amdgpu kernel module won't load
I have these installed: kernel-modules-5.18.19-200.fc36.x86_64 kernel-modules-5.19.16-200.fc36.x86_64 kernel-modules-5.19.17-200.fc36.x86_64 on: # inxi -Gxx Graphics: Device-1: AMD Kaveri [Radeon R7 Graphics] vendor: ASRock driver: amdgpu v: kernel arch: GCN-2 ports: active: DP-1,DVI-D-1,HDMI-A-1 empty: VGA-1 bus-ID: 00:01.0 chip-ID: 1002:130f Display: x11 server: X.org v: 1.20.14 driver: X: loaded: amdgpu unloaded: modesetting alternate: fbdev,vesa dri: radeonsi gpu: amdgpu producing while booted to either newer kernel in Xorg.0.log: # grep \(EE Xorg.0.log ... [18.020] (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory [18.020] (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory # ls -gG /dev/dr* ls: cannot access '/dev/dr*': No such file or directory # lsmod | egrep 'amd|eon|vid' | sort amdgpu 8544256 0 drm_display_helper172032 2 amdgpu,radeon drm_ttm_helper 16384 2 amdgpu,radeon edac_mce_amd 40960 0 gpu_sched 49152 1 amdgpu iommu_v2 24576 1 amdgpu radeon 1654784 0 ttm90112 3 amdgpu,radeon,drm_ttm_helper video 61440 0 # dmesg | grep aile | egrep 'amd|eon' [4.839738] amdgpu :00:01.0: Direct firmware load for amdgpu/kaveri_pfp.bin failed with error -2 [4.839743] amdgpu: gfx7: Failed to load firmware "amdgpu/kaveri_pfp.bin" [4.839744] [drm:gfx_v7_0_sw_init.cold [amdgpu]] *ERROR* Failed to load gfx firmware! [4.840065] [drm:amdgpu_device_init.cold [amdgpu]] *ERROR* sw_init of IP block failed -2 [4.840322] amdgpu :00:01.0: amdgpu: amdgpu_device_ip_init failed [4.840480] amdgpu: probe of :00:01.0 failed with error -2 # rpm -qa | grep mwar amd-gpu-firmware-20221012-141.fc36.noarch linux-firmware-20221012-141.fc36.noarch linux-firmware-whence-20221012-141.fc36.noarch Various versions of linux-firmware, linux-firmware-whence and amd-gpu-firmware don't seem to have any impact on this. I tried going all the way back to July's linux-firmwar* and no amd-gpu-firmware. Using old kernel, all is good, while with newer kernels, nothing is possible except via remote login - no video, no keyboard. I reported similar trouble in Bugzilla month ago with much older Radeon: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2130843 Are others with GCN2 graphics having this trouble? -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: no sound
On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 21:18 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: > From what I've read, aplay fred.mp3 should work. > I get noise. On the chance that you don't have mp3 support, try an ogg or wav file. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.76.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed Aug 10 16:21:17 UTC 2022 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: no sound
On 10/25/2022 08:18 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: 'Twas the connection to the computer. I don't get back there very much. Movies talk to me now. On a side note, I go back a long way, and remember when most people were assuming that the issue had to be hardware, even when it was obvious (to me) that it was almost certainly software. Now, hardware is so reliable that most people never consider that it's at fault and keep trying to find a software solution that can't exist. I'm not saying that you should look at the hardware first, but don't ignore the possibility. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: no sound
On 10/25/2022 04:49 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: but do not understand why that would be indicative of a hardware issue. I suggested using aplay because it's a very basic program and doesn't try to do anything fancy. I figured that if it couldn't manage to produce sound, there was a good chance that it's hardware. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: no sound
On Tue, 25 Oct 2022, Mike Wright wrote: If you're getting hum there is a good chance one of your connectors is not seated properly or a cable is no good. I used to do sound. If there is hum you solve that first. That could also explain why there is no audio. Thanks much. 'Twas the connection to the computer. I don't get back there very much. Movies talk to me now. I found some mp3 files that firefox will play, but aplay just generates noise. From what I've read, aplay fred.mp3 should work. I get noise. I've tried -f MPEG , but that does not work either. For me, this is mostly curiosity. This is the first I've used aplay in a rather long time. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "I was just thinking about the life of a pumpkin. Grow up in the sun, happily entwined with others, and then someone comes along, cuts you open, and rips your guts out." -- Buffy ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
[Suspected Spam]Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
Patrick O'Callaghan writes: > People who interact with the forum via email will still have their own > copies. And current email archives can be altered just as easily > (though I don't know of any that do so). I don't know anybody who regularly retro-mods their archives for reasons of taste, but on the Mailman lists "how do I get this hazmat out of my archive" is a FAQ. It's a little inconvenient, but could easily be applied to retro-modding. Why? GDPR, for the obvious hors d'oeuvre. Then there's the occasional spam that makes it through. And unwary admins who strip and store attachments frequently later discover they contain malware or caches of stolen credentials, etc. If you allow download of mbox archives, stolen credentials can be hidden in message header fields that the web interface and user MUAs don't display. Steve ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Bugs in wine. Any alternatives?
On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 17:37:46 -0700 ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > In the case of Wine, I really do need to have it working. > > UNLESS I can find a subsitute. You have any suggestions? I've have never once gotten anything at all to work under wine. That's why I run a windows virtual machine :-). ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
Wolfgang Pfeiffer writes: On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 08:44:20PM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: I understand that the explanation for the migration away from mailing lists is that maintaining the mailing lists is a hassle and takes up too much resources. I'm suspicious of the veracity of that; [ ... ] I think it's also about control: Web based content can easily be deleted by moderators - whereas emails sent via a mailing list to their subscribers can stay in users' inboxes forever. Oooh! I think you're onto something. Remember all these past years when we were asked every now and then to "behave", to respect some "code of conduct"? If we're not nice in the future, our messages can just be deleted from the web interface. Yup. The hall monitors may not even be consciously aware, and are instinctively rejecting the free and open nature of mailing lists, and naturally gravitating towards, and displaying their preference for a controlled platform. It is true that one can get kicked off a mailing list, but that won't retroactively delete wrongspeech off independent third party mailing list archives. There are no third party archives of web forums. pgp5pR_hkRGrl.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Bugs in wine. Any alternatives?
