Re: gnutls, openssl and compiling mutt
On Sat, Nov 01, 2014 at 07:27:11PM +0100, Heinz Diehl wrote: On 01.11.2014, Alexander Volovics wrote: I don't expect it will do any good to copy the general certificates to the Mac. Are there any CA-certificates installed on the Mac which are available to mutt? If not, it could be the cause of your problem. I will stop investigating this problem at the moment. It has already taken up too much time without any success. I dicovered that mutt was also compiled linked to the latest openssl in a version of Antergos Linux I had installed in a spare partition. Mutt aborted the TLS connection there too. You would think that if you include mutt and openssl it would work more or less out of the box, but no. As Antergos is Linux I thought it was easier to investigate things there, but no. To begin openssl was implemented quite diferently than in Fedora: no /etc/pki/ and no /etc/pki/tls and no cert.pem - /etc/pki/ca-trust/extracted/pem/tls-ca-bundle.pem and nothing resembling 'tls-ca-bundle.pem'. All the certificates were just lumped together in /etc/ssl/certs/ including one file 'ca-certificates.crt' also mentioned in the man of muttrc. No docs to explain anything so again you would think that the mutt/openssl combo would have been 'primed' to work together in an obvious way. Nothing I tried 'suggested' by man mutt, man muttrc, man openssl worked. Googling didn't give usefull hints. Asking in the Antergos forum yielded nothing. So I gave up. Then OSX. In the HomeBrew openssl directory there were 2 pem files: cert.pem and osx_cert.pem. Trying to use these in some way or other did not work. The few actual Apple OSX certificates or whatever are stored in a format I do not understand, are not easily accessed and I think would have to be 'translated' first to be usefull. So exit Mac. And then I still do not quite understand what the TLS connection is trying to accomplish: 1) verify that smtp.ziggo.nl is actually ziggo and not an 'imposter' 2) encrypt the mail before sending (or a combination of 1 2) 3) verify that I am connecting to ziggo and not an imposter. Anyway thank you very much for your time and help. AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: gnutls, openssl and compiling mutt
On Sat, Nov 01, 2014 at 12:39:52PM +0100, Heinz Diehl wrote: On 31.10.2014, Alexander Volovics wrote: Does it make any difference if mutt is compiled with '--with-gnutls' enabled or with '--with-openssl' enabled. When compiled with --with-ssl, it uses openssl for TLS, and with --with-gnutls it uses the gnutls implementation. (Btw: there is no --with-openssl configure option). Slip of the tongue :) Using the same .muttrc file I use in fedora the TLS connection 'aborts' and I get the error message: SSL failed, I/O error. Could not negotiate TLS connection. Is the certificate properly installed in /etc/pki/tls/certs? Openssl looks in that place and aborts if the servers certificate could not be validated. Gnutls offers you to accept it manually, if the host name does not match. Is that so. I didn't know that. How are you supposed to get the certificate then. Given that all the most used mail progs (thunderbird, outlook, apple mail, evolution, etc) connect you automatically the ISP's dont hand out certificates. So I was expecting Openssl to work like Gnutls. And is this a recent change because about a year ago I tried mutt from Homebrew on a Mac and it worked then and I was asked to accept the certificate. And if the Homebrew folks link to openssl now I expect they did the same then (with an earlier version of openssl). So everything should work if I copy the certificate from my Linux pc to the Mac? I shall try it tonight. Thanks AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: gnutls, openssl and compiling mutt
On Sat, Nov 01, 2014 at 02:19:27PM +0100, Heinz Diehl wrote:
On 01.11.2014, Alexander Volovics wrote:
Is that so. I didn't know that. How are you supposed to get
the certificate then.
Check if the cert.pem symlink points to something like this:
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root49 Nov 1 14:11 cert.pem -
/etc/pki/ca-trust/extracted/pem/tls-ca-bundle.pem
It does, on my Fedora PC.
Nothing like this seems to exist on the Mac under OsX.
And then we might be talking about different things.
These might be general certificates. When I connected to my
ISP with mutt the first time and I had to accept a certificate
I had the impression that a personal certificate was generated
to identify ME to the server in the future. And this certificate
was saved by mutt in a file ~/.mutt_certificates.
The .muttrc manpage indicates that you can refer to this file in
.muttrc by using set certificate_file = ~/.mutt_certificates.
So I copied this file to the Mac and specified this in .muttrc.
This does not work, still 'SSL failed. I/O error'!
The muttrc manpage also mentions the following config variables:
'ssl_ca_certificates_file' 'ssl_client_cert'. But these also do
not work with my Fedora '.mutt_certificates' file.
I don't expect it will do any good to copy the general certificates
to the Mac.
And then the situation is complicated by using Linux programs
in OsX via the Homebrew setup. They expressly create a
/usr/local/Cellar directory to install them and compartementalize
from OsX apps and libraries. Furthermore openssl has to be
isolated evenmore ('kegged' they call it) to not interfere with
OsX's own (ancient) openssl.
Running ~/.openssl directly from the Homebrew directory also
aborts unhelpfully (and using s_client, debug, verify produces
no helpfull info).
Also, ich stecke tief in die scheisse :)
I contacted Homebrew, hope they can help.
AV
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gnutls, openssl and compiling mutt
Does it make any difference if mutt is compiled with '--with-gnutls' enabled or with '--with-openssl' enabled. Mutt (Fed20/21/Rawhide package) shows that '--with-gnutls' is used. I ask because I have no problem connecting to my ISP Ziggo with mutt when using Fedora. With the following in .muttrc: set ssl_starttls = yes set smtp_url = smtp://volov...@ziggo.nl@smtp.ziggo.nl:587 the TLS connection is established successfully and I am asked to accept the certificate. Everything works OK from then on. But this does not work on a MacBook Pro with OsX Yosemite. I use the Homebrew mutt. This mutt is compiled with '--with-openssl', linked to 'openssl-1.0.1j'. Using the same .muttrc file I use in fedora the TLS connection 'aborts' and I get the error message: SSL failed, I/O error. Could not negotiate TLS connection. The openssl-1.0.1j from Homebrew seems to be the same as in Fedora Rawhide though I have not checked all the patches. (Of course mutt in Fedora is compiled with gcc and the Homebrew mutt with LLVM Clang. Ziggo seems to be using TLSv1) AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: f20 - gedit
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 08:05:49AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Confirm used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now those entries appear within gedit. What did you change? I just went through all of dconf-editor listed items and did not recognize anything to change that would turn on settings/preferences in gedit let alone directly turn off word wrap. When you open gedit in Fed20 + Gnome-3.10 a gedit icon appears in the top bar. If you click on this and choose 'preferences' you will see under 'Text Wrapping' the entries: 'enable text wrapping' and 'do not split words over two lines'. Is this what you are looking for. I assume you are using standard Gnome-3.10 and not classic mode. I know nothing about classic mode (don't use it). Is this icon not visible in your install? AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
optimus laptops and the 3.12 kernel
Reading about the 3.12 kernels I noticed that there should now be 'dynamic' power management for laptops with an Optimus design (DIS Nvidia + IGD Intel). It is not quite clear what I should expect from the patches: drastic power down for the nautilus driver or complete switching off of the Nvidia GPU. I tried a 3.12 kernel (from Rawhide: a no debug 3.12.1-2.fc21.x86_64) but notice no effect at all. With this 3.12 kernel, mesa-9.2 and xorg-x11-drv-nouveau-1.0.9-2 the battery lasts about 1 hour 40 min. (I tried with Fed19 and Fed20 beta updated). Using 'bbswitch' (which switches off the Nvidia GPU completely) I get more than 3 hours battery live. What has changed is the output of 'vgaswitcheroo', namely: # cat /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch 0:IGD:+:Pwr::00:02.0 1:DIS: :DynOff::01:00.0 This seems to indicate something should happen but nothing in the logs indicates any changes to a 'deep sleep state' or a 'switching off' of the GPU. Anybody else with an Optimus tried the 3.12 kernel? And by the way how can I check the 'power state' of the DIS GPU. AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: optimus laptops and the 3.12 kernel
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 12:11:54PM +0100, poma wrote: On 26.11.2013 11:35, Alexander Volovics wrote: Reading about the 3.12 kernels I noticed that there should now be 'dynamic' power management for laptops with an Optimus design (DIS Nvidia + IGD Intel). It is not quite clear what I should expect from the patches: drastic power down for the nautilus driver or complete switching off of the Nvidia GPU. http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/Optimus/ This implies that the 3.12 kernel patches won't work until proper nouveau power management is implemented. I got the impression, or rather hoped, that actual control was already possible after reading about the 3.12 kernel improvements in c't. AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Native Nvidia Optimus and Fedora 19
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 03:47:03PM +0200, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: I'm considering buying a laptop with Nvidia Optimus, and this looks really bad! Have you managed to fix this issue? Did you get Fedora 19 to install? Do Ubuntu and Linux Mint work better with Nvidia Optimus graphics? I can't remember the content of the mail you are replying to, and I am too lazy to look it up, but I suspect the problems were related to Nvidia and it's blob. I have an Optimus laptop and have been running it with either vgaswitcheroo alone, bbswitch alone or bbswitch + bumblebee. But then I only used these tools to switch off the discrete graphics for power saving reasons. I have no need of the capabilities of the Nvidia (don't play stupid games for example). At the moment I am using bbswitch+bumblebee because there are good rpm's available for Fedora and this saves some small effort compiling and installing yourself, see: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bumblebee And using bumblebee saves me some small extra work with respect to systemd when using bbswitch alone. If you are content to use the nouveau driver (and if it supports your Nvidia card suficiently) I can advice these rpm's. I don't know how good the actual 'switching' integrated-discrete works because I don't use it (but a lot of other people do). But the rpm's are good and the setup works perfectly (for me). Fedora should install without problems on any laptop with supported hardware (Optimus is no hinder). The situation is no different on Ubuntu or Mint (everything works the same as under Fedora) except that they might offer to setup bumblebee for you at install (I can't remember). And again the nouveau option might not give you what you want and the nvidia option might give you the same 'blob' problems as under Fedora. If you want no hassle at all don't buy Optimus. AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Native Nvidia Optimus and Fedora 19
On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 01:26:47PM +0200, Heinz Diehl wrote: On 27.07.2013, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: I'm considering buying a laptop with Nvidia Optimus, and this looks really bad! Do yourself a favour and don't buy a laptop with optimus. I have one, and to spare you the details: the nvidia gpu is not useable without a lot of trouble. I finally removed both bumblebee and the nvidia drivers, and recompiled the kernel without nouveau. My machine now runs the integrated Intel GPU exclusively. I myself have considered your radical solution but some people would like to use the available Nvidia GPU for things the Intel GPU can not do well enough. And the idea behind Optimus is not bad it's just that we are Linux users with no decent support (yet?). The Intel GPU support is a whole different story. To get a slight touch what could happen, search after Hangcheck timer elapsed. There are TONS of reports.. Are you not being a little harsh on the Intel GPU support. There might be 'TONS' of reports but I myself have experience with 6 Dell/Lenovo desktops/laptops (3 in house with daily use), Sandybridge and Ivybridge, and have never experienced 'Hangcheck timer elapsed'. AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why once 'umlaut+black rectangle' and once '?+?'
