Re: monitor/display problem.

2022-11-03 Thread Felix Miata
home user composed on 2022-11-03 21:42 (UTC-0600):

> What I have is

> -rw---. 1 root root 33824169 Oct 20 09:47 
> initramfs-5.19.16-100.fc35.x86_64.img
> -rw---. 1 root root 35051075 Oct 20 11:19 
> initramfs-5.19.16-200.fc36.x86_64.img
> -rw---. 1 root root 35452743 Nov  3 13:02 
> initramfs-6.0.5-200.fc36.x86_64.img

> I'm a little puzzled that there are 2 initrd files for that date.  It 
> might be important that Oct. 20 is the day I first did a weekly "dnf 
> upgrade", and then upgraded from f35 to f36.  Is the 11:19 the one I 
> should back up, or should I back up both Oct. 20 files?

initramfs-5.19.16-100.fc35.x86_64.img was either installed or updated when you 
did
your customary periodic updates to F35. initramfs-5.19.16-200.fc36.x86_64.img 
was
created later when you did your system-upgrade to F36. As long as 200.fc36 
belongs
to a *working* kernel, it's the important one to have backed up. It couldn't 
hurt
to backup both though.
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Re: monitor/display problem.

2022-11-03 Thread home user

On 11/3/22 8:48 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

home user composed on 2022-11-03 20:29 (UTC-0600):


Felix Miata wrote:



home user composed on 2022-11-03 19:02 (UTC-0600):

...

1-Backup the initrd for 5.19.



According to the man page for initrd, it should be in "/dev" and/or "/".
   But using "ls -a", I don't see initrd in either place.  The "whereis"
command only find a compressed man page.  Where is "initrd"?


/boot/initramfs-5.19.17-200.fc36.x86_64.img
...

What I have is

-rw---. 1 root root 33824169 Oct 20 09:47 
initramfs-5.19.16-100.fc35.x86_64.img
-rw---. 1 root root 35051075 Oct 20 11:19 
initramfs-5.19.16-200.fc36.x86_64.img
-rw---. 1 root root 35452743 Nov  3 13:02 
initramfs-6.0.5-200.fc36.x86_64.img


I'm a little puzzled that there are 2 initrd files for that date.  It 
might be important that Oct. 20 is the day I first did a weekly "dnf 
upgrade", and then upgraded from f35 to f36.  Is the 11:19 the one I 
should back up, or should I back up both Oct. 20 files?


I'm now shutting down for the night.  I'll try booting up with the 5.19 
kernel (as you suggested) in the morning when I power up the workstation.


thanks,
Bill.
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Re: monitor/display problem.

2022-11-03 Thread Felix Miata
home user composed on 2022-11-03 20:29 (UTC-0600):

> Felix Miata wrote:

>> home user composed on 2022-11-03 19:02 (UTC-0600):
> ...
>> 1-Backup the initrd for 5.19.

> According to the man page for initrd, it should be in "/dev" and/or "/". 
>   But using "ls -a", I don't see initrd in either place.  The "whereis" 
> command only find a compressed man page.  Where is "initrd"?

/boot/initramfs-5.19.17-200.fc36.x86_64.img

Initrd is the traditional term for initial RAM disk (initrd), which after many
moons use had the term initial RAM filesystem (initramfs) ascribed to the file
serving the same purpose and basic structure. It was never a literal disk, just 
a
filesystem, like floppies, HDD partitions and logical volumes support. On most
installations, either lsinitrd or lsinitramfs will list either's contents.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_ramdisk
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Re: monitor/display problem.

2022-11-03 Thread Joe Zeff

On 11/03/2022 04:59 PM, home user wrote:

How do I determine which kernel I'm using now?


uname -r
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Re: monitor/display problem.

2022-11-03 Thread home user

On 11/3/22 7:20 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

home user composed on 2022-11-03 19:02 (UTC-0600):


...

1-Backup the initrd for 5.19.