On 10/25/22 13:30, Tim via users wrote: On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 10:55 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: Wine is the bad side of the open source model. Give the software away for free, then hold the user for ransom if they want the bugs fixed. Libre Office does the same thing. Fedroa does not and spoils all of us. In the past, if I'd posted any bug reports (on any software), it was virtually expected that I also supply the fix. Umm, no. That's what things like GIT are for, user-participation in program changes. Bugzilla is for user-participation in debugging. I have no qualms about doing follow-up tests and trying alternative recompiled files. But that was way too far. There was a certain attitude of: How dare you criticize us for adding yet another bug report to (the hundred prior reports) on something we haven't bothered to do anything about in 8 years. You're such a user for not contributing. Do you have any idea how hard it is to create this program? We don't consider that bug important enough (despite the years of lots of bug reports). You're not paying for my time. Hence why I started off saying "in the past." Naturally I stopped. Yes, you do need bug reports from users who aren't programmers. They've found bugs that you didn't. You can't expect everyone to learn how your program works internally, and understand your programming quirks. My programming days are ancient, pen and paper, writing mnemonics, looking up the op-codes, writing them down (*I* was the compiler), hand typing them into a programmer. And some basic (e.g. wrote a relational database in a language that really doesn't have what you need for that) and ARexx (wrote what was virtually a CRON daemon on a system that doesn't have one). That was back in the days of if you wanted to do anything, you wrote your own programs. But romping into a complex and ever evolving OS, and getting to grips with someone else's program, is diving into the deep end. And, yes, I understand that programmers time isn't valueless. But that isn't why you participate in open-source software. You got a free ride on this free OS, with a free compiler, and a free hundred other things that you're using. And then you do something that adds to that free system, in some way. Ordinary users contribute in other ways. As mentioned, they find bugs. But they also stop using Windows or Mac, and don't forget that the way one OS grows is by a reduction of the others. They advocate Linux to other users who've never heard of it, or have completely the wrong idea about what it is. They help people use the software, answer questions, write guides. Going back much further in the past, I participated in support lists for various Amiga software. In those lists, you had users who were programmers, who could directly help with fixes. You had users who understood the specs (HTML, email, whatever), that the programmer hadn't understood, who helped the programmers create the programs properly. And you had ordinary users who found other problems and they also help with fine-tuning the program. Some of that was freeware, shareware, and outright commercial. Good advice. I was staching one really stupid bug in Libre Offce for over eight years. I asked if anyone was working on it. The response I got back was "Feel free to submit a patch". I wrote back "Feel free to assign a developer to the bug". That actaully got them to fix it. I have slowed way down on bug reports to those projects that do not fix things. Wine Staging use to fix tons of stuff, but got gobbled up by Wine and that ended that. In the case of Wine, I really do need to have it working. UNLESS I can find a subsitute. You have any suggestions? ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Native Windows to qemu-kvm?
On 10/25/22 14:11, Greg Woods wrote: A problem you could run into doing this is licensing. WIndows uses a variety of methods to detect if a valid product key is being run on multiple machines, which includes some checks on the hardware. Since a virtual machine is never going to have virtual hardware that exactly matches your PC, there's a good chance that, even if you succeed in getting your native install to run under a hypervisor, Windows may well consider it an unlicensed copy. I recently had a Windows 10 VM that this happened to when I just upgraded Virtual Box, didn't touch the Windows VM at all. --Greg Hi Greg, My Windows 11 Pro VM is not licensed. It won't let me set up a screen saver or alter my wallpaper. I do not care. I only use it to research things for customers. It is not a very nice OS. W11 pulled the same thing you talk about where it only worked once with W10's key until I changed some virtual hardware, which I do all the time. On the bright wide, teh customer has an non-oem tag on the side of his computer. But the age of the computer bars me from running a VM anyway. And he readlly should get a new computer for what he wants to do anyway. -T At last count, I have 13 VM's set up. Some of them are for test ISO's and USB drives. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
On 25Oct2022 17:26, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: As Pete point out earlier, that doesn't mean it keeps working exactly as it does now. Read his post for details. To be clear, I mean the post I pointed to in the head item of this thread, i.e. https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2022-October/msg00276.html I'd mentioned that threading's fixed in current Discourse, but I though I'd take some of the other points in this post from my perspective (email user, long mailing list experience, likes email a lot). So, Pete Biggs wrote: As a mailing list replacement. = We have been told that we just need to login once to Discourse and set things up, then all interaction will be by email and we won't notice any difference. Really? What planet are they on? Discourse does try to present a decent email experience. It is not perfect, but I use email instead of the web forum almost all the time. No topic tags on emails. So no easy way to filter topics. If you watch more than one topic, all mails are the same. Discourse divides a forum into catgeories and topics. Categories are the various forum areas, and topics are discussions (the topic is the `Subject:` line). You can see the categories for the Python Discourse forum here: https://discuss.python.org/ You can filter on "topic" using the `Subject` header. You can filter on category using the `List-ID` header. For example, my mail filer uses this rule: python discuss-users list-id:/ to file messages in my "python" folder with the `X-Label` "discuss-users", which is presented in my folder index in my mail reader (mutt). Own posts not notified of. It removes context for a mailing list. I keep copies of mailing list posts as a sort of private archive - mainly so I can see what I've answered to queries before. That's gone. Annoying, agreed. I keep a copy of my message in the source folder locally for exactly this purose. But it's something my personal setup arranges, not Discourse. Slow or sporadic email notifications make discussion difficult. I've found these fairly good, myself. Notifications using the app? An open Discourse web page? Your mail system as the email version arrives? No or broken threading on emails. This one is so annoying. Doesn't any of the people who use Discourse use threading anywhere. Context is everything. As mentioned, now fixed. Plain text emails sent to Discourse have formatting mangled (white space isn't honoured). There's no point in nicely formatting plain text, it will be mangled. (These indents will be lost - if I sent it there.) Plain text messages are interpreted as Markdown. Frankly, this is good! I can preserve code indents by marking code as such, either with code fences (triple backticks): ``` the code goes here ``` or by indenting by at least 4 spaces: indented code goes here etc etc which works perfectly. I use the latter. As a bonus the code looks like code and the prose is in a nice variable width font. (On the web forum.) Mails are really just notifications - there's no nested quoting of content to provide context. You can choose to have previous replies at bottom or include an excerpt, but that's not contextual quoting. As with ordinary email, this depends on the author of the post. Discourse has a feature where you can do a quoted reply; on the web I access it by selecting some text in the web forum and pressing the reply button. In email, I do a regular inline-and-trim reply as in this message. You can see one of my posts with here, composed from email: https://discuss.python.org/t/requesting-a-code-review/20107/4 Each email copy of a post has a link to the web version of the post at the bottom; I sometimes use that to visit the forum for context. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: no sound
