Re: Slack dropping Fedora support

[Sam Varshavchik]

Michael D. Setzer II via users writes:


Wonder if they understand that Fedora is the leading
platform for Redhat future development. So, are they just
looking at Fedora as a separate environment without
understanding that it will probable be in future Redhat
and probable other distros of Linux.

Probable some admin that knows nothing about the real
world environment..


Or, someone who does. RHEL/CentOS is losing mindshare in the real world,  
because of CentOS's switch to rolling releases. $dayjob$ has been a CentOS  
shop for decades, heavily virtualized. The first baby steps have now been  
taken, with several small projects now getting built on Ubuntu-based VMs.  
There was an announcement made earlier this year that their long term  
technology direction is to migrate all products to Ubuntu LTS. I doubt that  
the $dayjob$ is somehow unique or unusual, but I believe they're a pretty  
good representative sample of what commercial Linux-based shops are doing.


Slack's decision does not surprise me.


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Re: Slack dropping Fedora support

[Tom Horsley]

On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:24:57 -0600
Chris Adams wrote:

> That's probably why more are
> going to Flatpak and/or Snap for distribution

Appimage is another technique I've encountered. I'm running the
new cura 12.0 via an appimage file now.
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Re: Slack dropping Fedora support

[Chris Adams]

Proprietary applications tend to have trouble with the wide variety of
Linux distributions and their variance.  That's probably why more are
going to Flatpak and/or Snap for distribution, to be able to distribute
a single image that runs on Linux.  Those also have an advantage of
running applications in a limited-access sandbox (so you don't have to
trust the proprietay applications as much).

It does look like Slack has an official Snap distribution, so that's an
alternative to their RPM/yum repo.

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Re: Slack dropping Fedora support

[Michael D. Setzer II via users]

Wonder if they understand that Fedora is the leading 
platform for Redhat future development. So, are they just 
looking at Fedora as a separate environment without 
understanding that it will probable be in future Redhat 
and probable other distros of Linux.

Probable some admin that knows nothing about the real 
world environment..


On 14 Nov 2021 at 17:27, John Westerdale wrote:

From:   John Westerdale 
Date sent:  Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:27:02 -0500
Subject:Re: Slack dropping Fedora support
To: Community support for Fedora users 
Send reply to:  Community support for Fedora users 


> 
> Got this from Slack.
> 
> Fedora users represented a very small number of our user base. In order to 
> ensure we're able to deliver the 
> best possible experience for the largest number of users, it is necessary 
> forSlack to focus our efforts and 
> narrow our scope. Given the small number of users, we were no longer able to 
> justify the cost of 
> supporting Fedora.
> When Fedora is deprecated, you'll still be able to accessSlackbut eventually 
> your experience may 
> degrade over time as you won't be able to update your app. Eventually, the 
> last app version available to 
> Fedora users will be deprecated as well.
> Here's a bit more about what to expect and the deprecation:
> https:// 
> slack.com/help/articles/150026321-Slack-deprecation-policy-for-app-versions-browsers-and-operati
> ng-systems#desktop-1 
> 
> On Sun, Nov 14, 2021, 5:21 PM Samuel Sieb  wrote:
> On 11/14/21 10:07, SternData wrote:
> > This just popped up on Slack: "Note: Starting March 
> 1, 2022, Slack will 
> > no longer support Fedora Linux distributions."
> > 
> > Anyone know what's going on? And maybe interested 
> in engaging them on 
> > Twitter @slackhq to ask for reconsideration?
> 
> There was a thread about this on the devel list:
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/de...@lists.fe
> doraproject.org/thread/DXS2A7C5RDW2DQYSJWZUD57
> VXVPKV6AD/#HZSOTA7GA3DQRQ3IRNZESCPZCQZP2
> KYU 
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Re: Flatpack apps & ABRT - ?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 11/14/21 03:02, lejeczek via users wrote:

Hi guys.

I want to ask if you have your app as Flatpak and if/when it crashes - 
does your ABRT work for such crashes?


I have Microsoft Teams crash (too often) and ABRT does not seem to able 
to do much for that, it says each time:


What do you think abrt should be able to do with that?  It's not a 
Fedora app, it's not even open source.  What symbols would it use to 
decode it and where would it report to?

