Re: list-moderation - Re: KDE without gnome-shell?
Am 03.11.2013 03:58, schrieb Jared K. Smith: On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net mailto:h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: oh yeah, release this post after 3 days makes so much sense this wole moderation thing is *ridiculous* and again if you can't do the moderation in a timly manner stop doing so or simply *unsubscribe me completly* so that i no longer *waste my time* trying to help others I'm sorry for pushing the email through moderation. I was offline for a couple of days (traveling to Hong Kong), and I was without internet access. It looks like the other moderators on the list didn't do any moderation in my absence, so all I can do is apologize that it took so long for your message to go through. that's all nice and understandable, but this happens *regulary* all the time and makes it *worthles* beeing most of the time the first one which replies day and night you are doing *much more harn* with the moderation and the last few rejected messages was *caused by the moderation* because it makes me crazy to see a thread *useless* growing and my answer is peding forever Again, that's not my intention. As I've explained before, I try to do moderation every day that I'm online. I'm usually online Monday through Saturday, except when I'm traveling for work. We also have four or five other moderators, that *should* be helping to moderate posts, but it seems that they may need some additional prodding. Hopefully they'll see this message and step up their efforts. this is a useless situation for *anybody* involved yes, devel stopped doing so independently of the thread below which was caused by bouncing back a *private message* and exactly the same was the reason got moderated here again instead people bounce private messages to lists and so violate more the etiquette and law There's no need to re-hash the entire situation again, Harald. As both a moderator on this list and a member of the Community Working Group, I know exactly what happened, and I'll remind you (once again) that the CWG gave you strict instructions on what you can do to avoid having your posts moderated. Up until now, you've refused to follow those instructions, so your posts remain moderated. I don't think I can make this any more clear. obviously there is a need to re-hash so explain *here and now* and in the public what do you you expect from me and why you ignore the amount of helpful posts, the amount of feedback from other list members months ago that the moderation does more harm than it can ever help and without lose my face *if you really think* that the possibility of a handful not friendly enough responses (which anyways are going out in the private CC which would not be needed without moderation and is my only chance to get out a response in a timly manner) outweights the amout of helpful resonses over the time *THAN UNSUBSCRIBE ME NOW* and make this decision public, otherwise stop this kindergarten You don't seem to understand the code of conduct. It isn't limited to your interactions on Fedora channels. As part of the community, you are expected to behave in a certain civilized manner, to be polite and respectful. It doesn't matter if this is on or off list. It doesn't matter if you're talking to another Fedora community member or mozilla/ubuntu/whatnot. You're just expected to behave professionally and maturely _as_much_as_possible_. We're all human and will lose our tempers from time to time, but such cases must be *limited* to a minimum. if you insist on this paragraph *UNSUBSCRIBE ME NOW* - period i better waste my time on writing bug reports and testing packages http://kparal.wordpress.com/ updates testing in Q2 2013 Adam Williamson (adamwill) 231 Reindl Harald (hreindl) 224 updates testing in Q1 2013 hreindl 278 patches 94 Please don't think that just because we're moderating your posts to the users list i do not need to think while i know for sure that it *is not valued* because otherwise this topic would not exists for months and if you would value it you would come to the conclusion that the moderation makes more harm that i ever can do with a reply (or that sometimes we're slow in getting to the moderation queue) replace sometimes with always that we don't value your contributions to Fedora. i do not think - i know for sure that it *is not valued* otherwise this topic would not exists for months I'm happy to see the great testing you're doing, and the effort you make in trying to help people in the users mailing list if the contribution would be valued the list moderators would have come long ago to the conclusion that the moderation does more harm than it helps as @devel obviously did instead insist on a letter which explains me that i have to follow
Re: list-moderation - Re: KDE without gnome-shell?
Am 03.11.2013 06:06, schrieb Joe Zeff: On 11/02/2013 07:58 PM, Jared K. Smith wrote: We also have four or five other moderators, that *should* be helping to moderate posts, but it seems that they may need some additional prodding. I don't want to sound sarkey and I'd like to thank you for doing your job as well as you do. However, I would like to ask why, if the other moderators aren't willing to do their job in a prompt and timely manner, they took the job in the first place. *they all* do not care - or did you see my repsonse below on the list within the last 12 hours as well as nobody of the owners nor Jared replied off-list so the current state of play is that my membership on the users-list will end within the next 7 days, by the list moderators with a short message to the list which explains that i insisted to handle it this way or if they are too cowardly going this logical step i will do so the third, obviously unlikely option (otherwise moderation had stopped in summer) would be we stop this ridiculously game of: *bad person i need to censor you and the harm i do at it outbeats the POSSIBLE harm you could do with free speech* Original-Nachricht Betreff: Re: list-moderation - Re: KDE without gnome-shell? Datum: Sun, 03 Nov 2013 06:29:07 +0100 Von: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net An: Jared K. Smith jsm...@fedoraproject.org Kopie (CC): Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org, users-owner users-ow...@lists.fedoraproject.org Am 03.11.2013 03:58, schrieb Jared K. Smith: On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net mailto:h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: oh yeah, release this post after 3 days makes so much sense this wole moderation thing is *ridiculous* and again if you can't do the moderation in a timly manner stop doing so or simply *unsubscribe me completly* so that i no longer *waste my time* trying to help others I'm sorry for pushing the email through moderation. I was offline for a couple of days (traveling to Hong Kong), and I was without internet access. It looks like the other moderators on the list didn't do any moderation in my absence, so all I can do is apologize that it took so long for your message to go through. that's all nice and understandable, but this happens *regulary* all the time and makes it *worthles* beeing most of the time the first one which replies day and night you are doing *much more harn* with the moderation and the last few rejected messages was *caused by the moderation* because it makes me crazy to see a thread *useless* growing and my answer is peding forever Again, that's not my intention. As I've explained before, I try to do moderation every day that I'm online. I'm usually online Monday through Saturday, except when I'm traveling for work. We also have four or five other moderators, that *should* be helping to moderate posts, but it seems that they may need some additional prodding. Hopefully they'll see this message and step up their efforts. this is a useless situation for *anybody* involved yes, devel stopped doing so independently of the thread below which was caused by bouncing back a *private message* and exactly the same was the reason got moderated here again instead people bounce private messages to lists and so violate more the etiquette and law There's no need to re-hash the entire situation again, Harald. As both a moderator on this list and a member of the Community Working Group, I know exactly what happened, and I'll remind you (once again) that the CWG gave you strict instructions on what you can do to avoid having your posts moderated. Up until now, you've refused to follow those instructions, so your posts remain moderated. I don't think I can make this any more clear. obviously there is a need to re-hash so explain *here and now* and in the public what do you you expect from me and why you ignore the amount of helpful posts, the amount of feedback from other list members months ago that the moderation does more harm than it can ever help and without lose my face *if you really think* that the possibility of a handful not friendly enough responses (which anyways are going out in the private CC which would not be needed without moderation and is my only chance to get out a response in a timly manner) outweights the amout of helpful resonses over the time *THAN UNSUBSCRIBE ME NOW* and make this decision public, otherwise stop this kindergarten You don't seem to understand the code of conduct. It isn't limited to your interactions on Fedora channels. As part of the community, you are expected to behave in a certain civilized manner, to be polite and respectful. It doesn't matter if this is on or off list. It doesn't matter if you're talking to another Fedora community member or mozilla/ubuntu/whatnot. You're just expected to behave
good bye - Fwd: list-moderation - Re: KDE without gnome-shell?
well, you even do not find it worth to answer and continue not release posts if you would act honest and practice what you preach you would have written an answer within the last two days and even a please unsubscribe now would have shown more respect than nothing at all since this bevavior not likely changes i quit *until midnight*, choose if you are fair enough to release at least this goodbye and/or reconsider how to act with people yourself within these few hours in a free community respect also means people are sometimes allowed to be hot-blooded and straight-ahead, given that my seek/give-help ratio is 1/1000 i do not need to creep in the sand in front of anybody because trying hard to not insult people over a long time is not fair enough goodbye and hopefully you find enough people with enough knowledge while 24 hours a day acting like a pure gentleman in any context - i did not meet much of them in the last 35 years, honestly not a single one Original-Nachricht Betreff: Re: list-moderation - Re: KDE without gnome-shell? Datum: Sun, 03 Nov 2013 06:29:07 +0100 Von: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net Organisation: the lounge interactive design An: Jared K. Smith jsm...@fedoraproject.org Kopie (CC): Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org, users-owner users-ow...@lists.fedoraproject.org Am 03.11.2013 03:58, schrieb Jared K. Smith: On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net mailto:h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: oh yeah, release this post after 3 days makes so much sense this wole moderation thing is *ridiculous* and again if you can't do the moderation in a timly manner stop doing so or simply *unsubscribe me completly* so that i no longer *waste my time* trying to help others I'm sorry for pushing the email through moderation. I was offline for a couple of days (traveling to Hong Kong), and I was without internet access. It looks like the other moderators on the list didn't do any moderation in my absence, so all I can do is apologize that it took so long for your message to go through. that's all nice and understandable, but this happens *regulary* all the time and makes it *worthles* beeing most of the time the first one which replies day and night you are doing *much more harn* with the moderation and the last few rejected messages was *caused by the moderation* because it makes me crazy to see a thread *useless* growing and my answer is peding forever Again, that's not my intention. As I've explained before, I try to do moderation every day that I'm online. I'm usually online Monday through Saturday, except when I'm traveling for work. We also have four or five other moderators, that *should* be helping to moderate posts, but it seems that they may need some additional prodding. Hopefully they'll see this message and step up their efforts. this is a useless situation for *anybody* involved yes, devel stopped doing so independently of the thread below which was caused by bouncing back a *private message* and exactly the same was the reason got moderated here again instead people bounce private messages to lists and so violate more the etiquette and law There's no need to re-hash the entire situation again, Harald. As both a moderator on this list and a member of the Community Working Group, I know exactly what happened, and I'll remind you (once again) that the CWG gave you strict instructions on what you can do to avoid having your posts moderated. Up until now, you've refused to follow those instructions, so your posts remain moderated. I don't think I can make this any more clear. obviously there is a need to re-hash so explain *here and now* and in the public what do you you expect from me and why you ignore the amount of helpful posts, the amount of feedback from other list members months ago that the moderation does more harm than it can ever help and without lose my face *if you really think* that the possibility of a handful not friendly enough responses (which anyways are going out in the private CC which would not be needed without moderation and is my only chance to get out a response in a timly manner) outweights the amout of helpful resonses over the time *THAN UNSUBSCRIBE ME NOW* and make this decision public, otherwise stop this kindergarten You don't seem to understand the code of conduct. It isn't limited to your interactions on Fedora channels. As part of the community, you are expected to behave in a certain civilized manner, to be polite and respectful. It doesn't matter if this is on or off list. It doesn't matter if you're talking to another Fedora community member or mozilla/ubuntu/whatnot. You're just expected to behave professionally and maturely _as_much_as_possible_. We're all human and will lose our tempers from time to time, but such cases must be *limited
Re: install to disk for another system
Am 30.10.2013 22:00, schrieb idwsh6...@sneakemail.com: I'm looking for strategies that support installing fedora to a removable disk that will then be removed to run in another system. Ideally this will be automated (as opposed to clicking on 'Next' buttons like the standard anaconda install from CD). Basically I'm picturing something like: - set up partitions / filesystems based on some config file - install packages from local repository - post-package configuration (e.g., configure etc files) - remove disk, insert another, repeat This sounds very kickstart-ish, but kickstart is usually used to install onto storage on the actual target system. I want to install to a disk in a separate machine, then move the disk to the target system. This might even be an installation for a target system that is not the same architecture as the installer system. Fire away. What solutions are out there? normally in such cases you install a template setup on one machine followd by a image of the complete disk (from a live CD or stick) and install the image on the spare disk man dd make sure you have a *full initrd* and if you avoid specific graphics drivers the installation will boot on most hardware [root@localhost:~]$ cat /etc/dracut.conf.d/91-host-only.conf hostonly=no in case of RAID10 systems i vene put two of the 4 disks to the new machine and make a RAID-rebuild on both of them if the system does not boot up you chossed the wrong one but since it wil not boot at all no harm - try different disks to move signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: KDE without gnome-shell?
no, you are mixing gnome-shell and gdm here gnome-shell for sure is not started before login http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_Display_Manager http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Display_Manager Am 31.10.2013 12:47, schrieb Oliver Ruebenacker: When I boot, my system will start gnome-shell, before I can log in and choose whether I want Gnome of KDE. When I uninstall gnome-shell, it fails to boot. On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 6:44 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com mailto:pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 12:30 AM, Oliver Ruebenacker cur...@gmail.com mailto:cur...@gmail.com wrote: Can you run KDE on Fedora 19 without gnome-shell? You can run KDE without any part of Gnome being installed. It's an entirely separate desktop environment signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: KDE without gnome-shell?
Am 31.10.2013 13:20, schrieb Oliver Ruebenacker: On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Juan Orti Alcaine juan.o...@miceliux.com mailto:juan.o...@miceliux.com wrote: El 2013-10-31 12:47, Oliver Ruebenacker escribió: Hello, When I boot, my system will start gnome-shell, before I can log in and choose whether I want Gnome of KDE. When I uninstall gnome-shell, it fails to boot. # yum groupinstall kde-desktop-environment Interesting, I had done yum install @kde-desktop before. This one added three more packages. # systemctl enable kdm.service I did sudo systemctl enable kdm.service It says: Failed to issue method call: File exists systemctl disable gdm.service; systemctl enable kdm.service; systemctl stop gdm.service; systemctl start kdm.service signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: i NEED HELP WITH FIREFOX.