According to the man page for initrd, it should be in "/dev" and/or "/". 
 But using "ls -a", I don't see initrd in either place.  The "whereis" 
command only find a compressed man page.  Where is "initrd"?


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Re: monitor/display problem.

2022-11-03 Thread Felix Miata
home user composed on 2022-11-03 19:02 (UTC-0600):

> What specifically do I need to install?
> "dnf install [what?]" and re-boot.
> Is there anything else I need to do?

It still boots the 5.19 kernel OK, right?

1-Backup the initrd for 5.19.

2-Boot only the 5.19 kernel until such time as updated NVidia 470 drivers reach
rpmfusion-nonfree-updates so you can upgrade them. Alternatively, switch to 
those
currently in rpmfusion-nonfree-updates-testing.

3-(optional but desirable) find a way to paste only plain text into your email,
leaving out the confusing ANSI strings such as "[
**]".
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Re: monitor/display problem.

2022-11-03 Thread home user

On 11/3/22 3:51 PM, home user wrote:

(f36)

...


A few have asked about kernel and driver versions.  I've been trying to 
grope through logs to get answers.  The logs are being split in strange 
ways, ways not matching the dates on which the dnf commands were run, 
making this both difficult and tedious.  But here's what I find (some 
extra lines included for context)...


==

(dnf.log)

2022-11-03T12:57:56-0600 DEBUG --> Starting dependency resolution
2022-11-03T12:57:57-0600 DEBUG ---> Package kernel.x86_64 6.0.5-200.fc36 
will be installed
2022-11-03T12:57:58-0600 DEBUG ---> Package kernel-core.x86_64 
6.0.5-200.fc36 will be installed
2022-11-03T12:57:58-0600 DEBUG ---> Package kernel-devel.x86_64 
6.0.5-200.fc36 will be installed
2022-11-03T12:57:58-0600 DEBUG ---> Package kernel-modules.x86_64 
6.0.5-200.fc36 will be installed


2022-11-03T12:57:59-0600 DEBUG ---> Package kernel-devel-matched.x86_64 
5.19.16-200.fc36 will be upgraded
2022-11-03T12:57:59-0600 DEBUG ---> Package kernel-devel-matched.x86_64 
6.0.5-200.fc36 will be an upgrade
2022-11-03T12:57:59-0600 DEBUG ---> Package kernel-headers.x86_64 
5.19.4-200.fc36 will be upgraded
2022-11-03T12:57:59-0600 DEBUG ---> Package kernel-headers.x86_64 
6.0.5-200.fc36 will be an upgrade
2022-11-03T12:57:59-0600 DEBUG ---> Package kernel-tools.x86_64 
5.19.4-200.fc36 will be upgraded
2022-11-03T12:57:59-0600 DEBUG ---> Package kernel-tools.x86_64 
6.0.5-200.fc36 will be an upgrade
2022-11-03T12:57:59-0600 DEBUG ---> Package kernel-tools-libs.x86_64 
5.19.4-200.fc36 will be upgraded
2022-11-03T12:57:59-0600 DEBUG ---> Package kernel-tools-libs.x86_64 
6.0.5-200.fc36 will be an upgrade


2022-11-03T12:58:00-0600 DEBUG ---> Package kernel.x86_64 
5.19.14-100.fc35 will be erased
2022-11-03T12:58:00-0600 DEBUG ---> Package kernel-core.x86_64 
5.19.14-100.fc35 will be erased
2022-11-03T12:58:00-0600 DEBUG ---> Package kernel-devel.x86_64 
5.19.14-100.fc35 will be erased
2022-11-03T12:58:00-0600 DEBUG ---> Package kernel-modules.x86_64 
5.19.14-100.fc35 will be erased
2022-11-03T12:58:00-0600 DEBUG ---> Package 
kmod-nvidia-470xx-5.19.14-100.fc35.x86_64.x86_64 3:470.141.03-1.fc35 
will be erased

