Re: Fedora 40 - KeePass fails to run

[John List]

Thanks.  I just looked at the other versions to see how they differ.  They
are forks off the original.  I prefer to stay with the main one.  I did
open a bug and they traced it to "Confirmed this is caused by zlib-ng
migration.".  I am not sure when it will get fixed.  It is an inconvenience
to me as all of my passwords are in the application.  But my machine is
dual boot.  So I was able to copy my vault over to windows and retrieve my
passwords there.

John

On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 9:26 PM Lester Petrie 
wrote:

>
>
> On 4/28/2024 5:52 PM, Go Canes wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 10:12 AM John List  > > wrote:
> >  > Just an FYI that KeePass is failing to run on my recently upgraded
> > Fedora 40 machine.  I'm not sure of the correct place to report the
> issue.
> >
> > There are several keepass* alternatives:
> > keepassx.x86_64
> > keepassxc.x86_64
> > keepass.x86_64
> > keepassx0.x86_64
> >
> > Perhaps one of them will work better?  FWIW I use keepassxc, but I am on
> > f38 (and now upgrading to f39).
> >
>
> I have upgraded to F40, and keepassxc.x86_64 is working fine for me.
>
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Re: Fedora 40 - KeePass fails to run

[Lester Petrie]

On 4/28/2024 5:52 PM, Go Canes wrote:
On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 10:12 AM John List > wrote:
 > Just an FYI that KeePass is failing to run on my recently upgraded 
Fedora 40 machine.  I'm not sure of the correct place to report the issue.


There are several keepass* alternatives:
keepassx.x86_64
keepassxc.x86_64
keepass.x86_64
keepassx0.x86_64

Perhaps one of them will work better?  FWIW I use keepassxc, but I am on 
f38 (and now upgrading to f39).




I have upgraded to F40, and keepassxc.x86_64 is working fine for me.

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Re: Live USB extra space

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 4/28/24 15:04, Michael Hennebry wrote:

If you are really makking the spin yourself,


I am just downloading it

https://fedoraproject.org/spins/mate/


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Re: Live USB extra space

[Michael Hennebry]

On Sat, 27 Apr 2024, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:


I "Finally" have a customer interested in Fedora.  I
talked him into letting me spin a Live USB flash drive
for him to play with before we jump ahead.

Question:  Is there a way to use the extra space on the
drive to install a few more programs for him to experiment
with?


If you are really makking the spin yourself,
you should be able to put anything you want on it.
I infer that you are actually copying a .iso file to a USB stick.

I have on occasion installed a Fedora system onto
an SD card sitting in a USB SD card reader/writer.
Do the install.
Update.
Add stuff you want.
Hand it to customer.
You might want to make /bin /usr/bin and some
other directories and their files unwriteable.

Another possibility.
IIRC a .iso file will boot from a partition.
Give the flash device two partitions.
Make the first partition a copy of the .iso file.
In the other partition, put a bunch of .rpm's
and a script that the customer can click on.

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Re: Fedora 40 - KeePass fails to run

[Go Canes]

On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 10:12 AM John List  wrote:
> Just an FYI that KeePass is failing to run on my recently upgraded Fedora
40 machine.  I'm not sure of the correct place to report the issue.

There are several keepass* alternatives:
keepassx.x86_64
keepassxc.x86_64
keepass.x86_64
keepassx0.x86_64

Perhaps one of them will work better?  FWIW I use keepassxc, but I am on
f38 (and now upgrading to f39).
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Re: Fedora 40 - KeePass fails to run

[Robert McBroom via users]

On 4/25/24 10:11, John List wrote:

Hi,

Just an FYI that KeePass is failing to run on my recently upgraded 
Fedora 40 machine.  I'm not sure of the correct place to report the issue.


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Re: how long does dnf system-upgrade take?

[Robert McBroom via users]

On 4/14/24 14:20, Tim via users wrote:

On Sun, 2024-04-14 at 09:49 -0400, Fulko Hew wrote:

Then in corporate life, I needed to ensure a stable development
environment.

This is one of the big problems with computers in the work place.  You
may have single-task computers which you want to work, and not mess
around with.  You may have a need for particular jobs that will always
work in a certain way.  Things in development can take ages to
complete, and that's just sorting out your own needs, never mind having
to deal with a system changing as well.  System updates can pull the
rug out from under you.

Computer systems with long life spans are essential in such
environments, things that require replacing every 6 months or so are a
real nuisance (to put it mildly).