On 10/25/22 15:49, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Tue, 25 Oct 2022, Joe Zeff wrote: On 10/25/2022 03:51 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: Technically I have sound. I have the 60-cycle hum that is the reason I rarely use this computer when I want sound. Try using aplay to see if you can get anything to play. If not, I'd suspect that you have a hardware issue. The "silent" treatment postdates the hum issue. I'm not getting any sound from aplay, but do not understand why that would be indicative of a hardware issue. If you're getting hum there is a good chance one of your connectors is not seated properly or a cable is no good. I used to do sound. If there is hum you solve that first. That could also explain why there is no audio. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: no sound
On Tue, 25 Oct 2022, Joe Zeff wrote: On 10/25/2022 03:51 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: Technically I have sound. I have the 60-cycle hum that is the reason I rarely use this computer when I want sound. Try using aplay to see if you can get anything to play. If not, I'd suspect that you have a hardware issue. The "silent" treatment postdates the hum issue. I'm not getting any sound from aplay, but do not understand why that would be indicative of a hardware issue. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "I was just thinking about the life of a pumpkin. Grow up in the sun, happily entwined with others, and then someone comes along, cuts you open, and rips your guts out." -- Buffy ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Grub Background Image not Displayed in Grub Boot Menu
On 25/10/22 20:25, Tim via users wrote: On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 09:10 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote: I tried putting the image in /boot/grub2/backgrounds but even though grub2-mkconfig picked it up and placed and entry for it in /boot/grub2/grub.cfg it still did not display at boot. Has Fedora actually disabled that functionality? I haven't seen a graphic on the boot screen for many years, but are there any requirements about it having to be specific pixel size? There might be. The background I'm specifying is from one of the SDDM themes I have installed. The specification added to grub.cfg by grub2-mkconfig specifies to stretch the image if necessary. I'm just wondering if grub is not properly handling the 4K resolution the menu is being displayed in, as scrolling through the menu entries doesn't always work properly as sometimes I have to scroll backwards and forwards several times before I can get it to settle on the entry I actually want to boot. regards, Steve ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: RPMFusion Repositories not Activated at F36 Install Time
On 25/10/22 11:16, Jonathan Billings wrote: On Oct 22, 2022, at 21:56, Stephen Morris wrote: Hi, As part of the install of F36 from the live CD I have, there is a question asking whether or not to install 3rd party repositories. I have done the install twice and replied to the message in the affirmative both times, and all that did was enable the rpmfusion nvidia and steam repositories, it did not enable the rpmfusion-nonfree nor the rpmfusion-free repositories, I had to actually install them manually. Why, as I assumed the 3rd party repositories were the rpmfusion ones? This is as designed: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/workstation-working-group/third-party-repos/ If you want the full RPMfusion repositories, you will need to install them yourself. Fedora only includes a small subset of RPMfusion packages in special repositories. Thankyou. I thought it would install the full packages. regards, Steve -- Jonathan Billings ___ users mailing list --users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email tousers-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct:https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines:https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives:https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it:https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: no sound
On Tue, 25 Oct 2022, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Tue, 25 Oct 2022, Michael Hennebry wrote: I'm running gnome on F35. When I play a movie, I can see people talking, but cannot hear them talking. The sound icon on both gnome and on the movie players (plural) indicate I have sound. Technically I have sound. I have the 60-cycle hum that is the reason I rarely use this computer when I want sound. It is also the reason that I do not know when the problem started. How do I figure out how to fix this? I've had sound issues before. It was always a mighty struggle. $ lspci | grep udio 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02) $ ennebry@mail:~$ systemctl --user status pipewire pipewire-pulse wireplumber Oops. Above done on wrong machine. Correct is below. $ yum list installed alsa-sof-firmware Installed Packages alsa-sof-firmware.noarch 2.0-2.fc35 @updates Above inspired by https://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?327650-Fedora-35-NO-sound $ systemctl --user status pipewire pipewire-pulse wireplumber | grep -v Oct â pipewire.service - PipeWire Multimedia Service Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/user/pipewire.service; disabled; vendor preset: disabled) Drop-In: /usr/lib/systemd/user/pipewire.service.d ââ00-uresourced.conf Active: active (running) since Tue 2022-10-25 16:27:50 CDT; 57min ago TriggeredBy: â pipewire.socket Main PID: 1605 (pipewire) Tasks: 2 (limit: 9388) Memory: 7.6M CPU: 12.633s CGroup: /user.slice/user-1000.slice/user@1000.service/session.slice/pipewire.service ââ 1605 /usr/bin/pipewire â pipewire-pulse.service - PipeWire PulseAudio Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/user/pipewire-pulse.service; disabled; vendor preset: disabled) Active: active (running) since Tue 2022-10-25 16:27:50 CDT; 57min ago TriggeredBy: â pipewire-pulse.socket Main PID: 1607 (pipewire-pulse) Tasks: 2 (limit: 9388) Memory: 21.4M CPU: 49.916s CGroup: /user.slice/user-1000.slice/user@1000.service/session.slice/pipewire-pulse.service ââ 1607 /usr/bin/pipewire-pulse â wireplumber.service - Multimedia Service Session Manager Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/user/wireplumber.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: active (running) since Tue 2022-10-25 16:27:50 CDT; 57min ago Main PID: 1606 (wireplumber) Tasks: 4 (limit: 9388) Memory: 4.2M CPU: 440ms CGroup: /user.slice/user-1000.slice/user@1000.service/session.slice/wireplumber.service ââ 1606 /usr/bin/wireplumber $ -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "I was just thinking about the life of a pumpkin. Grow up in the sun, happily entwined with others, and then someone comes along, cuts you open, and rips your guts out." -- Buffy___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: no sound
