Re: Possible to uninstall wayland on Fedora 34? google is failing me....

2021-11-08 Thread Joe Zeff 

On 11/9/21 12:11 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:

Why don't you give it a try on a KDE system and see what you're left with?


In order to do that, I'd first have to install KDE.  And, if all of 
those dependencies are being used by KDE, dnf shouldn't remove them, right?

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Re: Possible to uninstall wayland on Fedora 34? google is failing me....

2021-11-08 Thread Ed Greshko 

On 09/11/2021 15:08, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 11/8/21 11:55 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

The "problem" is that dependencies will, if you use the conventional dnf 
commands, will take the
plasma X11 stuff with it.


Only if they're not being used by anything else, and if that's true, it's not a 
problem, is it?


Why don't you give it a try on a KDE system and see what you're left with?

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Re: Possible to uninstall wayland on Fedora 34? google is failing me....

2021-11-08 Thread Joe Zeff 

On 11/8/21 11:55 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
The "problem" is that dependencies will, if you use the conventional dnf 
commands, will take the

plasma X11 stuff with it.


Only if they're not being used by anything else, and if that's true, 
it's not a problem, is it?

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Re: Possible to uninstall wayland on Fedora 34? google is failing me....

2021-11-08 Thread Ed Greshko 

On 09/11/2021 07:47, Go Canes wrote:

I thought I had seen information on how to uninstall wayland from
Fedora 34 - not just switch between xorg and wayland, but actually
remove the packages.  But my google searches are coming up empty.

Is there a way to remove the wayland packages?  I don't expect to be
attempting to live in a wayland world until Fedora 35 (if then).  I
know I could leave the packages in-place and ignore them, but my
preference is to remove them.

FWIW, KDE Plasma on Fedora 34.


What do you think you'll gain by disabling wayland?

The "problem" is that dependencies will, if you use the conventional dnf 
commands, will take the
plasma X11 stuff with it.

So, are you thinking you'll gain space?  Or, do you just want the option of "Plasma 
Wayland" to
be gone?

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Possible to uninstall wayland on Fedora 34? google is failing me....

2021-11-08 Thread Go Canes 
I thought I had seen information on how to uninstall wayland from
Fedora 34 - not just switch between xorg and wayland, but actually
remove the packages.  But my google searches are coming up empty.

Is there a way to remove the wayland packages?  I don't expect to be
attempting to live in a wayland world until Fedora 35 (if then).  I
know I could leave the packages in-place and ignore them, but my
preference is to remove them.

FWIW, KDE Plasma on Fedora 34.
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fedora 35 cura bug? Or pythin bug?

2021-11-08 Thread Tom Horsley 
Tried to 3D print something for the first time since switching
to fedora 35, and cura complains about not being able to convert
a python float to a C++ int then the print percentage displayed
on the screen becomes something like -50%.

I'll have to try a different model to see if it always happens, or
is something specific to just this one.

In any case, it keeps printing OK, just popping up the same error
dialog several times. The final print even came out OK.
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Re: F35 - audio a bit mixed up

2021-11-08 Thread John Horne 
On Mon, 2021-11-08 at 15:45 -0500, Frank McCormick wrote:
>
>
> On 2021-11-08 13:33, John Horne wrote:
> >
> >
> > I carried out an online upgrade of my laptop a couple of days ago from F34
> > to F35. No problems with that, and all seemed to be okay. However, today I
> > noticed that audio was not working, or partially working for some things
> > (Zoom audio in particular seemed to fail completely).
> >
> > I noticed the previous list messages about swapping pulseaudio for
> > pipewire, but this seemed to make no difference. I have tried changing
> > settings, but no joy. So could someone who has audio working okay under F35
> > run some command-line checks for me please:
> >
> > 1) run: rpm -qa | grep -iE 'pulse|pipe'
> > (so I can see that I have the right packages installed)
> >
> > 2) (as the logged in user) run: ps auxww | grep -iE 'pulse|pipe'
> > (so I can see that I have the right processes running)
> >
> > 3) run: systemctl list-units --type=service --user | grep -iE 'pulse|pipe'
> > (so I can see that the correct services are running)
> >
> >
>
> [frank@fedora ~]$ rpm -qa | grep -iE 'pulse|pipe'
> libpipeline-1.5.3-3.fc35.x86_64
> pulseaudio-libs-15.0-2.fc35.x86_64
> pulseaudio-libs-glib2-15.0-2.fc35.x86_64
> pipewire-0.3.39-1.fc35.x86_64
> pipewire-libs-0.3.39-1.fc35.x86_64
> pipewire-alsa-0.3.39-1.fc35.x86_64
> pipewire-gstreamer-0.3.39-1.fc35.x86_64
> pipewire-jack-audio-connection-kit-0.3.39-1.fc35.x86_64
> pipewire-pulseaudio-0.3.39-1.fc35.x86_64
> pipewire-utils-0.3.39-1.fc35.x86_64
>
> [frank@fedora ~]$
> [frank@fedora ~]$ ps auxww | grep -iE 'pulse|pipe'
> frank961  0.0  0.2 264836 10904 ?S /usr/bin/pipewire
> frank   1160  0.0  0.1 236948  6828 ?S /usr/bin/pipewire-pulse
> frank   1599  0.0  0.0 221792  2308 pts/0S+   15:44   0:00 grep
> --color=auto -iE pulse|pipe
>
> [frank@fedora ~]$
> [frank@fedora ~]$ systemctl list-units --type=service --user | grep -iE
> 'pulse|pipe'
>pipewire-pulse.service loaded
> active running PipeWire PulseAudio
>pipewire.service   loaded
> active running PipeWire Multimedia Service
> [frank@fedora ~]$
> ___
>
Thanks for that. Your output is the same as mine, except that I had the 'kde-
settings-pulseaudio', 'pipewire0.2-libs' and 'pulseaudio-utils' packages
installed as well. I have now removed them, but that made no difference.