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Re: Slack dropping Fedora support

[Clifford Snow]

This is really unfortunate. I'm part of a large US OpenStreetMap community
on Slack. I'm also on OSM groups on Forums, Telegram and was on Discord.
None are designed to support large diverse communities. Note we are going
to create an instance of Discourse.

But obviously even if the community were to drop Slack, Slack probably
wouldn't care. But it does provide reinforcement to those that won't use
proprietary systems. It will likely drive me there as well.

Clifford

On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 2:27 PM John Westerdale  wrote:

> Got this from Slack.
>
> Fedora users represented a very small number of our user base. In order to
> ensure we're able to deliver the best possible experience for the largest
> number of users, it is necessary for Slack to focus our efforts and
> narrow our scope. Given the small number of users, we were no longer able
> to justify the cost of supporting Fedora.
>
> When Fedora is deprecated, you'll still be able to access Slack but
> eventually your experience may degrade over time as you won't be able to
> update your app. Eventually, the last app version available to Fedora users
> will be deprecated as well.
>
> Here's a bit more about what to expect and the deprecation:
> https://slack.com/help/articles/150026321-Slack
> -deprecation-policy-for-app-versions-browsers-and-operating-systems#desktop-1
>
> On Sun, Nov 14, 2021, 5:21 PM Samuel Sieb  wrote:
>
>> On 11/14/21 10:07, SternData wrote:
>> > This just popped up on Slack:  "Note: Starting March 1, 2022, Slack
>> will
>> > no longer support Fedora Linux distributions."
>> >
>> > Anyone know what's going on?  And maybe interested in engaging them on
>> > Twitter @slackhq to ask for reconsideration?
>>
>> There was a thread about this on the devel list:
>>
>> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/de...@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/DXS2A7C5RDW2DQYSJWZUD57VXVPKV6AD/#HZSOTA7GA3DQRQ3IRNZESCPZCQZP2KYU
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Re: Slack dropping Fedora support

[John Westerdale]

Got this from Slack.

Fedora users represented a very small number of our user base. In order to
ensure we're able to deliver the best possible experience for the largest
number of users, it is necessary for Slack to focus our efforts and narrow
our scope. Given the small number of users, we were no longer able to
justify the cost of supporting Fedora.

When Fedora is deprecated, you'll still be able to access Slack but
eventually your experience may degrade over time as you won't be able to
update your app. Eventually, the last app version available to Fedora users
will be deprecated as well.

Here's a bit more about what to expect and the deprecation:
https://slack.com/help/articles/150026321-Slack
-deprecation-policy-for-app-versions-browsers-and-operating-systems#desktop-1

On Sun, Nov 14, 2021, 5:21 PM Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> On 11/14/21 10:07, SternData wrote:
> > This just popped up on Slack:  "Note: Starting March 1, 2022, Slack will
> > no longer support Fedora Linux distributions."
> >
> > Anyone know what's going on?  And maybe interested in engaging them on
> > Twitter @slackhq to ask for reconsideration?
>
> There was a thread about this on the devel list:
>
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/de...@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/DXS2A7C5RDW2DQYSJWZUD57VXVPKV6AD/#HZSOTA7GA3DQRQ3IRNZESCPZCQZP2KYU
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Re: Slack dropping Fedora support

[Samuel Sieb]

On 11/14/21 10:07, SternData wrote:
This just popped up on Slack:  "Note: Starting March 1, 2022, Slack will 
no longer support Fedora Linux distributions."


Anyone know what's going on?  And maybe interested in engaging them on 
Twitter @slackhq to ask for reconsideration?


There was a thread about this on the devel list:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/de...@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/DXS2A7C5RDW2DQYSJWZUD57VXVPKV6AD/#HZSOTA7GA3DQRQ3IRNZESCPZCQZP2KYU
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Re: Slack dropping Fedora support

[Richard]

> Date: Sunday, November 14, 2021 11:22:03 -0800
> From: Clifford Snow 
>
> I haven't seen anything on Slack indicating that the rpm will no
> longer be supported. Where did this notice pop up?
> 
> Their download page still has rpm downloads for Fedora. They also
> have snap packages. I haven't installed any snap packages since
> there was a warning of security issues with snap packages.

See the second grey box at:



and/or:



Browser support is listed further down the page at this second link,
so one can continue to use it that way.