On 10/25/2022 03:51 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: Technically I have sound. I have the 60-cycle hum that is the reason I rarely use this computer when I want sound. Try using aplay to see if you can get anything to play. If not, I'd suspect that you have a hardware issue. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: no sound
On Tue, 25 Oct 2022, Michael Hennebry wrote: I'm running gnome on F35. When I play a movie, I can see people talking, but cannot hear them talking. The sound icon on both gnome and on the movie players (plural) indicate I have sound. Technically I have sound. I have the 60-cycle hum that is the reason I rarely use this computer when I want sound. It is also the reason that I do not know when the problem started. How do I figure out how to fix this? I've had sound issues before. It was always a mighty struggle. $ lspci | grep udio 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02) $ ennebry@mail:~$ systemctl --user status pipewire pipewire-pulse wireplumber Unit pipewire.service could not be found. Unit pipewire-pulse.service could not be found. Unit wireplumber.service could not be found. hennebry@mail:~$ lnxi -MA -bash: lnxi: command not found hennebry@mail:~$ $ yum list installed alsa-sof-firmware Installed Packages alsa-sof-firmware.noarch 2.0-2.fc35 @updates Above inspired by https://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?327650-Fedora-35-NO-sound -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "I was just thinking about the life of a pumpkin. Grow up in the sun, happily entwined with others, and then someone comes along, cuts you open, and rips your guts out." -- Buffy ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
no sound
I'm running gnome on F35. When I play a movie, I can see people talking, but cannot hear them talking. The sound icon on both gnome and on the movie players (plural) indicate I have sound. Technically I have sound. I have the 60-cycle hum that is the reason I rarely use this computer when I want sound. It is also the reason that I do not know when the problem started. How do I figure out how to fix this? I've had sound issues before. It was always a mighty struggle. $ lspci | grep udio 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02) $ -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "I was just thinking about the life of a pumpkin. Grow up in the sun, happily entwined with others, and then someone comes along, cuts you open, and rips your guts out." -- Buffy ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
On 24Oct2022 22:36, Barry Scott wrote: I've been rebuilding a server recently with a fresh Ubuntu, and systemd has been a massive PITA. Gah! The idea's ok (parallel boot with dependencies and associated service up/down though a single daemon). We've all written them. But when it's going sour, it is remarkably unhelpful. To the point of wanting to throw the keyboard across the room. If you need help with systemd, feel free to reach out. I been building solutions on systemd for a long time and happy to help. Thanks, I may. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Native Windows to qemu-kvm?
On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 3:29 PM ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > > On 10/25/22 07:23, Go Canes wrote: > > Also, before even starting, you should confirm the target machine has > > hardware support for virtualization, and that it is enabled. > > Oh poop. Did not think of that.Thank you! You are welcome! > It is an OLD Windows 7 machine. There > would be no support for virtualization. The > customer's application is a 24/7 app anyway, so he > would never be able to dual boot. If the app is 24x7, a VM may not be the best option; the VM has its own OS and app failure modes, and now you have added any failure modes of the VM software as well as the failure modes of the hosting OS. Really depends on if "24/7" means "24/7 with zero downtime" or if it means "24/7 with occasional downtime tolerated". OTOH, you *can* build fairly resilient solutions using VMs on an underlying cluster (see cloud providers). Depends on the specific of your situation. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Native Windows to qemu-kvm?
A problem you could run into doing this is licensing. WIndows uses a variety of methods to detect if a valid product key is being run on multiple machines, which includes some checks on the hardware. Since a virtual machine is never going to have virtual hardware that exactly matches your PC, there's a good chance that, even if you succeed in getting your native install to run under a hypervisor, Windows may well consider it an unlicensed copy. I recently had a Windows 10 VM that this happened to when I just upgraded Virtual Box, didn't touch the Windows VM at all. --Greg On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 9:39 PM ToddAndMargo via users < users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > Hi All, > > Is there a way to tape a native Windows hard > drive and port it to qemu-kvm? > > ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Native Windows to qemu-kvm?
On 10/25/22 13:41, Tim via users wrote: On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 12:18 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: A customer approached me about a specialty application (aircraft transponder tracking) that needs Linux. But wanted to put it on an old computer with windows on it. He asked if you could dual boot. I said yes, but it is froth with issues. So I was thinking of porting his Windows to qemu-kvm if he really wanted Windows. But better yet, just put in new hard drive and pack up his old drive in a static bag for safe keeping. He has several computers, so he can run his windows stuff of various other computers. When I first got into Linux I set a dual-boot system, but I soon realised a few things: I rarely used Windows any more, and rebooting was a huge pain. It interrupts whatever you're doing, and adds big delays. I never got into virtual computing, or emulation, my PCs were too underpowered for that. And I haven't used Windows for probably over 15 years, so hadn't tried since. But, unless you really needed to cram everything onto one PC, it was usually far more efficient to have completely standalone PCs for each one (operationally, and debugging-wise). Ya. Well stated ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Native Windows to qemu-kvm?
On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 12:18 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > A customer approached me about a specialty application > (aircraft transponder tracking) that needs Linux. But > wanted to put it on an old computer with windows on > it. He asked if you could dual boot. I said yes, > but it is froth with issues. > > So I was thinking of porting his Windows to qemu-kvm > if he really wanted Windows. But better yet, just > put in new hard drive and pack up his old drive in > a static bag for safe keeping. He has several > computers, so he can run his windows stuff of > various other computers. When I first got into Linux I set a dual-boot system, but I soon realised a few things: I rarely used Windows any more, and rebooting was a huge pain. It interrupts whatever you're doing, and adds big delays. I never got into virtual computing, or emulation, my PCs were too underpowered for that. And I haven't used Windows for probably over 15 years, so hadn't tried since. But, unless you really needed to cram everything onto one PC, it was usually far more efficient to have completely standalone PCs for each one (operationally, and debugging-wise). -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.76.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed Aug 10 16:21:17 UTC 2022 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Bugs in wine. Any alternatives?
