Re: Fedora 16 preupgrade with grub2 failure.

2012-02-26 Thread Julius Smith 
Thanks for your info - I finally punched through - here's what mine
needed to look like:

title Fedora F16
root (hd0,0)
kernel /vmlinuz-3.2.7-1.fc16.x86_64 ro 
root=/dev/mapper/vg_hostname-lv_root
initrd /initramfs-3.2.7-1.fc16.x86_64.img

where hostname is my host name.  This is in fact the grub2 version
(ported back to grub).  Previously I had misread the first '_' as '-'.
 (no copy/paste in the little bash world I was struggling in)

I notice that /dev/mapper/vg_hostname-lv_root is a symlink to ../dm-2
- I hope it's ok to mount /dev/dm-2 directly - I might not have a typo
in a name that short, and I might even remember it! :-)

Since I don't need anything fancy, can I simply keep grub and not
fight through getting grub2 to install?  I'm worried that my 200 MB
/boot/ partition is not up to the task.  It causes me trouble every
single upgrade.  (I know I need to do a fresh install with a new
partition map - I promise eventually to get around to that.)

Thanks for any advice,
Julius

On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Michael D. Setzer II
 wrote:
> What I put in my grub.conf file that worked is:
>
> title Fedora16
>        root (hd0,0)
>        kernel /vmlinuz-3.2.7-1.fc16.i686
> root=/dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00
>        initrd /initramfs-3.2.7-1.fc16.i686.img
>
>
> On 26 Feb 2012 at 17:03, Julius Smith wrote:
>
> Date sent:              Sun, 26 Feb 2012 17:03:19 -0800
> Subject:                Re: Fedora 16 preupgrade with grub2 failure.
> From:                   Julius Smith 
> To:                     Community support for Fedora users
> 
>
>> I just did a preupgrade from F15 to F16 and fell into this trap, or
>> something similar.
>>
>> From a rescue disk boot (F12 is the latest I had lying around), I can
>> see both grub and grub2 directories in /boot.  The grub2 dir looks set
>> up, but when booting grub/grub.conf is accessed, and it points to the
>> preupgrade "kernel" which no longer exists.  I tried setting
>> grub/grub.conf so that at least the system would boot, but I can't
>> figure out how to set the "root=" option.  Using what's in grub2 does
>> not work, nor does any of many things I've tried (it's /dev/sda2, and
>> presumably VolGroup00-LogVol01, but nothing like that works).  So, I'm
>> dead in the water as well.
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Michael D. Setzer II
>>  wrote:
>> > I've don't a number of upgrades from Fedora 14 to 16 with no
>> > problems, but just had a very bad issue with grub2 not working.
>> >
>> > Preupgrade process seemed to go fine, then rebooted.
>> > Screen came up, but was in a very dark gray with slightly lighter
>> > gray letters that were not very readable, but it appeared to be
>> > processing fine, and let it run.
>> >
>> > After a while, it had a popup window that said something about a
>> > bootloader with only an OK button, which I was a guessing was that
>> > it was going to install the new bootloader, so pressed enter.
>> >
>> > Machine rebooted but showed the old grub 0.97 options, which
>> > only listed the upgrade kernel option and the link to run my g4l
>> > kernels. The preupgrade option didn't find files, but booting from
>> > the g4l kernel gave me access, and I could see a grub2 directory was
>> > there and so was the new kernels. I was eventually able to get the
>> > 0.97 grub.conf to load the fedora 16 kernel and initramfs by
>> > manually creating entry, but don't know why the grub2 upgrade would
>> > have failed, or what the best way to get the grub2 correctly
>> > installed?
>> >
>> > I have the previous 500GB disk with the Fedora 14 before the
>> > upgrade, so can go back to it if necessary. Had to duplicate the
>> > disk to a 1TB drive and increase the /boot since the system only had
>> > a 200MB /boot.
>> >
>> > Hoping there is a simple solution?
>> >
>> > +--+
>> >  Michael D. Setzer II -  Computer Science Instructor
>> >  Guam Community College  Computer Center
>> >  mailto:mi...@kuentos.guam.net
>> >  mailto:msetze...@gmail.com
>> >  http://www.guam.net/home/mikes
>> >  Guam - Where America's Day Begins
>> >  G4L Disk Imaging Project maintainer
>> >  http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/
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>> >
>> > http://setiathome.berkeley.edu (Original)
>> > Number of Seti Units R

Re: Fedora 16 preupgrade with grub2 failure.

