Re: Fora vs. mailing lists

[Fernando Cassia]

On Sun, 10 Mar 2024, 13:40 Thomas Cameron, 
wrote:

>
> I hate using fora. I generally have to open a separate tab for each
> forum I'm on, and I'm on a LOT. And I have to go out of my way to even
> remember all the fora I am a member of. For those of us who are members
> of a bunch, it's kind of a beating - especially if you're an ADHD
> person, like me.
>

Yes, yes, yes, to everything you said.
*insert obligatory Jack Nicholson nodding "yes" GIF In slow motion*

>
Back in 2012 Sun Micro decided that web forums were the future and that the
mailing list for Virtualbox users would be shut down, leaving only the
developers mailing list. Their rationally or selling point was pure BS like
"today users don't like email and prefer Web based forums".

We staged a mini revolt on the mailing list until a concesus was reached
and Sun agreed to link from the official page to a community run mailing
list, which we created at sourceforge and which I admin to this day.

Sadly the volumen of messages has decreased over time but we still get a
few messages a week. And when a newbie appears with a question, the "old
gang" is there to reply - including a few ORCL devs-.

Sadly they seldom stay or post again after their support question is
answered. Maybe they unsubscribe after their problem is fixed. I haven't
checked.

Mailing lists were and are "communities", like a Citizens Band shared
channel or HAM radio.

Forums are more public support ticket systems. People come demanding
solutions to their problems and then leave. There isn't - for most people a
commitment to stay and participate in discussions to begin with. And the
nature of the posting and reading method encourages that. Email lands in
your inbox whether you like it or not.

More nodding in agreement follows below.


> I also love that I see interesting problems on mailing lists that I'd
> never thought of or dealt with, and it's right there, in the list's mail
> folder. I learn a LOT perusing those messages.



Yes. Same.

It's there, I can easily
> read through the threads when I get a minute. And I don't have to
> remember to fire up a new browser tab to parse them
>

Exactly.

*waves fist at cloud*

Cheers,
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Re: Mozilla VPN

[Fernando Cassia]

On Fri, Dec 8, 2023, 16:12 murph nj  wrote:

> I've decided to try a new VPN provider, and figured I'd give Mozilla's
> offering a go.
>
> They have a client for Ubuntu, but nothing for Fedora.
>
> I tried installing using the instuctions from this website:
>
>
> https://blog.radwell.codes/2021/12/install-mozilla-vpn-rpm-from-binary-on-fedora/
>
> Seemed like a solid way to go about it from the Mozilla github pages,
> but the end result installs but only gives a blank window when run
> from the GUI.  There is a command line interface, but none of what I
> tried worked, although I'm still making attempts.


Sorry to hear it doesn't work. If all fails, I've used VPN Unlimited from
Ukrainians at Keepsolid and it has worked flawlessly, on Ubuntu and Debian.

It has the bonus that a percentage of the proceeds goes to the Ukraine
military to defend themselves against the Russian invasion.

Plus, it's lifetime plan is truly lifetime.
I paid six years ago and got myself a new lifetime license this year just
to have around in case of need of additional slots.

Linux client (deb only sorry)
https://www.vpnunlimited.com/downloads/linux

Not sure about how the deb to rpm conversion with alien would work

///
Use this link for a discount
P0QIFI2yhLGnVAsdyf5P

To apply the gifted promo code:
1. Log in to the KeepSolid User Office.
2. Press the Manage button on the VPN Unlimited card.
3. Go to the Pricing menu.
4. Choose the desired subscription plan.
5. Copy the promo code.
6. Press Bonus and paste the gifted code.
///

Just my $0.02

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Re: I HAVE NOY USE FEDOREA AT ALL

[Fernando Cassia]

On Tue, Dec 20, 2022, 00:46 figjux figjux  wrote:

> I do not what is happening, but the last time I used Fedora was at least
> 10 years ago.
> So than. I beg you to unsubscribe me from this bulletin.
> It´s a  spend time for you and me.
>

Juan,

YOU HAVE NOY READ FEDOREA  BULLETIN UNSUBSCRIBE INSTRUCTIONS which is
included at the bottom of every email.

>
>
> To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org


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Re: FYI: Microsoft broke secureboot in qemu-based VMs

[Fernando Cassia]

On Sun, Sep 18, 2022, 01:32 Sam Varshavchik  wrote:

>
>
> But the bottom line: this is now broken. Just an FYI…
>

///
Microsoft does not represent that the UEFI Revocation List is error free
and you bear the entire risk of using it.  NEITHER MICROSOFT NOR UEFI MAKES
ANY WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, WITH RESPECT TO THE UEFI REVOCATION
LIST, AND MICROSOFT AND UEFI EACH EXPRESSLY DISCLAIMS ALL OTHER EXPRESS,
IMPLIED, OR STATUTORY WARRANTIES.  THIS INCLUDES THE WARRANTIES OF
MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, TITLE AND
NON-INFRINGEMENT.
///

https://uefi.org/revocationlistfile

I am not a lawyer, but I'm sure lawyers can have a field day with the above
statement. Specially if your machine - real or virtual - stops booting
after a revocation list update.

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Re: Security Flaw - Thunderbird FYI

[Fernando Cassia]

On Mon., 20 Sep. 2021, 23:44 Ed Greshko,  wrote:

>
>
> This means if you get an encrypted message, walk away from you system, and
> forget to secure it
> anyone can click on an encrypted message it will be displayed.
>

. If you walk away from your system and forget to secure it and you don't
trust the people on the same premises all of the following might happen:

- Anyone might install a keylogger.

- your computer might get stolen

- someone might hack any government three letter agency and you will get
the blame.

- someone might send death threats, child porn and other nasty stuff from
your Account and you will get the blame.

*ok, I'm exaggerating*

But you get the idea: don't walk away and fail to secure your system...
specially if you don't know/trust the people around you.

I don't think that's a problem of the email client but rather your system
config.

Now that you talk about that... I'd love to know if it's possible to do
pairing with Bluetooth to auto lock a Linux system when you walk away.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lock-your-windows-pc-automatically-when-you-step-away-from-it-d0a5f536-74ac-0859-820a-4140dac9fcaf

FC

>
> It should allow for pass phrase. And, there should be a "timeout" setting
> for how long a
> vaild pass phrase has been entered for viewing messages.
>
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Re: IRDA to Ethernet gateway for PalmOS (ppp?)

[Fernando Cassia]

On Sun., 11 Jul. 2021, 00:32 Ed Greshko,  wrote:

>
> I can't specifically answer your question other than to say there is a
>
> irda-utils.x86_64 : Utilities for infrared communication between devices
>
> package which may be worth exploring.
>


Thanks Ed!

That helps. I also found an interest g ancient research paper at the hp.com
web site that confirms my assumptions and what I read many years ago...
There were different protocols... I now have to find which one palms used.

I do know it wasn't IRLAN because at one pint in tine I bought a IRDA
access point from HP and it didn't work at all. It worked for PCs but not
Palm PDAs. I do remember that bit...

Here is the excerpt (I'm pasting it in the interest of someone in the
future hitting this thread):

///

There are three different ways to carry TCP/IP over IrDA.

The most common is PPP over IrCOMM. This is the
method used to communicate with data-enabled mobile
phones (those which support IrDA).

IrCOMM is the IrDA stack's simple serial emulation layer,
so it's quite straightforward to setup PPP over this pseudo
serial port. Unfortunately, this introduces inefficiency due to
PPP framing and serial emulation.

The second option is to use IrLAN, which is the
official IrDA standard for transporting TCP/IP over IrDA, and is
implemented in IrDA LAN Access Points. IrLAN is
basically an Ethernet emulation over an IrDA socket.

The third option is to use IrNET, which is used by
Windows 2000 to connect two PCs together (Direct Cable
Connection over IrDA). IrNET is synchronous PPP over an
IrDA socket, using only the protocol part of PPP and
removing both the serial emulation and the PPP framing for greater
performance.
///

Now off to Google for some ancient PalmPilot and Linux FAQ...

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IRDA to Ethernet gateway for PalmOS (ppp?)

[Fernando Cassia]

Does anyone know if IRDA (for networking) is still supported by Linux?

I need to build a gateway from IrDA to ethernet to make legacy palmos
devices talk to the internet.

I vaguely remember IrDA having different protocols, and palmOS not
supporting all of them. Maybe they did serial to ppp, like a dial-up modem?

And there were devices that were palm compatible, like this one...

https://amzn.to/3wAAc0C

Sadly these are long gone and not available even used.

So, I don't know where to start. Would Fedora Linux and the cheap USB-IrDA
adapters work?

If this list is not the right place, is there a forum with palmOS savvy
people where I should ask? Thanks in advance for any pointers...

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Re: CentOS 6 Client installation stuck and don't complete

[Fernando Cassia]

On Wed., 2 Jun. 2021, 20:42 Rohan Talkar,  wrote:

> 
> Complete client installation logs as below.
> ===
>

Any help / suggestions appreciated.
>
> Regards,
> Rohan
>

The only suggestion I have is...

DON'T DO THIS. Pasting huge logs decreases the readability of your posts
and my desire to help you.

You can paste small snippets if a few lines if there are certain statements
that caught your eye. Then refer to the full log via a link to pastebin or
a similar site. Pasting the entire log file is criminal.

Thanks
FC



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Re: Lenovo is a JOKE (IBM too)

[Fernando Cassia]

On Sat., 3 Apr. 2021, 06:01 lejeczek via users, <
users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:

>
> I'm experiencing sleep/resume issue with my Lenovo two
> laptops, same problem my friend sees, only he did file a
> support request to Lenovo.
>

Wasn't it discussed right on this list a few days ago, on a separate thread
also started by you?

It seems to me the issue is still being worked on.

https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/1230#note_824935

It doesn't seem to be specific to Lenovo or Fedora either, but a result of
the "standards" pushed by Microsoft for Win10 which deprecate older
standards... ("Modern Standby")
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/device-experiences/modern-standby-vs-s3

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Re: btrfs RAID 5?