On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 10:55 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > Wine is the bad side of the open source model. > Give the software away for free, then hold the > user for ransom if they want the bugs fixed. > Libre Office does the same thing. Fedroa > does not and spoils all of us. In the past, if I'd posted any bug reports (on any software), it was virtually expected that I also supply the fix. Umm, no. That's what things like GIT are for, user-participation in program changes. Bugzilla is for user-participation in debugging. I have no qualms about doing follow-up tests and trying alternative recompiled files. But that was way too far. There was a certain attitude of: How dare you criticize us for adding yet another bug report to (the hundred prior reports) on something we haven't bothered to do anything about in 8 years. You're such a user for not contributing. Do you have any idea how hard it is to create this program? We don't consider that bug important enough (despite the years of lots of bug reports). You're not paying for my time. Hence why I started off saying "in the past." Naturally I stopped. Yes, you do need bug reports from users who aren't programmers. They've found bugs that you didn't. You can't expect everyone to learn how your program works internally, and understand your programming quirks. My programming days are ancient, pen and paper, writing mnemonics, looking up the op-codes, writing them down (*I* was the compiler), hand typing them into a programmer. And some basic (e.g. wrote a relational database in a language that really doesn't have what you need for that) and ARexx (wrote what was virtually a CRON daemon on a system that doesn't have one). That was back in the days of if you wanted to do anything, you wrote your own programs. But romping into a complex and ever evolving OS, and getting to grips with someone else's program, is diving into the deep end. And, yes, I understand that programmers time isn't valueless. But that isn't why you participate in open-source software. You got a free ride on this free OS, with a free compiler, and a free hundred other things that you're using. And then you do something that adds to that free system, in some way. Ordinary users contribute in other ways. As mentioned, they find bugs. But they also stop using Windows or Mac, and don't forget that the way one OS grows is by a reduction of the others. They advocate Linux to other users who've never heard of it, or have completely the wrong idea about what it is. They help people use the software, answer questions, write guides. Going back much further in the past, I participated in support lists for various Amiga software. In those lists, you had users who were programmers, who could directly help with fixes. You had users who understood the specs (HTML, email, whatever), that the programmer hadn't understood, who helped the programmers create the programs properly. And you had ordinary users who found other problems and they also help with fine-tuning the program. Some of that was freeware, shareware, and outright commercial. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.76.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed Aug 10 16:21:17 UTC 2022 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Native Windows to qemu-kvm?
On 10/25/22 07:23, Go Canes wrote: Also, before even starting, you should confirm the target machine has hardware support for virtualization, and that it is enabled. Oh poop. Did not think of that.Thank you! It is an OLD Windows 7 machine. There would be no support for virtualization. The customer's application is a 24/7 app anyway, so he would never be able to dual boot. I think I am going to recommend he get a new computer for the application and just keep his other for Windows. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Native Windows to qemu-kvm?
On 10/25/22 04:56, Sinthia Vicious wrote: What did you mean by tape a windows hard drive? All you need to do is make partitions and you can have windows and linux run side by side on the same drive. There is no need for something as complicated as a virtual machine. I ran dual boot machines like this for decades before I heard of virtual machines. You should see all the issues guys complain about over on the Windows newsgroups with that. Yes, it works. I have done it myself. Poop happens a lot to it. It is also just plain annoying to have to boot down and back up to change operating system. And the customer use does require 24/7 operation (aircraft transponder tracking). ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Native Windows to qemu-kvm?
On 10/25/22 03:51, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Samuel Sieb writes: On 10/24/22 21:26, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 10/24/22 21:09, Slade Watkins via users wrote: On 10/24/22 11:38 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: Is there a way to tape a native Windows hard drive and port it to qemu-kvm? Hm. Did a bit of digging... this is all I could find. https://manuel.kiessling.net/2013/03/19/converting-a-running-physical-machine-to-a-kvm-virtual-machine/ Yikes! Yes, that's pretty crazy, but that's doing the conversion live without downtime and would have been somewhat easier with kpartx. But it also doesn't apply to Windows. I assume that you can shut the system down because otherwise I don't know how you would do it. The easiest way is just to make a raw disk image from the source hard drive and boot that. You can save a lot of space using a qcow image by using ntfsclone to copy the data since that only copies the used sectors. Windows will probably be somewhat unhappy about the hardware changing underneath, but should be able to get over that. A forest must be missing here, hiding beyond all these trees. I haven't done this myself but I'd be surprised if it's not possible to set up a qemu VM that's pointing at an actual disk image, /dev/sdX, instead of an image file. The real problem I see here is that the existing Windows install is likely to be an OEM install license that's tied to the hardware, and will automatically deactivate itself when it wakes up in a new machine. You'll have to either deal with using deactivated Windows or pay for a retail license. It is Windows 7, so no hardware keying. I have had issue before with the boot flag set on several disk such that booting to which drive was a coin toss. You are suppose to get around that in BIOS, but ... (plug 'n play) ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Native Windows to qemu-kvm?
On 10/25/22 01:09, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 10/25/22 00:27, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 10/24/22 22:08, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 10/24/22 21:26, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 10/24/22 21:09, Slade Watkins via users wrote: On 10/24/22 11:38 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: Is there a way to tape a native Windows hard drive and port it to qemu-kvm? Hm. Did a bit of digging... this is all I could find. https://manuel.kiessling.net/2013/03/19/converting-a-running-physical-machine-to-a-kvm-virtual-machine/ Yikes! Yes, that's pretty crazy, but that's doing the conversion live without downtime and would have been somewhat easier with kpartx. But it also doesn't apply to Windows. I assume that you can shut the system down because otherwise I don't know how you would do it. The easiest way is just to make a raw disk image from the source hard drive and boot that. You can save a lot of space using a qcow image by using ntfsclone to copy the data since that only copies the used sectors. Windows will probably be somewhat unhappy about the hardware changing underneath, but should be able to get over that. Would you have a link to a "how to"? I don't. Can you move the windows hard drive to the VM system, maybe using a USB enclosure? Or do you have enough space to copy the entire drive to an image? What is your goal here? A customer approached me about a specialty application (aircraft transponder tracking) that needs Linux. But wanted to put it on an old computer with windows on it. He asked if you could dual boot. I said yes, but it is froth with issues. So I was thinking of porting his Windows to qemu-kvm if he really wanted Windows. But better yet, just put in new hard drive and pack up his old drive in a static bag for safe keeping. He has several computers, so he can run his windows stuff of various other computers. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Bugs in wine. Any alternatives?
