an old HP LaserJet. HP has been one of the better manufacturers for producing hardware that worked on Linux. Any that have built in networking and support postscript is a promising sign of being usable (e.g. search for those models first, then see if you can find Linux info). I believe some people have good luck with the Brother brand, too. Now that Macs use CUPs for printing, it should be easier to find a printer that works with Linux. -- uname -rsvp Linux 5.11.21-100.fc32.x86_64 #1 SMP Fri May 14 18:03:50 UTC 2021 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
OT: ink jet printers
Well, not completely OT because I do need one that will work on Fedora. I have found a number of ink jet all-in-ones that work well on Fedora, from Epson, HP, and Brother. The problem is that I don't use the printer all that much, and every single one of them eventually (after I've had it for a few months) develops a head clog that is so bad that not even the printer's cleaning cycle can fix it. I have tried some of the cleaning kits with not much success (I'm a lousy handyman), and even if I could get the cleaning kits to work, I'd rather find a printer where I can avoid this headache. So, is there any such thing as an all-in-one ink jet printer that does not suffer from this problem if it is not used regularly? Question #2 is, are any of the all-in-one laser printers any good and work (all functions) with Fedora Linux? Thanks, --Greg ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: GRUB_DEFAULT entry
On Tue, Jul 06, 2021 at 10:11:01AM -0400, Robert McBroom via users wrote: > grub seems to now ignore the settings in /etc/default/grub. What is needed > to restore the function of setting a specific boot option? I've noticed that GRUB2 on Fedora uses BootLoaderSpec (see this page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/BootLoaderSpecByDefault ), however, if you (or an RPM scriptlet) uses the 'grubby' command to change the kernel parameters, in the individual /boot/loader/entries/ files, the 'options $kernelopts' line is replaced with the full kernel options, and they're never updated again even if you change the /etc/default/grub settings. FWIW, the nvidia packages use grubby in an RPM post script, so people who use those often run into this. It looks like this has been reported: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1651686 I'm not sure if Fedora needs to do a better job documenting this behavior, or if it should just be fixed so people aren't confused by this. Maybe something like "These settings only affect when the system is loaded and changing them won't affect a running system's grub" in the /etc/default/grub file? -- Jonathan Billings ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: downloading a complete web page without using a browser...
On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 14:31:29 +0900 step...@xemacs.org wrote: > Samuel Sieb writes: > > On 2021-07-03 8:02 p.m., dwoody5...@gmail.com wrote: > > > the url I am trying to download does not have an extension ie. no > > > '.htm' such as: > > > https://my.acbl.org/club-results/details/338288 > > The extension doesn't matter to any of the utilities mentioned as far > as I know. I'm pretty sure they get the MIME type from the HTTP > Content-Type header. > > > > wget does not download the correct web page. > > > > I tried it and it worked, sort of. The problem is that you want to > > download everything to view it offline, but the site my.acbl.org has a > > robots.txt that says "no robots allowed". So wget respects that and > > will not download any required files from that site other than the > > initial page. curl probably has the same issue. > > 1. The page does not have content represented in HTML AFAICT: it's a > blob which is parsed and formatted by a battery of (java)scripts, > some of which are resources on the Internet, and some are inline. > In other words, the HTML in that file is used as a container format > to transport the scripts to the browser. > Neither wget nor curl support Javascript at all as far as I know. > > 2. 96% of the page is in two blobs; AFAICT there were no IMG or other > elements that specify requirements by URL. If so, that would > explain why only the top page was downloaded. > > 3. curl does not document how it handles robots.txt. Since as far as > I can tell curl has no recursive or get-requirements option, it > probably doesn't handle it at all. > wget documents that wget -r (recursive downloads) respects > robots.txt. It does not document that wget -p (get page > requisites, too) respects robots.txt, but a quick test suggests > that it does. I think this is a bug: any interactive program that > supports non-text media will download required resources with the > access to the HTML file. (If someone agrees and wants to do > something about it, this is a wget bug, not a Fedora bug.) > > I don't have an alternative fetch tool to suggest, unfortunately. I > think that you need to use a graphical browser somehow, or write a > script in your favorite P-language. > > Steve Thanks for the info. I have been using a script called save-page-as.sh that runs firefox. I have changed the save-page-as in firefox to use the 'Web Page, complete' The