[Fernando Cassia]

On Tue., 5 Jan. 2021, 20:53 Chris Murphy,  wrote:

>
> If there are specific topics that need single source documentation,
> including how to, with examples, possibly also with references - maybe
> that'd be more useful and maintainable.
> --
> Chris Murphy
>

Unpopular opinion (on this list):
Archlinux has the best guides...

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/btrfs

Over and over again I found myself learning more from Archlinux docs than
by any other distro's

Just my $0.02
FC

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Re: btrfs RAID 5?

[Fernando Cassia]

On Sat., 2 Jan. 2021, 15:55 Richard Shaw,  wrote:

> From what I've been able to find online it doesn't look like RAID 5 is
> well supported by btrfs currently. Anyone have any data to the contrary?
>

You might find this of interest...

https://daltondur.st/syno_btrfs_1/



For this reason, Synology chose Linux RAID over Btrfs RAID” (What is the
RAID implementation for Btrfs File System on Synology NAS?

).

By “Linux RAID”, they probably mean Device Mapper RAID, otherwise known as
dmraid.


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Re: Seamonkey settings??

[Fernando Cassia]

On Mon, Oct 5, 2020, 18:43 stan via users 
wrote:

> On Mon, 5 Oct 2020 13:59:10 -0700
> Samuel Sieb  wrote:
>
> > On 10/5/20 1:32 PM, stan via users wrote:
>
> > > On my Seamonkey, I see that each line at the top starts with white
> > > dots.  When I click in them, that line is hidden, and the white dots
> > > migrate below the top items.  If I then click the dots for that
> > > line, it re-opens the line whose dots I clicked.
>
> > I unchecked the menu bar in the view menu.  It took me a while to
> > accidentally figure out how to get it back...
>
> Discovered by testing here, too.  Must be good user interface design.
> :-)  I looked in about:config to see if there was a setting, but I
> couldn't find anything obvious under words like menu or hide or enable.
>

Next time just press Alt-F and the menu bar becomes viewable.

That's the beauty of CUA (Common User Access) menus...

Every item usually has an associated hotkey.

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Re: OT: Bluetooth receiver/transmitter

[Fernando Cassia]

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 16:07 George N. White III  wrote:

>
> In my experience, the docs that might actually be useful often require a
> non-disclosure agreement (NDA).
>

... And can be found with a simple Google search with "site:.ru" as
parameter.
;)

Case in point:
https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1=ms-android=Errata+confidential+site%3A.ru=mobile-gws-wiz-serp

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Re: OT: Bluetooth receiver/transmitter

[Fernando Cassia]

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 15:40 Joe Zeff  wrote:

>
> That's not why they do it.  It's so that when (not if) somebody uses the
> document improperly (or whatever) they can show that they've made a good
> faith effort to prevent it and aren't responsible.


Hmmm... Yep, that could be one of its uses.

What about the paragraph about "reporting sightings of the document on
public servers"...

It's quite obvious that ain't working, and that nobody is "policing"

LOL

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Re: OT: Bluetooth receiver/transmitter

[Fernando Cassia]

On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 21:52 George N. White III  wrote:

>
> CSR  was formerly Cambridge
> Silicon Radio, now owned by Qualcomm and qualified
> under the name "Qualcomm Technologies International, Ltd. (QTIL)".   It
> may not be easy
> to see technical documentation:
>
> Qualcomm Technologies International, Ltd. Confidential and Proprietary -
> Qualcomm Technologies International, Ltd. (formerly known as Cambridge
> Silicon Radio Ltd.) NO PUBLIC DISCLOSURE PERMITTED: Please report
> postings of this document on public servers or websites to:
> docctrlag...@qualcomm.com.
>


I'm bemused to learn that someone with a law degree is sitting comfortably
in a corporate HQ thinking that forcing employees to paste that legal scare
blob on every pdf automagically puts the world+dog into compliance of their
imaginary restrictions.

FFS they paste the same legal scare paragraph even into datasheets that are
all over the web including distributors like digikey.

Case in point:
https://usermanual.wiki/Document/kba1807200050301qualcommandroidgoperformancetuningguide.1956213859/view

Insert Simpsons meme/gif
"Can you imagine a world without lawyers?"
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Re: Virtual Box not loading vboxdrv on Clean install of Fedora 31

[Fernando Cassia]

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 15:32 Bob Marcan  wrote:

>
>
> Is there any particular reason you don't use KVM?
> It is Linux native virtualization.
>


Look, we're here to make Virtualbox better. Not to encourage users to stop
using it.

Thanks for your understanding.

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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[Fernando Cassia]

This is much worse news for SUSE.
IBM and SUSE had some strong collaboration whereas IBM Cloud ran SUSE
Enterprise.

With RHEL becoming "IBM's own Linux" the incentive to offer SUSE is
suddenly gone.

FC

On Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 20:40 Patrick O'Callaghan 
wrote:

> I know this is strictly OT, but I suggest it's of some interest to this
> list:
>
>
> https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/28/ibm-to-acquire-red-hat-in-deal-valued-at-34-billion.html
>
> poc
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Re: Firefox Quantum and Firefox ESR on the same machine

[Fernando Cassia]

On 2/27/18, Robin Laing  wrote:

> Thanks for the quick response.

You're welcome.

> I would rather do it the other way and have the ESR version as the
> firefox-oldest.

But I'm not sure if the AppImage project maintainers build
Firefox-ESR... I haven't seen it on the repo.

> A separate profile is a great idea and I normally use different accounts
> for most of my stuff if possible.  Helps to keep my stuff separate and
> less finger issues.  :)
>
> Will try it tonight.
> Robin

There's some odd configuration in bintray that hosts the AppImage
binaries where there appears a : on the path, you have to remove it if
you want to download using wget...

Also, remember to sudo chmod a+x the .Appimage to make it executable.
You can then rename it to whatever you want...  move it around to some
dir in your $PATH

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Re: Firefox Quantum and Firefox ESR on the same machine

[Fernando Cassia]

On 2/27/18, Robin Laing  wrote:
> Hi, I need to use Java within Firefox for some network tools that
> require it.  Is there a way to use both Firefox Quantum and Firefox ESR
> on the same machine?
>
> I spend quite some time to get Quantum to work close to what I and I
> don't want to lose that.
>
> Robin

Yes, Robin,

What I do is download the AppImage build of Firefox.
https://dl.bintray.com/probono/AppImages/:Firefox-57.0.4.glibc2.3.4-x86_64.AppImage

And then rename it firefox-latest, put it somewhere on your $PATH

Then have the ESR version installed by your package manager

You might want to use separate user-profiles... eg make both launchers
use the -P command line option to invoke the Profile Manager window
upon launch. This allows you to have separate profiles for each and
avoid any conflict with addons or differences between versions...

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ESC/P thermal receipt printers and Linux...

[Fernando Cassia]

Running dmesg after plugging my POS-5890K labelled usb thermal receipt
printer, it identifies itself as
full-speed USB device number 9 using ehci-pci
idVendor=0416, idProduct=5011
Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
Product: POS58 USB Printer
Manufacturer: GD32 Microelectronics
SerialNumber: Printer

I found the hard way that these printers are not supported by CUPS by
default ... one has to go the extra length to either send esc/p codes
manually via your own app
http://kg4zqz.blogspot.com/2016/08/escposf-thermal-printer-filter-and.html

...or compile a driver from source, just like 20 years ago for some
printers... maybe 2018 will be the year of desktop linux *sarcasm*

I've tried this driver and it didn't work...
http://scruss.com/blog/2015/07/12/thermal-printer-driver-for-cups-linux-and-raspberry-pi-zj-58/

(the driver source was fetched by git from its current github repo, so
it's not out of date, it's in fact newer than the above blog post)

What gives more clues is the small piece of thermal paper that came
with the printer with a printout of its self-test (surely from
Windows).
It reads:

58-IV-U Thermal Printer
Version: 58.E-Z04-AA
Revised date: 06-Jan-2017
Command Standard: EPSON (ESC/POS)
Print mode: Normal mode & Hex Mode
Print method: Line Thermal
Print width: 384 dots/line
Print speed: 90 mm/s
Chinese Mode: NO
Print density: Level3
Current Codepage:0
Interface Type: USB
Current Character: Chinese (GB18030)
Alphanumeric
Code Page: 0: OEM437 (Std.Europe)
1: Katakana
2:OEM850 (Multilingual)
(…)
96:(Thai2)

I wonder why the CUPS folks have not released a generic “EPSON
ESC/POS” printer driver where the above parameters can be tweaked and
entered manually.

The driver mentioned above was compiled, and installed but didn’t
work. A sample print gave gibberish. A second text-only printing (by
clicking the CUPS “print self-test page” read “IF YOU CAN READ THIS
YOU’RE USING THE WRONG DRIVER FOR YOUR PRINTER”.

A crude bug-finding code it seems…

Any ideas before I head over to the CUPS maling list and pull my hair?

For instance, this blog post
https://mike42.me/blog/2015-03-getting-a-usb-receipt-printer-working-on-linux
talks about using "usblp" but commenters say "usblp" was deprecated
(already in 2015)

So what does replace usblp?

And look, here someone else also pulling his hair.
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/45926734/raw-cups-printer-how-to-avoid-filters-and-drops-by-usblp

FFS, a line printer was the first type of printer, back in the days of
RS232 ports. If we can't get a USB line printer detected and
configured and send ASCII to it, we're doomed. All because there's a
dozen poorly documented layers of software crap obscuring it...

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Re: What is the technical name for "mtp://" urls in Mate Desktop folder explorer (Caja, ex-Nautilus)

[Fernando Cassia]

On 11/24/17, Fernando Cassia <fcas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/23/17, Dave Stevens <g...@uniserve.com> wrote:
>> what about this:
>> https://www.howtogeek.com/192732/android-usb-connections-explained-mtp-ptp-and-usb-mass-storage/

This bash script that sets udev rules and automounts mtp devices also
looks promising... (FYI / FWIW / YMMV)

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/NicolasBernaerts/ubuntu-scripts/master/android/mtp-declare

Let's see if it's Ubuntu-specific...
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Re: What is the technical name for "mtp://" urls in Mate Desktop folder explorer (Caja, ex-Nautilus)

[Fernando Cassia]

On 11/23/17, Dave Stevens  wrote:
> what about this:
> https://www.howtogeek.com/192732/android-usb-connections-explained-mtp-ptp-and-usb-mass-storage/
>
> dave
>

Thanks Dave! Media Transfer Protocol huh. Missed that one.

