Re: Switching nvidia GPU cards - can multiple driver versions co-exist?

[Jon LaBadie]

On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 01:10:25PM +1030, Tim via users wrote:

On Mon, 2023-02-13 at 09:04 -0500, Jon LaBadie wrote:

After about 12 years of service my GPU card is starting
to act up.  It seems to shut down so no video on my
monitor, even the virtual consoles.  System is up and
functioning as I can access it via ssh.  Sometimes this
state is accompanied by the fan running at high speed
though the card is not overheating.


Re the "not overheating" are you judging by sensor readings, or have
you felt the card to see if it's hot?


from sensor readings via the nvidia-settings program.  Once I suspected
the video card I logged the output at 20 min intervals hoping to see
the temps rise.  Typically running in the low 30's (C) and reaching a
max of 44 degrees.  Fan speed ranged from 1200-1320 rpm.


I do general maintenance on my systems once or twice a year, cleaning
out the dust and fluff, reseating cards, sometimes replacing a fan.


Plan to do the same when I swap video cards.


Mind you, 12 years is a good service life in computing.  And a bit
surprising that you might be able to fit a modern one onto the same old
board.  Usually, technology changes make that difficult.


True.  My replacement, while unused, is not "current" but just a few 
generations newer than the failing one.  Installed is a 660TI and the

replacement is a 1660"super".

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Re: Adobe Acrobat Can't Find the pdf File When Trying to Display an Email Attachment in Thunderbird Daily

[Tim via users]

supplemental:

I should point out that I don't *use* Thunderbird.  I have it installed
(the one from Fedora's preinstallation, not a different "daily" one),
and can experiment with it, but I use Evolution.  Out of all the email
clients I've tried on Linux, it's the least-worst.  Not the best
recommendation, but that's how things evolved (pun intended)

Hunting around, I managed to find an email with a misidentified PDF
file attachment (as application/octet-stream).  Though I couldn't find
one with a blank space in the name.  

Evolution will open it when clicked on, just the same as a correctly
identified one (as application/pdf), in my PDF reader.  Or, perhaps I
should say that my system (Mate spin of F36) does, Evolution has no
obvious mimetype configuration options.

Thunderbird will open it when clicked on, within itself.  Likewise for
correctly identified ones.  I only get open, save-as, detach, delete
options, no open-with options, on the message reader.

If I go into the Thunderbird settings, and change PDF handling to an
external reader, it works (correctly and incorrectly identified
mimetyped files are opened externally).

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Re: Adobe Acrobat Can't Find the pdf File When Trying to Display an Email Attachment in Thunderbird Daily

[Tim via users]

Just following up on an older thread...


Tim:
>> You can try setting it to pass the file to xdg-open, and then
>> xdg-open will try opening the file in the right application for
>> what the file is.  See if that changes anything.

Stephen Morris:
> To use xdg-open do I need to save the attachment first, or if not,
> when I am clicking on the attachment in the attachment bar at the
> bottom of the mail, to browse the attachment, how do I pass that into
> xdg-open?

xdg-open is a file handler program.  Hand it a file, and it'll decide
what to do with it based on its own rules (determining the type of
file, and the appropriate/preferred application to read it), making it
a useful default to handle unknown (application/octet-stream) files
from the mail.  In your mailer, you'd set it (xdg-open) as the default
program for such files, and/or any other files you'd like to palm off
to it.  So, instead of setting acrobat in the attachment preferences,
you'd set xdg-open.

Elsewhere, in xdg's settings, you'd tell it what your preferences are
for handling PDF files.  This stage of configuration, I don't remember
the process.  Your desktop "preferred applications" configurator may
set them for you, or it might just set its own preferred applications.

If your mail program "opens" the file, it'll send it to the application
configured in your mail program.  If you "save" a file, it just gets
directly saved to your drive.