2022-11-03T12:58:00-0600 DEBUG --> Finished dependency resolution

kernel(B x86_64 
 6.0.5-200.fc36  updates 
 113 k
 kernel-core   (B 
x86_64  6.0.5-200.fc36  updates 
52 M
 kernel-devel  (B 
x86_64  6.0.5-200.fc36  updates 
16 M
 kernel-modules(B 
x86_64  6.0.5-200.fc36  updates 
62 M


kernel-devel-matched  (B x86_64 
 6.0.5-200.fc36  updates 
 113 k
 kernel-headers(B 
x86_64  6.0.5-200.fc36  updates 
   1.3 M
 kernel-tools  (B 
x86_64  6.0.5-200.fc36  updates 
   259 k
 kernel-tools-libs (B 
x86_64  6.0.5-200.fc36  updates 
21 k


Removing:
 kernel(B x86_64 
   5.19.14-100.fc35@updates 
 0
 kernel-core   (B x86_64 
   5.19.14-100.fc35@updates 
92 M
 kernel-devel  (B x86_64 
   5.19.14-100.fc35@updates 
64 M
 kernel-modules(B x86_64 
   5.19.14-100.fc35@updates 
58 M

Removing dependent packages:
 kmod-nvidia-470xx-5.19.14-100.fc35.x86_64 (B x86_64 
   3:470.141.03-1.fc35 @@commandline 
44 M


2022-11-03T13:03:03-0600 DEBUG Upgraded: 
kernel-devel-matched-6.0.5-200.fc36.x86_64
2022-11-03T13:03:03-0600 DEBUG Upgraded: 
kernel-headers-6.0.5-200.fc36.x86_64

2022-11-03T13:03:03-0600 DEBUG Upgraded: kernel-tools-6.0.5-200.fc36.x86_64
2022-11-03T13:03:03-0600 DEBUG Upgraded: 
kernel-tools-libs-6.0.5-200.fc36.x86_64


2022-11-03T13:03:03-0600 DEBUG Installed: kernel-6.0.5-200.fc36.x86_64
2022-11-03T13:03:03-0600 DEBUG Installed: kernel-core-6.0.5-200.fc36.x86_64
2022-11-03T13:03:03-0600 DEBUG Installed: kernel-devel-6.0.5-200.fc36.x86_64
2022-11-03T13:03:03-0600 DEBUG Installed: 
kernel-modules-6.0.5-200.fc36.x86_64

2022-11-03T13:03:03-0600 DEBUG Rem

Re: monitor/display problem.

2022-11-03 Thread home user

On 11/3/22 4:58 PM, Jerry James wrote:

On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 4:45 PM home user  wrote:

I do not see any such logs in the gnome "logview" tool (which is where I
see the boot and dnf logs).  Where are the akmod logs?


/var/cache/akmods/nvidia


Nothing there...
-
bash.3[nvidia]: ls -a
.  ..
bash.4[nvidia]: pwd
/var/cache/akmods/nvidia
bash.5[nvidia]:
-

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Re: monitor/display problem.

2022-11-03 Thread Samuel Sieb

On 11/3/22 15:59, home user wrote:

On 11/3/22 4:25 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

home user composed on 2022-11-03 15:51 (UTC-0600):
...

Were you previously using a 5.19 kernel and the new kernel is a 6.0? 
The problem
is NVidia's proprietary driver isn't working, and the fallback driver 
is too crude
to support more than one display or more than 1024x768 mode or 
possibly 1280x1024,
either of which stretch screen objects horizontally, and usually 
provide a much
lower screen resolution than the displays' optimums. Try reinstalling 
the NVidia

drivers to fix it.


How do I determine which kernel I'm using now?


uname -a

Before this afternoon's patching, I was using whichever kernel would 
have been patched/installed by the previous weekly patch ("dnf upgrade", 
run on October 27).  I was not using the nVidia proprietary driver, but 
the free one (kmod?).


That is merely the result of compiling the proprietary driver.  It's not 
a free one.