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Re: Slack dropping Fedora support

[Clifford Snow]

On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 10:07 AM SternData 
wrote:

> This just popped up on Slack:  "Note: Starting March 1, 2022, Slack will
> no longer support Fedora Linux distributions."
>
> Anyone know what's going on?  And maybe interested in engaging them on
> Twitter @slackhq to ask for reconsideration?
>
> I haven't seen anything on Slack indicating that the rpm will no longer be
supported. Where did this notice pop up?

Their download page still has rpm downloads for Fedora. They also have snap
packages. I haven't installed any snap packages since there was a warning
of security issues with snap packages.

They also have a page [1] with new slack pubkeys. There are instructions
for two versions, 4.22 and above and 4.21 and below. I've never seen
anything except for 4.21.

[1]
https://slack.com/help/articles/115004809166-Verify-Slack-for-Linux--beta--package-signatures

Best,
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Re: Slack dropping Fedora support

[Tom Horsley]

On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 12:07:19 -0600
SternData wrote:

> Anyone know what's going on?  And maybe interested in engaging them on 
> Twitter @slackhq to ask for reconsideration?

Perhaps they finally figured out their fedora app is about 100
times more irritating than their web interface? :-). I tried the
app and switched to the web interface after about 2 days.
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Slack dropping Fedora support

[SternData]

This just popped up on Slack:  "Note: Starting March 1, 2022, Slack will 
no longer support Fedora Linux distributions."


Anyone know what's going on?  And maybe interested in engaging them on 
Twitter @slackhq to ask for reconsideration?



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Re: Simple home floor plan software?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2021-11-13 at 20:07 -0800, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 11/13/21 15:26, Chris Adams wrote:
> > I'd like to draw a floor plan of my house.  Nothing fancy, but I
> > want to
> > include all the electrical info (switches, outlets, lights, etc.)
> > so I
> > can map out and label the circuit each thing is on.
> > 
> > Any suggestions for something free on Linux for this?
> 
> http://www.sweethome3d.com/

I've used that. A bit clunky IMHO but it did the job.

poc
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Flatpack apps & ABRT - ?

[lejeczek via users]

Hi guys.

I want to ask if you have your app as Flatpak and if/when it 
crashes - does your ABRT work for such crashes?


I have Microsoft Teams crash (too often) and ABRT does not 
seem to able to do much for that, it says each time:


Processing failed.
...
..
and in its log:
--- Running report_uReport ---
Error: No segments found in coredump './coredump'
('report_uReport' exited with 1)

many thanks, L.
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Re: Booting F35 install from USB on Thinkpad X1 6th gen

[Frederic Muller]

On 11/14/21 14:27, George N. White III wrote:

On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 at 02:58, Frederic Muller  wrote:

Hi!

Trying to perform a fresh install of F35 on my (wife's) X1 Carbon 6th
gen and while it did work in the past with UEFI USB boot option
enabled
in Bios, it seems not to with F35.

I "burned" the usb as usual with livecd-iso-to-disk --format
--reset-mbr
Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-35-1.2.iso /dev/sdb1 but that doesn't
start at all and cycle within the Boot Bios selection. When I add
--efi
to it, it seems to boot but after stalling with a _ in the upper left
corner of the screen, goes back to the red Lenovo logo from
startup and
stays there.


Does anybody have any suggestion?



I used livecd-iso-to-disk ... 
Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-35-1.2.iso /dev/sdb1

but it didn't show up in my Dell desktop's list of boot devices.
Fedora Media Writer did produce a UEFI bootable USB "key".  I haven't 
had time

to examine the differences between the two.



Indeed that seems to be working (in progress so I guess it'll work).

Thank you!

Fred
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Re: Block mouse cursor in Win10 VM using Vinagre with KVM/QEMU

[Samuel Sieb]

On 11/11/21 09:40, Alex wrote:

Hi, I have a win10 VM guest on a f35 kvm host that was upgraded from
f34. When using Vinagre, my mouse cursor in the Win10 VM is a purple
block where it should be a pointer. It seems like the proper pointer
is there, but the area around the cursor is not formed properly, if
that makes sense. The mouse cursor is correct when using virt-manager.


Then that would indicate that the problem is with vinagre and you should 
file a bug with them.

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