Am 01.11.2013 21:56, schrieb Aaron Konstam: Something strange is happening to my firefox under F19. As soon as I open it all the text that is dis[alyed is followed by a reading of the text. This was not what used to happen Could someone tell me why this is happening and how to stop it from doing this * first *do not* write subjects uppercase spam-filters giving them negative score for good reasons * second: describe your problem so that anybody but you can imagine what you are talking about or put a scrrenshot somewhere signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: ssl/certificate issue for website
why in the world would anybody want to remove it? this has clearly dependency impact yum reinstall ca-certificates is your friend Am 01.11.2013 21:30, schrieb bruce: ooopps... when I run rpm -qV ca-certificates I get rpm -qV ca-certificates S.5T. c /etc/pki/tls/certs/ca-bundle.crt when I try to do yum erase ca-certificates.. yum offers to remove a bunch of things!! [root@dell-1 parseapp2]# rpm -e ca-certificates error: Failed dependencies: ca-certificates is needed by (installed) qt-1:4.6.3-10.fc13.x86_64 ca-certificates is needed by (installed) neon-0.29.3-1.fc13.x86_64 ca-certificates is needed by (installed) java-1.6.0-openjdk-1:1.6.0.0-51.1.8.8.fc13.x86_64 ca-certificates is needed by (installed) qt-1:4.6.3-10.fc13.i686 ca-certificates is needed by (installed) libpurple-2.7.11-1.fc13.x86_64 ca-certificates = 2008-5 is needed by (installed) openssl-1.0.0d-1.fc13.x86_64 ca-certificates = 2008-5 is needed by (installed) openssl-1.0.0d-1.fc13.i686 thoughts?? thanks On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: bruce wrote: I tried to extract the pem as you suggested, placed it in a diff dir.. it works... So I've got a couple of questions... How did you know which cert/pem file to extract? Why didn't my attempt at getting the cert from the lock of the url/address for the smc.edu site not work? I read the Issued By line: * Peer's certificate issuer is not recognized: 'CN=VeriSign Class 3 International Server CA - G3,OU=Terms of use at https://www.verisign.com/rpa (c)10,OU=VeriSign Trust Network,O=VeriSign, Inc.,C=US' You downloaded the client certificate that is signed by the CA certificate. In order for curl/NSS to validate the client certificate it needs the CA certificate and not the client certificate. Also, any idea what I can do regarding the access/path errors I mentioned... In regards to your private mail, I do not know why you are seeing errors. You may have damanged the cert databases in /etc/pki/nssdb, which are empty by default, but are still used during CA checking. You can verify the ca-bundle is unharmed by running rpm -qV ca-certificates. Nothing should print to your terminal if it verifies successfully. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Out of curiosity
Am 02.11.2013 01:20, schrieb Roger: Why, when installing a new app do we need to also install the -libs and the -devel if the app is needed to make another app work you do not need any devel-package if you do not compile software from source if you think so post specific output about what you are talking Why cannot -libs be part of the installation if they are that important to the operation they are part of the installation by dependencies Why are -devel, which I'm guessing are development files for the app needed, does this mean the app is bar minimum and cannot be used when required by another app about which devel-packages do you talk? on our whole production servers there are only *two* devel packages and not more which are unhappy packaging systemtap-sdt-devel-2.3-1.fc18.x86_64 perl-devel-5.16.3-244.fc18.x86_64 Sorry if I seem confused, Just trying to get a handle on the situation the situation is simple: * you do not need devel-packages as user * if something pulls them it's a apackageing error - make a bugreport * the libs packages are shared libraries * example mysql: you do not need mysql-server on a client machine but you need mysql-libs for any application talking to a remote or local mysql server or to be precise /usr/lib64/mysql/libmysqlclient.so.18 and /usr/lib64/mysql/libmysqlclient.so.18.0.0 which are the shared client libraries * the mysql-example macths to nearly any package [harry@srv-rhsoft:~]$ rpm -qa | grep flac flac-libs-1.3.0-2.fc19.x86_64 [harry@srv-rhsoft:~]$ no need for flac or flac-devel because soundconverter only needs the libraries and brings it's own executebale sharing the flac code which this way exists only once on the whole machine independent how many applications are useing it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_library signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Where does virt-manager store user config files in Fedora 19?
Am 02.11.2013 17:40, schrieb Digimer: I've been searching in vain for the files used to store a user's virt-manager configuration. Specifically, where all the remote connection entries are stored. Could someone point me in the right direction? https://www.google.at/search?q=virt-managerconfig+files http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/49335/where-does-virt-manager-store-config-files virt-manager config is on ~/.gconf/apps/virt-manager/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
list-moderation - Re: KDE without gnome-shell?
Am 31.10.2013 13:28, schrieb Reindl Harald: Am 31.10.2013 13:20, schrieb Oliver Ruebenacker: I did sudo systemctl enable kdm.service It says: Failed to issue method call: File exists systemctl disable gdm.service; systemctl enable kdm.service; systemctl stop gdm.service; systemctl start kdm.service oh yeah, release this post after 3 days makes so much sense this wole moderation thing is *ridiculous* and again if you can't do the moderation in a timly manner stop doing so or simply *unsubscribe me completly* so that i no longer *waste my time* trying to help others even on the devel-list someone recognized that i am doing a great job for Fdora and stopped the moderation but hey the on holy user list no way to stop this kindergarten you are doing *much more harn* with the moderation and the last few rejected messages was *caused by the moderation* because it makes me crazy to see a thread *useless* growing and my answer is peding forever yes, devel stopped doing so independently of the thread below which was caused by bouncing back a *private message* and exactly the same was the reason got moderated here again instead people bounce private messages to lists and so violate more the etiquette and law http://osdir.com/ml/fedora-users/2013-05/msg00039.html http://netblock-68-183-106-10.dslextreme.com/linux/fedora/fedora-advisory-board/msg11987.html i better waste my time on writing bug reports and testing packages http://kparal.wordpress.com/ updates testing in Q2 2013 Adam Williamson (adamwill) 231 Reindl Harald (hreindl) 224 updates testing in Q1 2013 hreindl 278 patches 94 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Rid Firefox of an extension??
Am 02.11.2013 19:37, schrieb Beartooth: I'm running Firefox 24.0 on F18. It keeps telling me I have an update for AdblockPlus, but when I try to install it, it fails. I've tried doing it with AdblockPlus enabled, and with it disabled. There is no button on this extension, as there is on normal ones, to remove it. How do I just get rid of the whole extension? Is there an item or a line in my .mozilla, for instance, where I can just delete it? you have pretty sure the *rpm package* installed and that exists *oustide* your user-profile and so can and must not be updated from the browser yum remove mozilla-adblockplus signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
Am 28.10.2013 21:53, schrieb Mateusz Marzantowicz: On 28.10.2013 21:36, Reindl Harald wrote: Part of my FF config regarding file associacion is genuine and was never modified. I know I can change this or that, but appropriate entries are there ane still don't work correctly. It happens only for some servers and files and *why* did you *not* state this in your original post? because for me it was obvious that when I wrote that despite I have CLEAN new profile FF still wants to open doc in gedit. I'll be more precise next time. *some servers and files* is NOT general and *that* is the difference so I guess it might be related to wrong headres but I'm not sure so test it to be sure and if it are wrong Content-Type headers bale the server-admin or fool who wrote a web-application sending wrong headers and in that case the whole thread should not have been started at all I started this thread here to see if anybody else is suffering from this problem. I don't know what is the cause of my problem and if I'm the only person affected. so at least provide a sample URL how should someone know how his FF acts on a specific URL and if the Contet-Type header is plaintext the behavior is *correct* Opening doc and gz files with correct app is something that should work on desktop system without much configuration *some servers and files* is NOT general signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
Am 28.10.2013 22:22, schrieb Mateusz Marzantowicz: On 28.10.2013 22:14, Reindl Harald wrote: so at least provide a sample URL Here you go: https://github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/blob/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc?raw=true here you go: text/plain (last line of the wget-output) so the behavior is correct, and that is why you should provide infos while seek for help in the first post [harry@srv-rhsoft:/downloads]$ wget https://github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/blob/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc?raw=true --2013-10-28 22:32:57-- https://github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/blob/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc?raw=true Resolving github.com (github.com)... 192.30.252.129 Connecting to github.com (github.com)|192.30.252.129|:443... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Found Location: https://github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/raw/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc [following] --2013-10-28 22:32:57-- https://github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/raw/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc Reusing existing connection to github.com:443. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Found Location: https://raw.github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc [following] --2013-10-28 22:32:58-- https://raw.github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc Resolving raw.github.com (raw.github.com)... 185.31.16.133 Connecting to raw.github.com (raw.github.com)|185.31.16.133|:443... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 251392 (246K) [text/plain] signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
Am 28.10.2013 22:58, schrieb Mateusz Marzantowicz: On 28.10.2013 22:34, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 28.10.2013 22:22, schrieb Mateusz Marzantowicz: On 28.10.2013 22:14, Reindl Harald wrote: so at least provide a sample URL Here you go: https://github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/blob/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc?raw=true here you go: text/plain (last line of the wget-output) so the behavior is correct, and that is why you should provide infos while seek for help in the first post [harry@srv-rhsoft:/downloads]$ wget https://github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/blob/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc?raw=true Resolving raw.github.com (raw.github.com)... 185.31.16.133 Connecting to raw.github.com (raw.github.com)|185.31.16.133|:443... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 251392 (246K) [text/plain] Thank you for your help. It means that content of downloaded file is irrelevant for FF. *otherwise* it would be a bug and the behavior is correct FF *must not* look in the content a browser which does is broken in case of a specified mime-type http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18337630/what-is-x-content-type-options-nosniff http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/gg622941%28v=vs.85%29.aspx blame the idiot which sends text/plain instead application/msword from the broken web-application and not the messenger signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Package that will install in Fedora to view files on Android Phones.
Am 28.10.2013 23:09, schrieb Jim: Isn't there a Package on Fedora repo that you can install so as to view files on Android Phones by USB?? you mount a phone via MTP and use your ordinary filebrowser and whatever applications are assigned with a mime-type so why would you need a special application? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
Am 28.10.2013 23:26, schrieb Mateusz Marzantowicz: On 28.10.2013 23:02, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 28.10.2013 22:58, schrieb Mateusz Marzantowicz: On 28.10.2013 22:34, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 28.10.2013 22:22, schrieb Mateusz Marzantowicz: On 28.10.2013 22:14, Reindl Harald wrote: so at least provide a sample URL Here you go: https://github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/blob/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc?raw=true here you go: text/plain (last line of the wget-output) so the behavior is correct, and that is why you should provide infos while seek for help in the first post [harry@srv-rhsoft:/downloads]$ wget https://github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/blob/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc?raw=true Resolving raw.github.com (raw.github.com)... 185.31.16.133 Connecting to raw.github.com (raw.github.com)|185.31.16.133|:443... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 251392 (246K) [text/plain] Thank you for your help. It means that content of downloaded file is irrelevant for FF. *otherwise* it would be a bug and the behavior is correct FF *must not* look in the content a browser which does is broken in case of a specified mime-type Could you provide some RFC or other standard to back that statement? *why did you remove the links i posted as example* http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18337630/what-is-x-content-type-options-nosniff http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/gg622941%28v=vs.85%29.aspx http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_sniffing MIME sniffing was, and still is, used by some web browsers, including notably Microsoft's Internet Explorer, in an attempt to help web sites which do not correctly signal the MIME type of web content display correctly. your URL *does* it sends a mime-type! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIME_type https://www.google.at/search?q=mime-sniff http://www.h-online.com/security/features/Risky-MIME-sniffing-in-Internet-Explorer-746229.html signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
Am 29.10.2013 10:07, schrieb Mateusz Marzantowicz: On 29.10.2013 09:17, Ian Malone wrote: This isn't an argument for using content type rather than autodetection, the content type could be manipulated as part of an attack. in that case you are already lost and if the server had an intrusion and is attacking you be sure sooner or later someone will attack your local code doing the mime-sniffing itself OK, I know all that argumentation about security but as you've mentioned HTTP headers could be easily manipulated. could they? only in two cases and in *both* you are already lost * the server was hacked and is attacking users * a successful man-in-the-middle Content recognition must be done somewhere, in that case on web server, in order to set headers correctly. and that is the right place There always would be need for content inspection not on the client except for local saved files So what is better: check content on server side or client side? on the server side - period From client perspective the later is safer because it doesn't have to trust some remote entity. *lol* if you do not trust the remote entity aka server how should your client make it safe by magic? My sample URL showed that even GitHub isn't perfect and sets improper headers for some files (or it does it by choice) because GitHub and some others are failing in basics does not mean that the client has to fix their errors Finally, client software and web browsers should not be fragile to miscellaneous and manipulated content - they just should recognizes it as such maybe windows is the solution for this non-existing problem the majority of users has no problem by some random servers which are broken, you can *always* save a file and open it local or in doubt if the server is that broken close the web-page and go to some trustable source signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Package that will install in Fedora to view files on Android Phones.