2012-02-26 Thread Julius Smith 
I just did a preupgrade from F15 to F16 and fell into this trap, or
something similar.

From a rescue disk boot (F12 is the latest I had lying around), I can
see both grub and grub2 directories in /boot.  The grub2 dir looks set
up, but when booting grub/grub.conf is accessed, and it points to the
preupgrade "kernel" which no longer exists.  I tried setting
grub/grub.conf so that at least the system would boot, but I can't
figure out how to set the "root=" option.  Using what's in grub2 does
not work, nor does any of many things I've tried (it's /dev/sda2, and
presumably VolGroup00-LogVol01, but nothing like that works).  So, I'm
dead in the water as well.

On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Michael D. Setzer II
 wrote:
> I've don't a number of upgrades from Fedora 14 to 16 with no
> problems, but just had a very bad issue with grub2 not working.
>
> Preupgrade process seemed to go fine, then rebooted.
> Screen came up, but was in a very dark gray with slightly lighter
> gray letters that were not very readable, but it appeared to be
> processing fine, and let it run.
>
> After a while, it had a popup window that said something about a
> bootloader with only an OK button, which I was a guessing was
> that it was going to install the new bootloader, so pressed enter.
>
> Machine rebooted but showed the old grub 0.97 options, which
> only listed the upgrade kernel option and the link to run my g4l
> kernels. The preupgrade option didn't find files, but booting from
> the g4l kernel gave me access, and I could see a grub2 directory
> was there and so was the new kernels. I was eventually able to
> get the 0.97 grub.conf to load the fedora 16 kernel and initramfs
> by manually creating entry, but don't know why the grub2 upgrade
> would have failed, or what the best way to get the grub2 correctly
> installed?
>
> I have the previous 500GB disk with the Fedora 14 before the
> upgrade, so can go back to it if necessary. Had to duplicate the
> disk to a 1TB drive and increase the /boot since the system only
> had a 200MB /boot.
>
> Hoping there is a simple solution?
>
> +--+
>  Michael D. Setzer II -  Computer Science Instructor
>  Guam Community College  Computer Center
>  mailto:mi...@kuentos.guam.net
>  mailto:msetze...@gmail.com
>  http://www.guam.net/home/mikes
>  Guam - Where America's Day Begins
>  G4L Disk Imaging Project maintainer
>  http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/
> +--+
>
> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu (Original)
> Number of Seti Units Returned:  19,471
> Processing time:  32 years, 290 days, 12 hours, 58 minutes
> (Total Hours: 287,489)
>
> BOINC@HOME CREDITS
> SETI        11878212.985960   |   EINSTEIN     7347240.179852
> ROSETTA      4278297.373025   |   ABC         11278989.077652
>
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Fedora iso checksums

2012-01-01 Thread Julius Smith 
Why is it so hard to find the iso checksums for Fedora releases?  It is
easy to find the .iso downloads themselves, and we're asked to verify them,
but it is very hard to find the checksums!  I ultimately had to search the
Web for the checksum itself!

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Re: No, I don't want to maximize my window

2011-10-10 Thread Julius Smith 
You can turn off window tiling using gconf-editor
(desktop->gnome->shell->windows) - jos

On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Frantisek Hanzlik  wrote:
> Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> ...
>>
>> So, naturally, Gnome must ape Windows, and imitate every stupid thing that 
>> Windows does.
>>
>> Sigh.
>
> Exactly. And there is, unluckily, more stupid things which now
> appears in Linux. It seems as some developers meditate as
> "windows do it == users want it".
> Or there on Linux now are working only full-time windows developers,
> which in their spare-time drop little of their prudence to Linux
> software?
>
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Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

2011-09-01 Thread Julius Smith 
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Steve Underwood  wrote:
> On 08/31/2011 09:02 PM, Tim wrote:
>> On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 12:36 -0600, Julius Smith wrote:
>>> using the mouse is slow, so we need to be able to define a shortcut
>>> for everything.
>> And how are you going to remember them all?  Or have enough keys to give
>> everything a unique hotkey.