When doing weekly patches, usually after the "dnf upgrade" completes, a 
CPU-intensive compile "akmod"? runs for a few minutes.  I see that in 
"kSysGuard".  This afternoon, I saw no such process in kSysGuard" after 
the "dnf upgrade" completed.


akmod is the process that compiles the source into the kmod package that 
you see installed.  You can try running the akmod process manually to 
see what's going wrong, but others have already said the driver version 
you have is not compatible with the latest kernel and needs updating.

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Re: monitor/display problem.

2022-11-03 Thread John Pilkington

On 03/11/2022 21:51, home user wrote:

(f36)

Good afternoon,

A short while ago, I did my weekly patches (dnf upgrade), and then 
re-booted.  Just before that, the workstation display (dual monitor) was 
fine.  After the reboot, only one display works. If I switch the monitor 
cables, I still get a one-monitor display, but on the other monitor. 
This leads me to think that the problem is not with the monitors.  The 
display in the one monitor looks a little fuzzy and stretched out 
horizontally.  I also notice at the end of the boot log the following 
lines:

-
M
[    **] (2 of 3) Job plymouth-quit-wait.ser…tart 
running (1min 17s / no limit)

M
[   ***] (2 of 3) Job 
plymouth-quit-wait.ser…tart running (1min 17s / no limit)

M
[  *** ] (3 of 3) Job 
akmods.service/start running (1min 18s / no limit)

M
[ ***  ] (3 of 3) Job 
akmods.service/start running (1min 18s / no limit)

M
[  OK  ] Finished akmods.service[0…all new kmods 
from akmod packages.
 Starting nvidia-fallback.s… nouveau as nvidia did 
not load...
[  OK  ] Finished nvidia-fallback.s…to nouveau as 
nvidia did not load.

  Starting gdm.service - GNOME Display Manager...
[  OK  ] Started gdm.service - GNOME Display 
Manager.

-
(first and last lines are for context only)
I can't memorize fast enough, but I did notice during the last boot 
lines very much like (or identical to?) the lines above that mentioned 
"nvidia".


What is the problem?
More important, how do I fix it?

thanks,
Bill.


Your post doesn't show which versions of kernel and nvidia driver you 
were running before the problem, but others have had difficulty with the 
kernel 6 and the rpmfusion 390xx and 470xx drivers.


There are new versions of both of these in the rpmfusion nonfree updates 
testing repo.  The 470xx testing version works for me.


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Re: monitor/display problem.

2022-11-03 Thread home user

On 11/3/22 4:25 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

home user composed on 2022-11-03 15:51 (UTC-0600):
...

Were you previously using a 5.19 kernel and the new kernel is a 6.0? The problem
is NVidia's proprietary driver isn't working, and the fallback driver is too 
crude
to support more than one display or more than 1024x768 mode or possibly 
1280x1024,
either of which stretch screen objects horizontally, and usually provide a much
lower screen resolution than the displays' optimums. Try reinstalling the NVidia
drivers to fix it.


How do I determine which kernel I'm using now?

Before this afternoon's patching, I was using whichever kernel would 
have been patched/installed by the previous weekly patch ("dnf upgrade", 
run on October 27).  I was not using the nVidia proprietary driver, but 
the free one (kmod?).


When doing weekly patches, usually after the "dnf upgrade" completes, a 
CPU-intensive compile "akmod"? runs for a few minutes.  I see that in 
"kSysGuard".  This afternoon, I saw no such process in kSysGuard" after 
the "dnf upgrade" completed.


Bill.
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Re: monitor/display problem.

2022-11-03 Thread Jerry James
On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 4:45 PM home user  wrote:
> I do not see any such logs in the gnome "logview" tool (which is where I
> see the boot and dnf logs).  Where are the akmod logs?

/var/cache/akmods/nvidia
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Re: monitor/display problem.

2022-11-03 Thread home user

On 11/3/22 3:59 PM, Barry wrote:




On 3 Nov 2022, at 21:53, home user  wrote:


[... snip ...]