Am 29.10.2013 15:24, schrieb Jim: Patrick, where does one get simple-mtpfs seriously? yum install simple-mtpfs signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
Am 29.10.2013 13:30, schrieb Ian Malone: On 29 October 2013 10:36, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com wrote: As Tim pointed out even just for text you can't trivially tell whether it should be interpreted as plain text, html, svg, C etc. without trying to do complex parsing. There is *not* a need for content detection if the server is working correctly, it should know from context what it's serving. You've found a bug with github, that's their issue to fix, not every web browser's to bodge. https://rawgithub.com/ https://rawgithub.com/gammu/gsm-docs/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc fine, that does not explain why they are sending the wrong Content-Type for the other URL, the one below with raw=true is expected to send application/msword too instead text/plain https://github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/blob/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc?raw=true the main question is why someone is starting a thread blaming Firefox because a broken website and insist in blame Firefox while it was multiple times explained how the www works and why Linux does handle htings not the same crippeled way like Windows if someone wants to have the behavior of Windows/MSIE he is free to buy, install and use it, the rest of the world continues not to guess if the mime-type from a server was only a joke - period signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
Am 28.10.2013 21:30, schrieb Mateusz Marzantowicz: On 28.10.2013 16:35, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: Why, Firefox on Fedora 19 wants to open all different sort of files of well known types with gedit? It's ridiculous that torrent files, zip and gz archives and even doc file are suggested to be opened with gedit. Creating new FF profile doesn't resolve this issue. Is it that hard to recognize file type and open it with correct application? Now, you can slaughter me but Firefox on Windows suggests apps correctly so it's more likely Fedora related bug. Any way to fix it? Open Firefox Preferences. Click on Applications. Is it the best you can do? If you don't know how to help, please don't write such useless responses. Part of my FF config regarding file associacion is genuine and was never modified. I know I can change this or that, but appropriate entries are there ane still don't work correctly. It happens only for some servers and files and *why* did you *not* state this in your original post? so I guess it might be related to wrong headres but I'm not sure so test it to be sure and if it are wrong Content-Type headers bale the server-admin or fool who wrote a web-application sending wrong headers and in that case the whole thread should not have been started at all signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: latest F19 version of openssl breaks ssh on i686 machine with old CPU
Am 26.10.2013 00:57, schrieb Roger: On 10/25/2013 09:08 PM, Andre Robatino wrote: I have an old i686 machine with a Cyrix M II CPU which is (barely) capable of running Fedora. The latest version of openssl (openssl-1.0.1e-28.fc19.i686) breaks incoming and outgoing ssh. Outgoing fails with the error Illegal instruction (core dumped) (see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1022346 ). I installed the necessary debuginfo packages to get a stack trace from the core file (see the bug). I guessed that the problem has to do with my CPU not supporting the NOPL instruction, but can't tell from the stack trace. Has anyone else had similar trouble with old CPUs, and is there any other information that would be useful to collect? The maintainer hasn't responded so far. Yes, true for Fedora 19. Openssl latest update is very broken. It caused total lockouts on Rails development on Heroku for several of us. Run sudo yum downgrade openssl openssl-libs openssl-devel. This worked for those of us who had the problem till yesterday Oct25. Don't do sudo yum update or the problem recurrs, grab latest Fedora updates from software updater and make sure that everything openssl is not selected. I have no idea how to know when or if the problem will be fixed affects pretty sure only i686 openssl-1.0.1e-4.fc19.x86_64 openssl-1.0.1e-28.fc19.x86_64 openssl-1.0.1e-29.fc19.x86_64 are all stable, also the F18 x86_64 builds and used on production servers here from day ones with recompiled http/postfix/dovecot to provide working Forward Secrecy maybe older CPU's are the reason too, nobody is using i686 on recent ones signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Help which firefox and fedora 19
Am 23.10.2013 00:06, schrieb Karl-Olov Serrander: All i need is a this to full screen/normal mode menu - view - fullscreen and the F11 in the menu means simply press F11 https://www.google.at/search?q=firefox+fullscreen https://support.mozilla.org/de/questions/959183 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F18: Bind-chroot Dovecot mount errors, how to fix?
Am 22.10.2013 20:00, schrieb Dan Thurman: I at one time installed bind with chroot but decided to remove the bind-chroot package but it did not clean up and remove chroot mounts so I manually removed the chroot mounts, reconfgured bind, restarted named, with no apparent errors. But now, dovecot complains in maillog, the following errors: dovecot: master: Warning: /var/named/chroot/etc/named.root.key is no longer mounted. See http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Mountpoints dovecot: master: Warning: /var/named/chroot/etc/named.conf is no longer mounted. See http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Mountpoints dovecot: master: Warning: /var/named/chroot/etc/named.rfc1912.zones is no longer mounted. See http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Mountpoints dovecot: master: Warning: /var/named/chroot/etc/rndc.key is no longer mounted. See http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Mountpoints dovecot: master: Warning: /var/named/chroot/usr/lib/bind is no longer mounted. See http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Mountpoints dovecot: master: Warning: /var/named/chroot/etc/named.iscdlv.key is no longer mounted. See http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Mountpoints dovecot: master: Warning: /var/named/chroot/var/named is no longer mounted. See http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Mountpoints I tried some of the examples pointed out in wiki2 but I am unable to remove the warnings... What do I need to do? seems the Fedora dovecot is broken because these are no mountpoints at all anyways, removed them and tell dovecot to ignore the complete tree http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Mountpoints doveadm mount remove /var/named/chroot/etc/named.root.key doveadm mount remove /var/named/chroot/etc/named.conf doveadm mount remove /var/named/chroot/etc/named.rfc1912.zones doveadm mount remove /var/named/chroot/etc/rndc.key doveadm mount remove /var/named/chroot/usr/lib/bind doveadm mount remove /var/named/chroot/var/named and *finally* doveadm mount add '/var/named/*' ignore signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F18: Bind-chroot Dovecot mount errors, how to fix?
Am 23.10.2013 17:28, schrieb Dan Thurman: Why not ask dovecot.org? because Timo was asked often enough the remove this stupid behavior as default I read their site and it appears that dovecot supports clustered filesytems, *dsync, and a myriad of different things. Then I found this: * http://blog.dovecot.org/2012/02/dovecot-clustering-with-dsync-based.html (Could replication/clustering/dsync have something to do with detecting disk changes?) even if - you have the same behavior while dovecot is running as proxy only Since I mentioned that I installed bind-chroot, installed dovecot, then uninstalled bind-chroot, perhaps triggering dovecot to notice a disk change (dsync) and thus generated bind-chroot mountpoint warnings, repeatedly? I do recall that when I installed bind-root, dovecot did not complain and I had this running for a week or so. The dovecot warning came after I removed bind-root yes because it complains *always* if any mountpoint got removed no user-space application on this planet needs to scan mountpoints at least not as default behavior in any setup signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora = the darker side of the Internet?
Am 19.10.2013 01:03, schrieb Roger: On 10/19/2013 05:00 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: I think you all missed their point about wanting an install that has a longer lifespan. They're jumping ship from Debian, and avoiding Red Hat derived distros, because they all change versions too often, and abandon prior releases too quickly for them. I understand how they feel. that must be why RHEL/CentOS has a lifespan of 10 years Admittedly I am a novice in much of the reasoning about version changes but have long wondered why they bother when much of the new version could be just another update. Golly we update kernels and core apps with regularity. When it gets serious like moving from ext4 to btrfs or what ever it's called, now that would require version change but most version changes so far seem to be just updates. I have no wish to create a flame war or cop derogatory comment, my few cents worth is based on observation not study of code. and that is why different distributions exists but also on Fedora no update will ever change for filesystem * if you want no abusive changes but security updates and bugfixes use RHEL/CentOS * if you want a recent system with all drawbacks use Fedora and that is why i call the article idiocity: they mix Fedora and RHEL signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Can Fedora count it rpms?
Am 19.10.2013 22:28, schrieb Beartooth: I'm sitting here watching F19 try to downgrade itself to F18 which will end in a broken setup why in the world does someone *downgrade* a installed system which is not supported and after 2 months with F19 not nbeeded at all with screenful after screenful flashing by. I know that, if/when it completes, it will tell me how many rpms it means to change; what I want, though (out of admittedly idle curiosity), is the number of all the rpms on the whole machine. Is there a command for that?? rpm -qa | wc -l signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Can Fedora count it rpms?
Am 20.10.2013 23:58, schrieb Doug: On 10/20/2013 05:36 PM, Fred Erickson wrote: On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 15:45:05 + (UTC) Beartooth bearto...@comcast.net wrote: On Sat, 19 Oct 2013 21:36:01 +0100, John Horne wrote: rpm -qa | wc -l Thanks! That told me 2377; does this number seem plausible? [fred@athbox-f18 ~]$ rpm -qa | wc -l 2351 [fred@athbox-f18 ~]$ uname -r 3.11.4-101.fc18.x86_64 Note: I have developer packages and 3 desktops are installed. I don't know what this is counting--I must have missed the first post you only need to read the subject Anyway, I ran it in my pclos-kde-32, and go this: [doug@linux1 ~]$ rpm -qa | wc -l 2352 So what is it that I have 2352 of? installed packages? what about look at the output of rpm -qa without counting? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Can Fedora count it rpms?
Am 21.10.2013 00:03, schrieb Alchemist: 2013/10/21 Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net mailto:dmcgarr...@optonline.net On 10/20/2013 05:36 PM, Fred Erickson wrote: On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 15:45:05 + (UTC) Beartooth bearto...@comcast.net mailto:bearto...@comcast.net wrote: On Sat, 19 Oct 2013 21:36:01 +0100, John Horne wrote: rpm -qa | wc -l Thanks! That told me 2377; does this number seem plausible? [fred@athbox-f18 ~]$ rpm -qa | wc -l 2351 [fred@athbox-f18 ~]$ uname -r 3.11.4-101.fc18.x86_64 Note: I have developer packages and 3 desktops are installed. I don't know what this is counting--I must have missed the first post. Anyway, I ran it in my pclos-kde-32, and go this: [doug@linux1 ~]$ rpm -qa | wc -l 2352 So what is it that I have 2352 of? --doug grep out fc19 or fc18 or so Fedora N versions, for possible dublicates (in that case, next step package-cleanup) rpm -qa | grep fcN | wc -l why in the next step? this is a completly wrong advise, there maybe F18/F19 packages which are *not* dupes and so the grep shows nothing with value package-cleanup --dupes is your friend as well as package-cleanup --cleandupes signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: updates to 19
well, there are no updates in the stable repos for 5 days so what - not only days with updates are good days :-) Am 17.10.2013 20:56, schrieb Frank: On 17/10/13 11:54 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 17.10.2013 17:52, schrieb Frank: In checking my logs I have noticed there have not been any updates to Fedora 19 since October 12th. Or am I experiencing some sort of problem? what says yum clean all yum upgrade in a root shell? [root@localhost frank]# yum clean all yum upgrade Loaded plugins: langpacks, refresh-packagekit Cleaning repos: fedora google-chrome rpmfusion-free rpmfusion-free-updates : rpmfusion-free-updates-testing rpmfusion-nonfree rpmfusion-nonfree-updates : rpmfusion-nonfree-updates-testing updates updates-testing Cleaning up everything Loaded plugins: langpacks, refresh-packagekit fedora/19/i386/metalink | 21 kB 00:00:00 fedora | 4.2 kB 00:00:00 google-chrome| 951 B 00:00:00 rpmfusion-free | 3.3 kB 00:00:00 rpmfusion-free-updates | 3.3 kB 00:00:00 rpmfusion-free-updates-testing | 3.3 kB 00:00:00 rpmfusion-nonfree| 3.3 kB 00:00:00 rpmfusion-nonfree-updates| 3.3 kB 00:00:00 rpmfusion-nonfree-updates-testing| 3.3 kB 00:00:00 updates/19/i386/metalink | 19 kB 00:00:00 updates | 4.6 kB 00:00:00 updates-testing/19/i386/metalink | 19 kB 00:00:00 updates-testing | 4.6 kB 00:00:00 (1/6): fedora/19/i386/group_gz | 384 kB 00:00:01 updates-testing/19/i386/primar FAILED 00:00:33 ETA http://mirror.umd.edu/fedora/linux/updates/testing/19/i386/repodata/338234551c81c214c137211de56f4c0ceaff2982d09a70103f5828a31e032063-primary.sqlite.bz2: [Errno 14] HTTP Error 404 - Not Found Trying other mirror. (2/6): updates-testing/19/i386/group_gz | 385 kB 00:00:02 (3/6): updates-testing/19/i386/primary_db| 608 kB 00:00:01 (4/6): updates/19/i386/group_gz | 385 kB 00:00:03 (5/6): updates/19/i386/primary_db| 7.6 MB 00:00:13 (6/6): fedora/19/i386/primary_db | 15 MB 00:00:21 (1/17): google-chrome/primary| 1.9 kB 00:00:00 (2/17): rpmfusion-free/19/i386/group_gz | 1.6 kB 00:00:00 (3/17): rpmfusion-free-updates/19/i386/group_gz | 1.6 kB 00:00:00 (4/17): rpmfusion-nonfree/19/i386/group_gz | 991 B 00:00:00 (5/17): rpmfusion-free-updates-testing/19/i386/group_gz | 1.6 kB 00:00:00 (6/17): rpmfusion-nonfree-updates/19/i386/group_gz | 988 B 00:00:00 (7/17): rpmfusion-free-updates/19/i386/primary_db| 208 kB 00:00:00 (8/17): rpmfusion-free-updates-testing/19/i386/primary_db| 33 kB 00:00:00 (9/17): rpmfusion-nonfree/19/i386/primary_db | 131 kB 00:00:00 (10/17): rpmfusion-nonfree-updates-testing/19/i386/primary_db| 7.8 kB 00:00:00 (11/17): rpmfusion-free/19/i386/primary_db | 355 kB 00:00:01 (12/17): rpmfusion-nonfree-updates-testing/19/i386/group_gz | 996 B 00:00:00 (13/17): rpmfusion-nonfree-updates/19/i386/primary_db| 137 kB 00:00:00 updates-testing/19/i386/pkgtag FAILED http://mirror.umd.edu/fedora/linux/updates/testing/19/i386/repodata/pkgtags.sqlite.gz: [Errno 14] HTTP Error 404 - Not Found Trying other mirror. (14/17): updates-testing/19/i386/updateinfo | 72 kB 00:00:00 (15/17): updates/19/i386/pkgtags | 614 kB 00:00:01 (16/17): updates/19/i386/updateinfo | 782 kB 00:00:02 (17/17): updates-testing/19/i386/pkgtags | 614 kB 00:00:26 google-chrome 3/3 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users
Re: fedup
Am 18.10.2013 00:15, schrieb Richard Vickery: I'm doing another install because I lost access to the computer while attempting to find the mouse touchpad - another issue that I want to solve - and find that F19 doesn't ship with fedup; why not? It's so useful. while you typed this posting you could have also done yum install fedupENTER there are many thousand packages not installed as default, that's why yum is installed, finally the only things that need to work and be installed is networking and yum [root@srv-rhsoft:~]$ yum info fedup Loaded plugins: etckeeper, protectbase, tsflags 0 packages excluded due to repository protections Available Packages Name: fedup Arch: noarch Version : 0.7.3 Release : 4.fc19 Size: 68 k Repo: fedora/19/x86_64 Summary : The Fedora Upgrade tool URL : https://github.com/wgwoods/fedup License : GPLv2+ Description : fedup is the Fedora Upgrade tool signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora = the darker side of the Internet?