The advantage of using xdg-open for application/octet-stream
attachments is that if you receive a PDF sent that way, xdg-open should
(could) use the right reader to view a PDF; if you get sent a JPEG as
application/octet-stream, xdg-open should use an image viewer to view
the JPEG.  Likewise for any other file mis-sent as that generic binary
description, it'd analyse the file and open it appropriately.

The alternative is that people try setting a PDF reader as the
application for application/octet-stream attachments, then things foul
up when they receive something other that PDF sent that way.  And they
will receive various things misidentified that way.

Ideally, you should never receive any of the common types of files
misidentifed as that generic unknown binary mimetype, they've been
known about for decades.

I tend to save attached files and open the saved file, I'm not fond of
directly opening attachments.  I often find that doesn't work as
straight-forwardly as you might wish.
> 

> The attachments are being saved to a sub-folder of /tmp where the 
> sub-folder name looks like it may have been named to reflect the pid
> of Thunderbird.

I would expect any of your applications ought to be able to open any
file saved in your name.  There could be SELinux implications.

Did it save the file with a .pdf suffix, too?

>> A wild thought:  Is it a filename with blank spaces in it?

> The attachment that is mimetype application/binary-octet does have 
> embedded blanks in the attachment name, the attachment that is
> mimetype application/pdf doesn't have embedded blanks in the
> attachment name.

That can foul things up.  It's 2023, but some applications still have
grief dealing with filenames with spaces in it.  And there are so many
people using computers who never learnt that it can be a problem.

> Interestingly, I registered Acrobat as the default application for 
> mimetype application/pdf, so when I clicked on the application/pdf 
> mimetype attachment the prompt asked me if I wanted to open it the 
> default of Acrobat, but to check to location of the file I selected 
> Okular instead.
> When I then opened the email that had the mimetype 
> application/binary-octet attachment, when I clicked on the attachment
> the prompt asked me if I wanted to open the file in Okular even
> though it had Acrobat as the default.

"What" has Acrobat set as the default?  Thunderbird's setting for
handling application/pdf or application/octet-stream?  Your desktop's
settings?


Mimetyping works thus:

When someone attaches a file to be sent, their software *should*
*correctly* identify the type of file it is in the mimetype header (and
in 2023 all programs that weren't written by a fool ought to know what
a PDF file is).

When you receive such an email, your email program should obey the
mimetype header, and nothing else.  If the headers says its a PDF file,
then it hands it off to a PDF reader, no matter what the file really
is.  Likewise for JPEGs, if the header says its a JPEG it hands it off
to the JPEG reader, even if it's not a JPEG.  Et cetera...

If an attachment is described as application/octet-stream, it becomes a
"not my problem" issue to the mail program.  You're expected to deal
with it by saving it and sorting it out yourself, or some other aspect
of your operating system may handle it (e.g xdg-open).  The file is
palmed off.  Thunderbird isn't told what it is externally, and doesn't
then open the file using your PDF viewer configured in Thunderbird. 
Thunderbird doesn't do anything with that file.

Re: Switching nvidia GPU cards - can multiple driver versions co-exist?

[Tim via users]

On Mon, 2023-02-13 at 09:04 -0500, Jon LaBadie wrote:
> After about 12 years of service my GPU card is starting
> to act up.  It seems to shut down so no video on my
> monitor, even the virtual consoles.  System is up and
> functioning as I can access it via ssh.  Sometimes this
> state is accompanied by the fan running at high speed
> though the card is not overheating.

Re the "not overheating" are you judging by sensor readings, or have
you felt the card to see if it's hot?

I do general maintenance on my systems once or twice a year, cleaning
out the dust and fluff, reseating cards, sometimes replacing a fan.

Mind you, 12 years is a good service life in computing.  And a bit
surprising that you might be able to fit a modern one onto the same old
board.  Usually, technology changes make that difficult.
 