savd-page-as.sh script sends a ctls-s to firefox and saves the page. It works perfectly when run from the command line. I have tried to use the save-page-as.sh script by sending an email to my computer. It does not run firefox for some reason. In searching it says that firefox can be run from a cron script by exporting DISPLAY. Running from a cron script, I would think, is similar to running a script from an email (using procmailrc) no luck , however. env shows :0.0. I have tried several variations: export DISPLAY=:0 export DISPLAY=:0.0 export DISPLAY=:0.1 with no luck. Perhaps there is another setting that need to be included as well. Any thoughts? David > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List > Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List > Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Windows 11 VMs
Tim, with mangled quoting by crapmail programs, come on you've had decades to get this shit right: > > I reckon the default thought of most people who're suddenly faced > with > > a computer failing a security test is not going to be that > something > > has changed on them without authority, but that something has gone > > wrong. They're going to try and reset something, rather than work > out > > if they've been compromised. Stephen J. Turnbull > Indeed. Pragmatically speaking, I don't think they're wrong, do you? Quite probably it *is* a fault, nine times out of ten (which makes you ignore the time it's really a problem). With badly engineered hardware, software, and stupidly worded error messages, the blame is really not on the user. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.31.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Jun 10 13:32:12 UTC 2021 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Windows 11 VMs
On 06/07/2021 20:40, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2021-07-06 at 20:22 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 06/07/2021 20:08, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: It's annoying when banks decide to "improve" security by requiring their customers to use a specific platform rather than a general standard. All banks here use smartcards but the personal terminal is just an offline card reader with a display. It is only the Post Office Bank here that requires the Smart Card Reader. The Post Office also sells the a reader to make things "easier". I suspect they take a piece of the action. :-) :-) And require a Windows machine to use it? Personally. I'd look for a different bank. Here the bank just gives you the card reader when you open an account. We have accounts at other banks. But the P O account is tied into paying house taxes, electric bill, gas bill and others. Too much of a pain to change. -- Remind me to ignore comments which aren't germane to the thread. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
GRUB_DEFAULT entry
grub seems to now ignore the settings in /etc/default/grub. What is needed to restore the function of setting a specific boot option? ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Windows 11 VMs
On Tue, 2021-07-06 at 20:22 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 06/07/2021 20:08, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > It's annoying when banks decide to "improve" security by requiring > > their customers to use a specific platform rather than a general > > standard. All banks here use smartcards but the personal terminal > > is > > just an offline card reader with a display. > > It is only the Post Office Bank here that requires the Smart Card > Reader. The Post Office > also sells the a reader to make things "easier". I suspect they take > a piece of the action. > :-) :-) And require a Windows machine to use it? Personally. I'd look for a different bank. Here the bank just gives you the card reader when you open an account. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Windows 11 VMs
On 06/07/2021 20:08, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: It's annoying when banks decide to "improve" security by requiring their customers to use a specific platform rather than a general standard. All banks here use smartcards but the personal terminal is just an offline card reader with a display. It is only the Post Office Bank here that requires the Smart Card Reader. The Post Office also sells the a reader to make things "easier". I suspect they take a piece of the action. :-) :-) -- Remind me to ignore comments which aren't germane to the thread. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Windows 11 VMs