Am 18.10.2013 19:56, schrieb Bill Davidsen: Reindl Harald wrote: Am 11.10.2013 12:40, schrieb Tim: On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 00:00 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: But someone should tell them that there is plenty of light on RPM-land (considering they put Fedora, RHEL and CentOS in the same bag). I think you all missed their point about wanting an install that has a longer lifespan. They're jumping ship from Debian, and avoiding Red Hat derived distros, because they all change versions too often, and abandon prior releases too quickly for them. I understand how they feel. that must be why RHEL/CentOS has a lifespan of 10 years Yes, CentOS, et cetera, have long life span versions, too. But I haven't compared the length of theirs to the long term Ubuntu one. they also did not otherwise they would not write bullshit like they are happy about 5 years support while Redhat has 10 years and a extended support of 13 years https://www.google.at/search?q=rhel+lifecycle and click on the first link https://access.redhat.com/site/support/policy/updates/errata/ no idea why people who can't use Google all the time spread FUD if you already came from a Debian background, Ubuntu is a closer move than a Red Hat styled release. which has *nothing* to do with the darker side of the Internet it's a matter of expierience and qualification There are a lot of people who don't want experience and qualifications, they want to use the computer. I really find Mint is the ideal OS for them, rather than Fedora. people who are not interested in experience and qualifications are *not* forced to use a distribution with 2 major upgrades each year and i always wonder if poeple (like you stating you have still running FC6 and FC13 somewhere) are spent one minute to thunk what they are doing *before* they install whatever OS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: updates to 19
Am 17.10.2013 17:52, schrieb Frank: In checking my logs I have noticed there have not been any updates to Fedora 19 since October 12th. Or am I experiencing some sort of problem? logs? they are not installed automatically! so you should know if there where any what says yum clean all yum upgrade in a root shell? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
OpenSSL: ECDHE arrives in Fedora
i guess also relevant for users and not only devs we are in production from now on, god bless rpmbuild :-) please catch all package-specific RFE's here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1019390 history: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=319901#c108 nss-softokn (implicit also Firefox/Thunderbird in Fedora) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1019244 nss https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1019245 httpd: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1019251 dovecot: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1019253 postfix: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1019254 openssh: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1019256 dbmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1019259 libssh2: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1019333 kde-baseapps (Konqueror): https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1019337 TLS with Apache rebuild verified: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=812698 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora = the darker side of the Internet?
Am 11.10.2013 23:59, schrieb Reindl Harald: Am 11.10.2013 23:53, schrieb Bill Oliver: On Fri, 11 Oct 2013, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 11.10.2013 17:45, schrieb Bill Oliver: They offer CentOS and Fedora on their virtual machines. I use Fedora on my home machine, but switched to CentOS on the virtual machine because it's a hassle to frequently upgrade, and going from fedora 16 to 18 was impossible without reprovisioning the machine. because you can't skip a version i maintain around 20 production servers over years running with fedora and *all of them* where upgraded from F9 to F18 with yum as well the upgrade to F19 is tested and easy you only need to follow the instructions and in case of GRUB2 it is also easy and painless to move /boot in case you have a own virtual disk for it to get the needed free space hence you can even do this on one virtual machine and blow the dd-image including the partition table to the other machines if they are maintained well and have the same software based from the same golden master so no - it is *not* impossible Sigh. Yes, I know you have to go through 17 to get to 18, Mr. Harald. And, no, it's not just a matter of following instructions. In fact, almost nothing that requires significant technical skill is just a matter of following instructions. Arrogant savants forget the fact that they paid a lot of dues learning the little tricks that *aren't* in the instructions. Your tell, for instance, is that you brag about upgrading 20 machines from F9 to F18. You may not be willing to admit it, but I suspect *somewhere* in there, there were a few gliches. But, because you have done it a bunch of times, you know how to deal with them. That's very different that doing it for the first time. 2006 i switched from one day to another completly to Fedora this was short before FC6 was released, so my very first no fallback machine was installed with FC5 and two days later upgraded to FC6 and while 1.5 years later i started with production servers based on Fedora 9 i even skipped F9 and upgraded directly from F8 to F10 on desktop machines so *no* you do not need years of technical skills, learning by doing works and i forgot to mention that this very first machine with Fedora was my primary workstation with no fallback and upgraded from F5 to F11 until it died without a single time re-install from scratch, honestly i have never in my life re-installed a linux machine from scratch and move disks from old to new hardware - there exists *nothing* in case of booting a Linux system which can't be fixed with a Live-CD signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora = the darker side of the Internet?
Am 12.10.2013 08:54, schrieb Tim: Tim: That part of their message was *CLEARLY* humorous. Stephen Gallagher You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. I *keep* on using *what* word? the word clearly? where do you see the OP laughing? where do you see smilies in the artcile? your definition of clearly is *clearly* broken Original-Nachricht Betreff:Fedora = the darker side of the Internet? Datum: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 15:48:25 -0500 Von:linux.w...@gmail.com linux.w...@gmail.com Antwort an: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org An: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Seems like DreamHost considers Red Hat Fedora users second class citizens: http://www.dreamhost.com/dreamscape/2013/06/03/change-is-in-the-air-dreamhost-upgrades/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora = the darker side of the Internet?
Am 11.10.2013 23:53, schrieb Bill Oliver: On Fri, 11 Oct 2013, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 11.10.2013 17:45, schrieb Bill Oliver: They offer CentOS and Fedora on their virtual machines. I use Fedora on my home machine, but switched to CentOS on the virtual machine because it's a hassle to frequently upgrade, and going from fedora 16 to 18 was impossible without reprovisioning the machine. because you can't skip a version i maintain around 20 production servers over years running with fedora and *all of them* where upgraded from F9 to F18 with yum as well the upgrade to F19 is tested and easy you only need to follow the instructions and in case of GRUB2 it is also easy and painless to move /boot in case you have a own virtual disk for it to get the needed free space hence you can even do this on one virtual machine and blow the dd-image including the partition table to the other machines if they are maintained well and have the same software based from the same golden master so no - it is *not* impossible Sigh. Yes, I know you have to go through 17 to get to 18, Mr. Harald. And, no, it's not just a matter of following instructions. In fact, almost nothing that requires significant technical skill is just a matter of following instructions. Arrogant savants forget the fact that they paid a lot of dues learning the little tricks that *aren't* in the instructions. Your tell, for instance, is that you brag about upgrading 20 machines from F9 to F18. You may not be willing to admit it, but I suspect *somewhere* in there, there were a few gliches. But, because you have done it a bunch of times, you know how to deal with them. That's very different that doing it for the first time. 2006 i switched from one day to another completly to Fedora this was short before FC6 was released, so my very first no fallback machine was installed with FC5 and two days later upgraded to FC6 and while 1.5 years later i started with production servers based on Fedora 9 i even skipped F9 and upgraded directly from F8 to F10 on desktop machines so *no* you do not need years of technical skills, learning by doing works signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora = the darker side of the Internet?
Am 11.10.2013 12:40, schrieb Tim: On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 00:00 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: But someone should tell them that there is plenty of light on RPM-land (considering they put Fedora, RHEL and CentOS in the same bag). I think you all missed their point about wanting an install that has a longer lifespan. They're jumping ship from Debian, and avoiding Red Hat derived distros, because they all change versions too often, and abandon prior releases too quickly for them. I understand how they feel. that must be why RHEL/CentOS has a lifespan of 10 years Yes, CentOS, et cetera, have long life span versions, too. But I haven't compared the length of theirs to the long term Ubuntu one. they also did not otherwise they would not write bullshit like they are happy about 5 years support while Redhat has 10 years and a extended support of 13 years https://www.google.at/search?q=rhel+lifecycle and click on the first link https://access.redhat.com/site/support/policy/updates/errata/ no idea why people who can't use Google all the time spread FUD if you already came from a Debian background, Ubuntu is a closer move than a Red Hat styled release. which has *nothing* to do with the darker side of the Internet it's a matter of expierience and qualification signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora = the darker side of the Internet?
Am 10.10.2013 22:48, schrieb linux.w...@gmail.com: Seems like DreamHost considers Red Hat Fedora users second class citizens: http://www.dreamhost.com/dreamscape/2013/06/03/change-is-in-the-air-dreamhost-upgrades/ i can't see anything new there which is not bullshit and the end of the day - Ubuntu and Cannoncial does *nothing* at their own in case of the real infracstructure, shiny interfaces and NIH syndromes are nothing with worth signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora = the darker side of the Internet?
Am 11.10.2013 17:45, schrieb Bill Oliver: They offer CentOS and Fedora on their virtual machines. I use Fedora on my home machine, but switched to CentOS on the virtual machine because it's a hassle to frequently upgrade, and going from fedora 16 to 18 was impossible without reprovisioning the machine. because you can't skip a version i maintain around 20 production servers over years running with fedora and *all of them* where upgraded from F9 to F18 with yum as well the upgrade to F19 is tested and easy you only need to follow the instructions and in case of GRUB2 it is also easy and painless to move /boot in case you have a own virtual disk for it to get the needed free space hence you can even do this on one virtual machine and blow the dd-image including the partition table to the other machines if they are maintained well and have the same software based from the same golden master so no - it is *not* impossible signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Can,t start VirtualBox on F19
Am 08.10.2013 23:16, schrieb Owen Orakwue: I tried it and still got the same failure. Thanks. [root@localhost owen]# systemctl status dkms.service systemctl restart dkms.service dkms_autoinstaller.service - LSB: DKMS kernel modules installer service Loaded: loaded (/etc/rc.d/init.d/dkms_autoinstaller) Active: active (exited) since Tue 2013-10-08 17:04:02 EDT; 7min ago Process: 591 ExecStart=/etc/rc.d/init.d/dkms_autoinstaller start (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) [root@localhost owen]# service vboxdrv setup Stopping VirtualBox kernel modules [ OK ] Uninstalling old VirtualBox DKMS kernel modules[ OK ] Trying to register the VirtualBox kernel modules using DKMS[ OK ] Starting VirtualBox kernel modules [FAILED] (modprobe vboxdrv failed. Please use 'dmesg' to find out why) [root@localhost owen]# why don't you ever what output of errors suggest and post the results too - Please use 'dmesg' to find out why? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 19 Gnome 3 with Nvidia Geforce 5200
Am 08.10.2013 09:37, schrieb Michael D. Setzer II: I have a classroom that currently has Fedora 17, and tested a machine booting from the livecd via flash and the gnome3 worked? I then upgraded a machine to fedora 19, and gnome classic, KDE, and xfce work, but the gnome comes back with an error. The is also openbox, but it comes up with a blank screen, but clicking will bring up a menu and then seems to work? Gnome come up with this error, and goes back to the login screen. Oh no! Something has gone wrong. With a notebook had an issue, but setting up dmlight fixed that problem, but did the same here, and still same results. Note clear why the gnome 3 worked from the live image, but the fedup upgrade to 19 it doesn't? because the live image does not use the nvidia BLOB driver? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 19 Gnome 3 with Nvidia Geforce 5200
Am 08.10.2013 10:19, schrieb Michael D. Setzer II: Am 08.10.2013 09:37, schrieb Michael D. Setzer II: I have a classroom that currently has Fedora 17, and tested a machine booting from the livecd via flash and the gnome3 worked? I then upgraded a machine to fedora 19, and gnome classic, KDE, and xfce work, but the gnome comes back with an error. The is also openbox, but it comes up with a blank screen, but clicking will bring up a menu and then seems to work? Gnome come up with this error, and goes back to the login screen. Oh no! Something has gone wrong. With a notebook had an issue, but setting up dmlight fixed that problem, but did the same here, and still same results. Note clear why the gnome 3 worked from the live image, but the fedup upgrade to 19 it doesn't? because the live image does not use the nvidia BLOB driver? How would one get the fedup upgrade to not use the nvidia BLOB driver? What is the nvidia BLOB? the nvidia binary drivers - BLOB = binary large object Long ago, I had actually used the nvidia drivers, but they stopped supporting the cards many versions ago which you did not mention in your initial post do you have a xorg.conf? if yes try to delete it, recent linux setups do not need them signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Can,t start VirtualBox on F19
Am 08.10.2013 16:36, schrieb Owen Orakwue: I am getting the error message below on a Fredora 19 system when attempt to start VirualBox Any help will be greatly appreciated: Kernel driver not installed (rc=-1908) The VirtualBox Linux kernel driver (vboxdrv) is either not loaded or there is a permission problem with /dev/vboxdrv. Please reinstall the kernel module by executing '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup' you did *not* mention if you followed the advise type /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup in a root terminal signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Can,t start VirtualBox on F19
please do not top-post and use HTML on mailing-lists Am 08.10.2013 16:55, schrieb Owen Orakwue: -Original Message- From: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org; orakwueo orakw...@aol.com Sent: Tue, Oct 8, 2013 10:38 am Subject: Re: Can,t start VirtualBox on F19 Am 08.10.2013 16:36, schrieb Owen Orakwue: I am getting the error message below on a Fredora 19 system when attempt to start VirualBox Any help will be greatly appreciated: Kernel driver not installed (rc=-1908) The VirtualBox Linux kernel driver (vboxdrv) is either not loaded or there is a permission problem with /dev/vboxdrv. Please reinstall the kernel module by executing '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup' you did *not* mention if you followed the advise type /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup in a root terminal I did and it complained that |modprobe vboxdrv failed. And verified that 'vboxdrv' is not in /dev * which vbox version * package from rpmfusion or upstream most likely build of the kernel-module failed because too new kernel signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: duplicate rpm problem