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 06:09:35AM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: Why does the unicode bug get expressed in 2 different ways on 2 different laptops: I've seen it both ways on the same machine. Once when it appears in the grub menu (? and ?) and once when it is printed in the boot messages (with the block instead of the apostrophe). Curious. It appears, so far, to be consistent on both laptops here. AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why once 'umlaut+black rectangle' and once '?+?'
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 01:21:15AM +0930, Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 15 July 2013, Alexander Volovics sent: Why does the unicode bug get expressed in 2 different ways on 2 different laptops: On a Dell Inspiron laptop as: Schr?dinger?s Cat (?+?) On a Lenovo Thinkpad as: Schrödinger▊s Cat (umlaut + black rectangle) Different fonts? No, latarcyrheb-sun16 everywhere. AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Why once 'umlaut+black rectangle' and once '?+?'
I already asked this in the mail Schrödinger▊s Schr?dinger?s to which I got a completely irrelevant answer (with irrelevant follow ups). Why does the unicode bug get expressed in 2 different ways on 2 different laptops: On a Dell Inspiron laptop as: Schr?dinger?s Cat (?+?) On a Lenovo Thinkpad as: Schrödinger▊s Cat (umlaut + black rectangle) AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Schrödinger▊s Schr?dinger?s
What can explain this difference? Dell Inspiron laptop: Schr?dinger?s Cat Lenovo Thinkpad: Schrödinger▊s Cat Both the same default Fed19 installs with standard default startup and grub screens. Can for example hardware (Optimus(Intel Ivybridge + Nvidia) vs Intel Sandybridge) make the difference. AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: gnome
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 12:51:52PM +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote: How do I add an application launcher to the top panel (fedora 18/19)? For example from the application list. I think you can do it using an extension Frippery Panel Favorites. I don't know if it works or how well but you can try: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/4/panel-favorites/ AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fwd: Re: rant of the day: installing fedora
On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 12:12:12PM +0200, François Patte wrote: Le 08/07/2013 10:02, jehan procaccia a écrit : I did had the possibility to partition manually ! I choosed my disk, uncheck it and check it again then it proposed me to partition manullay (personalisé ). that's for the manual way to install, Thanks for this. I could (I hope, because the feed back for the user is minimal...) keep my previous partitionning. BTW, the logic of this escapes my mind! It is like if there is some secret door! Now, the install has begun and... I don't know what will be installed I had a minimal choice (gnome, xfce...) I can see that a lot of gnome packages will be installed: It will take me a lot of time to get rid of this packages... because I want a totally gnome free installation! And I will have to check carefully what is missing Also, no time for installation is displayed, I'm stcked there waiting for an end! Many thanks to all those crapy packagers who think that common people are to stupid to manage their own computer! Du calme, Francois. Ce que nous voyons ici c'est: 'Monsieur Hulot et les ordinateurs' ou 'Francois et les ordinateurs'. First there are 'installation guides' (though one is too terse and the other long-winded and turgid). By browsing these you would have known about 'manual partitioning', 'keeping existing partitions', 'choosing desktops', etc. in the new anaconda setup. https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/19/html/Installation_Quick_Start_Guide/index.html https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/19/html/Installation_Guide/index.html Second there are live spins of some desktops (KDE, LXDE, Xfce, etc) so it is actually quite easy to evade Gnome entirely. https://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options You have been around long enough to know these things. And I expect research is still practised at UFR de mathématiques et informatique :-) Reflect before you 'rant'. AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fwd: Re: rant of the day: installing fedora
On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 02:58:47PM +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote: The default should always be to leave things as they are, as far as possible. Did you protest against the new anaconda, I can't remember. I didn't because I believe in flexibility and adaptation, certainly when the end result is an improvement in a lot of ways. and also believe users should read what looks like a 100-page document I said 'browse' (and then read the bits you need obviously) in general, the people who write Fedora installation manuals are somewhat deficient in common sense, believing that the more information given the better I wouldn't put it quite that way :-) but I did mention that one of the guides was too terse and the other long-winded and turgid. I don't actually see in the manuals you refer to any statement of how to avoid automatic re-partitions. Both show the same screen shot, and then say -- Figure 9.17. Disk Partitioning Setup On this screen you can choose to create the default partition layout automatically, or choose to partition storage devices manually to create a custom layout. -- But I don't see anything on the screen shot as shown offering this choice. Look at section 12 storage and partitioning in the 'Quick Start Guide' figure 9 + comments. And then sections 9.13 and 9.14 in the 'Installation Guide'. (It's a lot like reading math books/papers skipping the proofs because you want to try them yourselve first). Here you browse the guides and then experiment with anaconda. And François is no newcomer to the list or linux. AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Disability relief
On Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 12:06:26AM +, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 18:42 +, Beartooth wrote: I need cursor symbols that my antiquated eyeballs can spot even through trifocals. Last time I had a machine running CentOS (6.2 iirc) I had managed to get a big yellow arrow to show the mouse cursor. It was wonderful. Now I have machines running Fedora (17 18) and Puppy (5.0) -- and even with eyes on two panels I have an awful time spotting the mouse cursor. Can anyone tell me a way to get my arrow back?? Not sure how to change arrows, but if you're using gnome-shell, you can install gnome-tweak-tool and under the mouse settings, you can set the cursor to highlight with a ripple effect when you press the control key. It's nice when the mouse is in a corner or the cursor is a vertical bar, and maybe helpful in your case as well. Except that the ripple effesct is so weak you can hardly see it against a lot of backgrounds, especially bluish ones. AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F18 defect in playing CDs.
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 06:29:26PM -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: Previously in earlier versions of Fedora under GNOME when you put in a CD it played the CD with whatever program you indicated should be used automatically. Now that I have installed F18 on a second machine I found the same behavior as on the first machine. The CD is not played automatically but has to be played manually. Why is this or what am I doing wrong? System Settings - Details - Removable Media - CD audio / Music player AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: giac
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 12:33:19PM +0100, Patrick Dupre wrote: Because of the lack of compatibility between the distributions, I perfer to ask how should I install giac (http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~parisse/install_fr#xcasrpm) possibility the last version on my fedora 18. Do you really need giac/xcas? The fedora 18 repositories contain: maxima, octave, gap, etc. There should be a substantial overlap en 'yum intall' is a lot easier than trying to get not directly supported applications (especially if they need older libraries) to work in Fed18. AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
F18: bumblebee/bbswitch stopped working after latest update
Anybody else noticed that bumblebee and bbswitch stopped working after the latest update to Fed18 (kernel-3.7.4-204.fc18.x86_64, xorg-x11-drv-nouveau-1.0.6-1.fc18.x86_64, etc.) This on a laptop with optimus (intel/nvidia). Could the fact that /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch is now a default entry and that vga_switcheroo is enabled have anything to do with it. dmesg |grep switcheroo [ 13.840837] VGA switcheroo: detected Optimus DSM method \_SB_.PCI0.PEG0.PEGP handle [ 16.711017] vga_switcheroo: enabled cat /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch 0:IGD:+:Pwr::00:02.0 1:DIS: :Pwr::01:00.0 AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: The changing Fedora
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:12:30PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: one reason more to have one priamry OS and use virtualization for anything else these days where the virt-overhead is nearly zero and in many cases virtual machines are faster than physical setups Which is OK on desktops with large ( 23 diagonal) monitors. But on a laptop (16:9 15 diagonal screen or smaller) you need a magnifying glass to work with the virtual screens. Neither KVM nor VirtualBox can present the virtual machine in the same 16:9 fullscreen format as your primary OS. AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: The changing Fedora
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:16:52PM +, Frank Murphy wrote: On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:48:04 +0100 Alexander Volovics a.volo...@upcmail.nl wrote: Neither KVM nor VirtualBox can present the virtual machine in the same 16:9 fullscreen format as your primary OS. I am using Full Widescreen with KVM. F17 host. F18 guest. When I tried with Ubuntu in F16 I could only get 4:3 fullscreen not 16:9 fullscreen. Is there some special trick or has KVM 'advanced'? AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: The changing Fedora
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:37:14PM +, Frank Murphy wrote: On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 13:34:39 +0100 Alexander Volovics a.volo...@upcmail.nl wrote: When I tried with Ubuntu in F16 I could only get 4:3 fullscreen not 16:9 fullscreen. Is there some special trick or has KVM 'advanced'? I did nothing special just qxl video driver in the Guest Then I will have to try again now I am using F18 to see what happens. AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: The changing Fedora
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 02:12:37PM -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Alexander Volovics a.volo...@upcmail.nl wrote: Neither KVM nor VirtualBox can present the virtual machine in the same 16:9 fullscreen format as your primary OS. Are you implying that Virtualbox doesn´t have a full screen mode? Because, believe me, I have used it on Windows hosts to run Linux full screen. I could run VirtualBox full screen allright but the actual guest screen was in 4:3 ratio and I couldn't get 16:9 ratio. So there were 2 large black bars on either side. However that was some time ago (F16 had just come out). I have not tried VB recently. I have just installed Ubuntu 13.04 (alpha, daily build) in F18 using KVM and 'virt-manager' and now I can get 16:9 fullscreen with KVM. But it performs a bit slow and shaky. I don't know if this is due to virtualization or the alpha status of Ubuntu 13.04 or both. Performance wise I would say that dual boot is preferable. AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
What is status of vgaswitcheroo in Fed17/Fed18?