The article is a bit inaccurate on this statement
"because the file system had to be accessible from Windows device, it
had to be formatted with the FAT file system. "

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What is the technical name for "mtp://" urls in Mate Desktop folder explorer (Caja, ex-Nautilus)

[Fernando Cassia]

I'm curious as to what is the technical name given to these
pseudo-URLs used by Caja (formerly Nautilus) on Mate Desktop...

When I plug USB flash drives / Thumb Drives / Pen Drives (use your
naming choice) I get those automagically mounted (automount).

But when I plug my Samsung Android smartphone I get this folder displayed...
mtp://[usb:001,009]/

Containing two pseudo-devices "Phone" and "SD Card".

All looks very nice, except that the devices are NOT mounted as
regular filesystem folders. I can only see them on the GUI through
Caja.

I want to assign the devices some name like /media/myuser/something.

How do I achieve this and what is the logic of mounting these devices
"GUI only" and unaccessible (afaik) from the command line?

I tried "mounting" these pseudo-devices like
mtp://[usb:001,009]/Phone
but BASH knows nothing about "mtp://" devices. This seems to be some
shitty Mate Desktop invention.

On my previous usage of Gnome 2 many moons ago (Sun JDS) this wasn't
the case, I remember USB mass storage devices magically appeared on
the desktop, and that's what I expect here too... but somewhere along
the long fork road, Mate Desktop developers came up with this mtp://
monstrosity.

Any clues? I tried complaining but I don't even know the name of these
damn mtp:// pseudo devices annoyance.

When was this introduced and who thought it was a great idea? I'd like
to know some real (person) names if possible to complain in person
about the hideous nature of this idea...

TIA...
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Re: pulseaudio MUST DIE!

[Fernando Cassia]

On 11/23/17, Samuel Sieb <sam...@sieb.net> wrote:
> On 11/23/2017 01:59 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
>> I ended up removing pulseaudio but couldn't get alsa to work either,
>> so I now have a sound-less system just like in my AMD 386 running OS/2
>> back in 1993 before the SoundBlaster 16 arrived.
>
> If ALSA isn't working, then PulseAudio won't either since it requires a
> functioning audio device.

Sound originally worked on the system's default analog audio output.
It was trying to get the audio-over-HDMI part working which messed up
the config.

And as far as I know, there isn't a "rebuild this system's audio
config" bash script.

Something like HP's HPLIP that scans the hardware at the lowest level
and begins configuring everything.

Not to mention the apparent lack of a set-default-audio-device.sh
script that allows you to effortlessly change the audio device when
there's more than one (eg the built-in-one + an external USB audio
device).

If there's something like that, I'd like to know about it. Perhaps
this could be a job for the LSB project?

Just thinking aloud...
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Re: pulseaudio MUST DIE!

[Fernando Cassia]

On 11/22/17, David A. De Graaf  wrote:

> Sound now works perfectly - just the way it should.
> I cannot discern any important loss of function from the deleted 34
> packages so far.  aplay, vlc, xmms, mythfrontend and even
> skypeforlinux all work fine with alsa.
>
> pulseaudio should just go away!

+1

Where do I sign?. Unfortunately I have a LinuxMINT system w AMD APU
and where audio over HDMI never actually worked.

I purchased three cheap USB Sound adapters in the hope of getting
audio out that way, but I don't get sound from those either.

I ended up removing pulseaudio but couldn't get alsa to work either,
so I now have a sound-less system just like in my AMD 386 running OS/2
back in 1993 before the SoundBlaster 16 arrived.

To paraphrase Midnight Oil lyrics... "Some say that's progrsss, I say
that's cruel..."

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Re: /boot on btrfs

[Fernando Cassia]

On 11/8/16, Mark Haney  wrote:
> I've been told repeatedly that BTRFS isn't production ready.  I've used it
> here on a handful of servers and had nothing but trouble with it,
> stability-wise.  I sure as hell wouldn't use it on /boot if I can't trust
> it for /home or /.

Name me one piece of software that is totally bug-free. H*ck, IBM's
JFS ate my data on OS/2 one day, on a "stable" piece of software.
Thanks to still-undiscovered APAR ...

http://comp.os.os2.bugs.narkive.com/ypcAmVsk/xr-c005-is-out
APAR=PJ29386 JFS_WRITE CAUSES TRAP 0003 DURING A DIRECTORY WRITE
APAR=PJ29609 EXCEPTION IN MODULE JFS - TRAP 0003 IN ***@4
ALSO FIXES SEVERAL HANG PROBLEMS
APAR=PJ29664 TRAP IN JFS FS32_OPENCREATE WHEN OPENING A FILE WITH
FILENAME THAT CONTAINS A WILDCARD.

JFS had its own share of issues on AIX, too
http://pages.citebite.com/u5o6e0o7trmi

That's what FUD is about, anyway. Repeat gossip in order to stop more
people to install a given piece of software, which in turn would have
helped to identify potential bugs and have them fixed faster. Aka "the
self-fulfilling prophecy".

But hey, Google must be full of dumb people...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DplcPrQjvA
http://marc.merlins.org/linux/talks/2015/Btrfs-LCA2015/Btrfs.pdf

Anyway... I've been told repeatedly that btrfs causes cpu overheating,
exhausts batteries and kills puppies.
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Re: /boot on btrfs

[Fernando Cassia]

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Matthew Miller 
wrote:

> That's absolutely not true. Fedora has wanted to use Btfs since... one
> of the Boston FUDCons in 2008 or 2009
>

Well, we disagree.

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Re: /boot on btrfs

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On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 7:30 PM, Fernando Cassia <fcas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> since 2009.


sorry, that should have read 2012. :)

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Re: /boot on btrfs

[Fernando Cassia]

On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Saša Janiška  wrote:

> At the moment I do use xfs/raid1, but considering to switch (back) to
> btrfs since simplifies setup having features of both lvm+raid.
>

Fedora/RedHat's stance on btfs is "passive agressive" (Not Invented Here
Syndrome).

I suggest you use SUSE or OpenSUSE where BTRFS is a first class citizen
since 2009.

Dec 2012: SUSE says btrfs is ready to rock
https://www.linux.com/news/suse-linux-says-btrfs-ready-rock

Facebook will soon roll out btfs on production systems
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=Facebook-More-Btrfs

Dec 2014: With btrfs the default on OpenSUSE will other distros follow suit?
http://linuxbsdos.com/2014/12/02/with-btrfs-the-default-on-opensuse-when-will-other-distros-follow-suit/

"Snapper, the excellent Btrfs management tool, is yet another of SUSE
Linux's best-kept secrets"
https://www.linux.com/news/snapper-suses-ultimate-btrfs-snapshot-manager

Don't get me wrong, there are many things to like about RedHat/Fedora, but
BTRFS support is not one of them.

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Re: how to login to the list

[Fernando Cassia]

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Antonio M 
wrote:

> reed means just a mistyping for readnot difficult to understand.
>
>
I was just pulling your leg, Antonio. Since you answered a bit in a
patronising tone I thought returning the kindness, but you know, all for
laughs and stuff.

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Re: how to login to the list

[Fernando Cassia]

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Antonio M 
wrote:

> I am happy that you don't need to reed archives
>

Whaat exactly do you mean by "reed" archives?

reed
*noun*
plural noun:

*reeds*
- *1*.
a tall, slender-leaved plant of the grass family that grows in water or on
marshy ground.

   - used in names of plants similar to reeds, growing in wet habitats,
   e.g., *bur reed*.
   - the tall, thin, straight stalk of a reed, used especially as material
   for thatching.
   - reeds growing in a mass or used as material, especially for making
   thatch or household items.
   "a reed curtain"
   - literary
   a rustic musical pipe made from a reed or from straw.

*2*.
a thing or person resembling or likened to a reed, in particular.

;-)


> Count to ten before writing
> Antonio Montagnani
>

The pot calling the kettle black?

This list runs on Mailman. Mailman as sucj -unless configured differently-
takes e-mail commands
via emails to the address {listname}-request

as specified in
http://www.list.org/mailman-member/node10.html

http://www.list.org/mailman-member/node41.html#a:commands
http://www.list.org/mailman-member/node42.html

You're welcome.
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Re: how to login to the list

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On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 12:56 PM, antonio montagnani <
antonio.montagn...@alice.it> wrote:

> I am receiving all posts, but if I try to log to the list and I say that I
> forgot the password, I get the answer that this e-mail is not connected to
> any account!!! That of course is not possible
>

This is a mailing list, not a web-based forum.
There is nothing to log-in to. To send messages you write a new e-mail to
the list address and everyone subscribed gets it into their inboxes.

Some services like Google Groups and Yahoo groups host discussion groups
which can be accessed like a traditional mailing list and also as a web
based forum (in other words reading and writing new messages from its web
interface).

But AFAIK this is a traditional style mailing list .
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Re: huge java speedup on arm32 via java-1.8.0-openjdk-aarch32

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On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 7:43 AM, Jiri Vanek  wrote:

> The luckier from you already tuned arm32 boards to not need java at all.


I despise this message.

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Re: Upgrade to F23 breaks Adobe Reader

[Fernando Cassia]

welll, Adobe Reader for Linux hasn't been supported for at least two
years...
https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1597058

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On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 8:04 AM, Stephen Davies  wrote:

> Following last night's upgrade to F23, Adobe Reader now gives:
>
> /opt/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread: error while loading
> shared libraries: libgdk_pixbuf_xlib-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object
> file: No such file or directory
>
> Needless to say, acroread worked perfectly before the upgrade but there is
> now no sign of a 32-bit libgdk_pixbuf_xlib-2.0.so (but there is a 64-bit
> version).
>
> Cheers,
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Re: Decent picture viewer

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On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Neal Becker  wrote:

> I don't know about decent picture viewers, but I have some experience with
> indecent picture viewers, if that helps :)
>

Remember this meme.
;)
http://img.memecdn.com/your-porn-collection_o_152855.jpg

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Re: Decent picture viewer

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On 8/17/16, Dev  wrote:
> You are asking alternative of default image viewer right?
> Check this project http://sachinchoolur.github.io/lightgallery-desktop/

It says "node.js" but my mind reads "ebola".

