Re: email failure

[Richard Vickery]

| I think you've gone way off tangent with the civil rights response.
|  I
| was just talking about free email services, which aren't offices of
| government, but business enterprises.  I'm not saying it's a good
| thing,
| that *you* are the product, I'm just pointing out the circumstances.
| It's how capitalism works.  Just about all of these things exist to
| make
| money.  There are very few totally altruistic enterprises, and even
| Red
| Hat is using us with Fedora for their own purposes.   Either they
| make
| you pay for the product, or they make someone else pay for it.  And
| to
| make someone else pay for it, they provide them with a service that
| satisfies them, too.  And how would they do that?  By *using* you.
| 
| Going even further way off topic, but I don't really think slavery
| has
| been abolished, it's just changed.  Think about this:  Are you
| self-sufficient, or do you *need* to have a job?  Is your land large
| enough that you can grow all your own food, catch all your own water,
| or
| is it so small that you need to do something (work for someone else,
| usually) to survive.  If you can't be totally self-sufficient, and
| independent, then you're not really free.  In this day and age, many
| of
| us are slaves to the bank, with near life-long mortgages.  And we're
| slaves to the government, one way or another.  We have to have a job
| to
| pay for what we need, and to pay for what the government demands from
| us.  A tax on this, a tax on that, for every damn fool thing they
| want
| to do, never mind the things that are justifiable and worthy of
| distributing the cost across the population.
| 
|  At least I have a massive voice that is listened to at the
|  university.
| 
| That statement's just ripe for making jokes with, but I'll let the
| opportunity pass.
|
|-- 
|[tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp
|Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64 

Tim:

Man was born free, but everywhere he is in chains Locke 1768(?)

You are not slave to the Government unless you choose to be. You, and everyone 
in the state (in the global sense, as opposed to the American) controls the 
government.

I suppose your lines, and lines like it from everyone in the group are why you 
do computers and why I should hang my hat, quit the group, pursue my projects 
and let you live your false assumptions about the state and its institutions, 
and build the operating system without me.

Regards,
Richard
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Fwd: email failure

[Richard Vickery]

|
|-- 
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|Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64 

Tim:

Man was born free, but everywhere he is in chains Locke 1768(?)

You are not slave to the Government unless you choose to be. You, and everyone 
in the state (in the global sense, as opposed to the American) controls the 
government.

I suppose your lines, and lines like it from everyone in the group are why you 
do computers and why I should hang my hat, quit the group, pursue my projects 
and let you live your false assumptions about the state and its institutions, 
and build the operating system without me.

Regards,
Richard
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Mr Holtzman:

Forwarding this because you seemed to show interest in silencing my contribution
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Re: email failure

[Richard Vickery]

| From: Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com
| To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
| Sent: Monday, 20 January, 2014 11:28:44
| Subject: Re: email failure
| 
| On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:33:00AM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:
|  On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 10:08:48PM -0800, Richard Vickery wrote:
|   | From: Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us
|  
|...snip...
|  
|   | 
|   | Why do you think you deserve compensation, what do you think
|   | would be
|   | fair and how would you enforce it?
|   | --
|   
|   Getting rid of the asshole would be a good start
|  
|  Excellent idea and I know just who it should start with.
| 
| Let's get the list back on topic please.  I see no extenuating cause
| for the bad language and vitriol being tossed around here.
| 
| --
| Paul W. Frields

Paul:

This is the second or third person to abuse me because of my expertise. If you 
want to stay on topic, then where I make a contribution where it concerns my 
expertise, I would appreciate if idiots would defer to my wisdom as I 
continually state that I know little about the OS

Do you want my contributions, or not?
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Re: email failure

[Richard Vickery]

| From: Mikkel L. Ellertson mellert...@gmail.com
| To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
| Sent: Monday, 20 January, 2014 13:13:58
| Subject: Re: email failure
| 
| On 01/20/2014 03:11 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
|  Paul:
| 
|  This is the second or third person to abuse me because of my
|  expertise. If you want to stay on topic, then where I make a
|  contribution where it concerns my expertise, I would appreciate if
|  idiots would defer to my wisdom as I continually state that I know
|  little about the OS
| 
|  Do you want my contributions, or not?
| 
| Not.
| --
| 
Fuck You! And Who the fuck are you?
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Re: email failure

[Richard Vickery]

| From: Mikkel L. Ellertson mellert...@gmail.com
| To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
| Sent: Monday, 20 January, 2014 13:13:58
| Subject: Re: email failure
| 
| On 01/20/2014 03:11 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
|  Paul:
| 
|  This is the second or third person to abuse me because of my
|  expertise. If you want to stay on topic, then where I make a
|  contribution where it concerns my expertise, I would appreciate if
|  idiots would defer to my wisdom as I continually state that I know
|  little about the OS
| 
|  Do you want my contributions, or not?
| 
| Not.

and fuck Linux, and fuck the Red Hat! Just put out this stupid OS.
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Re: f20 - difference between i386 and x86_64 distros

