nftables tutorial for dummies?
Hi All, Anyone have a favorite nftables tutorial for dummies? I am familiar with iptables, if that helps. This looks a bit complicated: https://wiki.nftables.org/wiki-nftables/index.php/Main_Page Many thanks, -T ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Tip: how to make your own resolv.conf
On 12/21/22 14:28, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Fedora is a bleeding- edge distro for a reason. That is a common, forgivable misunderstanding. Fedora is not next to bleeding edge. Fedora has a army of testers that keep the junk out that does not work right. The only ones I have know the testers to miss is Wine. But that too is understandable. Wine is beta at best. And would be next to impossible for the testers to test every Windows program against it. Wine 7 is trash. The testers are very much under appreciated. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: fwupd broke my wifi on new laptop
On Wed, 2022-12-21 at 07:11 -0500, Neal Becker wrote: > I'm not familiar with pinhole reset. Many devices have a tiny hole leading to a hidden reset button, that you have to poke something through to reset them. I wouldn't recommend actually using a pin, though. They can cause damage. I have a packet of wooden kebab sticks that get used for all sorts of things that have nothing to do with their original purpose, likewise with toothpicks and paperclips. > I waited for battery to drain. Yet another reason why I don't like batteries sealed in units. > Then powered up and booted fine! And the offending firmware is > reverted, and my wifi is working again. You're lucky that *that* firmware update is just a patch applied each runtime, then. If it had been and update that actually reflashed the device, it'd be a permanent change. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.80.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Nov 8 15:48:59 UTC 2022 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Tip: how to make your own resolv.conf
On Thu, 2022-12-22 at 08:45 +1030, Tim via users wrote: > Tim: > > > This is why I don't install a new release over the top of the > > > old, > > > you end up with a Rube Goldberg / Heath Robinson contraption > > > trying > > > to keep things going. > > Patrick O'Callaghan: > > That only happens if you don't make sure that your modifications > > carry > > over into the new version. I regularly update from one release to > > the > > next, check the .rpmnew and .rpmsave files (using rpmconf) and > > haven't > > had any problems. > > That works, up to a point. From one release to another, some method > of doing something changes, apps and services get withdrawn. When that happens, it is generally documented in the Release Notes, though some things might slip through the cracks. Fedora is a bleeding- edge distro for a reason. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: OT: Can Fedora upgrade firmware on WD SSD drives?
On Wed, 2022-12-21 at 11:46 -0600, Roger Heflin wrote: > Works at best means we tested it once and it worked for our simple > easy short term test (I have worked with an enterprise vendor that > certified hw/software combinations that would reliably crash more > often more than 1x per week under load, so their certification is not > worth a lot. And, unfortunately, people are used to that. People are used to certain OSs crashing, nepeatedly re-installing them, and seeing nothing wrong with that. It's what they've come to expect. Hardware's no different. Just the other day a friend was having a conversation about he shouldn't use the lowest speed on his car airconditioning because something might burn out (according to another person's advice). My counter was that all the features of the product presented to you should work properly. You shouldn't have to avoid doing something that you actually want to do for dumb reasons. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.80.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Nov 8 15:48:59 UTC 2022 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Tip: how to make your own resolv.conf
Tim: >> This is why I don't install a new release over the top of the old, >> you end up with a Rube Goldberg / Heath Robinson contraption trying >> to keep things going. Patrick O'Callaghan: > That only happens if you don't make sure that your modifications carry > over into the new version. I regularly update from one release to the > next, check the .rpmnew and .rpmsave files (using rpmconf) and haven't > had any problems. That works, up to a point. From one release to another, some method of doing something changes, apps and services get withdrawn. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.80.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Nov 8 15:48:59 UTC 2022 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Tip: how to make your own resolv.conf
> On 21 Dec 2022, at 19:11, ToddAndMargo via users > wrote: > > This time they disabled named-chroot, but I > caught it instantly. Who is they? I use named-chroot and no one disabled it when I upgraded from f36 to f37. Barry ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Tip: how to make your own resolv.conf
On 12/21/22 11:35, Barry Scott wrote: On 21 Dec 2022, at 19:11, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: This time they disabled named-chroot, but I caught it instantly. Who is they? Fedora's developers. I use named-chroot and no one disabled it when I upgraded from f36 to f37. H. The plot thickens! Barry ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Tip: how to make your own resolv.conf
On 12/21/22 07:39, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: That only happens if you don't make sure that your modifications carry over into the new version. I regularly update from one release to the next, check the .rpmnew and .rpmsave files (using rpmconf) and haven't had any problems. Of course if you change stuff outside what the package manager installs, all bets are off. poc Other than the frivolities I experienced this time, I have the same experience as you. My (prior to this) hassle was them disabling my systemctl start up links. I reported it a couple of times, but got back that I am suppose to know how to do that if I am going to use the package. You win some and you lose some. This time they disabled named-chroot, but I caught it instantly. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: OT: Can Fedora upgrade firmware on WD SSD drives?