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Re: Decent picture viewer

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On 8/17/16, Fernando Cassia <fcas...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Anyway, Ristretto in Xfce is really not adequate, so I am asking really
>> nicely, please for recommendations.
>> What picture viewer do you use on F24?
>
> Irfanview under WINE.
>
> http://www.boekhoff.info/?pid=linux=install-irfan-view-on-linux

This post is newer and has more info -wrt winetricks, and 64bit-
https://techblog.jeppson.org/2016/05/use-irfanview-linux-wine/

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Re: Decent picture viewer

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On 8/16/16, Robert Moskowitz  wrote:
> For the longest time I used gthumb for picture viewer.  I even installed
> a gnome app on my Xfce desktop with Fedora21, but I did not like what
> they did to gthumb in Fedora22.  I almost shudder to think what it looks
> like in F24 (though I could try the liveCD and see...).
>
> Anyway, Ristretto in Xfce is really not adequate, so I am asking really
> nicely, please for recommendations.
>
> :)
>
> What picture viewer do you use on F24?

Irfanview under WINE.

http://www.boekhoff.info/?pid=linux=install-irfan-view-on-linux

I do not consider any "picture viewer" without print or crop functions
to be serious.
Most of the FOSS/Linux ones I've seen shipped by Linux distros are a
f*cking joke.

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Re: captive portal SSL certificate issue on F23

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On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 5:20 AM, Frederic Muller  wrote:

> I am on F23 at the moment


You dont say which browser you use, and Fedora flavor.
For instance, on Fedora XFCE, the default browser is Midori.
On more vanila Fedora versions, its usually Firefox

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Re: LiveUSB-Creator -

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On 6/26/16, Bob Goodwin  wrote:

> Yes, that looks like it works in an F-24/VM. It did not occur to me that
> "Custom OS" would get me back to a familiar process.
>

Surely a bug of the user, not the software. Surely the UX designers
thought it was all very intuitive, and that anyone could detect the
options hidden from view using the usual x-ray vision. *sarcasm*

;)

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Can Fedora act as a Sun Ray server?

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I'm curious if anyone here has experience setting up a server for Sun
Ray thin clients.

More specifically, I wonder if I could set up a PC running fedora as a
server for 2 or 3 Sun Ray
thin clients, specifically the Sun Ray 270

It includes an AMD CPU internally but I'm not sure what protocols does
it run (I'm guessing RDP), and since Sun Ray thin clients have been
discontinued by Oracle recently I'm not sure they'll be of any help if
I try to contact them...
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Re: Java Access in Firefox

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On 5/8/16, Stephen Morris  wrote:
> Hi,
>
>  I am currently using Firefox 49.0a1 on both Linux and Windows and
> on both systems Firefox will not activate Java, this has been the case
> for several versions of Firefox. I have to java plugin in the
> appropriate mozilla directories, but Firefox will still not use it. I
> have also checked about:config and there appears to be no java entries
> in there whatsoever.

Steve,

Two issues:
1. It is about:plugins you should check, not about:config
2. You say what version of firefox, but not what version of Java JRE
you're using.
OpenJDK 7? OpenJDK 8? Oracle Java 7? Oracle Java 8? what sub-version?
eg Java8u91 is the latest. !  Release date April 19, 2016.

This is important because Firefox now blocks plugins deemed insecure
(with open 0day bugs). So if you have an older Java installed (say
Java 7 update (latest -1)) then Firefox will indeed block it. The
latest version available usually runs just fine (unless you try to use
it on the window between the discovery of a 0day and when the next
update that plugs that hole is released).

Always check on https://java.com/en/download/ for clear info on what
thje latest release is and its release date. OpenJDK usually follows
suit and when there's a Java 7 or Java8 update the security fixes flow
back to the OpenJDK code base, and a corresponding OpenJDK 8uXX is
released

3. You might want to hurry, as the official plan going forward RSN is
to deprecate the plug-in (might come as soon as Java 9 / OpenJDK 9),
also known as  "no more browser applets". Java desktop apps and apps
launched vua Java Web Start wont be affected.

Hope this helps,
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Re: OT - but of relevance!! Secret Open Source - Is this legal

[Fernando Cassia]

On 5/2/16, jd1008  wrote:

>> How does that open up Linux to more viruses? You mean that crackers will
>> suddenly start to use exploiting bugs in Linux-software to break into
>> windows-boxes because a tiny amount of users will install this (after
>> all only command line software runs with the Linux-integration)?You mean
>> that crackers will suddenly start to use exploiting bugs in
>> Linux-software to break into windows-boxes because a tiny amount of
>> users will install this (after all only command line software runs with
>> the Linux-integration)?
>>
>> Niels
>> --
> If linux is the guest on windows,  there is no guarantee
> that the virus will not be able to infect the machine emulator.
> and whatever is running on top of emulator.

So will Fedora be removing WINE too? Because that allows win32 code to
run on Linux...
*sarcasm*

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Re: OT - but of relevance!! Secret Open Source - Is this legal

[Fernando Cassia]

On 4/22/16, jd1008  wrote:
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/04/21/microsoft_open_source_practice/
> Microsoft headhunters seek Linux folk for secret open source unit
> Recruiters target penguinistas for Azure sales joy

Since when Microsoft cares about the legality of its acts? They
certainly grew to its current position thinking Antutrust law did not
exist -or if existed, thinking it did not apply to them-.

*sarcasm*

Reminds me of
"The illegal we do immediately; the unconstitutional takes a little longer."
from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kissinger_cables

BTW: taking open source software and turning it into a "cloud service"
where you incidentally remove the ability of people using it modifying
-and even more important, even looking at the source code, effectively
turning former FOSS into a black box "service" is nothing new. H*ck,
Google even lifted entire portions of the OpenOffice.org spreadsheets
documentation and used it for the GDocs spreadsheets functions
"on-line manual". Good luck finding the GDocs source they run on their
servers... much less tweaking it

I've long said that Cloud Computing is "the fine art of separating
people from their software.

So, in this Brave New World of "SAAS" (software as a service) we risk
going full circle back to the days of the mainframe with dumb
terminals (which now will be a lot less dumb and browser-centered),
and the source code of the apps we run being locked and running inside
the "mainframe room" by the secretive IT guys. Now that room is "the
cloud".

Case in point: IBM had a couple decades ago, IBM Voicetype and then
IBM Viavoice dictation software. Now IBM offers you voice recognition
as a service on thier "cloud". They are free to bill you per usage (or
not) as they please, you can't even choose to run Viavoice on your PC
anymore (they long ago sold rights of the desktop version to their
main competitor, Nuance, so that dead product has no future or further
development, it's their cloud based service what they're trumpeting
now).

Yes, I know the concept of the private cloud and that some orgs will
prefer to have the source of what they run insde their own little
clouds (20 yrs ago it was called "the intranet" and client-server
instead of browser->SAAS), but that's not what the big corps are
aiming at. They are aiming at turning APIs into "SAAS APIs". Whereas
the cloud only offers you an entry point and spits back the
data/result you want, provided you provide your developer ID key at
the beginning of the transaction. Congratulations, you've just handled
over the PIN of your bank account and enslaved yourself in the
process.

But, gee, fighting this is not worth it. It's a lost battle. Today's
20-something and newer generations just love to own nothing and pay
thru the nose for "subscriptions" to everything,from digital radio to
music streaming services which were previously "free" to listen
forever if you purchased physical media or a FM receiver.

Back to the point, yes, it is legal. Convenient? maybe, initially.
Desirable, hell no, IMHO.

But WTF do I know...
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Re: How to rip a DVD?

[Fernando Cassia]

On 4/1/16, Thomas Cameron  wrote:

> I've always used handbrake to rip an mp4 file for this, but this
> particular DVD seems to be copy protected somehow. It's "From Up On
> Poppy Hill," from Studio Ghibli.

Just checked this title on amazon.com and I see it's available in a
"Blu Ray / DVD Combo pack".

If you have a BluRay / DVD reader in your machine, and if per chance
you bought this dual-format pack, just make sure you're attempting to
rip the DVD version and not the BluRay.

The DVD format has always been easier to "rip". (And btw: since this
movie is animation, any difference in image quality will be almost
negligible).

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Re: How to rip a DVD?

[Fernando Cassia]

On 4/1/16, François Patte  wrote:

> The problem is that video dvd that you can buy are double layer dvd
> (about 9Gb) and the RW dvd are only 4.7 Gb so you need to compress the
> data ripped from the video dvd. k9copy does the job.

There's double-layer recordable DVD media since ages
FYI http://amzn.to/1MYzhdr

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Re: howto setup docker storage on btrfs f23?

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On 3/18/16, Mark Haney  wrote:
> IIRC, wasn't Ted Ts'o working with RH on BTRFS when it was being
> developed?  Of course, I've slept since then, but I'm pretty sure I read
> some articles discussing that collaboration.

If there was a political will to make BTRFS a first class citizen on
Fedora, the status wouldn't be as it is today.

From:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Btrfs#Btrfs_support_in_Fedora
---
 Btrfs support in Fedora

Btrfs has been available for testing as early as Fedora 11 but
required a special boot parameter to be passed to Anaconda during
installation.
In Fedora 15 it is available without a special boot parameter.
  >>  As of Fedora 16 it is slated to be the default filesystem. <<
--
[insert sarcastic laugh]

Again, look at this thread
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2015-June/211673.html

"was told there are no plans to make it the default yet."

June 2015. That takes me back to my original reply: want BTRFS, use
SUSE or OpenSUSE.
Fedora devs just drag their feet and come up with excuses as to why
the bugs that are still there are not fixed like other distros did,
for proper BTRFS integration...

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Re: howto setup docker storage on btrfs f23?