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Re: Kernel drivers RT2870

[Jonathan Billings]

On Feb 13, 2023, at 07:29, Ralf Corsépius  wrote:
> 
>> Am 13.02.23 um 04:35 schrieb Bill Cunningham:
>> IDK if anyone is familiar with this series of legacy products/drivers or 
> 
> I am not familiar with these drivers, but AFAIS, they seem to be in Fedora's 
> kernel:
> 
> # modinfo rt2800usb
> filename: 
> /lib/modules/6.1.10-200.fc37.x86_64/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ralink/rt2x00/rt2800usb.ko.xz
> license:GPL
> firmware:   rt2870.bin
> description:Ralink RT2800 USB Wireless LAN driver.
> ...

Make sure you also have an up to date “linux-firmware” package, which includes 
the required /usr/lib/firmware/rt2870.bin.xz. 

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Re: Kernel drivers RT2870

[Roger Heflin]

insmod is the original low level way to do it and you need the full
path and module filename.

modprobe knows the correct kernel and knows where all modules are
supposed to be install so should just work(assuming a depmod was run
to build the name -> filename mappings).

dmesg | grep -i rt28   and see if it finds a device.

if it does then
"ip link show"

if it does not work do a
lsusb  and return that output.  the ID : needs to be shown in
the modinfo as an alias, if not the module does not see the device as
something it is a driver for.


On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 3:34 PM Barry Scott  wrote:
>
>
>
> On 13 Feb 2023, at 19:12, Bill C  wrote:
>
> When I use these tools I get nothing. I ran insmod, that would not install 
> anything. I was thinking there are a bunch of dependencies needed. I must 
> need to install more packages or I will try the live workstation later.
>
>
> I have always used modprobe not insmod. I wondered why and RTFM'ed and found 
> this in the insmod man page.
>
> "insmod is a trivial program to insert a module into the kernel. Most
> users will want to use modprobe(8) instead, which is more clever and
> can handle module dependencies."
>
> Does modprobe get you further?
>
> Barry
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2023, 7:29 AM Ralf Corsépius  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 13.02.23 um 04:35 schrieb Bill Cunningham:
>> > IDK if anyone is familiar with this series of legacy products/drivers or
>>
>> I am not familiar with these drivers, but AFAIS, they seem to be in
>> Fedora's kernel:
>>
>> # modinfo rt2800usb
>> filename:
>> /lib/modules/6.1.10-200.fc37.x86_64/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ralink/rt2x00/rt2800usb.ko.xz
>> license:GPL
>> firmware:   rt2870.bin
>> description:Ralink RT2800 USB Wireless LAN driver.
>> ...
>>
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Re: Kernel drivers RT2870

[Barry Scott]

> On 13 Feb 2023, at 19:12, Bill C  wrote:
> 
> When I use these tools I get nothing. I ran insmod, that would not install 
> anything. I was thinking there are a bunch of dependencies needed. I must 
> need to install more packages or I will try the live workstation later.

I have always used modprobe not insmod. I wondered why and RTFM'ed and found 
this in the insmod man page.

"insmod is a trivial program to insert a module into the kernel. Most
users will want to use modprobe(8) instead, which is more clever and
can handle module dependencies."

Does modprobe get you further?

Barry


> 
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2023, 7:29 AM Ralf Corsépius  > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Am 13.02.23 um 04:35 schrieb Bill Cunningham:
>> > IDK if anyone is familiar with this series of legacy products/drivers or 
>> 
>> I am not familiar with these drivers, but AFAIS, they seem to be in 
>> Fedora's kernel:
>> 
>> # modinfo rt2800usb
>> filename: 
>> /lib/modules/6.1.10-200.fc37.x86_64/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ralink/rt2x00/rt2800usb.ko.xz
>> license:GPL
>> firmware:   rt2870.bin
>> description:Ralink RT2800 USB Wireless LAN driver.
>> ...
>> 
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Re: Kernel drivers RT2870

[Bill C]

When I use these tools I get nothing. I ran insmod, that would not install
anything. I was thinking there are a bunch of dependencies needed. I must
need to install more packages or I will try the live workstation later.