I'll check further in logs to see if there are any errors/warnings, otherwise I
may see if I can revert back to just pulseaudio.



John.

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Re: F35 - audio a bit mixed up

2021-11-08 Thread Frank McCormick 



On 2021-11-08 13:33, John Horne wrote:

Hello,

I carried out an online upgrade of my laptop a couple of days ago from F34 to
F35. No problems with that, and all seemed to be okay. However, today I noticed
that audio was not working, or partially working for some things (Zoom audio in
particular seemed to fail completely).

I noticed the previous list messages about swapping pulseaudio for pipewire,
but this seemed to make no difference. I have tried changing settings, but no
joy. So could someone who has audio working okay under F35 run some command-
line checks for me please:

1) run: rpm -qa | grep -iE 'pulse|pipe'
(so I can see that I have the right packages installed)

2) (as the logged in user) run: ps auxww | grep -iE 'pulse|pipe'
(so I can see that I have the right processes running)

3) run: systemctl list-units --type=service --user | grep -iE 'pulse|pipe'
(so I can see that the correct services are running)



Thanks,

John.


[frank@fedora ~]$ rpm -qa | grep -iE 'pulse|pipe'
libpipeline-1.5.3-3.fc35.x86_64
pulseaudio-libs-15.0-2.fc35.x86_64
pulseaudio-libs-glib2-15.0-2.fc35.x86_64
pipewire-0.3.39-1.fc35.x86_64
pipewire-libs-0.3.39-1.fc35.x86_64
pipewire-alsa-0.3.39-1.fc35.x86_64
pipewire-gstreamer-0.3.39-1.fc35.x86_64
pipewire-jack-audio-connection-kit-0.3.39-1.fc35.x86_64
pipewire-pulseaudio-0.3.39-1.fc35.x86_64
pipewire-utils-0.3.39-1.fc35.x86_64

[frank@fedora ~]$
[frank@fedora ~]$ ps auxww | grep -iE 'pulse|pipe'
frank    961  0.0  0.2 264836 10904 ?    S/usr/bin/pipewire
frank   1160  0.0  0.1 236948  6828 ?    S/usr/bin/pipewire-pulse
frank   1599  0.0  0.0 221792  2308 pts/0    S+   15:44   0:00 grep 
--color=auto -iE pulse|pipe


[frank@fedora ~]$
[frank@fedora ~]$ systemctl list-units --type=service --user | grep -iE 
'pulse|pipe'
  pipewire-pulse.service loaded 
active running PipeWire PulseAudio
  pipewire.service   loaded 
active running PipeWire Multimedia Service

[frank@fedora ~]$
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Re: dnf: "No match for group"?

2021-11-08 Thread Matthew Miller 
On Sun, Nov 07, 2021 at 08:13:27PM -0800, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> I think it's because of packages that have been removed from the
> distro, but are still included in the groups.  Maybe the warning
> message was added recently.  The group definitions need to be
> cleaned up.

Yeah, this. I think probably also that message should be moved to be a debug
warning rather than shown by default, because it's really a distro task (or
maybe sysadmin one, if you're making your own repos and comps groups), and
not generally helpful to end-users. I notice a lot of forum posts asking
about this message when of course really the issue is whatever _actual_
error is listed after.