Is anybody using vgaswitcheroo with Optimus(Intel/Nvidia) in Fed17 (or Fed18) with the 'i915' and 'nouveau' drivers. Does it work? Does it work dependably? Is it a viable alternative to bbswitch? If you switch to 'integrated' does it stay switched after shutdown/reboot/hibernate/suspend or do you have to set the switch anew at each boot? Are there any gotcha's? AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Laptop Intel wireless card as access point
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 12:12:01PM +0530, Suvayu Ali wrote: I wanted to configure the wireless card on my ThinkPad as a wireless access point for my Android phone. But it seems the Intel iwlwifi drivers do not support master mode. Can someone confirm? In case I'm wrong, could you please point me to any documentation as to how I can configure this? I am not knowledgeable about wifi but I find this for the Intel Centrino Wireless-N 2230 (which I don't use) in my laptop. And lsmod shows iwlwifi as loaded. From 'iw list' I find: Supported interface modes: *IBSS *managed *AP *AP/VLAN *monitor And https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open-source_wireless_drivers#Driver_capabilities mentions 'master mode' as supported for 'iwlwifi'. But I wouldn't know in how far AP mode actually works, never tried it. Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Laptop Intel wireless card as access point (reply nr 2)
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 12:12:01PM +0530, Suvayu Ali wrote: I wanted to configure the wireless card on my ThinkPad as a wireless access point for my Android phone. But it seems the Intel iwlwifi drivers do not support master mode. Can someone confirm? In case I'm wrong, could you please point me to any documentation as to how I can configure this? As a follow up to my first reply. I got curious and found the following: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Documentation/hostapd Seems like a lot of work. Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
What to do with warnings like these?
$ dmesg |grep -i -e warning [7.211363] ACPI Warning: 0xefa0-0xefbf SystemIO conflicts with Region \_SB_.PCI0.SBUS.SMBI 1 (20120711/utaddress-251) [7.212758] ACPI Warning: 0x0428-0x042f SystemIO conflicts with Region \PMIO 1 (20120711/utaddress-251) [7.212768] ACPI Warning: 0x0500-0x053f SystemIO conflicts with Region \GPIO 1 (20120711/utaddress-251) AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Bumblebee on Fedora?
On Thu, Dec 06, 2012 at 04:03:45PM +, Dave Cross wrote: Bumblebee is a project to enable NVidia's Optimus technology on Linux. I have found a number of web pages explaining how to use Bumblebee on Fedora, but they all seem to involve downloading and compiling the project's source code. Whilst I'm happy to do that if it's necessary, I wondered if anyone knew of plans to make pre-built RPMs available in the Fedora repositories. Have a look at this website: http://techies.ncsu.edu/wiki/bumblebee There you will find rpms for Fed16, Fed17 and Fed18. This is work by Gary Gatling. I have not tried the rpms myself yet because I only use bbswitch and compile it myself. (I have no need for Nvidia discrete graphics and furthermore the support of the nouveau driver for the 'Kepler' family of Nvidia GPUs is abominable, certainly with regard to power management, which is actually nonexistent). There are some problems with getting the rpms officially included in the Fedora repositories because for example bbswitch is an out-of-tree kernel module. A VirtualGL rpm is already available in Fed18. Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dual boot Win 8 and Fedora 17
On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 08:47:39AM -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote: Has anyone tried a dual boot of Win 8 and Fedora 17? Are there any special problems in doing this? I suppose it will depend on how Win 8 is installed. 1) Win 8 + UEFI + Secure boot: a) If you do not (or can not) disable secure boot then Fed 17 has no bootloader 'shim' to enable install (as far as I know). (but you might be able to do something with http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/20303.html) However you must find out how to use the UEFI boot menu as 'os-prober' does not work with UEFI yet so you get no entry in the grub menu for Win 8. b) If you disable secure boot there is no problem except that 'os-prober' does not work and I do not know if Win 8 will except this without fiddling (or in the worst case reinstall) c) Win 8 was already installed without secure boot then everything works as expected except 'os-prober'. 2) Win 8 + BIOS: no problems. Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dual boot Win 8 and Fedora 17
correction: except - accept Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dual boot Win 8 and Fedora 17
On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 05:28:24PM +0200, Matti Pulkkinen wrote: On 3.12.2012 17:17, Alexander Volovics wrote: b) If you disable secure boot there is no problem except that 'os-prober' does not work and I do not know if Win 8 will except this without fiddling (or in the worst case reinstall) I'm sorry, I realise that this is completely off-topic, but because I happen to be in the market for a laptop, I was just wondering, how does one actually disable secure boot? Is there a menu entry in the BIOS for it, or is it more complicated than that? There should be an entry in the UEFI setup to do this if everybody behaves conform specification. (I only have experience with Dell laptops, no problem there). Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dual boot Win 8 and Fedora 17
On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 04:08:42PM +, Ian Malone wrote: Don't think it's that off-topic, since a lot of us may have to deal with it eventually to get Fedora working. FWIW, on a BIOS / NON-UEFI system Win8 + F16 are working okay (Win8 installed after Fedora and then reinstalled grub2). You also get to decide which is worse: Metro or Gnome shell. (Metro in my opinion, and the reasons for that probably are completely off-topic.) This reply is completely of topic! You can very easily banish Metro from sight and use. Just install http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/; and it's just as if you are using Win 7. Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: setting filters in thunderbird.
On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 12:50:33PM -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/03/2012 12:26 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: Since I am locked out of Manage Filters I am not sure that the configuration above is correct. The Help Contents will take you to the Thunderbird Support site. It's possible there's an answer there for you. If not, you can always ask a new question, although you'll have to register there first. I've asked several questions, over the years, both there and at Firefox support and had good results. (Not every answer I've gotten was usable, but there'd be at least one that helped.) If/when you get an answer that works, please post a link here for the rest of us. Have a look at: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Filters_%28Thunderbird%29 http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-set-up-message-filters-in-thunderbird Might help. Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [F18] How do I set browse as the default open type in nautilus?
On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 12:08:12 -0600 Thomas Cameron thomas.came...@camerontech.com wrote: Looks like Gnome is doing the same thing that Microsoft did after XP. I can no longer set nautilus so that when I double click on a directory, it opens up with the filesystem tree in the left pane, and the contents of my directory in the right pane in *list* view. I used to be able to set a checkbox for 'always open in browse mode or something similar, but I can't find that in F18 beta. Is that option still around? Where is it hiding Have you really looked closely at the options in 'Preferences' and/or the local config. The only substantial change in nautilus (Fed18) with respect to nautilus (fed 17) is the missing 'Extra pane' option. If you choose 'list view' you get the folders in the left pane and the content in list view in the right pane, etc. If you want a more detailed 'tree' you can always open a second nautilus window instead of the 'extra pane'. I can't remember ever having seen something like 'always open in browse mode'. Do you mean 'thumbnail view' and/or 'text in icons'. Both are still available and you can change the size. Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
problem with bbswitch module on reboot
I am using the 'bbswitch' module to disable the nvidia card
and save power on a laptop with optimus.
I removed nouveau permanently by blacklisting and then running dracut.
I compiled bbswitch with 'dkms' and then added the following:
#!/bin/sh
if [ ! -c /proc/acpi/bbswitch ] ; then
exec /sbin/modprobe bbswitch load_state=0 /dev/null 21
fi
to /etc/sysconfig/modules.
This works perfectly if the laptop is started up after powering off
('power off' from the menu or 'shutdown -h now')
However when I 'restart' (from the menu or 'shutdown -r now') this
does not work: 'bbswitch' can't find the discrete VGA device!
And consequently it is not loaded.
Can somebody explain what is happening.
For 'bbswitch' info see: https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bbswitch
AV
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Re: problem with bbswitch module on reboot
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 01:41:22AM +1030, Tim wrote: On Wed, 2012-10-24 at 15:57 +0200, Alexander Volovics wrote: However when I 'restart' (from the menu or 'shutdown -r now') this does not work: 'bbswitch' can't find the discrete VGA device! And consequently it is not loaded. Any BIOS options regarding resetting video hardware upon resume, or similar? No, nothing. AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Matching message headers in mutt hooks
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 03:34:12PM +0200, Suvayu Ali wrote: You could do something like the following: Create in ~/ the files .mime.types and .mailcap ~/.mime.types application/pdf pdf ~/.mailcap application/pdf; evince %s; test=test -n $DISPLAY application/pdf; pdftotext %s %s.txt \; cat %s.txt \; rm -f %s.txt ; copiousoutput then edit ~/.muttrc and add: auto_view text/html message/* application/pdf If I didn't make any mistake you should get a text rendering of the pdf directly in mutt (for a quick look). I you want to see the pdf in evince hit 'v', select the pdf and hit 'enter'. Opening the attachement part works wonderfully! I didn't seem to see a preview, but then it could be because the pdf was a beamer presentation with lots of plots. I should probably have indicated that 'copiousoutput' should be on the SAME line as application/pdf; pdftotext %s %s.txt \; cat %s.txt \; rm -f %s.txt ; I don't use it myself anymore so I tried it now and that works. I would also change the ~/.muttrc entry to: auto_view text/html application/pdf (leave out the 'message/*') I am a bit rusty on mutt mime so I copied from an old laptop I hardly ever use anymore where I also have the following line in the ~/.mailcap file: text/html; elinks -dump %s; nametemplate=%s.html; copiousoutput to get a text vesion of html mail. Success Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Matching message headers in mutt hooks
On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 08:48:09AM +0200, Heinz Diehl wrote: There are a lot of filters; maildrop, mailfilter.. Though procmail seems not to be maintained anymore, I'm using it, because I have experience in writing procmail recipes and have been using it all my life. You can feed your mail into perl/python/whatever-scripts directly from procmail. My incoming mailchain is fetchmail - procmail - perl/CRM114 - mutt. F*ck me, writing all this makes me realize that I'm getting old :) For those who have 'simple' (mostly text) mail needs I can still recommend mutt. At work it was handy to filter and stream incoming mail into diferent mailboxes and I used fetchmail - procmail - mutt in a postfix context. Now I am retired I have simple mail needs and I just use the built in pop3 and smtp facilities of mutt. And nothing beats mutt in ease of use and versatility once you are used to it. AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Matching message headers in mutt hooks
On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 11:37:37AM +0200, Suvayu Ali wrote: How does one handle attachments? I saw the pipe command and tried to pipe a pdf file to Evince, but it didn't seem to work as I had expected. Do I need an old school viewer like gv for this to work? It's also possible I didn't specify the command properly. I get a lot of pdf/ps/eps/png attachments, so this is crucial need for me. You could do something like the following: Create in ~/ the files .mime.types and .mailcap ~/.mime.types application/pdf pdf ~/.mailcap application/pdf; evince %s; test=test -n $DISPLAY application/pdf; pdftotext %s %s.txt \; cat %s.txt \; rm -f %s.txt ; copiousoutput then edit ~/.muttrc and add: auto_view text/html message/* application/pdf If I didn't make any mistake you should get a text rendering of the pdf directly in mutt (for a quick look). I you want to see the pdf in evince hit 'v', select the pdf and hit 'enter'. AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
socket files in /tmp/at-spi2
When starting up Fed17 a number of 'sockets' get created in /tmp/at-spi2. The same when starting apps. However these sockets are not removed when closing the apps or shutting down Fed17. So the number of these sockets keeps increasing. Is this normal behaviour or should I file a bug? Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: An apology is required from me.