On Mon, Feb 13, 2023, 7:29 AM Ralf Corsépius  wrote:

>
>
> Am 13.02.23 um 04:35 schrieb Bill Cunningham:
> > IDK if anyone is familiar with this series of legacy products/drivers or
>
> I am not familiar with these drivers, but AFAIS, they seem to be in
> Fedora's kernel:
>
> # modinfo rt2800usb
> filename:
>
> /lib/modules/6.1.10-200.fc37.x86_64/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ralink/rt2x00/rt2800usb.ko.xz
> license:GPL
> firmware:   rt2870.bin
> description:Ralink RT2800 USB Wireless LAN driver.
> ...
>
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Re: Switching nvidia GPU cards - can multiple driver versions co-exist?

[Barry]

> On 13 Feb 2023, at 14:05, Jon LaBadie  wrote:
> 
> After about 12 years of service my GPU card is starting
> to act up.  It seems to shut down so no video on my
> monitor, even the virtual consoles.  System is up and
> functioning as I can access it via ssh.  Sometimes this
> state is accompanied by the fan running at high speed
> though the card is not overheating.
> 
> The old card uses nvidia's 470 series of drivers while
> its replacement will use the 525 series.
> 
> Can I pre-install the 525 packages so they are present
> when I reboot after I install the new hardware?  I.e.
> can both series be installed without consequence?

Given you have ssh access i would
remove the 470 drivers.
Power down
Install new card
Boot up and install new drivers via ssh.

You should also have console access without any driver installed I would guess.

Barry

> 
> Thanks,
> jon
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Re: Switching nvidia GPU cards - can multiple driver versions co-exist?

[John Pilkington]

On 13/02/2023 15:27, Roger Heflin wrote:

If the new card is supported with the 470 driver then I would replace
the card while the 470 driver is running.

Then do the upgrade.

Both drivers have the same name so you will not be able to have both
installed and built in /lib/modules at the same time.


My /lib/modules/ has nvidia modules identified by

extra/nvidia-470xx/ .XXX.ko.xz

so it should be able to make the distinction.


On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 8:05 AM Jon LaBadie  wrote:


After about 12 years of service my GPU card is starting
to act up.  It seems to shut down so no video on my
monitor, even the virtual consoles.  System is up and
functioning as I can access it via ssh.  Sometimes this
state is accompanied by the fan running at high speed
though the card is not overheating.

The old card uses nvidia's 470 series of drivers while
its replacement will use the 525 series.

Can I pre-install the 525 packages so they are present
when I reboot after I install the new hardware?  I.e.
can both series be installed without consequence?

Thanks,
jon

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Re: Switching nvidia GPU cards - can multiple driver versions co-exist?

[Jon LaBadie]

On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 09:27:40AM -0600, Roger Heflin wrote:

If the new card is supported with the 470 driver then I would replace
the card while the 470 driver is running.

Then do the upgrade.


Ahh, good thought.  I only checked the recommended drivers for the card.  
I didn't check the cards supported by the drivers.


Yes, the current driver I'm using, the 470 series does support both
the old and the new card models.  The 525 series driver only supports
the new card.

Thanks for the suggestion.

Jon



Both drivers have the same name so you will not be able to have both
installed and built in /lib/modules at the same time.

On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 8:05 AM Jon LaBadie  wrote:


After about 12 years of service my GPU card is starting
to act up.  It seems to shut down so no video on my
monitor, even the virtual consoles.  System is up and
functioning as I can access it via ssh.  Sometimes this
state is accompanied by the fan running at high speed
though the card is not overheating.

The old card uses nvidia's 470 series of drivers while
its replacement will use the 525 series.

Can I pre-install the 525 packages so they are present
when I reboot after I install the new hardware?  I.e.
can both series be installed without consequence?

Thanks,
jon



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Re: Switching nvidia GPU cards - can multiple driver versions co-exist?