Let's be clear, we're not talking about annoying changes to how the
desktop looks, that can be put up with.  But when you find essential
software and/or hardware doesn't work anymore, or doesn't exist
anymore, and support libraries are incompatible, that's a deal-breaker.

It's a part of the reasons Linux gets minimal support with hardware
(printers, graphics cards, scanners, whatever).  Those manufacturers
don't want to be dealing with ever-changing infrastructure where
someone else is making all these changes.  And there's every chance
that by the time they've developed their gadget and software for it, a
Linux distro has changed OSs twice.


After F33, it became an issue that I didn't want to migrate because
I'd typically be losing functionality or user-convenience.

During F33 to 34/35 migration I remember losing all of my KiCad
customizations for chips and connectors I had downloaded.
During this F35 to F39 migration, I've lost the convenience of a
Fedora supported FreeCAD.

Addressing an issue someone else replied with:  While one can try
installing old software onto new systems, you often find it cannot be
installed or run.  It's not compatible.

Even the newer idea of the big-blob appimage (and their ilk) that's
mostly self-contained without relying (much) on system libraries, and
one blob is supposed to work on various different distros can fail to
work on different versions of an OS.

So yes, change is a pain.  In certain environments computers will never
get updates.  Once it's working, they'll keep it in that condition.
It's not a problem with non-networked systems, but risky with networked
ones.

I have a very old Mac in that boat (changes stuffed things up).  It's
used for video editing with Final Cut Pro, and that's its sole task.  I
kept updating for a while, but it can't be any more.  They limit the
newest OS you can put on it.  And somewhere along the way, one of the
Final Cut Pro updates became very crashy, and no further updates fixed
that issue, and it wasn't possible to go back to a prior version that
was stable.


P.S. And with every upgrade, software just gets slower.

I certainly noticed that with Windows.  They seemed to just cobble
patch upon patch, rather than replace borked things with working ones.

I can't say I've *directly* encountered upgrade slowdowns with Linux
software.  Though I have in the sense that Gnome and KDE developers
seem to think everyone has a PC with an insanely powerful graphics card
and oodles of RAM to just run the desktop.  I don't care about the damn
desktop, it's applications I want to use.


Real problem for scientific systems. Scientific Linux that was going to 
provide some stability died. CERN is trying to roll their own version of 
CENTOS 8,9 since its promise of more stability was moot. Seen many 
instances of measurement hardware dependent on systems that passed away, 
OS/2. Now we are being told that our cars will die when the software is 
unavailable!

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Re: fail2ban on F40 is quiet

[Patrick Mansfield via users]

On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 12:59:49PM -0400, Frank Bures wrote:
> On 2024-04-28 11:39, Barry wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > On 28 Apr 2024, at 16:31, Frank Bures  wrote:
> > > 
> > > The problem is that there are no connection attempts in /var/log/secure 
> > > or /var/log/messages so obviously f2b has nothing to do.
> > 
> > Maybe the logs are in the journal and nothing is updating the legacy 
> > /var/log files?
> > What does journalctl report?
> > 
> > Barry
> 
> That was it!
> 
> How do I make sshd to log to secure as before?

Best to just use journalctl, logging to other files generally just duplicates 
what's also
found in the journald log.

journalctl -u sshd

And more per "man journalctl".
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Re: fail2ban on F40 is quiet

[Frank Bures]

On 2024-04-28 12:59, Frank Bures wrote:

On 2024-04-28 11:39, Barry wrote:




On 28 Apr 2024, at 16:31, Frank Bures  wrote:

The problem is that there are no connection attempts in /var/log/secure 
or /var/log/messages so obviously f2b has nothing to do.


Maybe the logs are in the journal and nothing is updating the legacy 
/var/log files?

What does journalctl report?

Barry


That was it!

How do I make sshd to log to secure as before?



OK, here's the deal.

The problem has nothing to do with f2b and everything to do with EERO 
update that coincided with my F40 upgrade.
The previous version of EERO firmware apparently quietly ignored its 
firewall settings and let anything through.  The new firmware 
re-established the proper functioning firewall, hence only my pre-defined 
sshd ports were left open.  As no attacker hit them, there was nothing for 
f2b to do.
I tested the hypothesis by opening port 22 on EERO and bang, f2b is as busy 
as before.


I apologize for my hasty posting.