On 06/20/2012 03:53 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: Since I am responsible for initiating the attacks on Fedora for using Gnome 3, I feel I should clarify with some kind of apology. I did not say nor do I mean that F17 is a defective version of Linux. Just that it has a defective Default Desktop Environment. F17 is fine version of Linux. And once you get past the DE it has all the good qualities you would want in Linux distribution. Then you should also apologize a second time for making unnecessary disparaging remarks about Gnome-3.4. This Gnome bashing is becoming extremely tiresome. Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
uvcvideo driver and Z-Star Microelectronics device
Anybody have experience with newer Z-Star Microelectronics devices and the uvcvideo driver? I have a Z-Star 0ac8:c449 in a Lenovo PC. It is recognized by the kernel (Fed17beta TC5) at boot: [9.453984] uvcvideo: Found UVC 1.00 device Integrated Camera (0ac8:c449) [9.456016] usbcore: registered new interface driver uvcvideo But when I use Cheese to make a video it doesn't work and I get the following warnings: ** (cheese:1539): WARNING **: Could not get buffers from device '/dev/video0'. ** (cheese:1539): WARNING **: Could not map buffers from device '/dev/video0' ** (cheese:1539): WARNING **: Could not negotiate format Is this a bug in Cheese or can't uvcvideo negociate the device? I would appreciate any help as my knowledge of both webcams and Cheese is nonexistent. Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fed 16 + Broadcom wlan 4312 + kernel-3.2.1-3
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 03:59:19AM -0700, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: It's maintainer kindly built an update a mere two hours after I filed the bug. :-) It's in updates-testing now. You can install it by running: yum --enablerepo=updates-testing update b43-fwcutter If you install it, please give it karma to get it in stable updates faster: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-0908/b43-fwcutter-015-1.fc16 Downloaded, extracted firmware, it works, gave karma. Thanks again. AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fed 16 + Broadcom wlan 4312 + kernel-3.2.1-3
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:23:50AM -0700, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Alexander Volovics The wireless.kernel.org site also advices using b43-fwcutter version 0.15 but this version does not seem to be available for fed 16. Can this be the problem? It is the problem. That firmware needs b43-fwcutter-015; older versions won't work with it. I filed a bug [1] asking for b43-fwcutter to be updated. In the meantime, I built an updated version because I'll probably need it for one of my machines when it gets updated later: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=3730189 [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=784390 Thanks for the confirmation and the references. I will wait for the update to show up. No hurry, I only need wireless occasionaly. AV Rivers flow, work habits -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Fed 16 + Broadcom wlan 4312 + kernel-3.2.1-3
I have a Broadcom wlan 4312 [14e4:4315] in my laptop. After the latest kernel update to kernel-3.2.1-13 I decided to install the necessary firmware heeding the following dmesg output: [ 82.515047] b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file b43/ucode15.fw not found [ 82.515054] b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file b43-open/ucode15.fw not found [ 82.515060] b43-phy0 ERROR: You must go to http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware and download the correct firmware for this driver version. Please carefully read all instructions on this website. The website suggests downloading broadcom-wl-5.100.138.tar.bz2 if using the b43 driver from the 3.2 kernel. I did that but then this happens: b43-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware wl_apsta.o Sorry, the input file is either wrong or not supported by b43-fwcutter. This file has an unknown MD5sum e1b05e268bcdbfef3560c28fc161f30 b43-fwcutter in Fed 16 is version 0.14 and indeed the FW15 file supported by b43-fwcutter version 0.14 has a different md5sum. The wireless.kernel.org site also advices using b43-fwcutter version 0.15 but this version does not seem to be available for fed 16. Can this be the problem? AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fed 16 + Broadcom wlan 4312 + kernel-3.2.1-3
On 01/24/2012 06:22 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: On 24/01/12 17:05, Alexander Volovics wrote: I have a Broadcom wlan 4312 [14e4:4315] in my laptop. http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 remove or unload the broadcom-wl driver prior to using b43 You device is supported by b43 http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#other_distros I never had the broadcom-wl driver loaded! This is what I have: lsmod |grep b43 b43 357090 0 mac80211 301459 1 b43 cfg80211 190854 2 b43,mac80211 bcma 25831 1 b43 ssb61266 1 b43 mmc_core 100913 2 b43,ssb And the problem is that I can't extract the needed firmware, repeat: b43-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware wl_apsta.o Sorry, the input file is either wrong or not supported by b43-fwcutter. This file has an unknown MD5sum e1b05e268bcdbfef3560c28fc161f30 AV AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fed 16 + Broadcom wlan 4312 + kernel-3.2.1-3
On 01/24/2012 06:33 PM, Jim wrote: On 01/24/2012 12:05 PM, Alexander Volovics wrote: I have a Broadcom wlan 4312 [14e4:4315] in my laptop. After the latest kernel update to kernel-3.2.1-13 I decided to install the necessary firmware heeding the following dmesg output: [ 82.515047] b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file b43/ucode15.fw not found [ 82.515054] b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file b43-open/ucode15.fw not found [ 82.515060] b43-phy0 ERROR: You must go to http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware and download the correct firmware for this driver version. Please carefully read all instructions on this website. The website suggests downloading broadcom-wl-5.100.138.tar.bz2 if using the b43 driver from the 3.2 kernel. I did that but then this happens: b43-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware wl_apsta.o Sorry, the input file is either wrong or not supported by b43-fwcutter. This file has an unknown MD5sum e1b05e268bcdbfef3560c28fc161f30 b43-fwcutter in Fed 16 is version 0.14 and indeed the FW15 file supported by b43-fwcutter version 0.14 has a different md5sum. The wireless.kernel.org site also advices using b43-fwcutter version 0.15 but this version does not seem to be available for fed 16. Can this be the problem? You want ito nstall kmod-wl and it will install all dependencies . Then you want to go into /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf and enter blacklist b43-fwcutter w/o quotes Why would I do that? I already have a driver b43 from the new kernel-3.2 loaded and this seems to be the advised driver, not the wl driver. I am just missing the firmware! AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fed 16 + Broadcom wlan 4312 + kernel-3.2.1-3
On 01/24/2012 06:53 PM, Jim wrote: You want ito nstall kmod-wl and it will install all dependencies . Then you want to go into /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf and enter blacklist b43-fwcutter w/o quotes Why would I do that? I already have a driver b43 from the new kernel-3.2 loaded and this seems to be the advised driver, not the wl driver. I am just missing the firmware! Just try what i said and I think You will *Like it . Someone FINALLY got around to take the b43-cutter out of Fedora. OK I will try it. (If b43-fwcutter isn't needed any more why still include the package? Though I see it is still a package for Fed15!) And I thought the firmware for more Broadcom chips was going to be included in the 3.2 kernel. AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fed 16 and fingerprint scanners
On Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 10:45:24AM -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: On 01/08/2012 05:40 AM, Alexander Volovics wrote: Should I chalk this up to my unprintable fingers or can it be improved through 'tweaking' of some sort. I'd suggest having two or three of your friends try it. If it works well for them, it might be your fingers. If they have no more luck than you do, it's either the hardware or the drivers. Worth trying. Though I suspect it is a combination of 'hardware' (a tiny slit of 2x12 millimeters) and inconsistent 'swiping'. AV *Rivers flow, work habits* -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: DVD Question
On Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 01:44:01PM +0100, Frank Elsner wrote: On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 05:10:07 -0700 Mike Dwiggins wrote: Anyone know the best application to erase a DVD-RW with an iso image on it. dvd+rw-format from package dvd+rw-tools? ^ +-- Maybe that is a restriction Or K3b, Brasero if you prefer a GUI. AV *Rivers flow, work habits* -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Fed 16 and fingerprint scanners
I have a Thinkpad t520 with a fingerprint scanner/sensor/whatever. I don't really need it but as it's built in why not use it. However the success rate is about 20-30% Should I chalk this up to my unprintable fingers or can it be improved through 'tweaking' of some sort. AV *Rivers flow, work habits* -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: CDrom popup alert
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 08:32:45AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: When I put a music CDrom in, I get a popup at the bottom of the screen asking if I want to start rythembox of a browser, well I had k3b open to copy the CD, so I tried to esc from this dialog but nothing I did seem to make it go away. There is no cancel button like in the old dialog box. How is this thing controlled? Click anywhere on the black popup window outside of choice bars. AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Yum update/bug alert
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 08:30:01AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Where is it with f16/G3? I once saw that poor excuse of a popup at the bottom of the screen saying something about updates available. But if that all there is, who watches there screen all the time Granted, the popup is not visible for very long, but if some fraction of your attention is still turned to the screen, you should see it. Maybe this extension: https://extensions.gnome.org/#page=6 -- Permanent notifications is something for you. But I don't know what it does exactly as I have not tried it. If you want to extend the time the popup is visible maybe there is some time parameter you can change in the gsettings schemas. But I don't know if one of them handles the popups directly. AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
The software is not from a trusted source ???
When using 'software update' to get and install the last batch of 7 updates the following was displayed: The software is not from a trusted source. Do not update these packages unless you are sure it is save to do so Is this something new in packagekit or does it have anything to do with the cyrus SASL packages. AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: The software is not from a trusted source ???
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 02:13:54PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 03.01.2012 14:09, schrieb Alexander Volovics: When using 'software update' to get and install the last batch of 7 updates the following was displayed: The software is not from a trusted source. Do not update these packages unless you are sure it is save to do so Is this something new in packagekit or does it have anything to do with the cyrus SASL packages. please use yum update as root error-messages of a graphical interface sucks i guess there is some unsigend package, but that's why i never use graphical interfaces as long yum exists I also mostly use yum, but occasionaly the update gui to 'break the monotony'. I was just rather surprised to see this message and would like to know if packagekit is getting more sophisticated or there was some slight problem with one of the packages (unsigned?) AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: The software is not from a trusted source ???