Am 06.10.2013 23:07, schrieb Frank: While updating my Fedora 19 system today using check-update I discovered this: ** Found 1 pre-existing rpm db problem(s), 'yum check' output follows: cronie-1.4.10-7.fc19.i686 is a duplicate with cronie-1.4.10-6.fc19.i686 [root@localhost frank]# It seems a few weeks ago Yum attempted to update cronie. as I recall it failed because of a script problem in the package. I tried it a second time and seemingly it installed. But now I have the duplicate problem. What's the best way to resolve this ? simply remove the older one you should *at least* provide informations like rpm -qa | grep cronie _ man rpm man package-cleanup rpm -e --noscripts cronie-1.4.10-7.fc19.i686 yum reinstall cronie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: duplicate rpm problem
Am 06.10.2013 23:31, schrieb Frank: On 06/10/13 05:10 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: rpm -qa | grep cronie [root@localhost frank]# rpm -qa | grep cronie cronie-1.4.10-6.fc19.i686 cronie-anacron-1.4.10-7.fc19.i686 cronie-1.4.10-7.fc19.i686 [root@localhost frank]# Package cleanup didn't work What's next ??? i already said rpm -e --noscripts cronie-1.4.10-6.fc19.i686 yum reinstall cronie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: duplicate rpm problem
Am 06.10.2013 23:44, schrieb Frank: On 06/10/13 05:34 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 06.10.2013 23:31, schrieb Frank: On 06/10/13 05:10 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: rpm -qa | grep cronie [root@localhost frank]# rpm -qa | grep cronie cronie-1.4.10-6.fc19.i686 cronie-anacron-1.4.10-7.fc19.i686 cronie-1.4.10-7.fc19.i686 [root@localhost frank]# Package cleanup didn't work What's next ??? i already said rpm -e --noscripts cronie-1.4.10-6.fc19.i686 yum reinstall cronie Thaty didn't work either because cronie-anacron needs cronie installed. Trying to remove cronie-anacron would take out 152 megs of packages. what are you talking about? my command removes the *dupe* and nothing else nowhere did i say use yum! A suggestion from mschwendt worked which is exactly the same as i said with additional params but you referred to rpm-sripts and so --noscripts is the param for it (and why i mentioned man rpm to read and understand) hence the hammer would have been rpm -e --noscripts --nodeps cronie-1.4.10-6.fc19.i686 and in any case i recommended yum reinstall cronie *after* that to be 100% safe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: jaaa not working
Am 07.10.2013 21:49, schrieb Les Howell: I have installed JAAA, which should be an audio spectrum analyzer package. When I click on it, it doesn't open. No error message, nothing to indicate anything abnormal. Where would I look to figure out what kind of error is being generated? start it form a tmerinal and you get most likely helpful output at least helpful for others if you post it signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Accessing usb in text
Am 26.09.2013 05:48, schrieb Richard Vickery: On Sep 25, 2013 2:44 PM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us mailto:j...@zeff.us wrote: On 09/24/2013 09:32 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: I believe that I would need access to the computer's OS tomove to a CLI At boot, edit the kernel line in Grub, adding a 3 to the end. This will boot you into a CLI one time. I forget how to edit Grub: I thought editing was in /boot/grub and tried to vi grub.cfg finding an empty page... besides what Joe meant was at the *boot menu* selecting the entry and press e /boot/grub is *before* switch to GRUB2 with F17 /boot/grub2/grub.cfg that's why vi /booTABgrTABTABTAB does auto-completion https://www.google.at/search?q=fedora+grub+config first hit: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GRUB_2 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: desktop/server fedora versions
Am 25.09.2013 16:54, schrieb Robin Storch: Were the core Fedora versions (up to core 7) the server versions? Why are all the newer releases referred to as desktop versions? Are there server versions of the new releases somewhere? there is no difference you choose which packages you install and remove - done that's not windows where you do not have features in different editions signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Kernel 3.11 and VMware 9 -
Am 25.09.2013 18:31, schrieb Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA: Where can I find a patch to permit running VMware Workstation 9 with the most recent Fedora-19 Kernel? My effort with Google produced nothing I had confidence in. The VMware app. is convenient to use as well as expensive but I'm beginning to think it's not a good choice for those of us running Fedora. In the normal progression of updates kernel 3.11 will eventually fall off the list ... why do you ask the same question again already answered a few weeks ago? https://www.google.at/search?q=vmware+workstation+kernel+3.11 http://slackblogs.blogspot.co.at/2013/09/linux-kernel-311-vmware-workstation-and.html it's best to start with patches for Linux Kernel 3.10 which can be downloaded from my vmware-3.10 SlackHacks repository contains a link https://github.com/willysr/SlackHacks/tree/master/vmware/vmware-3.10 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Kernel 3.11 and VMware 9 -
Am 25.09.2013 22:17, schrieb Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA: On 25/09/13 16:06, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 25.09.2013 21:56, schrieb Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA: On 25/09/13 15:47, Reindl Harald wrote: what more do you need? I need to know how to download this patch: https://github.com/willysr/SlackHacks/blob/master/vmware/vmware-3.11/vmblock.3.11.patch Do I have to copy this into a text editor and create it? what about look at the page? there is a button RAW https://raw.github.com/willysr/SlackHacks/master/vmware/vmware-3.11/vmblock.3.11.patch Ok, RAW meant nothing to me. I see it now. Do I copy all of that into a file named vmblock-3.11.patch? I would like to do it right the first time around ... *i posted you even the command and you stripped it from the quote* the way how you act with help is cheeky because you always expect completly done solutions and even if you get them served you are too lazy to look around * terminal * wget url [harry@srv-rhsoft:/downloads]$ wget https://raw.github.com/willysr/SlackHacks/master/vmware/vmware-3.11/vmblock.3.11.patch --2013-09-25 22:06:04-- https://raw.github.com/willysr/SlackHacks/master/vmware/vmware-3.11/vmblock.3.11.patch Resolving raw.github.com (raw.github.com)... 185.31.16.133 Connecting to raw.github.com (raw.github.com)|185.31.16.133|:443... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 2433 (2.4K) [text/plain] Saving to: 'vmblock.3.11.patch' signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Kernel 3.11 and VMware 9 -
Am 25.09.2013 21:43, schrieb Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA: On 25/09/13 13:55, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 25.09.2013 18:31, schrieb Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA: Where can I find a patch to permit running VMware Workstation 9 with the most recent Fedora-19 Kernel? My effort with Google produced nothing I had confidence in. The VMware app. is convenient to use as well as expensive but I'm beginning to think it's not a good choice for those of us running Fedora. In the normal progression of updates kernel 3.10 will eventually fall off the list ... why do you ask the same question again already answered a few weeks ago? Because we are dealing with 3.11 now, that you understand. The patch you suggested for 3.10 works fine but all I could find is this Slackware patch and I wasn't certain it was applicable to fedora-19/64 bit, apparently you are saying it is? Good! However I have not found how to download the patch and I'm stuck there. If you can explain how to do that I will install it. i posted you the link, you only need to read and follow https://www.google.at/search?q=vmware+workstation+kernel+3.11 http://slackblogs.blogspot.co.at/2013/09/linux-kernel-311-vmware-workstation-and.html there is a blue text vmware-3.11 SlackHacks Repository which is also a link https://github.com/willysr/SlackHacks/tree/master/vmware/vmware-3.11 and there is a instruction: 1. cd /usr/lib/vmware/modules/source 2. tar xvf vmblock.tar 3. cd vmblock-only 4. patch -p1 /path/to/vmblock-3.11.patch 5. cd .. 6. tar cvf vmblock.tar vmblock-only/ 7. vmware-modconfig --console --install-all what more do you need? and yes, it works Sep 14 18:58:13 Installed: kernel-3.11.1-200.fc19.x86_64 [root@srv-rhsoft:~]$ vmrun HOST: srv-rhsoft.rhsoft.net Total running VMs: 2 /mnt/data/fileserver/vmware/testserver/config.vmx /mnt/data/fileserver/vmware/arrakis/arrakis.vmx signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Kernel 3.11 and VMware 9 -
Am 25.09.2013 21:56, schrieb Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA: On 25/09/13 15:47, Reindl Harald wrote: what more do you need? I need to know how to download this patch: https://github.com/willysr/SlackHacks/blob/master/vmware/vmware-3.11/vmblock.3.11.patch Do I have to copy this into a text editor and create it? what about look at the page? there is a button RAW https://raw.github.com/willysr/SlackHacks/master/vmware/vmware-3.11/vmblock.3.11.patch [harry@srv-rhsoft:/downloads]$ wget https://raw.github.com/willysr/SlackHacks/master/vmware/vmware-3.11/vmblock.3.11.patch --2013-09-25 22:06:04-- https://raw.github.com/willysr/SlackHacks/master/vmware/vmware-3.11/vmblock.3.11.patch Resolving raw.github.com (raw.github.com)... 185.31.16.133 Connecting to raw.github.com (raw.github.com)|185.31.16.133|:443... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 2433 (2.4K) [text/plain] Saving to: 'vmblock.3.11.patch' signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Mysql error with fedora 16
please do *not* post HT;L ot mailing-lists at least not with animated graphics Am 24.09.2013 15:18, schrieb Prashanth Kasula: Can any one help me with the below error, as i am getting trouble with mysql fedora 16 Fedora 16 is out of support long time ago [root@KM-WS151 etc]# systemctl status Too few arguments. [root@KM-WS151 etc]# systemctl ^Cart mysqld.service [root@KM-WS151 etc]# systemctl status mysqld.service Mysqld.service - MySQL database server Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/mysqld.service; disabled) Active: failed since Tue, 24 Sep 2013 18:36:42 +0530; 2min 3s ago Process: 3284 ExecStartPost=/usr/libexec/mysqld-wait-ready $MAINPID (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) Process: 3283 ExecStart=/usr/bin/mysqld_safe --basedir=/usr (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Process: 3260 ExecStartPre=/usr/libexec/mysqld-prepare-db-dir %n (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) CGroup: name=systemd:/system/mysqld.service you need to look at the mysqld log why it does not start as well you need to provide infos if this is a new install, if it is a new one why you are starting with a unsupported OS and if it is a existing one what did you do before the error started signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Mysql error with fedora 16
Am 24.09.2013 15:59, schrieb Fernando Cassia: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Prashanth Kasula prashanthkas...@gmail.com mailto:prashanthkas...@gmail.com wrote: mysqld.service; disabled The mysqld service is disabled, as the error message indicates *what* are you talking about? a service does *not* need to be enable dto get manually started and as you can see in the output it *failed* to start Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/mysqld.service; disabled) Active: failed since Tue, 24 Sep 2013 18:36:42 +0530; 2min 3s ago Process: 3284 ExecStartPost=/usr/libexec/mysqld-wait-ready $MAINPID (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) without this useless list-moderation you clould have saved you unhelpful answer by the way. Original-Nachricht Betreff: Re: Mysql error with fedora 16 Datum: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 15:33:27 +0200 Von: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net Organisation: the lounge interactive design An: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org, prashanthkas...@gmail.com please do *not* post HTML on mailing-lists at least not with animated graphics Am 24.09.2013 15:18, schrieb Prashanth Kasula: Can any one help me with the below error, as i am getting trouble with mysql fedora 16 Fedora 16 is out of support long time ago [root@KM-WS151 etc]# systemctl status Too few arguments. [root@KM-WS151 etc]# systemctl ^Cart mysqld.service [root@KM-WS151 etc]# systemctl status mysqld.service Mysqld.service - MySQL database server Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/mysqld.service; disabled) Active: failed since Tue, 24 Sep 2013 18:36:42 +0530; 2min 3s ago Process: 3284 ExecStartPost=/usr/libexec/mysqld-wait-ready $MAINPID (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) Process: 3283 ExecStart=/usr/bin/mysqld_safe --basedir=/usr (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Process: 3260 ExecStartPre=/usr/libexec/mysqld-prepare-db-dir %n (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) CGroup: name=systemd:/system/mysqld.service you need to look at the mysqld log why it does not start as well you need to provide infos if this is a new install, if it is a new one why you are starting with a unsupported OS and if it is a existing one what did you do before the error started signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: myslqd (what is your problem)
what is your problem in thinking you need to start the same thread *three* times? look in your mysqld log as said in my first offlist-CC because this useless moderation and *do not* post the same question again and again within a few hours - this is no payed support center Am 24.09.2013 16:11, schrieb Prashanth Kasula: Hi Can anybody help me in this regard Error: mysqld.service - MySQL database server Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/mysqld.service; disabled) Active: failed since Tue, 24 Sep 2013 18:36:42 +0530; 1h 2min ago Process: 3284 ExecStartPost=/usr/libexec/mysqld-wait-ready $MAINPID (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) [root@KM-WS151 ~]# service mysqld status Redirecting to /bin/systemctl status mysqld.service mysqld.service - MySQL database server Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/mysqld.service; disabled) Active: failed since Tue, 24 Sep 2013 18:36:42 +0530; 1h 2min ago Process: 3284 ExecStartPost=/usr/libexec/mysqld-wait-ready $MAINPID (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) Process: 3283 ExecStart=/usr/bin/mysqld_safe --basedir=/usr (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Process: 3260 ExecStartPre=/usr/libexec/mysqld-prepare-db-dir %n (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) CGroup: name=systemd:/system/mysqld.service signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Mysql error with fedora 16
Am 24.09.2013 16:32, schrieb Fernando Cassia: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Prashanth Kasula prashanthkas...@gmail.com mailto:prashanthkas...@gmail.com wrote: Can any one help me with the below error, as i am getting trouble with mysql fedora 16 Maybe the following has clues. (see first response). http://superuser.com/questions/384365/systemctl-enable-differs-from-systemctl-start-how Hope this helps *why* do you *not* read before you reply? Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/mysqld.service; disabled) *lodaded* but disabled, disabled does *not* matter in that context Process: 3284 ExecStartPost=/usr/libexec/mysqld-wait-ready $MAINPID (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE *failed* so no systemd/systemctl magic does not help a lot someone needs to look in the mysqld log most likely some outdated config option is set did you ever use MySQL really? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Is there a Fedora equivalent to Ubuntu's Linux-Image-Virtual kernel?
Am 24.09.2013 18:59, schrieb Fernando Cassia: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:02 PM, poma pomidorabelis...@gmail.com wrote: Fedora's current kernels are universal, at least official ones. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Virtualization/History I was thinking of ways to get a slightly better performance when running Fedora virtualized under a Windows host, and using Virtualbox, not Xen they other direction works better why? a linux OS with a modern filesystem can not do much on top of NTFS and other design mistakes in windows - in the other direction the Linux host can do much because it controls the hardware and scheduler signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Is there a Fedora equivalent to Ubuntu's Linux-Image-Virtual kernel?