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Fedrora is rather btrfs-hostile. (you know "not invented here syndrome").
If you want to use btrfs I'd suggest you use SUSE where it is supported.

Dec 2012: SUSE says BTRFS is ready to rock
https://www.linux.com/news/enterprise/systems-management/677226-suse-linux-says-btrfs-is-ready-to-rock

November 2014: OpenSUSE w BTRFS as default filesystem
https://news.opensuse.org/2014/11/12/what-to-expect-from-btrfs-on-opensuse-13-2/

I mean, just look at this bug, FFS...
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=864198

It is quite clear devs have been dragging their feet all this time...
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On 3/18/16, Neal Becker  wrote:
> Neal Becker wrote:
>
>> My root (and only) FS is btrfs.
>>  sudo systemctl status docker
>>   docker.service - Docker Application Container Engine
>>Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/docker.service; disabled;
>>vendor
>> preset: disabled)
>>Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Fri 2016-03-18 07:18:31 EDT;
>>18s
>> ago
>>  Docs: http://docs.docker.com
>>   Process: 19909 ExecStart=/usr/bin/docker daemon $OPTIONS
>> $DOCKER_STORAGE_OPTIONS $DOCKER_NETWORK_OPTIONS $INSECURE_REGISTRY
>> (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE)
>>  Main PID: 19909 (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE)
>>
>> What do I need to start docker on btrfs on f23?
>>
>
> It appears that editing /etc/sysconfig/docker:
> OPTIONS='--storage-driver=btrfs --log-driver=journald'
>
> Has at least let docker start and run 'hello world'
>
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Re: VLC VideoLAN

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On 2/19/16, Angelo Moreschini  wrote:
> I installed VLC on my computer (fedora 21) with the purpose to play .VOB
> files.
>
> Actually I can run LVL on the line command, but I am not able to do
> anything in this way...  The help command  give me this output :

I am curious as to why you seem to call VLC in interactive mode
instead of passing the file name as a parameter.

vlc whateverfile works for me

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Re: Google messed up :)

[Fernando Cassia]

On 2/15/16, Tim  wrote:

> What's more mind-boggling is why those (in Google) who created the
> problem haven't pulled their fingers out and fixed it.  It's not a new
> problem, the fault is entirely theirs, and they should know better.
> Don't make the users jump through hoops to fix things that you've
> broken.

Decades ago when discussing why IBM divisions couldnt get behind their
own OS (OS/2 Warp) it was said that at a giant corp like Big Blue "the
right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing".

That applies to all big corps, and in the case of Google, I suspect
there must be a total disconnect between the development team and the
outsourced keyboard punchers answering questions on "web forums".

What someone should do is look up what's the name of the Google Earth
product manager, find him on Linkedin, and publiucly shame him. I mean
surely he's getting paid really well for managing a product he's
clearly not managing or cariung about very well.

I mean, if I had "Google Earth product manager @ Google" the least I'd
do is ask for one machine with every OS suported, install "my product"
on all of 'em and use them on a daily basis to make sure users are
getting a consistent experience, then regularly roam the web support
forums and see what the feedback about the product is, then discuss
problems reported there with the devs.

That's clearly NOT happening.

I think by now Google is hopelessly in the "too big to fail" category.
I mean, I just got a tiny ARM netbook that comes preloaded with
Android Kitkat. Google Maps was part of the apps bundle. On the first
update I let Google Play install, the Maps app became unusable.

Something surely having to do with a screen size adjustement
setting... because as soon as the app is launched the screen enters a
resizing frenzy o a loop,and you can't exit it. You have to turn off
the system and reboot. Great work, Google, it shows your app testing
is reaching new world records...
;)

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Re: mpg123 not included, why?

[Fernando Cassia]

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Michael Schwendt 
wrote:

> Which would get funny, if you wanted to seek back and forth in a large
> chunk of data fed to a program via stdin, such as when searching for ID3
> tags in an MP3 file.
>

Which gets back to my point, that doesn't prevent big media players from
implementing their own codecs, internally.

Does Gnome/Nautilus mean that there is no place for the command line "tar"
command? or 'unzip' ?

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Re: mpg123 not included, why?

[Fernando Cassia]

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Michael Schwendt 
wrote:

> such as when searching for ID3
> tags in an MP3 file.
>

You could also use gnu 'tail' part of gnu textutils -I believe it's now
called coreutils-, to get the last 'n'  bytes of a file, and there's your
ID3 info...

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'urlsnarf' sniffer fails with "undefined symbol: ip_fast_csum"

[Fernando Cassia]

32-bit F23 Mate spin, here

I install the dsniff package to use urlsnarf...

# dnf install dsniff

Last metadata expiration check performed 0:35:54 ago on Tue Jan 12 08:24:21
2016.
Dependencies resolved.

 Package  Arch  Version   Repository
Size

Installing:
 dsniff   i686  2.4-0.20.b1.fc23  fedora
134 k
 libnet   i686  1.1.6-10.fc23 fedora
65 k
 libnids  i686  1.24-10.fc23  fedora
43 k

Transaction Summary

Install  3 Packages

Total download size: 243 k
Installed size: 570 k
Is this ok [y/N]: y
Downloading Packages:
(1/3): libnids-1.24-10.fc23.i686.rpm 32 kB/s |  43 kB
00:01
(2/3): libnet-1.1.6-10.fc23.i686.rpm 49 kB/s |  65 kB
00:01
(3/3): dsniff-2.4-0.20.b1.fc23.i686.rpm  81 kB/s | 134 kB
00:01

Total72 kB/s | 243 kB
00:03
Running transaction check
Transaction check succeeded.
Running transaction test
Transaction test succeeded.
Running transaction
  Installing  : libnet-1.1.6-10.fc23.i686
1/3
  Installing  : libnids-1.24-10.fc23.i686
2/3
  Installing  : dsniff-2.4-0.20.b1.fc23.i686
3/3
  Verifying   : dsniff-2.4-0.20.b1.fc23.i686
1/3
  Verifying   : libnet-1.1.6-10.fc23.i686
2/3
  Verifying   : libnids-1.24-10.fc23.i686
3/3

Installed:
  dsniff.i686 2.4-0.20.b1.fc23 libnet.i686
1.1.6-10.fc23
  libnids.i686 1.24-10.fc23

Complete!
[root@localhost]#

So I launch it
# urlsnarf
urlsnarf: listening on wlp2s0 [tcp port 80 or port 8080 or port 3128]

All is well until I go to Firefox 41 and enter any url, then urlsnarf
panics and ends.

urlsnarf: symbol lookup error: /lib/libnids.so.1.24: undefined symbol:
ip_fast_csum
[root@localhost]#

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Re: mpg123 not included, why?

[Fernando Cassia]

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Ian Malone  wrote:

> If you want to do that
> you have to cheat and cache everything before you start playback. Or,
> in more general terms, doing anything non-linear with multimedia
> information is very difficult to handle in a streamed manner
>

No. I never said I wanted to "stream" anything. I wanted to play a local
mp3 file sitting on my hard drive, to the default speakers. Mpg123 serves
that purpose.
And as it fits the bill of "the unix way" (a simle, self-contained tool
doing a single thing and doing it efficiently),IMHO it should be part of
the standard toolset. That was my reasoning and I stick with that.

Now, if we drift the topic to "how to do a mp3 player" I bet I could design
a player using mpg123 and standard command line gnu tools that performs
much faster than one relying on the tons of smegma that come along
Gstreamer + GUI toolkits that Gnome/KDE multimedia APIs.

What you call "cheating" (pre-loading the id3 info before loading every
song instead of loading the whole file into ram, seeking to the end, and
extracting the id3 info as each file is played) is actually efficient
design, in my book.

Btw: id3 info could be obtained by using the http feature of requesting
part of a file(*), by first obtaining the file size, closing the
connection, then requesting the last "x" bytes (total file size - id3),
that way you get your Id3 over "streaming" before requesting the whole
file. :)

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http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec14.html


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Re: 'urlsnarf' sniffer fails with "undefined symbol: ip_fast_csum"

[Fernando Cassia]

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 4:36 PM, stan  wrote:

>
> Looks like a bug.  I think something in the library has changed.  Your
> best bet is to open a bugzilla at
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/
> for libnids.  There are no open tickets for libnids right now, so no
> one else has reported this error.  None for urlsnarf either.


Thanks! I will!

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Re: mpg123 not included, why?

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On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Ian Malone  wrote:

> Of course you can have single tools that act on files to get well
> defined information. But while it's a useful model it doesn't work
> well in all situations.
>

All I wanted was mpg123 so I could play a darn mp3 file. ;)
KDE/Gnome wizards can code their brains out until it required a 4-core 4Ghz
CPU to play a mp3 file, but I'd stick with mpg123 which worked well since
the days of the AMD K6-III 450 Mhz ;)

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Re: mpg123 not included, why?

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On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Ian Malone  wrote:

> Why are we on this bizarre sidetrack
> about whether you can use tail to get id3 information?
>

I don't know. ;)
You implied that the Unix way was not appropiate for multimedia content, I
said you could use text mode utils just fine, and that finding the id3 info
could still be done by a text-mode self-contained player beforehand, by
calling other tools that extracted such info and displayed it, before even
loading the mp3 file for playback.

That's it.

While interesting as a technical/philosophical discussion, I think it's
time to put this thread to rest, as far as I'm concerned. Thanks to all who
contibuted. :)

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Re: mpg123 not included, why?

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On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Ian Malone  wrote:

> > There's some logic to that, but all some illogic.  Would you have yet
> > another binary program to play wav files, another for oggs, another for
> > flac, and have to call the right one for each audio file you want to
> > play?  Or would you use the one player for any type of audio file, and
> > let it make use of the appropriate codec for the file?


Well, "the Unix way" is you have programs that send everything to standard
output, then redirect as needed by other apps.

Of course that doesn't prevent other, "big" players like VLC implementing
their own codecs, internally, if devs feels the need or competent enought
to maintain them...

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Re: mpg123 not included, why?

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On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Tim  wrote:

>
> That can't be the only place they're put.


The ID3 info is put at the end of MP3 files, that is per design. (Actually,
a clever hack, so mp3 player that don't know anything about id3 could still
play the files).