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 01:37:33PM +, Frank Murphy wrote: On 03/01/12 13:09, Alexander Volovics wrote: The software is not from a trusted source. Do not update these packages unless you are sure it is save to do so Do you have 3rd party repos. Yes rpmfusion, but there was no rpmfusion package among the updates. Is this something new in packagekit or does it have anything to do with the cyrus SASL packages. Been there always iirc. Must have missed it then. But then I seldom use the gui. AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: The software is not from a trusted source ???
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 01:49:45PM +, Alan Cox wrote: I was just rather surprised to see this message and would like to know if packagekit is getting more sophisticated or there was some slight problem with one of the packages (unsigned?) Or the copy on your mirror has been tampered with so has a bogus signature. It's not something you should treat likely. Sure 99.9% of the time its probably a process error in producing the package or if you've added extra repositories and it comes from one of them you may not have imported the needed key. But it might not be, and one day someone will trojan a mirror site and people who disable and ignore the signing checks will get burned. Another thing to check btw is that the package is simply not corrupt in the download. Yum used to be very stupid about this and would keep the corrupt package cached and keep erroring it. I've no idea if it was fixed - but see if yum clean all then updating fixes it. When packagekit update showed this message I could have gone ahead with the download/update but I switched to using yum. Yum showed nothing 'strange' and the updates proceeded without problem and checked out ok. So it all remains something of a mystery. AV -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: anyone else seeing gnome-packagekit freeze?
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 09:32:44AM -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: In the past few weeks, when you update have you had the tool freeze on you after it is finished? I've reported bug 761092 that I can reproduce reliably on three different computers but I haven't seen anyone else talk about similar symptoms. Symptoms: -Update packages -Asks for reboot or logout -The reboot/logout window is not clickable. -The gpk-update-viewer process is using 100% CPU time. Not your symptoms no but the tool is showing 'strange' behaviour. - If you click on logout button it just closes and does not actually logout like it used to - When it should prompt for reboot (after a new kernel for example) it does not do so any more but prompts for logout. I was waiting to see if this is reproducible before reporting. Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: FC16 newbe questions
On Thu, Dec 08, 2011 at 09:10:54AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: So I skipped FC15. I never worked on Vista of WIn7, always using the 'classic' windows desktop in XP. So I have some REAL challenges adjusting th GNOME in FC16 Like where are my workspaces? I work with 4 of them for my different set of jobs. Maybe with the added memory on this lenovo, I might go with 6... Where are the System Admin tools like Services and Printer? Oops just found Services in 'other'. I LIKE keyboard shortcuts like Alt-F1 and arrow keys to select what I want to start without all this messy desktop icons nonsense. Getting info on workspaces is probably my first concern, but where is some decent info on how to navigate around now? I suspect if you get responses there is a 50% chance that you will be advised to switch to another DE: XFCE, LXDE, KDE, etc. But things are not that bad. Fed16+Gnome3.2 is quite usable. I advise you to first have a good look around before you make any decision. Start by reading the 'Help', to be found under 'Activities'-'Applications'-'Accessories': the red/white lifebouy icon. Then you can navigate the desktop more or less comfortably. Furthermore a lot of things can be configured using the so called 'gnome-shell-extensions'. There you can add menu icons to the top bar, remove unwanted icons from top bar, add shutdown to the menu, add a menu item for workspaces, and more. See: http://blog.repl.ca/2011/12/essential-gnome-shell-extensions-for.html to start with. Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Which Fedora 16 for Levono 120e?
On Wed, Dec 07, 2011 at 11:49:09AM +, Alan Cox wrote: On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 20:32:35 -0800 Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 12/06/2011 05:58 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Except that your 4GB of memory will work more efficiently. 32-bit versions can't address all of the 4GB without fiddling with page tables, as has been discussed many times on this list. I have just 4GB on this laptop and a PAE kernel, which is supposed to help with that. Don't know how good it is, but I thought it worth mentioning. Not very.. PAE means it can access all 4GB, but in 32bit mode it's still unable to do so efficiently. The efficient limit for 32bit is about 1GB. OK. This is the technical aspect. The 64 bit kernel handles 4GB memory more efficiently than a 32 bit PAE kernel. (And efficient is rather vague without further specification). But 'subjectively' you don't notice any difference doing standard tasks where memory mostly stays under 1GB. And even above 1GB the speed difference is not very noticeable. At least in my very limited 'subjective' day to day experience. I have not really experimented extensively. Are there results of controled measurements available? Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Which Fedora 16 for Levono 120e?
On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 11:40:54PM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 12/05/2011 07:54 PM, Steve Underwood wrote: On 12/06/2011 05:36 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: I recently ordered a Levono x120e ($397 from BH) to replace my aged HP nc2400. I got the unit with the AMD Fusion E-240 CPU and ordered an extra 2Gb memory (total 4Gb). Which Fedora should I load on it? 32 or 64 bit? They do market Win7 64 bit for it (I just ordered it with the basic Win7 personal as I am blowing that away anyway for Fedora). 64 bit, of course. What do I 'get' by using the 64bit distro. Or loose (some app not available). The same as you 'get' by using the 32 bit distro. No noticeable difference. And as far as I know all apps are available. And uefi/gpt work well if you install using the whole disk. Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Which Fedora 16 for Levono 120e?
On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 12:12:54PM +0900, nomnex wrote: On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 21:45:43 -0500 Digimer li...@alteeve.com wrote: I've got the same laptop and I run Fedora 15 on it just fine. The FN keys (brightness, vol, etc.) where working out of the box? Yes. As far as I could test them (I have no microfone, and no external monitor available). Even the suspend key. Works perfectly with Fed 16. Nice little laptop (netbook?) Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
How is screen size handled in kvm/qemu
I decided to try out virtualization in Fed 16 + Gnome 3.2 on my laptop. To begin I chose a small distro 'Crunchbang-10 64bits, based on Debian Live with the Openbox WM. No problems with the install. But the result is not comfortable because the laptop screen is 1600x900 and the virt manager screen for Crunchbang is 1024x768, the wrong (4:3) proportionality. This means that even if I use full-screen I still have a 'small' Crunchbang screen. I this a restriction of virtual graphics or are there (hidden) configuration options. Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: fedora 16 64 bits gnome shutdown button
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 01:47:29AM +, Andre Robatino wrote:
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But you can work around it for the moment by adding a 'picture'
to your account. Click on your name, click on the picture button
next to your name and add one of the 'pictures'.
If you do this the extension keeps working after logout/login.
This works, but once I select a new picture, I can't go back to the original
generic one (which is nevertheless shown as an option for some reason).
I wanted to see if the extension would keep working if I changed to a new
picture and then back to the original one.
Well as they say: curiosity killed the cat {^!*}
I see you have already added to the bug report (bugzilla 739271)
Alexander
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Re: can Thunderbird be configured to pick Fedora system mail?
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 09:25:54PM -0500, Claude Jones wrote: On 11/23/2011 10:14 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: Go to Edit Account Settings, then in the lower left corner select Account Actions Add Other Account , and finally in the dialog that appears select Unix Mailspool (Movemail). Hey, thanks T.C. - one thing that I couldn't figure out - even though I told it to use the inbox in Local Folders, it still set up it's own highest level account and its own InBox - is there something I missed? I really don't want one of those upper level accounts with its string of boxes if I can avoid it - rather just receive the local mail in my Local Folders InBox and use a filter to send it to its own single folder One way is to delete 'inbox' under Local Folders and replace it with a soft link ln -s -T /var/spool/mail/xxx inbox. Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: fedora 16 64 bits gnome shutdown button
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 07:42:13PM -0700, Greg Woods wrote: Yep. Sure enough, if I activate the alternate-status-menu extension, it works, but as soon as I log out, I can't log back in again without the Oh no screen until I disable the extension. Yes, a bug. But you can work around it for the moment by adding a 'picture' to your account. Click on your name, click on the picture button next to your name and add one of the 'pictures'. If you do this the extension keeps working after logout/login. Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora - time to blink
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:01:44PM -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: Descriptions by people like him of what Gnome 3 was going to be are why I don't use Gnome any more. It's clearly gone down a path I don't want . Joe With a little work Gnome 3.2 can be adapted to a desktop that you should have no trouble working with (and liking (maybe)). Stop with the criticism and take a look at Linux Mint 12 RC. This clearly is Gnome 3.2 but with all the 'missing features' of Gnome 2 you and others are complaining about. The Mint people clearly took the trouble to make Gnome 3 more Gnome 2 like to 'ease the transition'. Fedora didn't but it can still come and I suspect you could even do it yourself if you really cared. Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: penta-booting hard-disk: who would administer the hard-disk office?
On 24-11-2011 17:48, Linux Tyro wrote: Hi, As I have liked Linux (yes, I am windows convert), so with 2 GB RAM and 250 GB hard-disk, I am now going to make hard-disk penta boot as follows:- Fedora - 20 GB - installing it, - /root (20 GB) openSUSE - 10 GB installing with /root (10 GB) Ubuntu - 10 GB installing with /root (10 GB) Debian - 10 GB installing with /root (10 GB) Mint - 10 GB installing with /root (10 GB) /home - 190 GB (remaining space) In this scenario, I have just few doubts: While suppose I first install Fedora, I have to use /root for 20 GB, /home for 190 GB (which automatically becomes Logical partition...?) or should I make both primary and logical other distros...? Similarly proceeding with all distros, and allocating space from the unallocated ones, okay but installed other distros would come in Extended...(obviously...?) After final installation, which distros would govern the booting menu? Since some may have GRUB2 and others may have GRUB Legacy, so changing one file might disturb the other or vice-versa? Or is it like that if I have installed /root (Fedora) at first, so only /boot/grub/menu.lst of Fedora would govern the hard-disk and the changes made in this file would be done automatically with other installed distros too...Trying this new geeky way of installation but I have no prior experience since earlier I had installed only two distros - Fedora dual booted with Windows, but now I am trying to remove Windows completely and installed these distros Any suggestionswelcomeThanks. Something like this is possible. But you will be making things needlessly difficult for yourself, Why not just burn the live CD's so you can explore the distros at your leisure and then choose the one you like most to work and learn. And depending on which DE you choose Ubuntu/Mint and Fedora/OpenSuse are not all that different. Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Error in booting F16 DVD
On 11/16/2011 11:08 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
When I boot the F16 DVD I first get the screen with the:
Install or Upgrade the Fedora
After I hit return after what seems like an extended wait {30 sec. or
so] I get the following error:
systemd{1] failed to fully start up daemon : no such file or directory
Then for a few seconds what looks like a small ram dump appears on the
screen and a message:
Starting Anaconda Version 16.25
I saw something like this.