[Richard Vickery]

| From: Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com
| To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org
| Sent: Saturday, 18 January, 2014 20:13:26
| Subject: f20 - difference between i386 and x86_64 distros
| 
| As I have mentioned, my x86_64 install on my Lenovo is a bit of a
| hack.
| Hopefully things will be better for f21, but meanwhile...
| 
| I am continuing to have problems.  Most recently, Gnome keeps
| crashing
| even without suspend attempts.
| 
| S, I DO have a drive with f20 i386 installed, and I am seriously
| thinking of falling back to it.  All I have to do, is book from it,
| sync my files (mail mostly) from the x86_64 drive, and apply updates.
| 
| But what do I loose running i386 on a 64 bit system?  That is the
| serious question here.
| 

Having run i386 since I began using Linux in 1998 and recently switched over to 
x86_64 at the end of 2012 / the middle of 2013, I used to say that Linux was a 
tank, that you can do back-flips in Linux; you could drop a bomb on it and it 
would keep running. i386 will not crash - it is extremely unlikely event. The 
likelihood of an i386 machine crashing is maybe 0.25 percent, in my 
unscientific opinion.

Since my switch-over I can't really say that I've gained anything. I don't 
think that I can put the demands on the machine as I used to. The reason I 
switched is to contribute more to this group. This I would lose if I went back 
to i386. Other than that, I can't say that there is anything to lose.

If you wanted to stay with the x86 structure, we might be able to help you with 
the coding issues in Gnome, but if the decision is to go to i386, you may be 
happier with the computer. I suppose the question is your purpose, or  use, of 
the computer: do you write documents, spreadsheets, presentations, writing 
code, or do you want to help Fedora - the group of volunteers - build our 
ever-evolving OS?

2 cents from one with experience in the issue,
Richard
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Re: email failure

[Richard Vickery]

| From: Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au
| To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
| Sent: Sunday, 19 January, 2014 01:13:38
| Subject: Re: email failure
| 
| Allegedly, on or about 18 January 2014, Richard Vickery sent:
|  I recently quit Gmail because I got sick of that they read your
|  email
|  AND they treat users as products rather than citizens,
| 
| Quoting an advertiser (one who makes them):
| 
| If you're not paying for the service, then you are the product.
| 
| If you want a free service, there are sacrifices.  It mightn't be the
| service you really want, or you may have to do quite a bit of hunting
| to
| find one that suits you.

A citizen does not, nor ought need to, pay anyone for the rights of the office 
of citizenship. Slavery is an abolished practice, yet your advertiser has just 
stated in this quote that slavery is alive and well. Is it not time to rethink 
this? Treating society as products may be one of the reasons that the Taliban 
attacked US soil, and destroyed the trade towers in New York. We need to be 
treated as people, as citizens. If we are treating each other as slaves then 
the cycle of violence will never stop. 

At least I have a massive voice that is listened to at the university.

| 
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| Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013
| x86_64
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Re: email failure

[Richard Vickery]

| From: David dgbo...@gmail.com
| 
| When I was young as you appear to be I too was a libertarian. Then I
| graduated, grew up, and realized just how the real world really
| works.
| 
| 
| --
| 
|   David

I'm sorry David, that you have neither heard of either courts, or mass 
demonstrations. If you want to continue living in your pathetic little world 
where you can't change anything, be my guest.
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Re: email failure

[Richard Vickery]

| From: David dgbo...@gmail.com
| To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
| Sent: Sunday, 19 January, 2014 13:55:38
| Subject: Re: email failure
| 
| On 1/19/2014 4:30 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
|  | From: David dgbo...@gmail.com
|  | 
|  | When I was young as you appear to be I too was a libertarian.
|  | Then I
|  | graduated, grew up, and realized just how the real world really
|  | works.
|  | 
|  | 
|  | --
|  | 
|  |   David
|  
|  I'm sorry David, that you have neither heard of either courts, or
|  mass demonstrations. If you want to continue living in your
|  pathetic little world where you can't change anything, be my
|  guest.
|  
| 
| 
| Been there. I have the tee shirt. The demonstrations will get your
| butt
| kicked by the Sturmtruppenwith the batons and the courts belong to
| the
| rich.  As I said. I grew up.
| 
| 
Obviously you know nothing of political science. When someone comes along and 
kicks your ass, you get enough people together and kick that group around. 

You didn't grow up! You went into the corner and cried your eyes out because a 
bully came and started kicking you around. Go back in your corner and stfu or 
shut up. listen, an learn a thing or two.