Am 24.09.2013 17:37, schrieb Fernando Cassia: Is there a virtualized guest kernel for Fedora as there is Linux-Image-Virtual for Ubuntu? http://askubuntu.com/questions/257416/what-are-practical-advantages-of-using-linux-image-virtual-kernel no it's not worth the maintaince burden because the only difference is the install size - kernel drivers are modules and not loaded loaded modules froma production server (exluded iptables because they are unusual high here due our FW rules) vmw_balloon13415 0 vmxnet349572 0 vmw_vmci 61726 0 crc32_pclmul 13113 0 crc32c_intel 22079 0 ghash_clmulni_intel13259 0 vmw_pvscsi 22858 7 crc32_pclmul, crc32c_intel and ghash_clmulni_intel are Intel AES-NI releated signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: MySQL database server
Am 24.09.2013 16:19, schrieb Frank Murphy: On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 19:41:09 +0530 Prashanth Kasula prashanthkas...@gmail.com wrote: MySQL database server try systemctl enable mysqld.service then systemctl enable mysqld.service then run systemctl status mysqld.service and see if it purring what should this change in the fact it *failed* to start Am 24.09.2013 16:22, schrieb poma: $ /usr/libexec/mysqld --version /usr/libexec/mysqld Ver 5.5.32-MariaDB for Linux on x86_64 (MariaDB Server) $ journalctl --version systemd 204 +PAM +LIBWRAP +AUDIT +SELINUX +IMA +SYSVINIT +LIBCRYPTSETUP +GCRYPT +ACL +XZ $ su -c journalctl -b -u mysqld does output *what* in your case? nothing i guess because it does not use syslog/journald besides the fact that this guy is posting about F16 as you can see in his other threads about the same problem started and there is no MariaDB it does *not* log to syslog so someone has to look in the mysqld daemon log can people which have no clue please stop to respond with generic answers? BTW: without this dumb list moderation which makes more harm than it ever could solve there would have been a lot less useless replies signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Mysql error with fedora 16
Am 24.09.2013 16:49, schrieb Fernando Cassia: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net mailto:h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: did you ever use MySQL really? Through phpMyAdmin, yes. It saves me from nasty errors and lecturers like you and phpmyAdmin does setup and configure mysqld for you? i doubt - and so if you never did anything more than yum install do not answer questions where start fails which is pretty clear in the output what happened in this thread is stop reading after the first line of output and anser wild guessing - not helpful Am 24.09.2013 16:44, schrieb Fernando Cassia: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net mailto:h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: *why* do you *not* read before you reply? Apologies, I will leave informative replies up to you. Consider myself a lurker from now on Process: 3284 ExecStartPost=/usr/libexec/mysqld-wait-ready $MAINPID (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) sorry, but status=1/FAILURE is so pretty clear that any reply in the thread shows random guessing until now signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Is there a Fedora equivalent to Ubuntu's Linux-Image-Virtual kernel?
Am 24.09.2013 19:42, schrieb Fernando Cassia: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net mailto:h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: a linux OS with a modern filesystem can not do much on top of NTFS and other design mistakes in windows It's used for CPU bound tasks with network and USB I/O not very much hard disk i/o also the COU is *far* better utilized by Linux search for Kernel AVX http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTI1Njc also on newest Intel CPU's http://lwn.net/Articles/534758/ in case of hardware support Windows is laughable compared The thinner the Linux kernel, the better, I think, ie framebuffer video, for starters the kernel *is* thin besides disk space the not loaded/used modules doe snot matter so no, in case of pure peformance it does not matter signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Update Dependancies broken for the past few days.
Am 22.09.2013 23:57, schrieb Dan Thurman: # dnf upgrade --exclude=kernel\* dnf *upgrade* or dnf update? doe smost likely not matter because you can also use yum update or yum upgrade which is in no case a dist-upgrade (would be yum --releasever=version distro-sync) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: ssh - server-target
Am 23.09.2013 17:35, schrieb bruce: testing priv/pub keys... working on a local server, behind firewall, with it's own dhcp ip. the external wan ip is not the same as the internal ip. create the priv/pub key for the local server the normal ssh u...@target.com works change the local eth0 ipaddress... rerun the ssh u...@target.com works as expected... so, changing local eth0/ipaddress doesn't require changing the priv/pub keypair however, the one thing I haven't tested, is to be able to change the external ipaddress of either the local/target server.. I'm of the opinion that this wouldn't change the priv/pub key, but I might be missing something.. keys have in general nothing to do with the IP you only have to confirm once again the host-key if you are connecting from a notebook and the target IP is different signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: ssh - config setup file conflict??
Am 23.09.2013 16:06, schrieb bruce: Testing out setting up ssh - using priv/pub keys The test config file cat /home/foo/.ssh/config HostName 192.168.5.18 User foo IdentityFile /home/foo/id_rsa_foo i can ssh foo@192.168.5.18 with no issue, works as it should however, any other ssh is also intercepted by the config file.. ie ssh abc@123.456 comes back with a ssh: connect to host 192.168.5.18 port 50122: Connection refused but if i do a ssh -i id_rsa_foo abc@123.456 the connection is accepted/connects you simply need to make default settings and get rid of HostName this below works for a lot of target-machines to specifiy different ports, compression configs and so on Host * IdentityFile ~/.ssh/id_dsa Host 192.168.5.18 User foo IdentityFile /home/foo/id_rsa_foo signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 18 internet
Am 23.09.2013 17:46, schrieb Jean Maupertuis: I use Geneweb on my computer for genealogy without problem for 5 years ago. i don't update it today but now when i modify an ancestor a i have a message the connexion is reset. Same problem with firefox and chrome so your ISP/router/switch has troubles general problem or MTU ping is good the few bytes of a ping are worhtless to test more than a basic connection signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: USB memory stick - where?
Am 20.09.2013 14:35, schrieb Timothy Murphy: If I install a memory stick in a Fedora-19 laptop, is there a simple command that will tell me where it is on the filesystem, eg /dev/sdb1 ? I know I can find this indirectly, but is there eg a switch to lsusb that will tell me? df signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: firewalld equivalent of iptabled --sport?
the question was *sport* not dport sport == source port (remote client) dport == target port (your machine running iptables) Am 19.09.2013 16:46, schrieb Shelby, James: I believe the syntax is: firewall-cmd --permanent --add-port 5002/udp From: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Richard Shaw [hobbes1...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:40 AM To: Community support for Fedora users Subject: firewalld equivalent of iptabled --sport? I have a HDHomeRun (network based TV tuner) on my home network. In order to get it to work I had to add the following to my iptables config: -A INPUT -m state --state NEW -m udp -p udp --sport 5002 -j ACCEPT -A INPUT -m state --state NEW -m udp -p udp --sport 5004 -j ACCEPT -A INPUT -m state --state NEW -m udp -p udp --sport 65001 -j ACCEPT Which from my limited knowledge of how iptables work, is the opposite of what you usually do for most services (--dport) because in this case the the return port is random. I have not been able to find any setting in firewall-config or in the documentation that mentions source ports, only destination ports. If this is not possible it would appear to be a fairly large flaw in firewalld in general signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: USB memory stick - where?
Am 20.09.2013 14:57, schrieb Mihai T. Lazarescu: On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 02:38:05PM +0200, ppq wrote: Am 20.09.2013 14:35, schrieb Timothy Murphy: If I install a memory stick in a Fedora-19 laptop, is there a simple command that will tell me where it is on the filesystem, eg /dev/sdb1 ? I know I can find this indirectly, but is there eg a switch to lsusb that will tell me? lsblk is quite useful Great, thanks! I was wondering if there was no better way than dmesg | tail... :-) in case of unmounted devices (what DE on a notebook does not support to mount it with one cick?) lsscsi will most likely be the best option because you see the devicetype lsblk is not much helpful in case of many devices [root@srv-rhsoft:~]$ lsscsi [0:0:0:0]diskATA ST2000NM0011 SN02 /dev/sda [1:0:0:0]diskATA ST2000NM0011 SN02 /dev/sdb [2:0:0:0]diskATA WDC WD2002FAEX-0 05.0 /dev/sdc [3:0:0:0]diskATA WDC WD2003FYYS-0 01.0 /dev/sdd [6:0:0:0]diskGeneric- Compact Flash1.00 /dev/sde [6:0:0:1]diskGeneric- SM/xD-Picture1.00 /dev/sdf [6:0:0:2]diskGeneric- SD/MMC 1.00 /dev/sdg [6:0:0:3]diskGeneric- MS/MS-Pro/HG 1.00 /dev/sdh [6:0:0:4]diskGeneric- SD/MMC/MS/MSPRO 1.00 /dev/sdi signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Rescue Disk
Am 21.09.2013 00:03, schrieb Robert McBroom: Do any of the spins have a rescue mode in the trouble shooting menu? The KDE Spin does not. I do not see a rescue .iso disk in the mirrors. I've scrambled grub2 on my boot partition what more do you need than grub2-install /dev/your-partition out from the live-CD? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: yum repo help needed
Am 20.09.2013 22:59, schrieb Mike Wright: I have an very old and cranky laptop that won't install past f14, used mostly as a scanner/print station. I'm trying to update some of its software using yum. I created a repo, fedora-archive.repo: [archive] name=Fedora 14 - i386 failovermethod=priority baseurl=http://archives.fedoraproject.org/pub/archive/fedora/linux/releases/14/Fedora/i386/os/ enabled=1 metadata_expire=7d gpgcheck=1 Given this command: yum --disablerepo=* --enablerepo=fedora-archive.repo update -y fails with: Error getting repository data for fedora-archive.repo, repository not found. The baseurl is accessible and does point to a repo and you did run the command createrepo inside the folder? yum needs the repo-metadata and not only a folder with packages signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: port forwarding
Am 20.09.2013 22:39, schrieb bruce:
I'd like to be able to change the ip adress of the gearman processes
from localhost, to the actual ipaddress of the machine. This of course
involves changing the port forwarding from the client to the server
machine.
Thoughts/Comments would be useful
simple with a systemd-unit which also survives a reboot of the target machine
because the command in ExecStart (which is *one* line inclduing the port
22 of the forwarded service, in this case SSH of a internal machine)
will fail in that case and the SSH command is executed 60 seconds later
/etc/sysconfig/forwarding contains the IP-address where the forwarding
should listen instead 127.0.0.1, done this way because there is a fallback
machine, more than one such services and so the systemd-units can be re-used
the result in short is 192.168.0.35:11025 is the forwarded 192.168.1.15:22
192.168.0.0/24 is a different subnet than 192.168.1.0/24, the numbers are
generic to not disclose network-configurations, the files below are
from a live-machine in all other parts
[root@localhost:~]$ cat /etc/sysconfig/forwarding
LOCAL_ADDRESS=192.168.0.35
[root@localhost:~]$ cat /etc/systemd/system/forward-fileserver.service
[Unit]
Description=SSH-Forwarding Fileserver
After=network.service openvpn.service hostapd.service
network-wlan-bridge.service network-bonding-bridge.service
[Service]
Type=simple
EnvironmentFile=/etc/sysconfig/forwarding
ExecStart=/usr/bin/ssh -i /home/ssh-gateway/.ssh/id_rsa
ssh-gateway@192.168.1.15 -N -C
-L${LOCAL_ADDRESS}:11025:127.0.0.1:22
Restart=always
RestartSec=60
TimeoutSec=30
CapabilityBoundingSet=CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE CAP_DAC_OVERRIDE
[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target
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Re: yum repo help needed
Am 21.09.2013 00:04, schrieb Mike Wright: 09/20/2013 02:47 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: Btw, I do wonder why this laptop will not install past F14what is the problem? No idea. Would not install f12 either. Liked f10 this is *not* a helpful reply what no idea? how far do you come with the install? did you try text-only mode? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Rescue Disk
Am 21.09.2013 06:21, schrieb Robert McBroom: On 09/20/2013 06:06 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 21.09.2013 00:03, schrieb Robert McBroom: Do any of the spins have a rescue mode in the trouble shooting menu? The KDE Spin does not. I do not see a rescue .iso disk in the mirrors. I've scrambled grub2 on my boot partition what more do you need than grub2-install /dev/your-partition out from the live-CD? Multi boot system with Win7, /boot is /dev/sda5 as the first logical partition of a extended partition on a 2T drive since the Win7 system could be shrunk without disturbing it. The root partition is /dev/sda6. Before I've started a rescue system and used a sequence similar to mount /dev/sda6 /mnt/Fed19 mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/Fed19/boot chroot /mnt/Fed19 mount -o remount -rw / mount -t proc proc /proc grub2-install /dev/sda and grub2-install would get the system layout from /etc/fstab amd what of that you can't do with a Live-OS? the recuse mode is nothing magical the Live-OS is a *full featured* Linux with even yum working signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Kernel 3.11 BTRFS: system doesn't boot
Am 21.09.2013 12:52, schrieb Manuel Escudero: I have a problem with BTRFS and Kernel 3.11, all the info, images, logs and more are available in my question at #Askfedora Can anyone help me? http://ask.fedoraproject.org/question/32716/kernel-311-btrfs-system-doesnt-boot/ you say 3.10.x and 3.12 works - what help do you imagine? use one of the working kernels and write a bugreport https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Fedora after that most likely the next 3.11 will also work and most likely also without a bugreport because 3.12 works and so whatever causes the problem is fixed signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 19, KDE 4.11.1, no login screen
Am 21.09.2013 16:39, schrieb andrea: I've just updated F19 and after reboot I do not get the usual kdm login screen. The graphic screen with the F stays there forever. I can login in text mode and run 'startx' and I get to the normal KDE session. Looking at the logs I only noticed [FAILED] Wait for Plymouh Boot Screen to quit and in /var/log/messages there is something about Sep 21 15:24:35 localhost kdm[335]: plymouth --ping - 0 Sep 21 15:24:35 localhost kdm[335]: plymouth is running ... Sep 21 15:24:35 localhost kdm[335]: plymouth deactivate - 0 Sep 21 15:24:35 localhost kdm[335]: plymouth --has-active-vt - 0 Sep 21 15:24:35 localhost kdm[335]: plymouth should quit when server starts Sep 21 15:24:36 localhost kdm[335]: plymouth is active on VT 1, reusing for :0 Sep 21 15:24:36 localhost kdm[335]: X server startup timeout, terminating Sep 21 15:24:36 localhost kdm[335]: X server for display :0 cannot be started, session disabled add the following params to the kernel line rd.plymouth=0 plymouth.enable=0 somewhere at start of the boot process you need to press a key or whatever to see the grub-menu at all because smart people decided it is more beautiful to hide basic things from users signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Ananconda on 19
Am 21.09.2013 16:35, schrieb poma: On 21.09.2013 15:57, Phil Dobbin wrote: Hi, all. I've just tried to install Fedora 19 over the top of CentOS I.(e. erasing Centos) I can't figure out how to do it. There's no option for erase install as with other distros. Could anybody point me in the right direction? Cheers, Phil... Can you point us in the right direction? :) It's not so clear what and with what you want to do install what is not clear in Anaconda? it's the Fedora installer well, with F18 the whole thing was rewritten and hase a complete different UI - look on the whole screen for possible switches to display extended options there is for sure somewhere manual partitioning luckily never faced Anaconda past F14 - god save yum upgrades signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Ananconda on 19