In any case the 'systemd failed to fully start up daemon: no such file
or directory' part.
I ignored this and went ahead with the installation.
Install went without problems and I saw no bad effects afterwards
so I did not investigate further as to the cause (actually I forgot to).
Alexander
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Re: Bios boot partition question
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 04:44:11PM -0800, Bryce Hardy wrote: On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: All excellent questions which I would have thought deserved at least a bit of text in the release notes rather than just firing a barrel full of acronyms at you :-). Even worse, the official Installation Guide for F16 doesn't even mention this issue at all! Not even in the chapter about Recommended Partitioning. It appears to be just continued word for word from the previous release. I downloaded the Installation Guide specifically to be able to read about this in more detail, but alas that's not possible. Agreed. And worser still: no mention is made of 'installation roulette'. If you do a clean install using the whole disk with the default GPT partioning scheme your BIOS might refuse to start the bootloader. This is something that should not happen very often but it does. I have encountered it on a Dell Vostro 3750, and on Lenovo Thinkpads T121e en T520. This can be evaded by using the 'nogpt' kernel option but no mention is made of this (or in the case of the Lenovo's evaded by doing an UEFI install). NB The problem was encountered with the Lenovo's in the last days before the final release, see bugzilla 735733 for example. I think not enough time as taken to think through the whole installation business (grub2, gpt, uefi) and to produce a coherent Installation Guide and a better adapted anaconda. Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
dconf-editor icon-manager
If I understand it correctly after installing 'gnome-shell-extension-icon-manager' and 'dconf-editor' it is possible to add/remove icons from the top-bar (Fed 16 + Gnome 3.2). However I can find no documentation to explain how to do this except /usr/share/doc/gnome-shell-extension-icon-manager-0/README which says: . Edit key * top-bar: put icons that you want to remove from top-bar or move from tray bar But if I enter 'volume' for example it is not accepted with remark: Error setting value: 0-6 unknown keyword. At the bottom of the window I see Type: as. What is this type as and how do i enter it. Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: dconf-editor icon-manager [solved]
On 11/13/2011 02:53 PM, Alexander Volovics wrote: If I understand it correctly after installing 'gnome-shell-extension-icon-manager' and 'dconf-editor' it is possible to add/remove icons from the top-bar (Fed 16 + Gnome 3.2). However I can find no documentation to explain how to do this except /usr/share/doc/gnome-shell-extension-icon-manager-0/README which says: . Edit key * top-bar: put icons that you want to remove from top-bar or move from tray bar But if I enter 'volume' for example it is not accepted with remark: Error setting value: 0-6 unknown keyword. At the bottom of the window I see Type: as. What is this type as and how do i enter it. Sorry for the noise Typing 'volume' instead of volume works. Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: heads up: Adobe now has full 64-bit Flash support
On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 02:19:05PM +, Andre Robatino wrote: Adobe now has full 64-bit Flash support, including a 64-bit repo. Just go to http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ , select YUM for Linux (YUM), download and install adobe-release-x86_64-1.0-1.noarch.rpm, and install flash-plugin from the repo. Someone needs to edit https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flash (meaning taking an axe to it). In particular, I don't know if there's any reason for anyone to use the 32-bit wrapped plugin anymore. Anybody know if it is still necessary to use 64 bit nspluginwrapper with the 64 bit flash-plugin. Does this have any advantages at all? (I am for the moment not considering that you might need the wrapper for other plugins like Adobe Reader). When I installed the 64 bit flash-plugin it immediately got wrapped (nswrapper.libflashplayer.so) so I uninstalled nspluginwrapper.x86_64 and libflashplayer.so seems to work just as well as nswrapper.libflashplayer.so though I have not tested it extensively. I nspluginwrapper.x86_64 needed for anything at all? Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to get both T520 trackpoint and touchpad working in F15
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 07:43:33PM +0100, mike cloaked wrote On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Alexander Volovics a.volo...@upcmail.nl wrote: I am trying to get both trackpoint and touchpad of the Lenovo T520 UltraNav working, preferably at the same time as under Windows 7. cat /proc/bus/input/devices shows: - SynPS/2 Synaptics Touchpad - TPPS/2 IBM Trackpoint After install of F15 the trackpoint works but not the touchpad. The scroll feature of the trackpoint (hold down middle button and move the stick) does not work. I don't have your hardware but I do have a synaptics touchpad on my f16 system and get it to work by doing the following: adding these two lines to /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf: Option TapButton1 1 Option RBCornerButton 3 (Line 1: left mouse tap / Line 2: right mouse tap in lower right corner) https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics Also add Option RightEdge 5000 Option LeftEdge 1700 It is possible that this may get yours going also but you would have to try it and say if it works? Mike, Thanks for the reply. Before trying to add xorg config files I would like to understand what is going on. Why does the trackpoint work but not the touchpad though both are recognized at startup and seem to be initialized judging by dmesg, etc. (F15). I would expect the touchpad to also work in a primitive way. Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
How to get both T520 trackpoint and touchpad working in F15
I am trying to get both trackpoint and touchpad of the Lenovo T520 UltraNav working, preferably at the same time as under Windows 7. cat /proc/bus/input/devices shows: - SynPS/2 Synaptics Touchpad - TPPS/2 IBM Trackpoint After install of F15 the trackpoint works but not the touchpad. The scroll feature of the trackpoint (hold down middle button and move the stick) does not work. After installing 'gpointing-device-settings' the trackpoint can be configured so that scrolling with 'middle button stick does work. I can however find no way to get the touchpad working. This would make scrolling much easier. Can anybody tell me the magic incantation. Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Developers responsibillity to Fedora Users
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 03:12:15AM -0700, Craig White wrote: No problem with your English whatsoever. The only problem that I have is with the logic that the fate of GNOME represents the fate of Open Source or Linux - it doesn't. Just look at the feedback on the new Macintosh OS X Lion or Windows 8 preview... there is a lot of griping about the changes to the UI. It's certain that regardless of the OS, changes to the UI will always raise a bunch of complaints and the more drastic the changes, the louder the complaints. That's not really surprising. People who appreciate open source should love the bold, fresh ideas that GNOME 3 represents, even if they don't actually intend to use it. It aspires to encompass the computer regardless of form factor. It dares to innovate. It spreads the umbrella of implementation that protects it from those who believe they can patent virtually everything by providing evidence of prior art. It demonstrates that the innovation doesn't only emanate from Cupertino (though some of us knew that) or Redmond (puhlease). But to get to your point that 'GNOME has abandoned GNOME 2 and put distributions in an awkward position' - perhaps you are confused. Let's just stay on topic, Fedora. Fedora is very clear on this... Fedora's core value is to implement new versions as early as reasonable to help drive the development and provide valuable feedback. GNOME 2 is done and if a sufficient number of people want to maintain it for security issues, it can continue on as it always has. But Fedora is giving us a glimpse of the future by implementing the leading edge now... that is and has always been the core value of Fedora. There's no awkwardness or confusion there. Hear hear ! Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Developers responsibillity to Fedora Users
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:39:51AM +0100, Andrew Haley wrote: When Linus Torvalds says I want my sane interfaces back. I have yet to meet anybody who likes the unholy mess that is gnome-3 the problem has to be taken seriously. (It's not just Linus, but he's a leading developer who represents the views of many developers.) Who cares about Linus Torvalds opinion on anything except kernels and the structure of Linux. Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Developers responsibillity to Fedora Users
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:50:36AM +0100, Andrew Haley wrote:
On 09/28/2011 11:47 AM, Alexander Volovics wrote:
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:39:51AM +0100, Andrew Haley wrote:
When Linus Torvalds says I want my sane interfaces back. I have yet
to meet anybody who likes the unholy mess that is gnome-3 the problem
has to be taken seriously. (It's not just Linus, but he's a leading
developer who represents the views of many developers.)
Who cares about Linus Torvalds opinion on anything except kernels
and the structure of Linux.
I think the answer to that question is in the parentheses above.
My neighbour is a leading Ubuntu 11.04 user who represents the views
of many Ubuntu users {^!^}
Alexander
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Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2
On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 10:26:49AM -0400, Genes MailLists wrote: Its one thing to add tablet/phone (metro) mode - its another to make laptops (or desktops) much more difficult to use. You should stop and think about how 'ego-centric' your remarks are. We on this mailing list hardly represent the great unwashed mass of computer (computer like device) users. I could probably produce on short notice say about 20 'users' who do not agree with you. And these masses keep the manufacturers (Dell, Lenovo, etc) in business, not us. A lot of them will have little difficulty adapting to Unity/Gnome 3 And all these other 'changes' making laptops much more difficult to use, such as say - UEFI - the 16:9 format of the screens I don't hear you fulminating against these. And have you stopped to think what a computer (desktop/laptop) might look like in say 20 years time. Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 04:24:02PM +0930, Tim wrote:
On Sun, 2011-09-18 at 18:06 +0200, Alexander Volovics wrote:
Ad point 1: who cares about mice, use the keyboard.
There are various things that one does with a computer that are just
about all graphical (e.g. working with photos). Granted that there are
better than mice drawing tools, but it's the default tool that many
have, or maybe the only tool that they have. Hopping between mouse and
keyboard, thanks to poor GUI design, IS BAD!
Dear Tim Ignored_mailbox,
There are almost as many kinds of computer users as there are computers.
One size will not fit all. People put computers to so many different
kinds of uses that it is unlikely that there will ever be an interface
that satisfies everybody or maybe even a majority of users.
Peoples needs, work habits and mechanical skills are vastly different!
And who knows what a 'computer' will be in a couple of years.
With 'downsizing' to portable (- tablet) and 'upsizing' to large
touchscreens (- large tablets = all-in-one pc's) the dominant
interface will probably be a poke, swipe and handwave one.
(Mouse not even needed, let alone a keyboard. The few people that
can still write might use a virtual keyboard like eekboard to
poke a few letters (or they might just use 'dictation'))
So Unity and Gnome3 could have had a head start {^!^}
Using keyboard shortcuts I navigate easily and fast
between apps, even on different workspaces.
Despite using all manner of computers for over thirty years, I do not
remember many short cuts, certainly only a few of them. And many of
them are so bizarre that you're highly unlikely to remember them. It
gets worse when programmers change them between releases.
In my +/- 52 years of using computers I have gone from analog
desktop calculating machines to the X1 (home made Dutch computer)
to IBM, DEC, Univac Big Iron to Small Iron VAX and PDP to
desktop and laptop PC's.