[  *** ] (3 of 3) Job akmods.service/start 
running (1min 18s / no limit)
M
[ ***  ] (3 of 3) Job akmods.service/start 
running (1min 18s / no limit)
M
[  OK  ] Finished akmods.service[0…all new kmods from 
akmod packages.
 Starting nvidia-fallback.s… nouveau as nvidia did not 
load...
[  OK  ] Finished nvidia-fallback.s…to nouveau as nvidia 
did not load.


Seems that you want to use the nvidia driver but it is not compiled and so the 
fallback nouveau is used.

Guess nouveau does not support 2 monitors.

Find the akmod logs for the nvidia build and see if there is a clue about what 
went wrong.


I do not see any such logs in the gnome "logview" tool (which is where I 
see the boot and dnf logs).  Where are the akmod logs?


[... snip ...]

Bill.

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Re: monitor/display problem.

2022-11-03 Thread Felix Miata
home user composed on 2022-11-03 15:51 (UTC-0600):
...
> This leads me to think that the problem is not with the monitors.  The 
> display in the one monitor looks a little fuzzy and stretched out 
> horizontally.  I also notice at the end of the boot log the following lines:
...
> What is the problem?
> More important, how do I fix it?

Were you previously using a 5.19 kernel and the new kernel is a 6.0? The problem
is NVidia's proprietary driver isn't working, and the fallback driver is too 
crude
to support more than one display or more than 1024x768 mode or possibly 
1280x1024,
either of which stretch screen objects horizontally, and usually provide a much
lower screen resolution than the displays' optimums. Try reinstalling the NVidia
drivers to fix it.
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Re: monitor/display problem.

2022-11-03 Thread Felix Miata
Barry composed on 2022-11-03 21:59 (UTC):

> Seems that you want to use the nvidia driver but it is not compiled and so 
> the fallback nouveau is used.

> Guess nouveau does not support 2 monitors.

Nouveau supports 2 monitors, but not when NVidia drivers interfere by 
blacklisting
nouveau, which prevents fallback to FOSS:

# xdriinfo
Screen 0: nouveau
# pinxi -GSaz --zl --hostname
System:
  Host: gb970 Kernel: 5.19.17-200.fc36.x86_64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64
compiler: gcc v: 2.37-36.fc36 parameters: ro root=LABEL= audit=0
ipv6.disable=1 net.ifnames=0 audit=0 plymouth.enable=0 noresume
mitigations=auto consoleblank=0 selinux=0
  Desktop: Trinity v: R14.0.12 tk: Qt v: 3.5.0 info: kicker wm: Twin v: 3.0
vt: 7 dm: 1: TDM 2: XDM Distro: Fedora release 36 (Thirty Six)
Graphics:
  Device-1: NVIDIA GF108 [GeForce GT 630] vendor: Gigabyte driver: nouveau
v: kernel non-free: series: 390.xx+ status: legacy-active (EOL~late 2022)
arch: Fermi code: GF1xx process: 40/28nm built: 2010-16 pcie: gen: 1
speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 16 ports: active: DVI-I-1,HDMI-A-1 empty: VGA-1
bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:0f00 class-ID: 0300 temp: 49.0 C
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.20.14 driver: X: loaded: modesetting
unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: nouveau gpu: nouveau display-ID: :0 screens: 1
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 3600x1200 s-dpi: 120 s-size: 761x253mm (29.96x9.96")
s-diag: 802mm (31.57")
  Monitor-1: DVI-I-1 pos: primary,left model: NEC EA243WM serial: 
built: 2011 res: 1920x1200 hz: 60 dpi: 94 gamma: 1.2
size: 519x324mm (20.43x12.76") diag: 612mm (24.1") ratio: 16:10 modes:
max: 1920x1200 min: 640x480
  Monitor-2: HDMI-A-1 mapped: HDMI-1 pos: right model: Dell P2213
serial:  built: 2012 res: 1680x1050 hz: 60 dpi: 90 gamma: 1.2
size: 473x296mm (18.62x11.65") diag: 558mm (22") ratio: 16:10 modes:
max: 1680x1050 min: 720x400
  API: OpenGL v: 4.3 Mesa 22.1.7 renderer: NVC1 direct render: Yes

Installation of NVidia's proprietary drivers block use of any of the /several/
existing nouveau FOSS driver types:

kernel
DDX # optional, in place of above "modesetting" DIX display default
dri
Mesa
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Re: monitor/display problem.