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Re: mpg123 not included, why?

[Fernando Cassia]

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Ian Malone  wrote:

>
>
> You are proposing having an http server in the way as *simpler*?
> Anyway, again, id3 tag lengths are not fixed.


don't twist my words, Ian.

I introduced a web server into the argument that you can't get id3 tags
with a single tool, and you used the word "stream" by which I thought you
mean music streaming from a web site (web server).

So you CAN extract id3 data from mp3 files, whether locally (by using tail
or id3tool or anything else) before loading the entire file. That was my
point.

And most MP3 files have ID3v1, not id3v2. ID3 v1 is fixed length @ 128
bytes.

http://id3.org/ID3v1

ID3v2, on the other hand, is added at the start of the file. So you can
check the last 128 bytes of the file to see if it's got ID3v1, and if not,
check for ID3v2 at the start...

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Re: mpg123 not included, why?

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On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Michael Schwendt 
wrote:

> And a "dnf install gstreamer1-plugins\*" here wants to install
> "35 Packages", while some dependencies probably are installed already.
>

That's why I mentioned mpg123 earlier in the thread. Most mp3 players in
the Linux world require a mess of dependencies.

Call me old fashioned, but I prefer a static, single binary to perform a
simple task like playing a mp3 file - you know, the Unix way, do one thing
and do it self-cointained.

When I've the time, I''ll put up a site just to provide statically linked
builds of tools like mpg123 (if needed, I'm not sure it needs any
dependencies or external libs), one I can run even while booting from a
LiveCD without messing with dnf or having to touch the dnf databases
(which, as you know, is time consuming on the initial run).

The more I think it, the more sense http://sta.li/ makes. :-p
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Re: mpg123 not included, why?

[Fernando Cassia]

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Sylvia Sánchez  wrote:

> None.  I have them enabled myself not a problem.  But maybe you'd like
> to take a look at this article:
> https://crossingtheair.wordpress.com/2015/12/23/installing-codecs-and-more/
> Hope this is useful!
>

Thanks Stlv,

And everyone else who replied, for that matter. I have used "Fedy-installer"
in the past https://github.com/folkswithhats/fedy which serves the purpose
as well.

I was just interested to know why mp3 decoders (not encoders which I know
are more troublesome and almost no distro includes), were not included in
the main Fedora repos. Some other list members answered with the "legal
angle" of that decision. That's what I was after.

It's good to know  that after 2017 there'll be likely no barriers to
include mp3 decoders in FOSS apps..

Cheers,
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Re: mpg123 not included, why?

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On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 7:47 AM, Sylvia Sánchez  wrote:

> Manjaro includes decoders. But it's Europe based.


Thanks again Sylv. As does Debian, which I mentioned in my initial message.
:)

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Re: mpg123 not included, why?

[Fernando Cassia]

On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 7:47 AM, Sylvia Sánchez  wrote:

> Manjaro includes decoders. But it's Europe based.


sorry, forgot the link on my previous email.
https://packages.debian.org/jessie/libmad0

(just for reference, I'm not trying to make any point here, so no reply is
needed).

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mpg123 not included, why?

[Fernando Cassia]

#dnf install mpg123
"No package mpg123 available"

Why is this? I thought mp3 DECODING was safe to distribute, as does Debian
https://packages.debian.org/jessie/xmms2-plugin-mad

and that only MP3 *encoding* was actively pursued by the Fraunhoffer
Insitute and assorted MP3 cartels.
according to this, Debian has been distributing mp3 decoding libs for over
10 years...
https://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/07/msg00082.html

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Miracast support still broken in Fedora? or is there hope?

[Fernando Cassia]

Almost a year ago (11 months), the developer of Miracleclast, which
implements Miracast [1] support for Linux, wrote:

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2015-February/458142.html

On 02.02.2015 19:58, David Herrmann wrote:
>* [snip]
*>* As people continuously ask me about this, I'll just try to answer it
*>* on the public ML:
*> >* To make Miracast work, we need access to a Wifi P2P API. The kernel
*>* implements Wifi P2P and wpa_supplicant provides access to it via it's
*>* ctrl-interface (and I think recently even gained a dbus API). In
*>* MiracleCast I wrote a miracle-wifid daemon that wraps wpa_supplicant
*>* and provides P2P to MircaleCast. However, this does not work well in
*>* parallel to NetworkManager/wicd/connman/... running. You really cannot
*>



* run wpa_supplicant multiple times on the same interface. but the key
is this:*>* **HENCE MiracleCast development is currently stalled until
the different
*>
* network-managers provide a P2P API***

The NetworkManager devs must have had then 11 months from this message
to implement what was needed for Miraclecast to work.


*Now, on CES2016 Dell has announced its monitors with MiracleCast
support built-in [2]*


*so there's not even a need to buy a $18 AnyCast HDMI dongle [3]
anymore and meaning that Anycast is here to stay and will become
evermore important...*


*Given all this, ARE WE THERE YET? has been NetworkManager been fixed
to make MiracleCast a*


*first-class citizen on Fedora Linux?. Any plans to add MiracleCast to
the distro? *


*Is anyone even thinking about these issues? why not?*


*My Windows 8.1 tablet handles Miracast displays seamlessly, I just go
to the windows settings -> display and an option appears dubbed
"connect to wireless display". 10 seconds later mi main display is
mirrored on the big screen TV. Lovely.*


*Now re-reading the above thread and seeing what a mess this is in
Linux, it really makes my blood boil, because things shouldn't be like
this.*


*Is there hope? please tell me there's already someone working on this...*


*FC*



*[1] Miracast definition
(wikipedia)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracast
*

*[2] *Dell Miracast Wireless Monitors Unveiled At CES 2016



*http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/dell-miracast-wireless-monitors-unveiled-at-ces-2016-07-01-2016/
[3]
*


*AnyCast M2 Plus Mini Wi-Fi Display TV Dongle Receiver 1080P -
$19http://goo.gl/uxaf65 *

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Re: mpg123 not included, why?

[Fernando Cassia]

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 7:12 AM, Ed Greshko  wrote:

> mpg123 is available from the rpmfusion repos.


Thanks Ed!

Is there any side-effect from enabling the rpmfusion repos?
Conflict with system libs?

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Re: The continuous crippling of Fedora LiveCDs by removing usefull stuff for no apparent reason

[Fernando Cassia]

On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Sylvia Sánchez 
wrote:

> Agree with Chris.
> Cheers,
> Sylvia
>

Thanks for letting us know your thoughts, Sylv.

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Re: The continuous crippling of Fedora LiveCDs by removing usefull stuff for no apparent reason

[Fernando Cassia]

On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 6:35 AM, Ian Malone  wrote:

> It's neither of these,
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB#Data_persistence
>
> 'currently implemented (as a Device-mapper copy-on-write snapshot),
> every single change to it (writes AND deletes) subtracts from its free
> space, so it will eventually be "used up"'
>

It confirms what I said: it's broken. How about changing the LiveCD creator
to allow for "persistent storage" partition that is formatted with F2FS?

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In Firefox 41.0.1 / Fedora 23 Mate-Compiz, mouse pointer doesn't change to magnifying glass

[Fernando Cassia]

Hi there,

Can anyone else confirm this bug?. In Fedora 23 Mate-Compiz, when using FF
41.0.1 to view a JPEG file that has been scaled down automatically, when
positioning the mouse cursor over the image, on the Windows platform the
mouse cursor changes to a magnifying glass to show the user that the image
can be zoomed in.

In this linux, it doesn't.

Can someone else confirm so I can file a bug report if not already reported?

Thanks!
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Re: Virtualbox -

[Fernando Cassia]

On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 7:37 AM, Bob Goodwin 
wrote:

> Fedora21 boots and runs as expected. the others boot and run with a text
> screen but startx reports "command not found" and a ping to other than
> localhost, reports network unreachable.
>
> What am I missing?
>
> Bob
>

Bob,

What Virtualbox release are you using?. An updated Virtualbox has been
released (5.0.12) last Friday if I remember correctly, it contains fixes
for running the latest versions fo RHEL (7.2).

Maybe indirectly it will also help with CentOS.
I'm just shooting in the dark here as you didn't provide specifics about
your VBox version or Linux distros'  versions.

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Re: The continuous crippling of Fedora LiveCDs by removing usefull stuff for no apparent reason

[Fernando Cassia]

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Matthew Miller 
wrote:

>
> Well, I admit to being a little hostile to _this_ kind of complaint,
> which is pretty hard to even respond to in a helpful way because it's
> so full of unsubstantiated aggressive statements. (Starting right in
> the subject.)
>
> If you'd start instead with "Hey, people are mostly putting these on
> bigger USB drives these days, so could we raise the size limit and
> include more useful stuff"?, you _might_ get better results.


Hi Matthew,

I must learn to write rants in a more constructive style, I give you that
point.
I do in in the spirit that some day developers learn to ask users before
making drastic changes like removing stuff.

In my view, every such change should first ask two questions:
-What will break by removing this stuff?
-Are we annoying users by removing this?
-Have we asked them for feedback?.

My view from this side is that often the devs just do the changes on their
small echo chamber and don't even consider the above points.

:-[
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The continuous crippling of Fedora LiveCDs by removing usefull stuff for no apparent reason

[Fernando Cassia]

Once upon a time, I believe it was Fedora 17 or Fedora 19, I was a happy
camper.

I used to download a Fedora LiveCD, and it included everything I needed for
functional work on a otherwise Windows netbook. I just booted off the USB
Flash Drive, and off I went to do my daily online chores like E-Mail,
twitter, and ocassional image editing via my favorite small image editor
(Java Image Editor).

That was because OpenJDK 7 was included in the LiveCD image.

This served multiple purposes:
1. Leaving the Windows partition unchanged
2. Not losing space on the small HDD with a Linux install
3. Not leaving my files behind on the system
4. Making an effort to put my data files on the Cloud or LAN network
attached storage, NOT the individual system's HDD.

Suddenly (I don't remember which release, but you can check the mailing
list archives for my rant on the matter) OpenJDK binaries were removed from
the live CD so I could no longer "java -jar JavaImageEditor.jar" nor could
I use JNLP to launch desktop Java apps.