From punch cards, paper tape, teletype machines, primitive VT100/VTXXX
terminals to sophisticated modern monitors.
From the clunky, odious OS's of IBM Big Iron to VAX/VMS to
OS/2 to Linux (FVWM, Blackbox/Openbox/Fluxbox, Enlightenment, KDE1, KDE2,
Gnome1, Gnome2, Gnome3, sometimes using 2 or more at the same time).
Just stop and think about the amount of change and adapting
computer users of my generation have had to deal with (and be
productive at the same time).
So I sometimes get just a teensy weensy bit tired when somebody
'whines' that Gnome3 disrupted their wonderful Gnome2 work habits.
I can get by with mostly keyboard use because I have very sober needs.
1) Mail = 'terminal + Mutt' (no mouse use possible)
2) LaTeX editor = 'Gummi' (or 'LyX' but it does not play well with
'Xy-pic'). Mouse not very useful in this context. And I used to use
'terminal+Vim+LaTeX' but 'Vim+LaTeX' has become too much of a strain
on my memory.
3) Editor = 'Vim' for housekeeping tasks and 'Gedit' for say letter
writing.
4) Files = 'terminal + Bash shell commands'
5) Math app = 'terminal + R' mostly (Gui useless for heavy interactive
work)
6) PDF/PS reader = 'Evince'
7) Browser = only when needed 'Firefox'
8) Music = 'Rhythmbox' but only to listen to 2 radio stations
(RTBF-Vivacité-Liège RTBF-La Première for nostalgic reasons
and to keep up my French).
I open everything with 'Ctrl-Alt-letter' and close everything with
'Alt-F4'. To navigate the Gnome3 desktop/workspaces/windows I use the
default keyboard shortcuts (and occasionally the mouse).
I do not start up and close down with 'arranged desktops and workspaces'.
Bah, it is one of the crappest user interfaces ever designed, and causes
even more repetitive strain injuries than bad keyboarding. About the
only things going for it are its simplicity and intuitiveness.
Actually I would be an ideal candidate user for 'Scrotwm' but
I prefer the sleek sophistication of Gnome3.
What made me like it at first sight was the sparse, clean desktop.
Everything hidden from sight, but yet relatively easily accessible.
No icons on the desktop, no icons on the topbar, marvelous!
[Though given the stupid 16:9 format of recent (laptop) screens a
'sidebar' instead of 'topbar' might be preferable.
Now why does nobody protest this 'crappy hardware interface' or are you
all only game players and video watchers]
Alexander
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Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 01:11:16PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: How about the way that you can only trigger a specific and needed action To me there are several - the weird 'mouse corner' behaviour - which is useless for any corner you choose on a big display, great for touchscreen, total fail for dual headed monitors. Should at least also be a mouse gesture as well as a key shortcut - disabling the middle mouse button by default - the amazing one pixel wide borders for resizing - the very slow compositing performance of the desktop (which is one I know is being worked on) - the fact that moving between apps on different desktops is now a mouse marathon (left corner for overview, mouse all the way to the right click on desktop, mouse most of the way back to the left, click on app). Just try this on a dual monitor display and weep. - the over-reliance on OpenGL code paths for things you can do without and which should work on any old video card (eg the scaling/shading). E can do some of them faster on a dumb card much of the time than Gnome 3 is doing on a 3D card ! - the very high memory usage for buffers (I think again due to poor compositor design) - no window shading option - lack of basic configurability The first five should be trivial to fix, the last one in part seems to be because 3.0 was rushed and not ready. The compositor looks hard to sort out Though I am a staunch (but not uncritical) admirer and user of Gnome3 I am in agreement with your points 3,4,6,8 above. Ad point 1: who cares about mice, use the keyboard. Ad point 2: don't understand this one, disabled? Ad point 5: as I am not an investor, trader or developer with 2 (or more) monitors I have no problems with this. Using keyboard shortcuts I navigate easily and fast between apps, even on different workspaces. Even using the mouse is not very stressfull. You get into the 'flow' quickly enough. (And exercise is good for you :-)) And from my very limited experience with 2 monitors I think using 2 monitors is tiring enough in itself. Ad point 7: I shade windows all the time (shade is roll up window?) (gnome-tweak-tool). Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 08:41:38AM -0500, Michael Ekstrand wrote: Polls only go so far. Users often don't know what they want, or think they want X and really want Y (or would have their actual needs better met by Y). It's the user experience designer's job to sift through that and give them what they need to do their work, which is not necessarily what the users would tell you they need/want if you ask them. Polls (or, better yet, interviews) can be a valuable tool in figuring out what to build how to build it, but they are just one input point. Further, a visionary designer can come up with good solutions that the people polled couldn't have imagined and therefore couldn't have said they wanted. I don't know that the Gnome designers and developers have achieved Steve Jobs quality-of-vision when it comes to user experience design. But they're trying a bold new concept (and yes it's new - Gnome Shell predates both Metro and OSX Lion Dashboard), and that can pay off. All this to say, I think this idea of polling the users is very misguided. Should more user input have been sought? Probably. But let's stop talking about nonsense ways to get it. For those saying if people liked it, we'd hear, let me add my voice: I find Gnome 3 to be a very fluid and productive experience on my laptop. I agree completely. I was going to post a counter message adressing these anti Gnome 3 rants but shall refrain from doing so as it is next to impossible to influence Linux zealots of any persuasion. So I will hereby come out of the closet and let myself be heard as Gnome 3 lover. I too find Gnome 3 a fluid and productive experience on my laptop and a slightly less fluid but still productive experience on my desktop. In the name of all Gnome 3 afficionados I would suggest changing the title of this thread to: 'Gnome 3 is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2'. (This is not to say that I am uncritical of Gnome 3 or an admirer of the attitude of some of the Gnome developers) Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
rpm's related to Dell
I see that there are some rpm's that contain the name Dell in the title, like: - firmware-addon-dell - yum-dellsysid The description does not contain enough information to judge what these packages do. Are these packages supplied bij Dell themselves for use with Dell servers sold with Red Hat Linux installed or can they also be used with any Dell desktop/laptop? Can they for example be used for BIOS updates or do you need special BIOS packages supplied by Dell? Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Who supplies the information to configure Dell keyboards?
I ask because using Fed15/Gnome3 not all keys on the following laptops (Dell Inspiron 1764 and Dell Vostr 3750) work. For example the key to switch on/off the touchpad. It does not work and also does not provide any 'notification'. However using Ubuntu 11.04 all keys do work on the Inspiron 1764. With Ubuntu 11.04 the touchpad key provides a notification icon and works! On the Vostro 3750 with a newer touchpad (Alps) it produces the notification icon but does not seem to work (but all other keys work). I tried the Fedora 16 alpha and it shows the icon but does not work on the Inspiron 1764. On the Vostro 3750 it does nothing at all. Why does Fedora lag behind Ubuntu in this regard while usually providing newer drivers and firmware than Ubuntu? The kernel provides the drivers and firmware for Dell machines and the keyboard configuration seem to be supplied by 'udev' and 'xkeyboard-config'. Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Who supplies the information to configure Dell keyboards?
On Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 04:37:09PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 09/05/2011 03:57 PM, Alexander Volovics wrote: I ask because using Fed15/Gnome3 not all keys on the following laptops (Dell Inspiron 1764 and Dell Vostr 3750) work. For example the key to switch on/off the touchpad. It does not work and also does not provide any 'notification'. Do file a bug report against the kernel in Red Hat bugzilla and cc Matthew Garrett mjg59-AT-srcf.ucam.org . It can be reassigned if necessary. Keyboard information seems simple at first glance but often is quite complicated. For the gory details, refer to https://lwn.net/Articles/456146 Will do. Thanks for the reference. Didn't know this stuff. Indeed 'gory details'. Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 15 is a lot like Windows OS's.. irritating, offensive, difficult to use with ease, nauseating to try...
On Fri, Sep 02, 2011 at 04:32:07AM +, Amadeus W.M. wrote:
Why did the UI have to change to something that looks and feels
like a giant smart phone?
Integrated chat and messaging? Where did that come from?
Maybe because in the not too distant future all PCs will
become giant (or dwarf) smart phones {^+^}
http://shop.lenovo.com/us/products/Desktops/IdeaCentre/b-series/b520/index.html
Alexander (who does not own or use a smart phone).