Cheers
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Re: fail2ban on F40 is quiet

[Frank Bures]

On 2024-04-28 11:39, Barry wrote:




On 28 Apr 2024, at 16:31, Frank Bures  wrote:

The problem is that there are no connection attempts in /var/log/secure or 
/var/log/messages so obviously f2b has nothing to do.


Maybe the logs are in the journal and nothing is updating the legacy /var/log 
files?
What does journalctl report?

Barry


That was it!

How do I make sshd to log to secure as before?

Thanks
Frank


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Re: Live USB extra space

[Mike Wright]

On 4/27/24 21:21, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Hi All,

I "Finally" have a customer interested in Fedora.  I
talked him into letting me spin a Live USB flash drive
for him to play with before we jump ahead.

Question:  Is there a way to use the extra space on the
drive to install a few more programs for him to experiment
with?


https://www.baeldung.com/linux/easy2boot-live-usb-persistence
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Re: fail2ban on F40 is quiet

[Barry]

> On 28 Apr 2024, at 16:31, Frank Bures  wrote:
> 
> The problem is that there are no connection attempts in /var/log/secure or 
> /var/log/messages so obviously f2b has nothing to do.

Maybe the logs are in the journal and nothing is updating the legacy /var/log 
files?
What does journalctl report?

Barry
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Re: Live USB extra space

[Barry]

> On 28 Apr 2024, at 05:21, ToddAndMargo via users 
>  wrote:
> 
> Question:  Is there a way to use the extra space on the
> drive to install a few more programs for him to experiment
> with?

What I do is use the installer USB to install onto a second USB device.
The second one will have writable space that you can install software in the 
normal way.

Barry
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Re: fail2ban on F40 is quiet

[Frank Bures]

On 2024-04-28 10:58, Richard Shaw wrote:
On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 9:31 AM Frank Bures > wrote:


Hi,

My machine is exposed to the wild and I was seeing hundreds of connection
attempts per day in my logs and in fail2ban.log.

All these nefarious activities ceased after upgrade to F40.

Question:
Is there something fundamentally different in F40 connectivity?
I can still connect from outside on pre-defined ports using ssh so my ISP
is not blocking anything.


I would try this update and see if it fixes your problem. There's also a 
new release but I want this to go stable first.


https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2024-95a6cdf26b 



Installed the update. Will report.

Cheers
Frank

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Re: fail2ban on F40 is quiet

[Frank Bures]

On 2024-04-28 11:03, Charles Dennett wrote:



On 4/28/24 10:31 AM, Frank Bures wrote:

Hi,

My machine is exposed to the wild and I was seeing hundreds of connection 
attempts per day in my logs and in fail2ban.log.


All these nefarious activities ceased after upgrade to F40.

Question:
Is there something fundamentally different in F40 connectivity?
I can still connect from outside on pre-defined ports using ssh so my ISP 
is not blocking anything.


I also use fail2ban to keep the riff-raff out of my home web server.  I 
also have ssh on a non-standard port and smtp and imap/pop.  I saw no 
difference between 39 and 40.  I even have some jails set to aggressive 
mode plus one wrong move and the IP is banned.  Sorry, but I have to ask.  
It is running, right?  What are the lines in the fail2ban log when it 
starts?  Can you connect from the outside to whatever ports you have open?  
Does "sudo systemctl status fail2ban" tell you anything?


Those were the first things I checked.  Everything is OK.

The problem is that there are no connection attempts in /var/log/secure or 
/var/log/messages so obviously f2b has nothing to do.  There are only 
legitimate connections by me in the logs.  Where have all the attackers gone?


Cheers
Frank

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Re: fail2ban on F40 is quiet

[Charles Dennett]

On 4/28/24 10:31 AM, Frank Bures wrote:

Hi,

My machine is exposed to the wild and I was seeing hundreds of 
connection attempts per day in my logs and in fail2ban.log.


All these nefarious activities ceased after upgrade to F40.

Question:
Is there something fundamentally different in F40 connectivity?
I can still connect from outside on pre-defined ports using ssh so my 
ISP is not blocking anything.


I also use fail2ban to keep the riff-raff out of my home web server.  I 
also have ssh on a non-standard port and smtp and imap/pop.  I saw no 
difference between 39 and 40.  I even have some jails set to aggressive 
mode plus one wrong move and the IP is banned.  Sorry, but I have to 
ask.  It is running, right?  What are the lines in the fail2ban log when 
it starts?  Can you connect from the outside to whatever ports you have 
open?  Does "sudo systemctl status fail2ban" tell you anything?