[Roger Heflin]

If the new card is supported with the 470 driver then I would replace
the card while the 470 driver is running.

Then do the upgrade.

Both drivers have the same name so you will not be able to have both
installed and built in /lib/modules at the same time.

On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 8:05 AM Jon LaBadie  wrote:
>
> After about 12 years of service my GPU card is starting
> to act up.  It seems to shut down so no video on my
> monitor, even the virtual consoles.  System is up and
> functioning as I can access it via ssh.  Sometimes this
> state is accompanied by the fan running at high speed
> though the card is not overheating.
>
> The old card uses nvidia's 470 series of drivers while
> its replacement will use the 525 series.
>
> Can I pre-install the 525 packages so they are present
> when I reboot after I install the new hardware?  I.e.
> can both series be installed without consequence?
>
> Thanks,
> jon
>
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Re: Switching nvidia GPU cards - can multiple driver versions co-exist?

[stan via users]

On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 09:04:39 -0500
Jon LaBadie  wrote:

> Can I pre-install the 525 packages so they are present
> when I reboot after I install the new hardware?  I.e.
> can both series be installed without consequence?

I don't have an nvidia card, but while I think this is theoretically
possible (I have both radeo and amdgpu installed in my kernel modules),
I don't think it works in actual practice for nvidia. This is really a
question for the rpmfusion user mailing list who package these drivers,
or nvidia itself. You might find the answer in faqs at the nvidia site
when they talk about installing their binary drivers.
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Switching nvidia GPU cards - can multiple driver versions co-exist?

[Jon LaBadie]

After about 12 years of service my GPU card is starting
to act up.  It seems to shut down so no video on my
monitor, even the virtual consoles.  System is up and
functioning as I can access it via ssh.  Sometimes this
state is accompanied by the fan running at high speed
though the card is not overheating.

The old card uses nvidia's 470 series of drivers while
its replacement will use the 525 series.

Can I pre-install the 525 packages so they are present
when I reboot after I install the new hardware?  I.e.
can both series be installed without consequence?

Thanks,
jon

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Re: Kernel drivers RT2870

[Ralf Corsépius]

Am 13.02.23 um 14:08 schrieb Bill C:

Ok, I see. That looks like them. Do you just use insmod?


Probably - Definitely something worth trying.

However, in my understanding, the driver should be autoloaded if it 
detects a suitable device.


May-be the usb id of your device doesn't match with one of those the 
driver claims to support (cf. "alias" in modinfo rt2800usb)?
In this case, filing a BZ and patching the kernel sources would likely 
be appropriate.



Ralf


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Re: Kernel drivers RT2870

[Bill C]

Ok, I see. That looks like them. Do you just use insmod?

On Mon, Feb 13, 2023, 7:29 AM Ralf Corsépius  wrote:

>
>
> Am 13.02.23 um 04:35 schrieb Bill Cunningham:
> > IDK if anyone is familiar with this series of legacy products/drivers or
>
> I am not familiar with these drivers, but AFAIS, they seem to be in
> Fedora's kernel:
>
> # modinfo rt2800usb
> filename:
>
> /lib/modules/6.1.10-200.fc37.x86_64/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ralink/rt2x00/rt2800usb.ko.xz
> license:GPL
> firmware:   rt2870.bin
> description:Ralink RT2800 USB Wireless LAN driver.
> ...
>
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Re: Kernel drivers RT2870

[Ralf Corsépius]

Am 13.02.23 um 04:35 schrieb Bill Cunningham:
IDK if anyone is familiar with this series of legacy products/drivers or 


I am not familiar with these drivers, but AFAIS, they seem to be in 
Fedora's kernel:


# modinfo rt2800usb
filename: 
/lib/modules/6.1.10-200.fc37.x86_64/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ralink/rt2x00/rt2800usb.ko.xz

license:GPL
firmware:   rt2870.bin
description:Ralink RT2800 USB Wireless LAN driver.
...

Ralf
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