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 12:47 PM Roger Heflin wrote: > >> Just for Information. I did get a response from WD that >> was a little concerning.. Some messages had mentioned >> perhaps hooking the disk to a windows machine and >> doing the updates, but the WD respone mentioned that >> they could not guaranty that the disk would still work >> with the windows updated firmware?? >> >> So, sounds like they really don't know what is going on >> with there own firmware upgrades? >> >> So, will definitely ignore the upgrades. Have some WD >> SSD drives that are the same, but have different >> firmware, but since they put no info on what is different >> in each firmware, better safe to leave what works alone. >> >> Thanks to all that have replied. Think WD would be more >> concerned with supporting disk for all OS's. Rather than >> only focus on windows only support. >> > No, that is legalize code for we do not guarantee this device will work with > any software at all. > > And you may brick the device and we won't warranty that unless the device is > still in warranty. > > I have found even with paid support, the answer support gives you (that it > will or won't work) is very often worthless. > > Works at best means we tested it once and it worked for our simple easy short > term test (I have worked with an enterprise vendor that certified hw/software > combinations that would reliably crash more often more than 1x per week under > load, so their certification is not worth a lot. A company can tell you whatever they want to dissuade you from engaging in support of filing a legal action. Telling you the firmware update may or may not work, and disclaiming a warranty on it, does not mean a thing. The firmware update has specific warranties attached to it by law. It is like driving behind a construction vehicle with a sign "Not responsible for debris falling off the vehicle." The law says they are responsible for their load. It does not matter what signs are posted on the truck, or what the sign says. (What companies are relying on is ignorance of the law. Don't believe anything a company or its lawyers tell you. A company is going to give you an answer that benefits the company, not you. If there's a controversy, take it to court and let someone else (judge or jury) decide the facts). Jeff ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: OT: Can Fedora upgrade firmware on WD SSD drives?
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 12:06 PM Michael D. Setzer II via users wrote: > [...] > Just for Information. I did get a response from WD that > was a little concerning.. Some messages had mentioned > perhaps hooking the disk to a windows machine and > doing the updates, but the WD respone mentioned that > they could not guaranty that the disk would still work > with the windows updated firmware?? > > So, sounds like they really don't know what is going on > with there own firmware upgrades? > > So, will definitely ignore the upgrades. Have some WD > SSD drives that are the same, but have different > firmware, but since they put no info on what is different > in each firmware, better safe to leave what works alone. I'm not sure how much of a Linux activist you are. But if you are into activism, please file a complaint with your state's Attorney General's office, and the Federal Trade Commission. The government needs the datapoints. If they don't have the datapoints, then there's nothing wrong in their eyes. If the drive or firmware is defective then they have an obligation to fix it. The drive and the firmware update must function as expected. There's an implicit warranty in play for the drive that cannot be disclaimed. The firmware update also has an implicit warranty that cannot be disclaimed. Telling you something may work or may fail does not meet the standards of law. Also see the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. (Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act and various state laws were enacted because companies would try to disclaim everything. Imagine if you went to a restaurant, ate the food and got sick. Disclaiming the warranty on the food as "not for human consumption" does not fly. The food carries an implicit warranty for its intended purpose - namely consumption. If you did get sick and sued the restaurant for a hospital bill, one of the claims you would raise is the one for implicit warranty). Jeff ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: OT: Can Fedora upgrade firmware on WD SSD drives?
> > Just for Information. I did get a response from WD that > was a little concerning.. Some messages had mentioned > perhaps hooking the disk to a windows machine and > doing the updates, but the WD respone mentioned that > they could not guaranty that the disk would still work > with the windows updated firmware?? > > So, sounds like they really don't know what is going on > with there own firmware upgrades? > > So, will definitely ignore the upgrades. Have some WD > SSD drives that are the same, but have different > firmware, but since they put no info on what is different > in each firmware, better safe to leave what works alone. > > Thanks to all that have replied. Think WD would be more > concerned with supporting disk for all OS's. Rather than > only focus on windows only support. > > Have a great day. > > > > No, that is legalize code for we do not guarantee this device will work with any software at all. And you may brick the device and we won't warranty that unless the device is still in warranty. I have found even with paid support, the answer support gives you (that it will or won't work) is very often worthless. Works at best means we tested it once and it worked for our simple easy short term test (I have worked with an enterprise vendor that certified hw/software combinations that would reliably crash more often more than 1x per week under load, so their certification is not worth a lot. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: OT: Can Fedora upgrade firmware on WD SSD drives?