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Re: No Gnome 3 for me
On Thu, Aug 04, 2011 at 07:51:09PM -0700, John Wendel wrote: Thanks for the reply. When I run the Nouveau driver, I get the Gnome fallback version. And I see a console message that says that there is no 3D hardware acceleration. I've got the same software versions. You mentioned that you have a GeForce 7300 card. All GeForce 7300 (GT,GS,LE,SE and PCIe or AGP) cards have 3D hardware acceleration. They should be recognized as such when booting F15. What does 'lspci -d 10de:' say. You are running the Nvidia driver. This requires a 'nomodeset' entry in the kernel line of /boot/grub/grub.conf (if I remember correctly). To switch to the nouveau driver you have to disable the nvidia driver. Have you checked if the 'nomodeset' entry has been removed. Also have a look at system settings-system info-graphics-forced fallback mode-on/off Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: No Gnome 3 for me
On Thu, Aug 04, 2011 at 04:39:53PM +0100, Arthur Dent wrote: On Wed, 2011-08-03 at 22:32 -0700, John Wendel wrote: Anybody have a solution for the bug (?) that keeps Gnome 3 from working with Nvidia 7300 video cards? Specifically, the keyboard and mouse clicks don't work (but ctrl-alt-backspace does). It's been a while, I thought this would surely get fixed. I'm running F15 with the latest updates and the latest Nvidia driver. I too am interested in this. I have a Dell Dimension E520 with Nvidia GeForce 7300 LE. I have put off upgrading to F15 on this machine (I have F15 running on a headless server which has no need of Gnomery) because I read these threads: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2011-June/400091.html http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2011-June/398532.html http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2011-July/401484.html I have not tried installing the (latest) Nvidia driver again. I suspect it will still give problems with at least the NV46 family of Nvidia chips (including the GeForce 7300 (LE)) as Nvidia has as far as I know not adressed this problem. However I can confirm that the Nouveau driver is now functioning adequately with the Geforce 7300 LE. I have been using it for the past 2 weeks: (xorg-x11-drv-nouveau-0.0.16-24.20110324git8378443.fc15.x86_64 mesa-xxx-7.11-0.16.20110709.0.fc15.x86_64 and kernel-2.6.40-4.fc15.x86_64) So if are willing to give up the Nvidia drivers you can comfortably run F15+Gnome3 with Nouveau. Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
systemctl shows 'errors'
Investigating systemctl I came across the following: systemctl list-units --type=service --all |grep error dbus-org.bluez.serviceerror inactive dead dbus-org.bluez.service livesys-late.service error inactive dead livesys-late.service openct.serviceerror inactive dead openct.service The number of services listed with LOAD = error is not constant. Sometimes I have seen more. Is this 'standard' behaviour or something that needs correcting? Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: systemctl shows 'errors'
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 03:43:36AM -0700, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: Alexander Volovics wrote: Investigating systemctl I came across the following: systemctl list-units --type=service --all |grep error dbus-org.bluez.serviceerror inactive dead dbus-org.bluez.service livesys-late.service error inactive dead livesys-late.service openct.serviceerror inactive dead openct.service The number of services listed with LOAD = error is not constant. Sometimes I have seen more. Is this 'standard' behaviour or something that needs correcting? Yes, this is okay. The '--all' switch makes a lot of units appear that you need not be concerned about unless you're debugging a systemd unit configuration file. They are listed because another service configured them as an ordering dependency, which means it wants to start before or after one of the above services start, if it exists. It does not actually require them to be present. Incidentally, 'error' means that systemd had a problem loading or parsing a unit file. 'failed' indicates that it tried to start a service, but the service itself has a problem. So, for normal troubleshooting, this command is probably more useful: $ systemctl list-units | grep failed Thanks for the explanation. Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F15 Gnome 3 + Nvidia Driver = No Keyboard or Mouse buttons
On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 09:05:54AM -0700, John Wendel wrote: I'd really like to run Gnome 3 on an older computer (P4) that has nvidia (7300 GS) graphics. I installed and tried it using the nouveau driver and found it was unusable, with terribly slow graphics. So I installed the Nvidia driver, using akmod-nvidia. Installed OK. But the mouse buttons didn't work, though the mouse pointer moved OK. The Windows key and alt-f2 didn't work, but ctrl-alt-bksp worked and killed X. So I installed KDE and everything works perfectly, with the Nvidia driver. But I'd rather use Gnome 3. Anyone have a fix? See the thread: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2011-June/400091.html and the earlier thread: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2011-June/398532.html The 7300 GS is probably not too different from the 7300 LE. So I suspect you are out of luck. It might be wise to send a bug report to Nvidia. Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: installing F-15 on Mac
On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 07:55:00AM -0400, Gary Waters wrote: I have a friend with an intel-based i-mac. He seems interested in trying linux. I assume fedora can be installed on Mac and it can also dualboot? The google info was a bit sketchy. Answers on this list tend to be far more precise. If you have not seen this documentation already you might find it instructive: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleIntelInstallation Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Alps Electric touchpad and Fedora 15
I am looking at 2 laptops with an Alps touchpad and Fedora 15 + Gnome 3: 1) Dell Inspiron 1764 with Intel Core i5-430M 2) Dell Vostro 3750 with Intel Core i5-2410M (Sandy Bridge) 1) is almost 2 years older than 2) so I suspect the same goes for the Alps Electric touchpad. On both laptops the Alps is recognized as a PS/2 mouse. In general this works good though I have not checked if all the functionality of the touchpad is available. My question concerns the entry Mouse and Touchpad under System Settings (gnome-control-center). In 1) clicking on this icon gives you a configuration window with entries for mouse AND touchpad (with rather skimpy options). In 2) clicking on this icon ONLY shows a mouse configuration window. Why this difference? It also shows up in the hardware listings. On 1) I find PS/2 mouse AND Alps. On 2) I only see PS/2 mouse. Newer Alps? Sandy Bridge? Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Alps Electric touchpad and Fedora 15
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:02:43AM -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 13:32 +0200, Alexander Volovics wrote: I am looking at 2 laptops with an Alps touchpad and Fedora 15 + Gnome 3: 1) Dell Inspiron 1764 with Intel Core i5-430M 2) Dell Vostro 3750 with Intel Core i5-2410M (Sandy Bridge) 1) is almost 2 years older than 2) so I suspect the same goes for the Alps Electric touchpad. On both laptops the Alps is recognized as a PS/2 mouse. In general this works good though I have not checked if all the functionality of the touchpad is available. My question concerns the entry Mouse and Touchpad under System Settings (gnome-control-center). In 1) clicking on this icon gives you a configuration window with entries for mouse AND touchpad (with rather skimpy options). In 2) clicking on this icon ONLY shows a mouse configuration window. Why this difference? It also shows up in the hardware listings. On 1) I find PS/2 mouse AND Alps. On 2) I only see PS/2 mouse. Newer Alps? Sandy Bridge? Latest ALPS developments: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14660 Thanks for the reference. Looked through the posts but this is all rocket science for me :-) Guess I shall have to wait. Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Paradigm shift going from Gnome2 to Gnome3
This might become one of those never ending discussions,
if somebody does not end the thread, but I feel like having
'my' last word, so here goes:
I think it is almost impossible to design a desktop that the
vast majority of users is comfortable with, certainly if you cannot
arrange for large scale usability testing.
And when you make a (too) big break with the past you are
almost certain to irritate and alienate users who have
acquired certain fixed working habits and who then have
to cope with an unfamiliar environment. And maybe work in
a way that is not congenial to their anatomy or physiology.
As has been remarked upon Gnome3 (and Unity) give the impression
of having been designed for the 'thumb swipe' and 'finger poke'
habits of smart phone users (or the 'hand wave' of touchscreen
users). Thus for people who do not have to sit for hours in front
of a screen and actually work, sometimes on stressful and repetitive
tasks.
For me the break with the past was not great. First of all
I fell in love with the 'empty' desktop (Hurrah, NO icons!).
In the second place I am by profession a keyboard user.
Actually I almost only use an 'editor' to write (LaTeX/LyX)'
a 'terminal' to compute and graph (R) and a MUA (Mutt) for mail.
And I could start up all these things with keyboard shortcuts.
I mostly only use the mouse to 'navigate'/'configure' the OS GUI.
I hardly ever use more than one workplace, at the most two.
And I do not leave windows/terminals 'open' unused. I 'close'
everything behind me, even when working on more than one task.
And I do not 'shutdown' with open tasks so as to be able to
'resume' easily on start up. I just 'close'/'save' everything
in different 'folders' and 'restart'.
So my desktop/gui once configured I hardly need to 'descend' to
the 'overview' ('hell' for some users :-)) level at all.
My complaints with Gnome3 are more with the 'aesthetics'.
They make use difficult if you have bad eyesight for example
the black topbar with almost unreadable spindly fonts contrasting
badly with the (shiny) black border of my desktop/laptop screens
or the tiny text under icons in the overview.
Some things are just ugly to my taste: the monstrous array of
often ugly/brash icons in the Applications compartment of the
'Overview' for example. (And this is not even logical as the
same apps/icons are to be found in the sub compartments Graphics,
System Tools, Accessories, etc. and not even handy/useful given
the vast number of icons and the stupid 16:9 laptop screens so
you have to scroll to navigate).
And last but not least: the missing configuration options!
Maybe Gnome3.x will 'improve' on (some) of these things.
Let us just hope they do not foist what I call the 'Unity Horror'
on us. To save screen space the Ubuntu/Unity designers removed
the menu bar from app windows and placed it in the topbar.
This results in some nice mix ups when you have a large number
of apps open as they only have place for one app menu in the topbar.
If you do this, and I agree in principle, you should make it an
app window option (like with gnome-terminal).
Exit Alexander
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Re: Again: the Nvidia driver does not work with Gnome 3
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 02:55:29AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Ed Greshko Rahul Sundaram Hardly necessary as nouveau 3D is still a work in progress. The work in progress is guided by feedback from users. I would consider it necessary As a result of the community spirit your combined words masculine perswasive force begot in me (to paraphrase the great English poet) I repented and submitted a bug report (bugzilla 714800) :-) Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
retrace server always busy
Every time I try to use the retrace server to submit a bug report I get the message server busy, try again later. Do others have the same experience. Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Paradigm shift going from Gnome2 to Gnome3
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:57:24PM -0600, Stuart McGraw wrote: On 06/20/2011 09:44 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: There is a paradigm shift going from Gnome2 to Gnome3 which I have not seen discussed on this list. I too noted the mouse deprecation in Gnome 3. Besides alienating a large group of users who simply prefer using the mouse over the keyboard when there is a choice, Do you people actually work with Gnome 3. If you are a versatile mouse user I suspect that you can actually work just as fast with the mouse as with the keyboard. Jab the pointer in the upper left corner, click on an app in the dash or swerve to the right and click on 'applications', click on the app you need if you see it immediately in this monstrous platoon of icons, or go even further to the right and select a category (Acessories, Games, etc) and click on an icon there to open an app. When the app is open you jab the mouse pointer in the upper left corner again, select the app with the mouse pointer and drag it to a workspace, etc. You have everything you ever had, point and click, drag and drop, just in a slightly different desktop arragement. And of course the apps themselves are just as completely mouse oriented as they ever were. Gnome 3 is only keyboard oriented in that it lets you type (or start typing) the name of an app in the search bar (and that you can access the overview by pressing the windows key or Alt-F1). The Gnome developers missed a great opportunity to make keyboard work easier by not implementing the use of the 'arrow keys' to navigate the icons in the Dash and the icons in the applications overview for example (like Ubuntu did with Unity which actually offers keyboard users more versatility). Things like the use of 'Alt-F2' and other keyboard shortcuts were available a long time already. So on the whole there is no paradigm of keyboard use and Gnome 3 is certainly not advertised as such. Read the 'Desktop Help' under the ring buoy icon and pay no attention to 'misunderstood marketing jargon and hype' and 'biased reporting of opinioted users'. Experience it honestly for yourself. Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Again: the Nvidia driver does not work with Gnome 3
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:04:04PM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote: On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 03:05:58PM +0200, Alexander Volovics wrote: (nouveau/radeon). And that the interaction of Gnome 3 with the proprietary drivers hasn't been checked (so that you can still run Gnome 3 if nouveau/radeon does not work or works badly). Binary drivers were checked. Nvidia said they'd fix the performance problems and they released a new version shortly after the GNOME 3.0.0 release. Up to now, I thought it fixed the performance problem for everyone. So if you still encounter problems, file a bug with Nvidia. So I shall eventually. I have had enough Nvidia for the moment. Regards, Olav Ook Nederlander? Dan zeg ik maar Groeten, Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