Am 21.09.2013 17:10, schrieb Phil Dobbin: On 09/21/2013 03:55 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 21.09.2013 16:35, schrieb poma: On 21.09.2013 15:57, Phil Dobbin wrote: Hi, all. I've just tried to install Fedora 19 over the top of CentOS I.(e. erasing Centos) I can't figure out how to do it. There's no option for erase install as with other distros. Could anybody point me in the right direction? Cheers, Phil... Can you point us in the right direction? :) It's not so clear what and with what you want to do install what is not clear in Anaconda? it's the Fedora installer well, with F18 the whole thing was rewritten and hase a complete different UI - look on the whole screen for possible switches to display extended options there is for sure somewhere manual partitioning luckily never faced Anaconda past F14 - god save yum upgrades Most of the manual options are greyed out are pretty useless AFAIK you need to answer a few questions in the installer to get different options enabled - no idea what all the developers talking about modern human interfaces are smoking I suppose I could re-install 17 upgrade via yum to 18 then 19 from there but it's a hell of way to do things IMO would be a solution I suppose the netinstall is the way to go... you can also make a minimal install with the DVD and so following dist-upgrades with yum are tiny and fast - i had to do this somewhere around F17 because the F17 installer insisted in GPT crap and di not allow me to manually specify teh 3 RAID paritions i wanted - after it was solved i found somewhere the kernel-param to disable the GPT nonsense nobody needs on 1 TB drives if you completly want to delete the existing CentOS boot the LiveCD and opena tmerinal su - - yum install gparted - make the partitioning at your own - i am working this way for more than 10 years because i never trusted *nay* os-installer enough to play around with my partitions except on blank machines signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Ananconda on 19
Am 21.09.2013 19:51, schrieb poma: On 21.09.2013 16:42, Phil Dobbin wrote: However there is no option to install over CentOS to utilise the whole disk that I could see anyway no matter what I try. I want to erase CentOS completely just have Fedora on the disk. There is, not only you can delete the complete partition layout and create a new one, but you can pass with reformatting only. However to be sure of what we're really talking about, what exact version of the CentOS is that *argh* read before reply version of the CentOS is that doe snot matter if someone want to kill it completly and replace it with Fedora 19, thanks to moderation i think the problem is sorted out off-list in the meantime his problem is the still broken shiny Anaconda and while i know every piece of my Linux systems Anaconda is the only piece of software i try to avoid to any price i have to pay not face it signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: hidden GRUB menu - Re: Suspension problem last 2 days
Am 22.09.2013 17:36, schrieb drago01: On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 3:21 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 22.09.2013 02:52, schrieb Ed Greshko: On 09/22/13 08:39, Timothy Murphy wrote: Ed Greshko wrote: I've been having a problem on my Thinkpad T61 for the last 2 days. In fact since yum update installed kernel-PAE-3.11.1-200.fc19.i686, though that is probably a coincidence. Would it be possible to boot into the previous kernel to verify if it is a coincidence? I'm afraid I'm not sure how to do that. I'd be happy to try if someone could suggest the way. When you boot your system, don't you have a menu to select up to 3 kernels? and that is why i cried on @devel about the idea to hide the GRUB menu as default Err you know that we do *not* hide the grub menu in F19? no - because i do not care about Fedora defaults in many cases for my machines If anything you have just proven that just because the menu is shown people will not automatically know what the options there mean. no - it is proven that even if it is there it's hard to understand hide it does not make this better So can you stop crying about the idea to hide the GRUB menu as(by) default now? no, simply because if it is hard to move the cursor down in a already displayed menu for some users you can be sure that they never have a chance to learn about the existing older kernel by hide it if the affected machine is their only one they also have no chance to ask for help and are lost P.S.: do not give thunderbird a negative karma because some extension is not updated / rebuilt, file a bugreport for the extension! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
hidden GRUB menu - Re: Suspension problem last 2 days
Am 22.09.2013 02:52, schrieb Ed Greshko: On 09/22/13 08:39, Timothy Murphy wrote: Ed Greshko wrote: I've been having a problem on my Thinkpad T61 for the last 2 days. In fact since yum update installed kernel-PAE-3.11.1-200.fc19.i686, though that is probably a coincidence. Would it be possible to boot into the previous kernel to verify if it is a coincidence? I'm afraid I'm not sure how to do that. I'd be happy to try if someone could suggest the way. When you boot your system, don't you have a menu to select up to 3 kernels? and that is why i cried on @devel about the idea to hide the GRUB menu as default now we have exactly what i said will happen: users in trouble does not know how to boot the still installed older kernel because they never learned that there are more than one because they never faced it as all the years before developers these days forgot how we learned things in the early days and that wil always be the price if you give up good technical solutions for a more shiny look which does only interest if this are going well signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: hidden GRUB menu - Re: Suspension problem last 2 days
Am 22.09.2013 18:00, schrieb drago01: On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 22.09.2013 17:36, schrieb drago01: On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 3:21 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 22.09.2013 02:52, schrieb Ed Greshko: On 09/22/13 08:39, Timothy Murphy wrote: Ed Greshko wrote: I've been having a problem on my Thinkpad T61 for the last 2 days. In fact since yum update installed kernel-PAE-3.11.1-200.fc19.i686, though that is probably a coincidence. Would it be possible to boot into the previous kernel to verify if it is a coincidence? I'm afraid I'm not sure how to do that. I'd be happy to try if someone could suggest the way. When you boot your system, don't you have a menu to select up to 3 kernels? and that is why i cried on @devel about the idea to hide the GRUB menu as default Err you know that we do *not* hide the grub menu in F19? no - because i do not care about Fedora defaults in many cases for my machines You seem to care enough to write mails about it. yes, becuase i am not that asshole some think and care about others i wish the future users have the same chance to learn things as i had in the past If anything you have just proven that just because the menu is shown people will not automatically know what the options there mean. no - it is proven that even if it is there it's hard to understand hide it does not make this better Showing an option that people do not understand does not solve anything. then *explain* the menu instead hide it So can you stop crying about the idea to hide the GRUB menu as(by) default now? no, simply because if it is hard to move the cursor down in a already displayed menu for some users you can be sure that they never have a chance to learn about the existing older kernel by hide it You should not have to learn what a kernel is to be able to use your computer this makes no sense why do you have to learn it? because there is a menu giving you options? does this menu *force* someobody to learn? how would it be able to demand anything from a user? I am pretty sure you disagree here but we should just agree to disagree instead of having a useless discussion. if Fedora Core would have had the same attitude than today i would never have switched to Linux completly - this boot option where people say nobody needs to see it saved my first machine and a lot of time for me because it did not boot after a kernel update and so i took the only working thing: a menu at begin i agree in a perfect world you would not need it but this perfect world doe snot exist but you are not in the position than *anybody* else to guarantee that a kernel update will never have regresions, not now and not in the future if the affected machine is their only one they also have no chance to ask for help and are lost P.S.: do not give thunderbird a negative karma because some extension is not updated / rebuilt, file a bugreport for the extension! OT but no. If an update introduces broken deps it should not be pushed until they are resolved. Giving negative karma here is common practice not common, bad practice at least in that case signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Goa daemon eats all my cpu
Am 21.09.2013 22:51, schrieb William Murray: Go daemon keeps grabbing 100% of my cpu. I don't really know what it is, good tells me it is something to do with online accounts (which I never use). Is there some way to tame it? Or any way to switch it off completely? who did it switch on? what package is it? why is it installed? in other words: output of ps aux and if possible package if it is really a daemon - systemctl list-units | grep service systemctl disable whatever.service systemctl stop whatever.service signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: hidden GRUB menu - Re: Suspension problem last 2 days
Am 22.09.2013 18:30, schrieb Jan Kratochvil: On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 18:24:45 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 22.09.2013 18:13, schrieb Jan Kratochvil: My grandfather still believes those are multiple _different_ Fedora installations, each having different games/files. As he has also CentOS menu item there having multiple Fedora items is just too much for him. explain it to him I have tried many times for many years but he still insists on it. * because i saw the menu from the very first beginning * because doing nothing the next boot-step after that menu failed * so what did i: look waht happens if i chosse something other from the menu There is never a perfect solution, everything has its pros and cons. yes and the chance having a unbootable system has more cons So it could wait for 5 secs, just displaying a message Hit SHIFT to display a boot menu.. That hopefully should not confuse users while it would still help you to solve your problem place a descriptive text *above* the menu and display it as default would be the best one, but i guess pragmatic solutions edcuating users are not the ones developers these days perfer wondering from which tress in 10 years the advanced users will fall if all advanced options are more and more hidden beause the could confuse somebody signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: hidden GRUB menu - Re: Suspension problem last 2 days
Am 22.09.2013 18:13, schrieb Jan Kratochvil: On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 03:21:32 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: now we have exactly what i said will happen: users in trouble does not know how to boot the still installed older kernel because they never learned that there are more than one because they never faced it as all the years before My grandfather still believes those are multiple _different_ Fedora installations, each having different games/files. As he has also CentOS menu item there having multiple Fedora items is just too much for him. explain it to him A proper fix would need to be more thorough as in the case of multiple different OSes installed you should always get the menu choice: * Always present only the latest kernel there, hide all older kernels under the menu item Advanced options for Fedora. * Do not display the menu if there is only one option available. (Sure not counting the Advanced options for Fedora menu item.) Sure still the menu gets displayed on holding the SHIFT/ARROW key. Failed boot of a new kernel is a rare case needing assistance of someone more capable of admin work. Such person knows how to display the menu says who? * as i faced the first unbootable system after a kernel update it was Fedora Core 3 * i had no big Fedora expierience at this time * i did not need assistance of someone more capable of admin work why? * because i saw the menu from the very first beginning * because doing nothing the next boot-step after that menu failed * so what did i: look waht happens if i chosse something other from the menu signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Update problems
Am 18.09.2013 15:39, schrieb Frank: Got this this morning...is it a problem on my end or theirs? should report this problem to the owner of the updates-testing repository is pretty clear, see below, yum upgrade works without these warnings [frank@localhost ~]$ sudo yum check-update Loaded plugins: langpacks, refresh-packagekit Update notice FEDORA-2013-13577 (from updates-testing) is broken, or a bad duplicate, skipping. You should report this problem to the owner of the updates-testing repository. Update notice FEDORA-2013-15734 (from updates-testing) is broken, or a bad duplicate, skipping. Update notice FEDORA-2013-15106 (from updates-testing) is broken, or a bad duplicate, skipping. Update notice FEDORA-2013-14132 (from updates-testing) is broken, or a bad duplicate, skipping. Update notice FEDORA-2013-14172 (from updates-testing) is broken, or a bad duplicate, skipping. Original-Nachricht Betreff: Re: Update notice FEDORA-2013-13577 (von updates-testing) is broken, or a bad duplicate, skipping Datum: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 09:37:12 +0800 Von: Theodore Lee theo...@gmail.com Antwort an: Development discussions related to Fedora de...@lists.fedoraproject.org An: de...@lists.fedoraproject.org On 14/09/13 08:51, Reindl Harald wrote: a few days ago i upgraded to F19 and my cron-script checking for updates as well as yum check-update reports these warnings - unsure where to report a bug because it's not a specific package, so i post it here Update notice FEDORA-2013-13577 (von updates-testing) is broken, or a bad duplicate, skipping. You should report this problem to the owner of the updates-testing repository. Update notice FEDORA-2013-15734 (von updates-testing) is broken, or a bad duplicate, skipping. Update notice FEDORA-2013-15106 (von updates-testing) is broken, or a bad duplicate, skipping. Update notice FEDORA-2013-14132 (von updates-testing) is broken, or a bad duplicate, skipping. Update notice FEDORA-2013-14172 (von updates-testing) is broken, or a bad duplicate, skipping. Evidently this is a bodhi bug that's been around for a while, being tracked in bug 960642.[1] -- Regards, Theo [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=960642 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: udev/network question
Am 17.09.2013 00:21, schrieb Kevin Martin:
On 09/16/13 17:03, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:
Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:
Frank Murphy wrote:
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 13:16:03 -0700
Gary Artim gar...@gmail.com wrote:
I have 6 nics that I'd like assigned like:
Any help greatly appreciated!
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
(I don't like this, how do I disable this?)
on the kernel line place:
net.ifnames=0
to keep your eth*
I have three that match what I want using above, on kernel line.
When You use 'net.ifnames=0', then systemd-udev ignore
/etc/udev/rules.d/NetworkNaming.rule. You get ethN interfaces,
...
More accurately, systemd-udev not ignore /etc/udev/rules.d/NetNam.rule,
but when there is collision with existing interface name (e.g. rule state
renaming interface to eth0, but eth0 already exist), then does not
try some smarter fiddling with, but leave interface with name from kernel.
Hmm, this works on my rawhide machine:
/etc/udev/rules.d/70-my-net-names.rules
SUBSYSTEM==net, ACTION==add, DRIVERS==?*,
ATTR{address}==c8:0a:a9:b1:46:c2, ATTR{dev_id}==0x0, ATTR{type}==1,
NAME=eth0
I assume it would work for multiple interfaces
you completly missed the point of but when there is collision with existing
interface name
it works fine if you have not too much interfaces, well that is why i hate this
general
changes too because these days most servers are virtualized and in that case
the 8, 10
or 12 pyhsical network interfaces does not matter
but *if* you are in trouble at each reboot the names are changing you are lost
what i completly dislike is that predictable means nothing these days
first biosdevname came out, all changed, now udev/systemd took over and
the names chnaged again - that is not what predictable means, if they
would developed the change in a smart way biosdevname/systemd would have
ended in *exactly* the same names without the next change
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Re: WHY !!! ?