On 21 Dec 2022 at 14:36, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Subject:Re: OT: Can Fedora upgrade firmware on WD SSD drives? From: Patrick O'Callaghan To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Date sent: Wed, 21 Dec 2022 14:36:22 + Send reply to: Community support for Fedora users > On Tue, 2022-12-20 at 10:51 +1030, Tim via users wrote: > > Michael D. Setzer II: > > > Don't know if makes any real difference or what > > > improvements firmware updates would do. > > > > Generally speaking, when things work, don't fiddle with them. > > Firmware > > is much more tricky than configuration files. It's harder to undo, > > if > > you can at all, if it goes haywire. > > > > Unless you know you have a bug, or that there is an update with > > details > > about what it will update (and such things actually appear to be an > > improvement), there's little point in changing things. > > > > -- > > > > uname -rsvp > > Linux 3.10.0-1160.80.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Nov 8 15:48:59 UTC 2022 > > x86_64 > > > > Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically > > deleted. > > I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing > > list. > > Agreed. I've had Samsung SSDs for several years and simply ignore these > updates, so far with no issues whatever. > Just for Information. I did get a response from WD that was a little concerning.. Some messages had mentioned perhaps hooking the disk to a windows machine and doing the updates, but the WD respone mentioned that they could not guaranty that the disk would still work with the windows updated firmware?? So, sounds like they really don't know what is going on with there own firmware upgrades? So, will definitely ignore the upgrades. Have some WD SSD drives that are the same, but have different firmware, but since they put no info on what is different in each firmware, better safe to leave what works alone. Thanks to all that have replied. Think WD would be more concerned with supporting disk for all OS's. Rather than only focus on windows only support. Have a great day. > poc > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue ++ Michael D. Setzer II - Computer Science Instructor (Retired) mailto:mi...@guam.net mailto:msetze...@gmail.com Guam - Where America's Day Begins G4L Disk Imaging Project maintainer http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/ ++ ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Tip: how to make your own resolv.conf
On Wed, 2022-12-21 at 11:13 +1030, Tim via users wrote: > On Tue, 2022-12-20 at 21:21 +, Jonathan Billings wrote: > > Now you have a system that won't do things that most fedora systems > > do out of the box. You've got a system that might pull in systemd- > > resolved at some point in the future if a dependency of some other > > package updates, and break your setup. > > > This is why I don't install a new release over the top of the old, > you end up with a Rube Goldberg / Heath Robinson contraption trying > to keep things going. That only happens if you don't make sure that your modifications carry over into the new version. I regularly update from one release to the next, check the .rpmnew and .rpmsave files (using rpmconf) and haven't had any problems. Of course if you change stuff outside what the package manager installs, all bets are off. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: OT: Can Fedora upgrade firmware on WD SSD drives?
On Tue, 2022-12-20 at 10:51 +1030, Tim via users wrote: > Michael D. Setzer II: > > Don't know if makes any real difference or what > > improvements firmware updates would do. > > Generally speaking, when things work, don't fiddle with them. > Firmware > is much more tricky than configuration files. It's harder to undo, > if > you can at all, if it goes haywire. > > Unless you know you have a bug, or that there is an update with > details > about what it will update (and such things actually appear to be an > improvement), there's little point in changing things. > > -- > > uname -rsvp > Linux 3.10.0-1160.80.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Nov 8 15:48:59 UTC 2022 > x86_64 > > Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically > deleted. > I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing > list. Agreed. I've had Samsung SSDs for several years and simply ignore these updates, so far with no issues whatever. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: fwupd broke my wifi on new laptop
Can you file it here please https://github.com/fwupd/firmware-lenovo/issues -- and then I'll tag the right people. Thanks R On Wed, 21 Dec 2022, 12:12 Neal Becker, wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 12:25 PM Richard Hughes > wrote: > >> On Tue, 20 Dec 2022 at 15:27, Jeffrey Walton wrote: >> > fwupdmgr is not well documented. The man pages suck >> >> Remember to be awesome. This is an open source project and the number >> of people writing documentation is less than one. >> >> Richard >> > I'm not familiar with pinhole reset. I waited for battery to drain. Then > powered up and booted fine! And the offending firmware is reverted, and my > wifi is working again. > > I don't know where to report the problem with the firmware update. > > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue > ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: fwupd broke my wifi on new laptop
On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 12:25 PM Richard Hughes wrote: > On Tue, 20 Dec 2022 at 15:27, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > fwupdmgr is not well documented. The man pages suck > > Remember to be awesome. This is an open source project and the number > of people writing documentation is less than one. > > Richard > I'm not familiar with pinhole reset. I waited for battery to drain. Then powered up and booted fine! And the offending firmware is reverted, and my wifi is working again. I don't know where to report the problem with the firmware update. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