I came to the list at the time to rant, and if I remember correctly the
answer was that OpenJDK was removed from the LiveCD due to space
constraints, and that it was a real challenge to keep everything to still
fit into a CD image.

Well, nowadays the Fedora 23 Mate-Compiz LiveCD I'm using is well above the
700MB CD-R limit, and I'm saving the LiveCD image to a 4GB pen drive
anyway, yet not only OpenJDK 7 is not there -it should be OpenJDK 8 by now,
by the way-, but also other useful stuff -native Linux binaries, command
line utils that are a must-have- are also removed for no apparent reason.

Case in point: I booted off the LiveCD the other day needing to do a quick
change to a LAN router I have at home, and which provides access to the LAN
side via TELNET. Well, guess what? there's no telnet in the LiveCD. But it
is in the repos. I did a yum install telnet and found it only uses 76
kbytes. So telnet is not there to save 76 kbytes off the livecd image size.
Wow.

But the plot tickens. I wanted to download a mirrorr of a subsection of a
web site to another usb flash drive using wget, using the wget -m -np -k -c
syntax I know and love, and found  WGET is not there either.

Since I have learned that the Fedora community is quite hostile to any kind
of complaint ("it's as-is because we-know-better and
you-re-surely-doing-things-wrong" or
"why-do-you-want-to-do-that-in-the-first-place" or
"why-dont-you-just-install-the-full-fedora-instead-of-booting-off-a-LiveCD-from-a-Flash-Drive"),
my hopes of this being "fixed" (openJDK being reinstated into the LiveCD
image, along with telnet and wget), I think I'll end up taking things into
my own hands and "fixing" the LiveCD images.

So, is there an up-to-date tutorial out there on how to add stuff from the
repos of a Fedora distro repos into the LiveCD image so the packages are
available when LiveCD boots?

Thanks in advance.
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Re: The continuous crippling of Fedora LiveCDs by removing usefull stuff for no apparent reason

[Fernando Cassia]

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Rick Stevens  wrote:

> I don't know about the LiveCD images, but F2FS is part of the kernel and
> has been for quite a while. I'm running F22 and it's in there:
>
> [root@prophead ~]# ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/fs | grep f2fs
> f2fs
>

If I remember correctly, Anaconda didnt support installing to F2FS
partitions - or partitioning F2FS in the first place.

But that must have been at around F21 or F22. Will have to check now...

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Re: The continuous crippling of Fedora LiveCDs by removing usefull stuff for no apparent reason

[Fernando Cassia]

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Matthew Miller 
wrote:

>
> On the other hand, you might _not_, because your use case for the live
> USB is not necessarily everyone's, and in fact it certainly is not the
> main reason we produce these images today.


The issue will go away the day I can boot a LiveCD image and install Fedora
on another USB flash drive using Samsung F2FS. But as far as I know that is
still way off, even Ubuntu still doesn't support it, and that is a real
pity because F2FS has been out for the last three years or more.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1261175

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Re: The continuous crippling of Fedora LiveCDs by removing usefull stuff for no apparent reason

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On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Tom Horsley  wrote:

> No tutorial, but if you use the liveusb-creator to transfer the
> livecd image to a usb stick, it has an option to create persistent
> storage, then when you boot the usb stick the first time,
> you just "dnf install" whatever is missing, and it hangs around.
>

Hi Tom,

Thanks for the reply. I choose to stop using so-called "persistent storage"
because it eventually goes FUBAR. Something about the loop device if I
remember correctly. The issue being that all is well until you fill up all
available storage space. Then the "persistent storage" partition becomes
"damaged" and unmountable. I lost quite a few folders full of work that
way, that's when I decided that was useless.

In fact if you google "loopback device persistent storage" and have
autocomplete enabled, the next word that comes up after you type a space is
"corrupted".

http://askubuntu.com/questions/18466/how-can-i-repair-casper-rw-file-system-file-in-liveusb

Maybe it'd be time for the so-called "persistent storage" to be F2FS based
rather than loopback?

Now *there's* an idea!
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Re: The continuous crippling of Fedora LiveCDs by removing usefull stuff for no apparent reason

[Fernando Cassia]

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Fernando Cassia <fcas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> If I remember correctly, Anaconda didnt support installing to F2FS
> partitions - or partitioning F2FS in the first place.


This was my exchange, two years ago.
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-October/441707.html

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Re: The continuous crippling of Fedora LiveCDs by removing usefull stuff for no apparent reason

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On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Sylvia Sánchez  wrote:

> Well, before writing a rant you should check that your facts are up to
> date. You see, F2FS is supported and you didn't know.
>

F2FS is supported in the kernel. Is is supported by Anaconda as an
installation target/option?

My rant, if you re-read it, was about the removal of binaries that were
previously included, from the LiveCD.

Please re-read it. Thanks.
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Re: The continuous crippling of Fedora LiveCDs by removing usefull stuff for no apparent reason

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On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Antonio Olivares 
wrote:

>
> A bigger Specialized spin called Scientific has OpenJDK :)
> Since nowadays we still need a DVD since nothing fits on a CD anymore :(
>
> https://labs.fedoraproject.org/en/scientific/
>
> It should contain JAVA as it is listed here:
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Scientific_Packages_List


Thanks Antonio.

Will check it out. Wasn't aware of such Scientific spin. Does the "labs"
subdomain mean it is somewhat different from other Fedora respins?

Since I run this on a netbook with low resources (Intel Atom, 32-bit CPU,
only 2 GB RAM), I'd prefer if I could get openJDK retrofitted into the
somewhat lightweight Mate-Compiz spin. (I tried Fedora XFCE but hate its
browser, Midori).

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Re: Why was YUM removed

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On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Andrew Haley  wrote:

> It's a terrible name for anyone who knows motor racing: it indicates
> a total failure.
>


What is wrong with the Linux world that prevents it from using human
readable package names that indicate its FUNCTION?

Fedora-package-manager was not cool? Too obscure?
It can then provide a "fpm" alias via the alias shell function, that calls
the longname version. What would be wrong with that?

And for compatibility reasons, aliases could be provided to the olver
package names (provided the basic syntax is unchanged wrt command line
parameters).

Is there any conscious effor to prevent modern Linux from using Human
Readable Package Names?  -lets call such effort  *HuRePaN*
;)

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Re: How can Fedora determine the maximum speed of network computer cards?

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On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Paul Smith  wrote:

> Is there something in Fedora that I might use to determine the maximum
> speed the network card of my computer can attain on Internet?
>

Your Ethernet card will operate allways at its maximum speed (100Mbps if
Fast Ethernet or 1000 Mbps if Gigabit Ethernet with Cat5e or Cat6 cable),
until it reaches your Moderm/Router that connects you to your ISP, there is
the bottleneck, from your Modem/Router to "the cloud".

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Re: Jitsi - Open Source Video Calls and Chat, Web Conferences, Desktop Sharing, Secure communications, Multi Platform, 32 64 bit version

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On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 5:07 AM, Dario Lesca d.le...@solinos.it wrote:
 And when it's iconed, click or right click on the tray icon or in overview 
 mode do nothings

 ... until HTML5 UI appears. :)
 What does this mean?

Jitsi has got a users mailing list.
I suggest you guys take your support questions there.

The developers are friendly.

http://lists.jitsi.org/mailman/listinfo/users

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Re: Samsung ML-2165W printer help

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On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Mike Wright mike.wri...@mailinator.com wrote:
 Note: there is no such named package and their is neither a file named
 cdroot nor one named autorun.

Check this list archives, I remember ranting against this printer and
Samsung´s packaging of its linux drivers.
As far as I remember, drivers were distributed as a giant .tar.gz
binary blob and you must then unpack and run an installer that failed
to do its job properly.

If this isn't the guy to blame, then probably he knows who's
responsible for the Linux driver packaging
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/muthukumar-subramanian/1b/410/a96

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Re: Samsung ML-2165W printer help

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On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote:

 Check this list archives, I remember ranting against this printer and
 Samsung´s packaging of its linux drivers.

The thread subject line was : Samsung laser drivers for Linux - thinking aloud

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-February/431096.html
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Re: Pale moon, was Re: replacement for seamonkey?

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On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 6:23 AM, Paul Cartwright pbcartwri...@gmail.comwrote:

 I am beginning to like Pale moon.. pulled in all my Chrome bookmarks (
 awesome, automatic!), and it is VERY snappy!


What's the track record of this fork for security fixes?
Do they patch in hours, days or weeks after a 0day is discovered for FF?

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Re: Pale moon, was Re: replacement for seamonkey?

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On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Paul Cartwright pbcartwri...@gmail.comwrote:

 Absolutely! Pale Moon is built from the Firefox release source code that
 has a large community of developers and security-aware people, next to
 having seen over a decade of development by now. It includes, among other
 things, protection against dangerous add-ons, scam sites, automatic
 checking for updates of add-ons, anti-phishing, anti-malware, password
 protection (master password), website-identity information in the address
 bar, and private browsing.


Everything quoted above are Firefox features. Being a fork, it's obvious
that PMoon has them too.
However I'd like to see how fast does Palemoon get build when a 0day
vulnerability arises, vs the Firefox bugfix release for the same bug. That
is the measure...

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Re: replacement for seamonkey?

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On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 2:57 AM, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote:

 are we going to need a replacement for seamonkey which comes without
 restrictions management, and will there be one in Fedora?


Take your concerns to the Seamonkey Council
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/about#contact

I personally use Seamonkey suite and prefer it to Firefox. But while I have
no issues with DRM, maybe the SM devs can put the DRM bits in an optional
package or at least make it user-configurable to disable the feature.

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Re: replacement for seamonkey?

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On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Fred Smith
fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.uswrote:

 Seamonkey is the name given to the old Mozilla browser/email/kitchen-sink
 suite that was developed by Mozilla prior to firefox. (Not the
 older/original
 Netscape.


Yes Seamonkey suite was born first as Mozilla. But it isn't old. I mean,
it incoporates the latest technologies and Firefox Gecko engine

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Re: Gnome weather extension as malware?