On 10/25/22 02:48, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2022-10-24 at 20:06 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: And yes I know that Wine is ransonware. I think that's uncalled for. WINE is free software. Does it encrypt your data and demand money to release it? poc Wine is the bad side of the open source model. Give the software away for free, then hold the user for ransom if they want the bugs fixed. Libre Office does the same thing. Fedroa does not and spoils all of us. If you mean that I called it the criminal ransomware virus, you are correct. Wine is not a criminal activity. Wine gets worse and worse every release and I can not afford to pay the ransom to get it fixed, so I am desperately looking for an alternative. Wine is not Fedora. Fedora fixes reported bugs and gets better and better every release. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 17:24 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 16:04 +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 01:53:38PM +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan
> > wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 14:37 +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 08:44:20PM -0400, Sam Varshavchik
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I understand that the explanation for the migration away from
> > > > > mailing
> > > > > lists is that maintaining the mailing lists is a hassle and
> > > > > takes
> > > > > up
> > > > > too much resources. I'm suspicious of the veracity of that; [
> > > > > ... ]
> > > >
> > > > I think it's also about control: Web based content can easily
> > > > be
> > > > deleted by moderators - whereas emails sent via a mailing list
> > > > to
> > > > their subscribers can stay in users' inboxes forever.
> > > >
> > > > Remember all these past years when we were asked every now and
> > > > then
> > > > to
> > > > "behave", to respect some "code of conduct"? If we're not nice
> > > > in
> > > > the
> > > > future, our messages can just be deleted from the web
> > > > interface.
> > >
> > > People who interact with the forum via email will still have
> > > their
> > > own
> > > copies. [ ... ]
> >
> > Does that mean that despite "Discourse" the current mailinglist
> > system,
> > that is, sending mail to the list and receiving them back
> > *together*
> > with possible answers in some thread - will be kept working?
> > Except the messages of those who interact via only the Web
> > interface
> > ("Discourse") won't be ending in my email inbox anymore? Is that
> > correct?
>
> As I understand it, and as I've seen in only a couple of days of use,
> if you configure the email options correctly you get everything, no
> matter how it was posted.
>
> As Pete point out earlier, that doesn't mean it keeps working exactly
> as it does now. Read his post for details.
To be clear, I mean the post I pointed to in the head item of this
thread, i.e.
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2022-October/msg00276.html
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Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 16:04 +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 01:53:38PM +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 14:37 +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 08:44:20PM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> > >
> > > > I understand that the explanation for the migration away from
> > > > mailing
> > > > lists is that maintaining the mailing lists is a hassle and
> > > > takes
> > > > up
> > > > too much resources. I'm suspicious of the veracity of that; [
> > > > ... ]
> > >
> > > I think it's also about control: Web based content can easily be
> > > deleted by moderators - whereas emails sent via a mailing list to
> > > their subscribers can stay in users' inboxes forever.
> > >
> > > Remember all these past years when we were asked every now and
> > > then
> > > to
> > > "behave", to respect some "code of conduct"? If we're not nice in
> > > the
> > > future, our messages can just be deleted from the web interface.
> >
> > People who interact with the forum via email will still have their
> > own
> > copies. [ ... ]
>
> Does that mean that despite "Discourse" the current mailinglist
> system,
> that is, sending mail to the list and receiving them back *together*
> with possible answers in some thread - will be kept working?
> Except the messages of those who interact via only the Web interface
> ("Discourse") won't be ending in my email inbox anymore? Is that
> correct?
As I understand it, and as I've seen in only a couple of days of use,
if you configure the email options correctly you get everything, no
matter how it was posted.
As Pete point out earlier, that doesn't mean it keeps working exactly
as it does now. Read his post for details.
poc
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Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 9:44 PM Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Patrick O'Callaghan writes: > > > It appears that the gnome.org is hosted by RedHat, which is a member of > > the Gnome Foundation. That being the case, I would like to know if > > there is any danger (I use the word advisedly) of this list and others > > in the Fedora ecosphere suffering the same fate. > > Maybe not right now, but it's only a matter of time. All these mailing > lists > are on borrowed time. > > I understand that the explanation for the migration away from mailing > lists > is that maintaining the mailing lists is a hassle and takes up too much > resources. Large organizations on the scale of ESA, NASA, RedHat, ... are targets for phishing, DOS attacks, etc., and also have services that are only available to registered users. With mailing lists, user management is handled by the user's mail server while forums require users to have a login on the forum's host. For NASA Earth Observations, each user has to create an account and choose the services they want to use. Different services may have specific terms the user agrees to honor. Forums can easily delete posts that violate those terms without worrying that a users will complain of censorship or launch a lawsuit. I assume nation states make use of tracking data from forums operated by agencies such as NASA. Businesses certainly use data gleaned from forum activities. -- George N. White III ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 5:35 AM Tim via users wrote: > On Mon, 2022-10-24 at 20:44 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > > I've been observing, from the sidelines, the devolution of mailing > > lists, Usenet, and IRC into web-based discussion forums of various > > flavors; getting the bar lowered to the level of Twooter, Spacebook, > > and TokTik, and more of the same. It takes more mental effort and > > discipline to participate meaningfully in the former, but much less > > in the latter. It's a much lower barrier of entry; hence this latest > > episode with Gnome. > > I miss using usenet, it was much better than mailing lists. You could > post without exposing your email address. The usenet clients had > excellent threading, filtering, and a decent editor for posting and > replying. Of course spammers were a problem, but a decent usenet host > could have taken care of that. > > I completely agree, I have found usenet with a good interface (knode) to be far a more efficient way to keep up with a large body of topics. Email is inefficient in its use of space and bandwidth, since it replicates data needlessly. I haven't seen an online forum that works as well as usenet. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Native Windows to qemu-kvm?
On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 11:39 PM ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > Is there a way to tape a native Windows hard > drive and port it to qemu-kvm? I'm sure there are several. My basic process when I have done this in the past - create a copy of the physical disk on an external drive - you could boot off of a live CD and use dd to copy the disk (fast, uses more space), or use something like clonezilla (uses less space). If you want to use the disk as-is, there is probably a way to do so, but I have never done so with qemu-kvm - note that it is probably a *very* bad idea to attempt to use the disk as a native windows boot disk *and* as a VM boot disk (i.e. dual-boot physical or VM); at the very least I would expect windows would keep deactivating the license. - create a VM with an appropriately sized hard drive - use BIOS or UEFI to match the physical machine. Add TPM if needed. - boot the VM off an ISO matching the same boot image you used to create the copy of the disk, and use the corresponding process to restore the copy to the virtual disk (i.e. dd, clonezilla, etc.) Now the "fun" starts - You will probably have to re-apply your Windows license, and depending on the specifics of the license it may not let you do so. - You will want to install the virtio drivers (separate ISO image) and convert the virtual disk and NIC to virtio Also, before even starting, you should confirm the target machine has hardware support for virtualization, and that it is enabled. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 01:53:38PM +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 14:37 +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 08:44:20PM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> I understand that the explanation for the migration away from
> mailing
> lists is that maintaining the mailing lists is a hassle and takes
> up
> too much resources. I'm suspicious of the veracity of that; [ ... ]
I think it's also about control: Web based content can easily be
deleted by moderators - whereas emails sent via a mailing list to
their subscribers can stay in users' inboxes forever.