Am 16.09.2013 13:04, schrieb Tim: Having said that, if I had the option, I'd configure things so that USB drives get flushed within moments of a save. I used to turn off write buffering, where I had a choice. It made things slower, though slightly safer. But it was years ago since I played with that, and I don't recall the details of what I was doing it on, nor how. http://linux.die.net/man/8/mount sync All I/O to the filesystem should be done synchronously. In case of media with limited number of write cycles (e.g. some flash drives) sync may cause life-cycle shortening. I wish that sort of thing was the default, as USB flash drives, or even USB-connected hard drives, are quite likely to get unplugged unceremoniously, whether accidentally, or by users not realising it's a bad thing to do. *no* read above! And external drives with power supplies have another point of failure - the power supplies being unplugged the power supply of the PC can also be unplugged signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: GNOME Classic Extensions
Am 16.09.2013 19:30, schrieb Dan Thurman: I do not like the Gnome-3 desktop metaphor. I still have F13, waiting for a Gnome-2 desktop for the latest Fedora release and so far, I am checking out F18 with MATE. It seems to work for the most part, but there are some issues/apps that I hope will be mitigated, given time. fine - but that is no justification running a complete insecure OS like F13 now - do this on machines not connected to the internet but *not* in environments where your problems easily become other people ones In my case, I started with F17 because it was the only version that could do a fresh install (with anaconda, not with F18) on an existing partition (having all partitions filled on four 2TB drives), then to upgrade to F18 with fedup, and it was successful. I did not want to do another fedup to F19 because there was too many problems reported at the time. please realize that you never hear people reporting all is fine said from one running machines installed with F9 and now on F18 I am still doing post installations and there are some interesting pitfalls missing apps or ugly replacements (Caja vs Nautilus) but it seems doable so far - it just takes time to get used to and to closely match what I had on F13 what about switch to a different desktop and throw away GNOME at all that is what Linux is for: you have the choice and not only one DE and if enough people are doing this dumb developers realize sooner or later that their fantasy how a desktop should work is nice but only for them - so they continue and do stuff for a few people or realize that the way is wrong signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: installiing joomla
Am 14.09.2013 19:10, schrieb Matthew J. Roth: Please share some acceptable methods of allowing Apache to write files within DocumentRoot. Searching Google for Apache write within DocumentRoot yields a lot of results that recommend giving Apache write access. For example, the canonical answer about file permissions on a Linux web server at Server Fault¹ says: If you have folders that need to be writable by Apache, you can just modify the permission values for the group owner so that www-data has write access. chmod g+w uploads ls -l drwxrws--- 2 eve www-data 4096 Feb 5 22:52 uploads www-data is *debian* because on Redhat the user/groups is named apache if you use google add your distribution to the search string! besides that there a *two* levels to care: FS-permissions *and* SELinux chown apache:apache /path/to/folder/ chmod 770 /path/to/folder/ http://david-latham.blogspot.co.at/2008/08/allow-httpd-apache-to-write-to-files.html signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: installiing joomla
Am 14.09.2013 20:40, schrieb Matthew J. Roth: Reindl Harald wrote: www-data is *debian* because on Redhat the user/groups is named apache if you use google add your distribution to the search string! Please explain how the specific user Apache is running as is relevant chown www-data and chgrp www-data will not work on Redhat Is it only an indicator of the distribution the example is based on? it si simple: the same command may have differnt params on different distributions see above If so, are you saying that distributions without SELinux support cannot securely allow Apache to write files within DocumentRoot. it's not a matter of the distribution set permissions wise and only allow the apache user write access where it is really needed teh document root is *not* such a place temp/cache folders of a web-application are besides that there a *two* levels to care: FS-permissions *and* SELinux chown apache:apache /path/to/folder/ chmod 770 /path/to/folder/ http://david-latham.blogspot.co.at/2008/08/allow-httpd-apache-to-write-to-files.html Are you saying to all Apache write access, but to use SELinux to limit the directories and files it can update? That sounds reasonable to me, but I get the impression that Tim had something else in mind from his very specific statement i say not more and not less that you can set filesystem permissions to whatever you want if the SELinux context doe snot allow it SELinux is a *additional* security subsystem in the best case *any* available permission system denies *anything* which is not needed for normal operations and if you need to allow whatever you need to do this for all possible involved subsystems - from security point of view it's easy. if one of the subsystems fails or is configuerd unsafe like chmod -R 777 the other one makes this mindless acting less critical in doubt there is not this or that is better, in doubt you want as much security layers as possible: iptables, mod_security, filesystem perms and as last resort SELInux - they are finally adaptive and depending on whatever a bad guy try to do on a server different layers may stop him, in the best case the first and finally the last ressort the goal is making attacks as hard as possible because a attacker needs to trick around all the secuity layers and may seek a easier target if it takes too much time/energy to bypass all of them signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: installiing joomla
Am 14.09.2013 20:51, schrieb Matthew J. Roth: Please ignore my first reply. I accidentally hit 'Send' before it was complete. i am not that slow in answers, too late however, it will take days until my posts reach the list due the holy grail of moderation. www-data is *debian* because on Redhat the user/groups is named apache if you use google add your distribution to the search string! Please explain how the specific user Apache is running as is relevant. Is it only an indicator of the distribution the example is based on? If so, are you saying that distributions without SELinux support cannot securely allow Apache to write files within DocumentRoot? besides that there a *two* levels to care: FS-permissions *and* SELinux chown apache:apache /path/to/folder/ chmod 770 /path/to/folder/ http://david-latham.blogspot.co.at/2008/08/allow-httpd-apache-to-write-to-files.html Are you saying to allow Apache write access, but to use SELinux to limit the directories and files it can update? That sounds reasonable to me, but I get the impression that Tim had something else in mind from his very specific statement: You should NOT change ownership of /var/www/http to Apache, never do that. That's a VERY BAD THING!! i know that because it is my job to know that i explained it also well in my reply signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: installiing joomla
Am 14.09.2013 21:42, schrieb Matthew J. Roth: Reindl Harald wrote: it's not a matter of the distribution set permissions wise and only allow the apache user write access where it is really needed teh document root is *not* such a place temp/cache folders of a web-application are For clarification, can the temp/cache folders be subdirectories of the DocumentRoot or should Apache never be able to write any file it could potentially serve? it does not matter at the end of the day in a perfect world you even have no phpincludes below the docroot in most environments it will not be possible to do sou for some hundret vhosts in the best case *any* available permission system denies *anything* which is not needed for normal operations and if you need to allow whatever you need to do this for all possible involved subsystems - from security point of view it's easy. if one of the subsystems fails or is configuerd unsafe like chmod -R 777 the other one makes this mindless acting less critical in doubt there is not this or that is better, in doubt you want as much security layers as possible: iptables, mod_security, filesystem perms and as last resort SELInux - they are finally adaptive and depending on whatever a bad guy try to do on a server different layers may stop him, in the best case the first and finally the last ressort In general, I understand layered security and the principle of least privilege. It's just that Tim's statements: If it's possible for Apache to write to the webspace, because it's foolishly owned by the apache user, your system is just ripe for being exploited. the document root itself is not the real problem the problem is that a fool gives apache write-permissions to php-scripts and the smallest security hole after that can place code in your application well, put bad code in new files inside the document root by the wep-application and send phishing mails to the URL is not that fine that is why any web-application written with brain has it's templates, caches, temporary files in folders which are the only writeable by the webserver and enforces rules *never ever* deliver anything from these directories to a borwser (.htaccess, Directory..) and if possible includes are also in a seperated folder *not* directly accessable by a client, outside the docroot or access to the folder denied is a implementation detail which does not matter and: For those things that need write access to the files (such as web blogging where the author will add to the blog by writing through the webserver, or a plethora of other web services), then some other method must be used than chowning them to apache. leave me wondering what that other method would be. the above makes *no sense* if the question is apache needs to write it doe not matter if it's owner, group or everybody-RW access In other words, if a plethora of other web services require write access to the webspace then there must either be commonly used methods to securely provide that functionality or a plethora of systems that are just ripe for being exploited. If it's the former, I want to know what those methods are. put files where the application needs write access in seperate folders if the application needs RW access everywhere throw the broken application away because broken-by-design is not fixable signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: installiing joomla
please respond to the list too, well i CC the list now offlist thanks are nice but does not change that some people including list-owners still insists that i am only an asshole because i use clear language and answers with knowledge will never compensate a few hot-blooded from time to time and that is why i respond with the user in CC and not only to the list and i will continue act this way until the hell freezes over instead see respones days later one additional thing to the last reply: For clarification, can the temp/cache folders be subdirectories of the DocumentRoot or should Apache never be able to write any file it could potentially serve? it does not matter at the end of the day belongs to the question subdirectories of docroot or not Apache never be able to write any file it could potentially serve? is clearly the point *yes* and that includes files directly served as well as parts of the application itself Am 14.09.2013 22:44, schrieb Matthew J. Roth: Harald, I hope you don't mind that I'm responding off-list, but I just wanted to thank you for the insightful responses. It's a pity that nobody else will see them until your messages pass moderation because they (as usual) contain very valuable information. Meanwhile, others are free to use the list like their personal blog or to provide cryptic answers that look more like riddles. I understand what you're saying and think that Tim's statements may just be confusing. Hopefully, he'll reply and clarify his meaning. Thanks, Matt - Original Message - From: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net To: Matthew J. Roth mr...@imminc.com Cc: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 4:05:21 PM Subject: Re: installiing joomla Am 14.09.2013 21:42, schrieb Matthew J. Roth: Reindl Harald wrote: it's not a matter of the distribution set permissions wise and only allow the apache user write access where it is really needed teh document root is *not* such a place temp/cache folders of a web-application are For clarification, can the temp/cache folders be subdirectories of the DocumentRoot or should Apache never be able to write any file it could potentially serve? it does not matter at the end of the day in a perfect world you even have no phpincludes below the docroot in most environments it will not be possible to do sou for some hundret vhosts in the best case *any* available permission system denies *anything* which is not needed for normal operations and if you need to allow whatever you need to do this for all possible involved subsystems - from security point of view it's easy. if one of the subsystems fails or is configuerd unsafe like chmod -R 777 the other one makes this mindless acting less critical in doubt there is not this or that is better, in doubt you want as much security layers as possible: iptables, mod_security, filesystem perms and as last resort SELInux - they are finally adaptive and depending on whatever a bad guy try to do on a server different layers may stop him, in the best case the first and finally the last ressort In general, I understand layered security and the principle of least privilege. It's just that Tim's statements: If it's possible for Apache to write to the webspace, because it's foolishly owned by the apache user, your system is just ripe for being exploited. the document root itself is not the real problem the problem is that a fool gives apache write-permissions to php-scripts and the smallest security hole after that can place code in your application well, put bad code in new files inside the document root by the wep-application and send phishing mails to the URL is not that fine that is why any web-application written with brain has it's templates, caches, temporary files in folders which are the only writeable by the webserver and enforces rules *never ever* deliver anything from these directories to a borwser (.htaccess, Directory..) and if possible includes are also in a seperated folder *not* directly accessable by a client, outside the docroot or access to the folder denied is a implementation detail which does not matter and: For those things that need write access to the files (such as web blogging where the author will add to the blog by writing through the webserver, or a plethora of other web services), then some other method must be used than chowning them to apache. leave me wondering what that other method would be. the above makes *no sense* if the question is apache needs to write it doe not matter if it's owner, group or everybody-RW access In other words, if a plethora of other web services require write access to the webspace then there must either be commonly used methods to securely provide that functionality or a plethora of systems that are just ripe for being exploited
Re: installiing joomla - list moderation strikes again
Am 15.09.2013 15:36, schrieb Martin S: On Sunday, September 15, 2013 09:37:42 PM Roger wrote: Yes also my experience. I tried setting up VirtualHost but that also failed. I solved it by: cd /var/www/html sudo mkdir tester chmod 766 tester chown user:user tester then sudo mv the whole (drupal in my case) file system to /var/www/html/tester Basically leaving /var/www/html as root:root but the drupal directory is user:user ownership That worked.. Ah ... good to know for the future projects do *not* use such completly wrong and uneducated instructions for any projects which are conncted to the public internet my original answer hangs in the list moderation and i am really tired of repeat things all the time, so wait until it is released or ask the list owners what it needs to realize that their moderation in fact doe smuch more harm than a few potentially not friendly enough answers finally mailing-lists can not replace reading manpages and understand how services are working and if someone is failing setup a virtual host whatever follows is technical wrong and likely dangerous in production signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: WHY !!! ?
Am 15.09.2013 18:03, schrieb Jim: On 09/14/2013 08:11 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Do you explicitly unmount your flash drives, before yanking them out. I have to admit that is the one thing I don't do so answering with your subject in normal letters: why? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: installiing joomla
Am 15.09.2013 13:37, schrieb Roger: I tried setting up VirtualHost but that also failed *what* exactly failed? you need a dns-record or a entry in /etc/hosts for a named virtual host only define it in the webserver config does not help much you need to understand the whole concept how a service and it's dependencies work by reading manuals instead try random commands or follow random pieces of whatever badly written howtos in the hope it sooner or later works and finally if it works at the end having no idea *why it works* which makes critical mistakes in case of security much likely I solved it by: cd /var/www/html sudo mkdir tester chmod 766 tester how can 766 help in case of a directory? it is plain wrong and effective 700 because a folder without execute flag is not accesable by group/others in case of 766 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Status of fstrim MD-RAID
Am 15.09.2013 21:26, schrieb Heinz Diehl: On 15.09.2013, Jorge Fábregas wrote: Does fstrim work with md-raid devices these days with Fedora 19 out of the box? I would like to use 2 SSDs (in RAID-1) wondered about trim support. Do you have any objections against the use of discard? Just asking.. which *is* trim the question was if a linux-software-raid is passing it currently to the disc-layer or not signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