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On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 12:26 AM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote:

 Unless you're actually in the airport control tower, or flying a plane,
 I doubt you need to keep updating a weather report that often.


LOL your comment made my day. Well said. :)

Although by reading some other mailing lists, I could quickly conclude that
some people are not flying planes but are still
high above the ground...
;-)

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Re: Small Home server - HDD/SDD

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On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Javier Perez pepeb...@gmail.com wrote:
 1. I could use ext4 on all HDDs eventually. But I wonder, can I use ZFS?
 Specially I would like to have the ability to expand the single HDD into a
 Raid once I get the second HDD as painlessly as possible. If I use ext4 I
 guess I will have to backup/create raid system/reformat/restore the data. I
 have the idea that zfs only needs to be aware that there is a new drive and
 it will expand the filesystem accordingly. I'd rather not use LVM. I was
 burned by it once.

Or, you can use BTRFS, which gives you all the advantages of LVM without LVM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxWuaozpe2I

Dec 2012
SUSE Enterprise considers BTRFS production-ready
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTI0Nzc

March 2014
OpenSUSE 13.2 To Use Btrfs By Default
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTYzNjA

RHEL 7 will also include the Btrfs file system as a tech preview
http://www.eweek.com/enterprise-apps/red-hat-enterprise-linux-7-enters-beta.html
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Re: Small Home server - HDD/SDD

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On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
pocallag...@gmail.com wrote:
 Also, a USB stick will wear out a lot quicker if it's used as a
 root filesystem with /tmp.

Well, I've been waiting for Samsung F2FS for a long time, but still no
boot support AFAIK
http://www.techspot.com/news/50428-samsung-creates-flash-friendly-open-source-file-system-f2fs.html

 on the rotating drive. Note that a real SSD can go about twice as fast
 as a SATA 2 port, which is probably what you have on your machine, but
 it will still be dramatically faster than a USB stick.

But there are USB 3.0 sticks too, the difference is narrower then than
USB 2.0 ports :)

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Re: Fedora *is* for servers! [was Re: Need advice]

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On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Matthew Miller
mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote:

 For more, see the Fedora Server Working Group:
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server

Formed in October 2013.
*cough* *cough*

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Re: Need advice

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On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 8:07 PM, poma pomidorabelis...@gmail.com wrote:

 OL or LOL? :)

 Red Hat Announces Availability of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 Beta
   December 11, 2013 


The RHEL 6.5 source was out Nov 21
http://www.redhat.com/about/news/press-archive/2013/11/red-hat-launches-latest-version-of-red-hat-enterprise-linux-6

By Nov 27 ORCL had a corresponding OL 6.5 release.
https://oss.oracle.com/pipermail/el-errata/2013-November/003829.html

Dec 1st came CentOS, 2013
http://www.techienews.co.uk/973494/centos-6-5-released/

So... I'm happy to see that RHAT has joined forces with the community to
get CentOS get releases out faster. ;) And since we're talking beta not
final versions, I guess I little delay is no big deal.

In the end we all benefit from competition, case in point:

Linux containers (LXC),
https://blogs.oracle.com/wim/entry/oracle_linux_containers_continued

DTrace support ported from Solaris
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/articles/servers-storage-dev/dtrace-on-linux-1956556.html

PHP 5.5.10 with Dtrace enabled...
https://oss.oracle.com/projects/php/

Newer kernels for testing @ Playground
http://public-yum.oracle.com/repo/OracleLinux/OL6/playground/latest/x86_64/

So, I kinda welcome some much needed competition to RHEL. Specially on the
pricing front if you want faster fixes via paid support
http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/1519/3skj.png

But that is just me. I also have a CentOS box just to have the baseline
code that everyone runs
Competition IS good, a rising tide lifts all the boats, so to speak.

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Re: Most Efficient Network File sharing protocol?

[Fernando Cassia]

On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Marko Vojinovic vvma...@gmail.com wrote:

 If you do it this way, it should
 really not matter much which transfer protocol you are using. NFS,
 samba, ftp, scp, rsync, even http --- they should all give you roughly
 the same (fast) performance


I disagree. Different protocols introduce different levels of overhead.
Hence my suggestion to use netbeui which has lower overhead, at the expense
of being non-routeable (only good for a local LAN segment).

That is, if current SAMBA supports the NETBEUI protocol, which I'm not
sure. I haven' t used NETBEUI since the Samba 2.x days...

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Re: Most Efficient Network File sharing protocol?

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On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote:

 So, you are offering advice to use a protocol which may or may not exist
 and be available now?  And of which you have no current experience?


I'm offering a pointer to check whether Samba.org currently supports
NETBEUI or not, based on my past experience of it being more efficient and
faster than other protocols, with less overhead.



 Wouldn't it make better sense to cite performance comparisons of the
 various common protocols?  Maybe articles such as.


I did, earlier in this same thread.

NetBEUI is a small, efficient, and fast protocol with low overhead.

One reason for NetBEUI's lower overhead is that NetBEUI does not require an
explicit acknowledgment (ACK) of each frame before it sends the next.
Instead, the computer packages up several ACKs and sends them all at once.
Requiring an ACK for every packet wastes network resources. NetBEUI
dynamically determines the number of frames the sender can transmit before
receiving an ACK, based on the network's current conditions.

NetBEUI was developed for LANs segmented into workgroups of 20 to 200
computers, with gateways connecting LAN segments to one another or to
mainframes. NetBEUI is optimized for very high performance when used in
departmental LANs or LAN segments. For traffic within a LAN segment,
NetBEUI typically is the fastest protocol.

http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/6556/6556pro_021.html
Just because you don't like what I say it doesn't invalidate my point of
NETBEUI having lower overhead.
It was designed at a time when LANs where 1-4Mbit, and CPUs were slow
compared to today.

Here, another source


NetBEUI has less overhead, so it is very efficient in small networks (less
then 10 computers), and it is actually faster then TCP/IP.

However on large Networks it produces the opposite effect, and might bog
down the Network. 


http://www.ezlan.net/netbeui.html

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Re: Most Efficient Network File sharing protocol?

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On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote:

 So, you are offering advice to use a protocol which may or may not exist
 and be available now?


I'm asking the samba devs right now to learn something in the process
(current status of NETBEUI support in Samba 4.x), and to lower your
anxiety. ;)

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Re: Most Efficient Network File sharing protocol?

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On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 1:35 AM, Marko Vojinovic vvma...@gmail.com wrote:

 So? What did the samba devs say? Did they even bother to answer the
 question?

 Best, :-)

Here's the update: the last kernel on top of which you can run NETBEUI
is 2.4 [1]

Nobody seems to have ported the required kernel patches to 3.x kernels :-(.

This is what I remembered about Samba 2.x used with NetBEUI
https://lists.samba.org/archive/samba-technical/2000-July/008748.html

Back then Samba's Jeremy Allison (now at Google, apparently?) said It
will of course *definately* be merged for (Samba) 3.0. It'll probably
be done as a ./configure option (--with-netbeui).

But it never happened because the changes to the kernel it relied on
where never added to the mainline Linux kernel.

Here, Allison himself explained in 2006 [2]: The problem was that
depended on Linux kernel changes that never
got added (and I don't think would get added) concluding that It
might be worth revisiting at some future point, but currently I don't
have the bandwidth to add it. If someone wanted to do this it would
make an excellent
summer of code style project.

Now it's one of those times where I wish I had the knowledge to bring
those patches to the current kernel... :)

NetBEUI (Microsoftspeak) aka NETBIOS (IBMSpeak) aka NBF  [4] is really
fast, believe me.  And complies with the KISS Principle [3] of
having low overhead (but also no strong crypto, no fancy modern
features, it's just to share files between trusted machines on a local
LAN segment, and it did so very nicely :)

Oh well... :-/
FC

[1] NetBEUI support patches ported to kernel 2.4.24
http://zhubr.tamb.ru/netbeui/
[2] Allison on why NetBEUI was never added (2006)
https://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2006-January/116383.html
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle
[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetBIOS_Frames_protocol
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Re: Most Efficient Network File sharing protocol?

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On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 3:57 AM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote:
 So, aren't you happy you've helped the OP avoid doing the research only to 
 learn it wouldn't have helped him at all?  :-)

I'm happy of having done the research to learn something myself and
educate others in the process. All without the need to chastise
anyone. Aren't mailing lists wonderful?

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PS: I would love to get NETBEUI working on current kernels and samba
4.x. Will you help? I'd be happy to beta test and benchmark. grin
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Re: Pacman game availability for Fedora

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On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Paul Smith phh...@gmail.com wrote:
 I thank Fernando and the other two respondents. I have tried
 ArcadeFlex (after 'yum install icedtea-web'), but all I get is a white
 square... The OpenJDK version does not work well on my F19, as the
 board is too big for the available window.

Sounds like an icedtea-web bug. RedHat devs working on Icedtea welcome
all bug reports and usually fix things promptly, in my experience.

distro-pkg-...@openjdk.java.net is the mailing list where Icedtea devs hang.

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...and send your bug report. Please make sure you tell OS version,
openjdk build (java -version), screen resolution, and all the other
details that you think might be relevant.

If you can´t do it, let me know and I´ll mention the Arcadeflex site
to the devs so they can test, but it´ll be better if you do it
yourself as only you know the details about your system.

Hope this helps...

FC
PS: the version you get from ArcadeFlex seems to be the original
arcade game. In fact you can see the ROM unpacking and MAME kicking
in. (you must type ´OK´ to agree with the legal disclaimer before it
runs).

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Re: Pacman game availability for Fedora

[Fernando Cassia]

On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Andre Robatino
robat...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
 I´m not a lawyer, but regardless please do not break the law.

 Between the unjustness of the law (which puts games at risk of being lost to
 history, when five or ten years of protection would be more than enough) and
 the fact that Archive.org has been able to post all of MAME 0.151 for months
 now without being shut down (see https://archive.org/details/messmame ), I
 don't think people should lose sleep over it.

Andre,

I'm sure you understand that I needed to includeut that sort of
disclaimer. Even if I agree with your points. ;)

FC


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