Remember all these past years when we were asked every now and then
to
"behave", to respect some "code of conduct"? If we're not nice in the
future, our messages can just be deleted from the web interface.
People who interact with the forum via email will still have their own
copies. [ ... ]
Does that mean that despite "Discourse" the current mailinglist system,
that is, sending mail to the list and receiving them back *together*
with possible answers in some thread - will be kept working?
Except the messages of those who interact via only the Web interface
("Discourse") won't be ending in my email inbox anymore? Is that
correct?
Thanks in anticipation
Wolfgang
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Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
Hello, On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 14:37:16 +0200 Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: > On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 08:44:20PM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > > >I understand that the explanation for the migration away from mailing > >lists is that maintaining the mailing lists is a hassle and takes up > >too much resources. I'm suspicious of the veracity of that; [ ... ] > > I think it's also about control: Web based content can easily be > deleted by moderators - whereas emails sent via a mailing list to > their subscribers can stay in users' inboxes forever. [snip] About control.. what about user control? In addition to filtering out, watching some topics specifically, coloring, threading by topic or not, searching, and other manipulations one can do to incoming and received emails (as well as dropping!), a major point to me is also that with email, we can get the whole conversations offline (at least what you received since you subscribed), even writing can be done offline (send later), whereas it's not that easy with web content. Regards, -- wwp https://useplaintext.email/ pgp_ytN4nnyQk.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
On Mon, 2022-10-24 at 20:44 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > I understand that the explanation for the migration away from mailing > lists is that maintaining the mailing lists is a hassle and takes up > too much resources. I'm suspicious of the veracity of that; running a > mail server, and some mailing lists, is not rocket science and > doesn't take much. I run my own mail server. I can afford it. I don't believe that, either. Running a web forum isn't zero effort, either. And you will have ongoing hack attempts to deal with. New shiny thing, must have the new shiny thing... -- NB: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the list. The following system info data is generated fresh for each post: uname -rsvp Linux 5.19.15-201.fc36.x86_64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu Oct 13 18:58:38 UTC 2022 x86_64 ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 14:37 +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: > On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 08:44:20PM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > > > I understand that the explanation for the migration away from > > mailing > > lists is that maintaining the mailing lists is a hassle and takes > > up > > too much resources. I'm suspicious of the veracity of that; [ ... ] > > I think it's also about control: Web based content can easily be > deleted by moderators - whereas emails sent via a mailing list to > their subscribers can stay in users' inboxes forever. > > Remember all these past years when we were asked every now and then > to > "behave", to respect some "code of conduct"? If we're not nice in the > future, our messages can just be deleted from the web interface. People who interact with the forum via email will still have their own copies. And current email archives can be altered just as easily (though I don't know of any that do so). poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 08:44:20PM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: I understand that the explanation for the migration away from mailing lists is that maintaining the mailing lists is a hassle and takes up too much resources. I'm suspicious of the veracity of that; [ ... ] I think it's also about control: Web based content can easily be deleted by moderators - whereas emails sent via a mailing list to their subscribers can stay in users' inboxes forever. Remember all these past years when we were asked every now and then to "behave", to respect some "code of conduct"? If we're not nice in the future, our messages can just be deleted from the web interface. Wolfgang ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Native Windows to qemu-kvm?
On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 06:51 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Samuel Sieb writes: > > > On 10/24/22 21:26, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > > > On 10/24/22 21:09, Slade Watkins via users wrote: > > > > On 10/24/22 11:38 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Is there a way to tape a native Windows hard > > > > > drive and port it to qemu-kvm? > > > > > > > > Hm. Did a bit of digging... this is all I could find. > > > > > > > > https://manuel.kiessling.net/2013/03/19/converting-a-running-physical > > > > - > > > > machine-to-a-kvm-virtual-machine/ > > > > > > Yikes! > > > > Yes, that's pretty crazy, but that's doing the conversion live > > without > > downtime and would have been somewhat easier with kpartx. But it > > also > > doesn't apply to Windows. > > > > I assume that you can shut the system down because otherwise I > > don't know > > how you would do it. The easiest way is just to make a raw disk > > image from > > the source hard drive and boot that. You can save a lot of space > > using a > > qcow image by using ntfsclone to copy the data since that only > > copies the > > used sectors. Windows will probably be somewhat unhappy about the > > hardware > > changing underneath, but should be able to get over that. > > A forest must be missing here, hiding beyond all these trees. I > haven't done > this myself but I'd be surprised if it's not possible to set up a > qemu VM > that's pointing at an actual disk image, /dev/sdX, instead of an > image file. This is definitely possible. I did it once, using Virtual Machine Manager. > The real problem I see here is that the existing Windows install is > likely > to be an OEM install license that's tied to the hardware, and will > automatically deactivate itself when it wakes up in a new machine. > You'll > have to either deal with using deactivated Windows or pay for a > retail > license. That could happen, In my case it wasn't an OEM license and I didn't have a problem, but YMMV. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Native Windows to qemu-kvm?