On Tue, 2021-07-06 at 19:21 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 06/07/2021 18:56, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Tue, 2021-07-06 at 14:34 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > > Patrick writes: > > > > > > > I think much depends on what the TPM is used for. Certainly > > > if the > > > > user takes care not to subvert the intention, it can > > > reasonably be > > > > used to ensure that only trusted software is run. > > > > > > "Pragmatically speaking ..." ;-) Seriously, I think TPM mostly > > > makes > > > sense with VMs. People who write programs are generally going to > > > be > > > very unhappy with the amount of kissing up to the TPM they have > > > to > > > do. > > > Like, on Mac every time LLVM releases a new version of the > > > debugger I > > > have to go through the self-signing dance. So far I have been > > > satisfied with the results every time (there really are new > > > features > > > or performance improvements), but it's infrequent enough that I > > > have > > > no memory of the procedure, let alone muscle memory. > > Indeed. I have no particular interest in TPM as such. My original > > question was aimed at anticipating possible issues with VMs and > > Windows > > 11 if I ever get round to installing it, but that seems to be > > resolved. > > > > Yes, I installed Windows 11 in a VM just fine with an emulated TPM. I > don't actually use > Windows all that much. But, for what I use it Windows 11 does seem > to do it better. > I only use it mainly for the WebATM of the Taiwan Post Office Bank. > In Windows 10 I had to get the > sequence just right for plugging in the USB smart card reader and > inserting my bank > card. > > Still sucks that the Post Office doesn't support Linux. :-( It's annoying when banks decide to "improve" security by requiring their customers to use a specific platform rather than a general standard. All banks here use smartcards but the personal terminal is just an offline card reader with a display. oic ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Windows 11 VMs
On 06/07/2021 18:56, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2021-07-06 at 14:34 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Patrick writes: > I think much depends on what the TPM is used for. Certainly if the > user takes care not to subvert the intention, it can reasonably be > used to ensure that only trusted software is run. "Pragmatically speaking ..." ;-) Seriously, I think TPM mostly makes sense with VMs. People who write programs are generally going to be very unhappy with the amount of kissing up to the TPM they have to do. Like, on Mac every time LLVM releases a new version of the debugger I have to go through the self-signing dance. So far I have been satisfied with the results every time (there really are new features or performance improvements), but it's infrequent enough that I have no memory of the procedure, let alone muscle memory. Indeed. I have no particular interest in TPM as such. My original question was aimed at anticipating possible issues with VMs and Windows 11 if I ever get round to installing it, but that seems to be resolved. Yes, I installed Windows 11 in a VM just fine with an emulated TPM. I don't actually use Windows all that much. But, for what I use it Windows 11 does seem to do it better. I only use it mainly for the WebATM of the Taiwan Post Office Bank. In Windows 10 I had to get the sequence just right for plugging in the USB smart card reader and inserting my bank card. Still sucks that the Post Office doesn't support Linux. :-( -- Remind me to ignore comments which aren't germane to the thread. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Windows 11 VMs
On Tue, 2021-07-06 at 14:34 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Patrick writes: > > > I think much depends on what the TPM is used for. Certainly if the > > user takes care not to subvert the intention, it can reasonably be > > used to ensure that only trusted software is run. > > "Pragmatically speaking ..." ;-) Seriously, I think TPM mostly makes > sense with VMs. People who write programs are generally going to be > very unhappy with the amount of kissing up to the TPM they have to > do. > Like, on Mac every time LLVM releases a new version of the debugger I > have to go through the self-signing dance. So far I have been > satisfied with the results every time (there really are new features > or performance improvements), but it's infrequent enough that I have > no memory of the procedure, let alone muscle memory. Indeed. I have no particular interest in TPM as such. My original question was aimed at anticipating possible issues with VMs and Windows 11 if I ever get round to installing it, but that seems to be resolved. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Windows 11 VMs
On 6/7/21 20:33, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2021-07-06 at 19:42 +1000, Stephen Morris wrote: Is this directly on the hardware or in a VM? If the former, it would appear to be a bug. If the latter, presumably the VM is emulating the TPM. Windows is Windows 10 and it is native, I boot the machine into Windows 10. Fedora is running inside a Vmware Player Vm hosted on the Windows 10 machine the screenshot is from. That would indicate that the hardware does have TPM but that the VM isn't detecting it, possibly because it hasn't been configured in VMware. In my case the host is Linux and the guest is Windows. The host doesn't have hardware TPM but the guest (using QEMU/KVM) is emulating it. I don't know what the screenshot shows. I don't see anything related to TPM. Sorry, I thought the "TPM Manufacturer Section" of the TPM output was indicating there was a TPM when it indicated the version. Maybe I don't actually have the hardware. regards, Steve poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: DNF not Installing all Updates?