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Re: boot hangs post fedora 33 upgrade | start job running for /dev/xvda1 (20min 33s/no limit) | Tips? I can boot fedora32

2021-11-08 Thread old sixpack13 
> My notes: https://zq3q.org/fp/fed32-33ug-boothang.htm
> 
> --
> thanks,
> Tom | Milwaukee WI
> 
> Snipped, markdown version of above notes:

there was a thread in this (? or test) mailing list on this topic in Sept/Aug

in the past I've seen a box where by an kernel upgrade (F33 => F34 ?) no 
modules where installed (maybe your case)
tried to run the F32 kernel ?

debugging:
https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/

mid page => "Debugging systemd Problems" 
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F35 - audio a bit mixed up

2021-11-08 Thread John Horne 
Hello,

I carried out an online upgrade of my laptop a couple of days ago from F34 to
F35. No problems with that, and all seemed to be okay. However, today I noticed
that audio was not working, or partially working for some things (Zoom audio in
particular seemed to fail completely).

I noticed the previous list messages about swapping pulseaudio for pipewire,
but this seemed to make no difference. I have tried changing settings, but no
joy. So could someone who has audio working okay under F35 run some command-
line checks for me please:

1) run: rpm -qa | grep -iE 'pulse|pipe'
(so I can see that I have the right packages installed)

2) (as the logged in user) run: ps auxww | grep -iE 'pulse|pipe'
(so I can see that I have the right processes running)

3) run: systemctl list-units --type=service --user | grep -iE 'pulse|pipe'
(so I can see that the correct services are running)



Thanks,

John.

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Re: boot hangs post fedora 33 upgrade | start job running for /dev/xvda1 (20min 33s/no limit) | Tips? I can boot fedora32

2021-11-08 Thread Doug Herr 
On Mon, Nov 8, 2021, at 8:44 AM, Doug Herr wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021, at 7:01 AM, Tom R wrote:
>> My notes: https://zq3q.org/fp/fed32-33ug-boothang.htm
>
>> Snipped, markdown version of above notes:
>>
>> ## Subject: boot hangs after fedora 33 upgrade 
>
> I would seriously consider upgrading to F34 since F33 is no longer 
> supported.

Ack. My bad, it is still supported. 

I find:

"Fedora Linux 33 EOL auto closure   Tue 2021-11-30"

So, yes, I think it would make more sense to try fixing this before going to 
F34, but would still be planning for that soon.
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Re: boot hangs post fedora 33 upgrade | start job running for /dev/xvda1 (20min 33s/no limit) | Tips? I can boot fedora32

2021-11-08 Thread Doug Herr 
On Mon, Nov 8, 2021, at 7:01 AM, Tom R wrote:
> My notes: https://zq3q.org/fp/fed32-33ug-boothang.htm

> Snipped, markdown version of above notes:
>
> ## Subject: boot hangs after fedora 33 upgrade 

I would seriously consider upgrading to F34 since F33 is no longer supported.
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boot hangs post fedora 33 upgrade | start job running for /dev/xvda1 (20min 33s/no limit) | Tips? I can boot fedora32

2021-11-08 Thread Milwaukee WI 
My notes: https://zq3q.org/fp/fed32-33ug-boothang.htm

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Snipped, markdown version of above notes:

## Subject: boot hangs after fedora 33 upgrade | start job is running for 
/dev/xvda1 (20min 33s / no limit) | Tips pls? I can boot fedora32.

```

What do you suggest I do?  I am able to boot the fedora 32 kernel.

How might I cleanup and revert to the preupgrade state -- then 
should try skipping over fedora33, and try upgrading to fedora34?

---
I attempted a fedora32 to fedora33 upgrade on host
"kvxgvo-2" which is a xen vps hosted by prgmr.com.

"kvxgvo-2":

Virtualization mode: HVM
Memory: 2048 MiB
VCPUs: 1
Total disk: 24.0 GiB
[...]
Last installed OS: Fedora 32 - 64 bit
Boot option: Disk
Live migration: enabled

https://wiki.prgmr.com/mediawiki/index.php/PV_and_HVM_Virtualization

The fedora upgrade went normally until it tried to boot the new fedora 33 
kernel:

[  OK  ] Started Show Plymouth Boot Screen.
[  OK  ] Started Forward Password R…s to Plymouth Directory Watch.
[  OK  ] Reached target Paths.
[  OK  ] Reached target Basic System.
[* ] A start job is running for /dev/xvda1 (20min 33s / no limit)
| **hangs here!!**

Bash command/dnf upgrade steps, and log snips on 211102 (Nov 2 2021):

--8<---cut here---start->8---
# 07:23:59 Tue 211102 1j 4 716032 124/1024 /etc
# hz root # dnf -y --refresh upgrade
Fedora 32 openh264 (From Cisco) - x86_64
  
5.5 kB/s | 990  B 00:00
Fedora Modular 32 - x86_64  
  
119 kB/s |  12 kB 00:00
Fedora Modular 32 - x86_64 - Updates
  
115 kB/s |  11 kB 00:00
Fedora 32 - x86_64 - Updates
  
117 kB/s |  11 kB 00:00
Fedora 32 - x86_64  
  
109 kB/s |  12 kB 00:00
Dependencies resolved.
Nothing to do.
Complete!
# 07:30:34 Tue 211102 1j 4 716032 -/- /etc
# hz root # _H
[...]
  112  03/06/2021 06:58:01 AM systemctl status httpd
  113  11/02/2021 07:18:59 AM dnf update
  114  11/02/2021 07:30:30 AM dnf -y --refresh upgrade
  115  11/02/2021 07:30:58 AM _H
# 07:31:29 Tue 211102 1j 4 716032 119/1024 /etc
# hz root #
[...]
09:56:26 Tue 211102 # dnf install dnf-plugin-system-upgrade
[...]

09:58:43 Tue 211102 # date;shutdown -r now
Tue 02 Nov 2021 09:58:43 AM CDT
[...]
10:03:18 Tue 211102 # set -eux; RELNUMNEW=33; date; dnf -y system-upgrade 
download --allowerasing --releasever=$RELNUMNEW
Tue 02 Nov 2021 10:07:08 AM CDT
+ RELNUMNEW=33
+ dnf -y system-upgrade download --allowerasing --releasever=33
Fedora 33 openh264 (From Cisco) - x86_64
  
5.2 kB/s | 2.5 kB 00:00
Fedora Modular 33 - x86_64  
   
15 MB/s | 3.3 MB 00:00
[...]
Fedora 33 - x86_64 - Updates
  
1.6 MB/s | 1.6 kB 00:00
Importing GPG key 0x9570FF31:
 Userid : "Fedora (33) "
 Fingerprint: 963A 2BEB 0200 9608 FE67 EA42 49FD 7749 9570 FF31
 From   : /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-33-x86_64
Key imported successfully
Running transaction check
Transaction check succeeded.
Running transaction test
Transaction test succeeded.
Complete!
Transaction saved to 
/var/lib/dnf/system-upgrade/system-upgrade-transaction.json.
Download complete! Use 'dnf system-upgrade reboot' to start the upgrade.
To remove cached metadata and transaction use 'dnf system-upgrade clean'
The downloaded packages were saved in cache until the next successful 
transaction.
You can remove cached packages by executing 'dnf clean packages'.

10:09:37 Tue 211102 hz root # dnf system-upgrade reboot
[...]
| I logged into the console, expecting the upgrade and reboot was done...
[...]
[  OK  ] Reached target System Initialization.
 Starting Mark boot as indeterminate...
[  OK  ] Finished Mark boot as indeterminate.
[  OK  ] Reached target Offline System Update (Pre).
 Starting System Upgrade using DNF...
[   14.932965] dnf[369]: Last metadata expiration check: 0:05:17 ago on Tue 02 
Nov 2021 10:07:23 AM CDT.
Starting system upgrade. This will take a while.
[   21.537681] dnf[369]: Dependencies

Re: Victory over GTK!

2021-11-08 Thread cen 
I've read this email completely randomly from the list and all I got to 
say is that I respect this kind of dedication. :)


On 5. 11. 21 14:47, Tom Horsley wrote:

I mentioned the only annoying thing I wasn't able to fix
in fedora 35 was the selected colors of folders and messages
in claws-mail. Black letters with dark blue background, almost
impossible to read.

I used gimp to pick the color from a screen shot and determined
that the dark blue was #3584e4, so I (eventually) searched for
that string in /usr/lib64/libgtk-3.so.0.2404.26 and got a gazillion
hits (it seems to be a very popular blue), but one of them
was this string:

.gtkstyle-fallback:selected { color: #ff; background-color: #3584e4; }

So I stuck that same string in my ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css file
and changed #3584e4 to #bddafc

And now, to my amazement, I have a nice light powder blue selection
instead of a text obscuring dark blue.

Victory at last! (And I won't go blind trying to read my mail).
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