Charlie
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Re: fail2ban on F40 is quiet

[Richard Shaw]

On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 9:31 AM Frank Bures  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> My machine is exposed to the wild and I was seeing hundreds of connection
> attempts per day in my logs and in fail2ban.log.
>
> All these nefarious activities ceased after upgrade to F40.
>
> Question:
> Is there something fundamentally different in F40 connectivity?
> I can still connect from outside on pre-defined ports using ssh so my ISP
> is not blocking anything.
>

I would try this update and see if it fixes your problem. There's also a
new release but I want this to go stable first.

https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2024-95a6cdf26b

Thanks,
Richard
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fail2ban on F40 is quiet

[Frank Bures]

Hi,

My machine is exposed to the wild and I was seeing hundreds of connection 
attempts per day in my logs and in fail2ban.log.


All these nefarious activities ceased after upgrade to F40.

Question:
Is there something fundamentally different in F40 connectivity?
I can still connect from outside on pre-defined ports using ssh so my ISP 
is not blocking anything.


Thanks
Frank


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Re: Live USB extra space

[George N. White III]

On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 1:21 AM ToddAndMargo via users <
users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I "Finally" have a customer interested in Fedora.  I
> talked him into letting me spin a Live USB flash drive
> for him to play with before we jump ahead.
>

I'm seeing some large organizations interested in getting away
from Windows -- they can drop in systems (ones that won't run
Win 11 and otherwise headed to a reseller/recycler) with Linux
configured for their use cases.


>
> Question:  Is there a way to use the extra space on the
> drive to install a few more programs for him to experiment
> with?
>

The Live USB isn't suitable for such demo installs.   Fedora
runs well on portable USB3 SSD's (I have one NVMe and one
SATA case with 128 and 256 GB drives removed from Windows
systems that needed more space).  These give "full" experience.
Nvidia graphics may be an issue -- the Live Environment provides
nouveau which may not meet the needs of some users.

Over the years I've introduced Unix (SGI IRIX64, NeXT) and Linux
to many users (mostly PhD level biologists whose previous experience
was on Windows or macOS) because they needed to use some niche
command-line software for batch processing.

A few users refuse to use command-line and shell processing, and would
spend days with an editor creating a ".bat" script and fixing typos in
100's
of lines that only differed in file names.

Users new to Linux need (now more than ever as web searches increasingly
provide bad advice) to have a trustworthy reference such as Linux Command
on their machine.   For Fedora, you might add basic references for
journalctl
and SElinux.

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Re: Live USB extra space

[Richard Shaw]

On Sat, Apr 27, 2024 at 11:21 PM ToddAndMargo via users <
users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I "Finally" have a customer interested in Fedora.  I
> talked him into letting me spin a Live USB flash drive
> for him to play with before we jump ahead.
>
> Question:  Is there a way to use the extra space on the
> drive to install a few more programs for him to experiment
> with?
>

There used to be a way to make it semi-permanent but I don't think that's
supported anymore. But it would only record changes to the file system (all
changes were appended) so you would eventually use up the space.

In this case I might be tempted to do a real install to a USB stick or
similar. I actually had a full install on a M.2 SATA in a USB 3.0 enclosure.

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: Live USB extra space

[Sam Varshavchik]

ToddAndMargo via users writes:


Hi All,

I "Finally" have a customer interested in Fedora.  I
talked him into letting me spin a Live USB flash drive
for him to play with before we jump ahead.

Question:  Is there a way to use the extra space on the
drive to install a few more programs for him to experiment
with?


iso9660 is pretty much a read-only format. If there's a spare USB port on  
the hardware you can put more stuff on a separate USB stick and mount it.




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Re: Live USB extra space

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 4/28/24 01:51, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Sat, 2024-04-27 at 21:21 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Hi All,

I "Finally" have a customer interested in Fedora.  I
talked him into letting me spin a Live USB flash drive
for him to play with before we jump ahead.

Question:  Is there a way to use the extra space on the
drive to install a few more programs for him to experiment
with?


Can't you you install them on the running system?

poc


No.  The customer wants to play with it to see if he
want to ditch Windows 11 or not.  If he likes Fedora,
then yes.
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Re: Live USB extra space

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2024-04-27 at 21:21 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I "Finally" have a customer interested in Fedora.  I
> talked him into letting me spin a Live USB flash drive
> for him to play with before we jump ahead.
> 
> Question:  Is there a way to use the extra space on the
> drive to install a few more programs for him to experiment
> with?

Can't you you install them on the running system?

poc
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