What did you mean by tape a windows hard drive? All you need to do is make partitions and you can have windows and linux run side by side on the same drive. There is no need for something as complicated as a virtual machine. I ran dual boot machines like this for decades before I heard of virtual machines. On Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 6:52 AM Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Samuel Sieb writes: > > > On 10/24/22 21:26, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > >> On 10/24/22 21:09, Slade Watkins via users wrote: > >>> On 10/24/22 11:38 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > > Is there a way to tape a native Windows hard > drive and port it to qemu-kvm? > >>> > >>> Hm. Did a bit of digging... this is all I could find. > >>> > >>> https://manuel.kiessling.net/2013/03/19/converting-a-running-physical- > >>> machine-to-a-kvm-virtual-machine/ > >> > >> Yikes! > > > > Yes, that's pretty crazy, but that's doing the conversion live without > > downtime and would have been somewhat easier with kpartx. But it also > > doesn't apply to Windows. > > > > I assume that you can shut the system down because otherwise I don't > know > > how you would do it. The easiest way is just to make a raw disk image > from > > the source hard drive and boot that. You can save a lot of space using > a > > qcow image by using ntfsclone to copy the data since that only copies > the > > used sectors. Windows will probably be somewhat unhappy about the > hardware > > changing underneath, but should be able to get over that. > > A forest must be missing here, hiding beyond all these trees. I haven't > done > this myself but I'd be surprised if it's not possible to set up a qemu VM > that's pointing at an actual disk image, /dev/sdX, instead of an image > file. > > The real problem I see here is that the existing Windows install is > likely > to be an OEM install license that's tied to the hardware, and will > automatically deactivate itself when it wakes up in a new machine. You'll > have to either deal with using deactivated Windows or pay for a retail > license. > > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue > ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Native Windows to qemu-kvm?
Samuel Sieb writes: On 10/24/22 21:26, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 10/24/22 21:09, Slade Watkins via users wrote: On 10/24/22 11:38 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: Is there a way to tape a native Windows hard drive and port it to qemu-kvm? Hm. Did a bit of digging... this is all I could find. https://manuel.kiessling.net/2013/03/19/converting-a-running-physical- machine-to-a-kvm-virtual-machine/ Yikes! Yes, that's pretty crazy, but that's doing the conversion live without downtime and would have been somewhat easier with kpartx. But it also doesn't apply to Windows. I assume that you can shut the system down because otherwise I don't know how you would do it. The easiest way is just to make a raw disk image from the source hard drive and boot that. You can save a lot of space using a qcow image by using ntfsclone to copy the data since that only copies the used sectors. Windows will probably be somewhat unhappy about the hardware changing underneath, but should be able to get over that. A forest must be missing here, hiding beyond all these trees. I haven't done this myself but I'd be surprised if it's not possible to set up a qemu VM that's pointing at an actual disk image, /dev/sdX, instead of an image file. The real problem I see here is that the existing Windows install is likely to be an OEM install license that's tied to the hardware, and will automatically deactivate itself when it wakes up in a new machine. You'll have to either deal with using deactivated Windows or pay for a retail license. pgpkcXDmzBWl0.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Bugs in wine. Any alternatives?
On Mon, 2022-10-24 at 20:06 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > And yes I know that Wine is ransonware. I think that's uncalled for. WINE is free software. Does it encrypt your data and demand money to release it? poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
On Mon, 2022-10-24 at 20:44 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > I've been observing, from the sidelines, the devolution of mailing > lists, Usenet, and IRC into web-based discussion forums of various > flavors; getting the bar lowered to the level of Twooter, Spacebook, > and TokTik, and more of the same. It takes more mental effort and > discipline to participate meaningfully in the former, but much less > in the latter. It's a much lower barrier of entry; hence this latest > episode with Gnome. I miss using usenet, it was much better than mailing lists. You could post without exposing your email address. The usenet clients had excellent threading, filtering, and a decent editor for posting and replying. Of course spammers were a problem, but a decent usenet host could have taken care of that. And for small projects, you had a free forum service. One (or more) of the news servers hosted it, you didn't. All you had to do was convince a big service to create a news group for you, if one didn't already exist, and it'd propagate through to others. Of course, you could also run your news server, if you really wanted to. -- NB: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the list. The following system info data is generated fresh for each post: uname -rsvp Linux 5.19.15-201.fc36.x86_64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu Oct 13 18:58:38 UTC 2022 x86_64 ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Grub Background Image not Displayed in Grub Boot Menu
On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 09:10 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote: > I tried putting the image in /boot/grub2/backgrounds but even though > grub2-mkconfig picked it up and placed and entry for it in > /boot/grub2/grub.cfg it still did not display at boot. Has Fedora > actually disabled that functionality? I haven't seen a graphic on the boot screen for many years, but are there any requirements about it having to be specific pixel size? -- NB: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the list. The following system info data is generated fresh for each post: uname -rsvp Linux 5.19.15-201.fc36.x86_64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu Oct 13 18:58:38 UTC 2022 x86_64 ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Native Windows to qemu-kvm?
On 10/25/22 00:27, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 10/24/22 22:08, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 10/24/22 21:26, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 10/24/22 21:09, Slade Watkins via users wrote: On 10/24/22 11:38 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: Is there a way to tape a native Windows hard drive and port it to qemu-kvm? Hm. Did a bit of digging... this is all I could find. https://manuel.kiessling.net/2013/03/19/converting-a-running-physical-machine-to-a-kvm-virtual-machine/ Yikes! Yes, that's pretty crazy, but that's doing the conversion live without downtime and would have been somewhat easier with kpartx. But it also doesn't apply to Windows. I assume that you can shut the system down because otherwise I don't know how you would do it. The easiest way is just to make a raw disk image from the source hard drive and boot that. You can save a lot of space using a qcow image by using ntfsclone to copy the data since that only copies the used sectors. Windows will probably be somewhat unhappy about the hardware changing underneath, but should be able to get over that. Would you have a link to a "how to"? I don't. Can you move the windows hard drive to the VM system, maybe using a USB enclosure? Or do you have enough space to copy the entire drive to an image? What is your goal here? ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Native Windows to qemu-kvm?
On 10/24/22 22:08, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 10/24/22 21:26, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 10/24/22 21:09, Slade Watkins via users wrote: On 10/24/22 11:38 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: Is there a way to tape a native Windows hard drive and port it to qemu-kvm? Hm. Did a bit of digging... this is all I could find. https://manuel.kiessling.net/2013/03/19/converting-a-running-physical-machine-to-a-kvm-virtual-machine/ Yikes! Yes, that's pretty crazy, but that's doing the conversion live without downtime and would have been somewhat easier with kpartx. But it also doesn't apply to Windows. I assume that you can shut the system down because otherwise I don't know how you would do it. The easiest way is just to make a raw disk image from the source hard drive and boot that. You can save a lot of space using a qcow image by using ntfsclone to copy the data since that only copies the used sectors. Windows will probably be somewhat unhappy about the hardware changing underneath, but should be able to get over that. Would you have a link to a "how to"? ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