With the following I can get by without a mouse for a very long time
during "normal work":

Ctrl+Alt+E = emacs -geometry 80x50
Ctrl+Alt+S = emacs -sclang -geometry 80x50 ~/SC/tests.sc
Ctrl+Alt+C = google-chrome
Ctrl+Alt+T = terminal [replacing Alt+T which interferes with emacs]

I tried also to make one for system-preferences, but could not find
the app.  It doesn't seem to be one of the "system-config-*"
utilities, which surprised me. Can anyone tell me what it is?

Thanks
- jos

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Re: 9. Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15 (Julius Smith)

2011-08-30 Thread Julius Smith 
If you are referring to my general comments re. GNOME 3, then yes, that's on
Fedora 15. - jos

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Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

2011-08-30 Thread Julius Smith 
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Steve Underwood  wrote:
> I have FC15 on three machines with different hardware - different CPUs,
> different graphics hardware. As installed, all three were kinda OK.
> After recent updates all three now take about 5 seconds to change
> windows. A warning box popping up is a minimum 10s activity - 5 seconds
> to appear, and 5 to dismiss it. I find it hardware to believe I have
> three special case machines which all hit the same obscure bug. How can
> you call this a productive environment?

I don't see anything like this at all.  (I don't see bizarre jumping
windows either.)  Have you tried logging in as a new user to make sure
there's nothing in your config affecting things?   It definitely
sounds like a bug to chase down.

>> In my opinion, Fedora should be aimed at "power users"
>> not "newbies".

> Aiming a desktop at one group of users, rather than the general case, is
> a weird choice. Its like stating clearly that you wish to remain in
> obscurity, and never build the critical mass momentum to really get
> anywhere.

I'm talking about all Fedora users and developers, who should know
their way around Linux already.  Let the newbies run CentOS, and give
_them_ a stripped down version of GNOME 3 if that's what they prefer.
(However, I think even they should be offered a complete and visible
learning curve.)

> They broke the mouse, so the answer is more shortcuts? What about fixing
> what was broken as a better alternative?

I'm not talking about shortcuts to work around a mouse bug (missed
that part of the thread).  I'm talking about eliminating mouse use
completely.  I want to do everything from within emacs and its shells,
because it's so much faster than GUI-based machinations.  That said,
nice GUIs are fun, pretty, great for newbies, and they can provide a
nicely graduated learning curve, eventually getting out of the way
when done right.

Bugs should simply be fixed.

- jos

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Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

2011-08-30 Thread Julius Smith 
I disliked the decision to simplify things in GNOME 3, but on the
whole I find it more productive than GNOME 2.  Things got better once
I found alacarte, gnome-shell-extensions-alternative-status-menu,
etc., to recover lost functionality.  In my opinion, Fedora should be
aimed at "power users" not "newbies".  That said, I like throwing
windows to the left and right to fill half the screen, cycling through
windows of a given app (Alt-`) as easily as cycling through apps
(Alt-Tab), and generally saving screen space.  Once I got my "Custom
Shortcuts" in place, I have few complaints (other than the
freezing-emacs bug).  In general, using the mouse is slow, so we need
to be able to define a shortcut for everything. - jos

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Re: Top posting

2010-06-27 Thread Julius Smith 
Some points:

* Top posting is more efficient for all if the context is clear

* Top posting makes it easier to respond to only one point of many

* For the blind listening to text-to-speech reading of the page,
top-posting is the only way to go

* I vote for top-posting, including quoted snippets above when needed
to set context ("partial interleaved posting", really).  There are
good examples of this earlier in this thread.

* I have no problem with full quoted blather after the post as long as
I don't have to read it.  Email clients suppress its display, it's not
that much extra disk space, and it could be detected and converted to
a pointer if one cared about squeezing out the redundancy (e.g., for
archival storage).  It also of course enables deletion of all previous
messages in the thread without losing anything.

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