2022-11-03 Thread Barry


> On 3 Nov 2022, at 21:53, home user  wrote:
> 
> (f36)
> 
> Good afternoon,
> 
> A short while ago, I did my weekly patches (dnf upgrade), and then re-booted. 
>  Just before that, the workstation display (dual monitor) was fine.  After 
> the reboot, only one display works. If I switch the monitor cables, I still 
> get a one-monitor display, but on the other monitor.  This leads me to think 
> that the problem is not with the monitors.  The display in the one monitor 
> looks a little fuzzy and stretched out horizontally.  I also notice at the 
> end of the boot log the following lines:
> -
> M
> [**] (2 of 3) Job plymouth-quit-wait.ser…tart 
> running (1min 17s / no limit)
> M
> [   ***] (2 of 3) Job 
> plymouth-quit-wait.ser…tart running (1min 17s / no limit)
> M
> [  *** ] (3 of 3) Job akmods.service/start 
> running (1min 18s / no limit)
> M
> [ ***  ] (3 of 3) Job akmods.service/start 
> running (1min 18s / no limit)
> M
> [  OK  ] Finished akmods.service[0…all new kmods from 
> akmod packages.
>  Starting nvidia-fallback.s… nouveau as nvidia did not 
> load...
> [  OK  ] Finished nvidia-fallback.s…to nouveau as nvidia 
> did not load.

Seems that you want to use the nvidia driver but it is not compiled and so the 
fallback nouveau is used.

Guess nouveau does not support 2 monitors.

Find the akmod logs for the nvidia build and see if there is a clue about what 
went wrong.

Barry

>  Starting gdm.service - GNOME Display Manager...
> [  OK  ] Started gdm.service - GNOME Display Manager.
> -
> (first and last lines are for context only)
> I can't memorize fast enough, but I did notice during the last boot lines 
> very much like (or identical to?) the lines above that mentioned "nvidia".
> 
> What is the problem?
> More important, how do I fix it?
> 
> thanks,
> Bill.
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monitor/display problem.

2022-11-03 Thread home user

(f36)

Good afternoon,

A short while ago, I did my weekly patches (dnf upgrade), and then 
re-booted.  Just before that, the workstation display (dual monitor) was 
fine.  After the reboot, only one display works. If I switch the monitor 
cables, I still get a one-monitor display, but on the other monitor.  
This leads me to think that the problem is not with the monitors.  The 
display in the one monitor looks a little fuzzy and stretched out 
horizontally.  I also notice at the end of the boot log the following lines:

-
M
[    **] (2 of 3) Job plymouth-quit-wait.ser…tart 
running (1min 17s / no limit)

M
[   ***] (2 of 3) Job 
plymouth-quit-wait.ser…tart running (1min 17s / no limit)

M
[  *** ] (3 of 3) Job 
akmods.service/start running (1min 18s / no limit)

M
[ ***  ] (3 of 3) Job 
akmods.service/start running (1min 18s / no limit)

M
[  OK  ] Finished akmods.service[0…all new kmods 
from akmod packages.
 Starting nvidia-fallback.s… nouveau as nvidia did 
not load...
[  OK  ] Finished nvidia-fallback.s…to nouveau as 
nvidia did not load.

 Starting gdm.service - GNOME Display Manager...
[  OK  ] Started gdm.service - GNOME Display 
Manager.

-
(first and last lines are for context only)
I can't memorize fast enough, but I did notice during the last boot 
lines very much like (or identical to?) the lines above that mentioned 
"nvidia".


What is the problem?
More important, how do I fix it?

thanks,
Bill.
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