On 5/7/21 21:51, Stephen Morris wrote: On 1/7/21 19:55, Stephen Morris wrote: On 29/6/21 07:37, old sixpack13 wrote: On 28/6/21 10:18, Ed Greshko wrote: I usually ignore the "nothing to do" situation as well and just issue the command again the next time I'm ready to put on updates again. It is a bit disconcerting though when Discover reports there being, in my case 638MB of Fedora System Updates as opposed to application updates, right from the first boot of F34 after a fresh install, and that calculation of how many updates are available never changes irrespective of how many updates are applied by dnf and how often. I've had F34 installed in the vm for probably around 6 months, and Discover has never stopped reporting 638MB of System Updates until I actually put them on. regards, Steve what happens when you do in an terminal: sudo flatpak update and afterwards in your "software center" (discovery ?) a refresh/new search for updates ??? I've seen similar about "~600 MB platform update" which stuck somehow on F34/F33 (?) the above fixed it I ran sudo flatpak update in the terminal and opened discover after the update finished and Discover said it had 129 updates to be applied. I check dnf and it said it had 124 package updates and 4 installs, which I applied. After rebooting Discover still said it had 34 updates to put on, which are below. Sorry, it looks like I forgot to add the screenshot, I'll try it again the next time I'm doing an update. I ran a sudo flatpak update again and ran Discover and it said there were 38 updates, and sudo dnf upgrade said there were 38 updates. When I put on all the updates with dnf and rebooted the vm, Discover said everything was up-to-date. I guess I'll just have to keep an eye on it and see what happens. regards, Steve regards, Steve regards, Steve ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Windows 11 VMs
On Tue, 2021-07-06 at 19:42 +1000, Stephen Morris wrote: > > Is this directly on the hardware or in a VM? If the former, it > > would > > appear to be a bug. If the latter, presumably the VM is emulating > > the > > TPM. > Windows is Windows 10 and it is native, I boot the machine into > Windows > 10. Fedora is running inside a Vmware Player Vm hosted on the Windows > 10 > machine the screenshot is from. That would indicate that the hardware does have TPM but that the VM isn't detecting it, possibly because it hasn't been configured in VMware. In my case the host is Linux and the guest is Windows. The host doesn't have hardware TPM but the guest (using QEMU/KVM) is emulating it. I don't know what the screenshot shows. I don't see anything related to TPM. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Python libraries problem with F34
On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 at 23:37, Frederic Muller wrote: > On 7/6/21 3:34 AM, Barry wrote: > > Hi and thank you! > > Actually Felix from the devel list 'smelled' the issue right away: I install > libraries through pip without a virtual environment. I should either used rpm > packages or create venv and use pip for that environment. > > It’s fine to install packages with pip install —user. Use of venv is very > useful, but not mandatory. > > Barry > > Actually it's not. That's what I do all the time. Rather than copying the > explanation, I'll point whoever is interested into the explanations and the > resolution *it seems to be a very common problem users are facing > apparently*: > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/de...@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/JNBGOXQ73P6VSOWYHGRT7T2IMMJ7RPSD/ > > Thank you all for the help. > Thanks for the followup. I use a NASA command-line batch processing package that just came out with a new version. They replaced most of the shell scripts with python, which has been generating problem reports, many related to "requests", so it is indeed a very common problem. Too many linux users are doing "sudo pip install ...". I'm beginning to think Google should downgrade search hits that contain "sudo" and also add a "potentially unsafe" warning to such links. -- George N. White III ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Windows 11 VMs
On 6/7/21 00:02, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2021-07-05 at 21:42 +1000, Stephen Morris wrote: On 4/7/21 07:16, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2021-07-03 at 22:05 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Just have to add the tpm device to your vm using virsh. I'll have to give that a try. My Win10 VM doesn't have that device. Oh, I'd never noticed. It is in virt-manager "add hardware" section. You're right. Even better. Just tried it using the default settings and it worked. After booting Windows 10, type 'tpm' into a Windows Shell (admin) instance and it confirms the module exists. Interesting, the windows command you have listed indicates that I have an AMD V2.0 tpm, which I assume is in the ryzen cpu, but Fedora via journalctl | grep -i tpm tells me a tpm doesn't exist. Is this directly on the hardware or in a VM? If the former, it would appear to be a bug. If the latter, presumably the VM is emulating the TPM. Windows is Windows 10 and it is native, I boot the machine into Windows 10. Fedora is running inside a Vmware Player Vm hosted on the Windows 10 machine the screenshot is from. From the screenshot in the attachment I assume it is telling me that under Windows 10 it is finding a tpm, is that correct? regards, Steve poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: downloading a complete web page without using a browser...
On 2021-07-05 10:30 p.m., Thomas Stephen Lee wrote: On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 12:26 PM Samuel Sieb wrote: On 2021-07-03 8:02 p.m., dwoody5...@gmail.com wrote: the url I am trying to download does not have an extension ie. no '.htm' such as: https://my.acbl.org/club-results/details/338288 wget does not download the correct web page. I tried it and it worked, sort of. The problem is that you want to download everything to view it offline, but the site my.acbl.org has a robots.txt that says "no robots allowed". So wget respects that and will not download any required files from that site other than the initial page. curl probably has the same issue. ___ for wget https://gist.github.com/u0d7i/87aa962311f2a7c739aa Ok, that solves it. I was able to download everything and opening the resulting file in Firefox didn't have any network access. I was able to see the entire page and even interact with it somewhat. wget -e robots=off -EHkp https://my.acbl.org/club-results/details/338288 ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