Did you study basket weaving?
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Re: email failure

[Richard Vickery]

| From: David dgbo...@gmail.com
| To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
| Sent: Sunday, 19 January, 2014 18:05:03
| Subject: Re: email failure
| 
| On 1/19/2014 8:36 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
|  | From: David dgbo...@gmail.com
|  | To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
|  | Sent: Sunday, 19 January, 2014 13:55:38
|  | Subject: Re: email failure
|  | 
|  | On 1/19/2014 4:30 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
|  |  | From: David dgbo...@gmail.com
|  |  | 
|  |  | When I was young as you appear to be I too was a libertarian.
|  |  | Then I
|  |  | graduated, grew up, and realized just how the real world
|  |  | really
|  |  | works.
|  |  | 
|  |  | 
|  |  | --
|  |  | 
|  |  |   David
|  |  
|  |  I'm sorry David, that you have neither heard of either courts,
|  |  or
|  |  mass demonstrations. If you want to continue living in your
|  |  pathetic little world where you can't change anything, be my
|  |  guest.
|  |  
|  | 
|  | 
|  | Been there. I have the tee shirt. The demonstrations will get
|  | your
|  | butt
|  | kicked by the Sturmtruppenwith the batons and the courts belong
|  | to
|  | the
|  | rich.  As I said. I grew up.
|  | 
|  | 
|  Obviously you know nothing of political science. When someone comes
|  along and kicks your ass, you get enough people together and kick
|  that group around.
|  
|  You didn't grow up! You went into the corner and cried your eyes
|  out because a bully came and started kicking you around. Go back
|  in your corner and stfu or shut up. listen, an learn a thing or
|  two.
|  
|  
|  Did you study basket weaving?
|  
| 
| 
| Last comment and I am gone Punk. I was involved at Kent State when
| the
| troupes murdered the students. I was at Chicago when the police beat
| the
| crap out of us with night sticks protesting Vietnam. I got the crap
| beat
| out of me for protesting Nixon's lies about Cambodia. I have been
| arrested many times and beaten while in jail. Many of these times I
| spent time in hospital.
| 
| And you? Maybe yelled a word? Held up a sign?
| 
| Go away. You bore me troll.
| 
| --
| 

Perhaps you ought to look at your own activities before accusing someone else 
of an activity that you first instigated, troll!
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Re: email failure

[Richard Vickery]

Richard

- Original Message -
| From: Richard Vickery r...@sfu.ca
| To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org
| Sent: Sunday, 19 January, 2014 18:14:39
| Subject: Re: email failure
| 
| | From: David dgbo...@gmail.com
| | To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
| | Sent: Sunday, 19 January, 2014 18:05:03
| | Subject: Re: email failure
| | 
| | On 1/19/2014 8:36 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
| |  | From: David dgbo...@gmail.com
| |  | To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
| |  | Sent: Sunday, 19 January, 2014 13:55:38
| |  | Subject: Re: email failure
| |  | 
| |  | On 1/19/2014 4:30 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
| |  |  | From: David dgbo...@gmail.com
| |  |  | 
| |  |  | When I was young as you appear to be I too was a
| |  |  | libertarian.
| |  |  | Then I
| |  |  | graduated, grew up, and realized just how the real world
| |  |  | really
| |  |  | works.
| |  |  | 
| |  |  | 
| |  |  | --
| |  |  | 
| |  |  |   David
| |  |  
| |  |  I'm sorry David, that you have neither heard of either
| |  |  courts,
| |  |  or
| |  |  mass demonstrations. If you want to continue living in your
| |  |  pathetic little world where you can't change anything, be my
| |  |  guest.
| |  |  
| |  | 
| |  | 
| |  | Been there. I have the tee shirt. The demonstrations will get
| |  | your
| |  | butt
| |  | kicked by the Sturmtruppenwith the batons and the courts belong
| |  | to
| |  | the
| |  | rich.  As I said. I grew up.
| |  | 
| |  | 
| |  Obviously you know nothing of political science. When someone
| |  comes
| |  along and kicks your ass, you get enough people together and kick
| |  that group around.
| |  
| |  You didn't grow up! You went into the corner and cried your eyes
| |  out because a bully came and started kicking you around. Go back
| |  in your corner and stfu or shut up. listen, an learn a thing or
| |  two.
| |  
| |  
| |  Did you study basket weaving?
| |  
| | 
| | 
| | Last comment and I am gone Punk. I was involved at Kent State when
| | the
| | troupes murdered the students. I was at Chicago when the police
| | beat
| | the
| | crap out of us with night sticks protesting Vietnam. I got the crap
| | beat
| | out of me for protesting Nixon's lies about Cambodia. I have been
| | arrested many times and beaten while in jail. Many of these times I
| | spent time in hospital.
| | 
| | And you? Maybe yelled a word? Held up a sign?
| | 
| | Go away. You bore me troll.
| | 
| | --
| | 
| 
| Perhaps you ought to look at your own activities before accusing
| someone else of an activity that you first instigated, troll!
| --

Who let this Boles guy, who is otherwise afraid to use his surname - at least 
as part of his display-name, into the building to abuse me? Before anyone goes 
stating that I was part of such, please remember that he was the one who 
started abusing my field of study. Had he left it alone, I would not accuse him 
of a degree in basket weaving. I might ask the moderator to have a serious 
discussion about the abuse he dished out.
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Re: email failure

[Richard Vickery]

| From: David dgbo...@gmail.com
| To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
| Sent: Sunday, 19 January, 2014 19:25:59
| Subject: Re: email failure
| 
| On 1/19/2014 10:07 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
|  On 01/19/2014 06:05 PM, David wrote:
|  Last comment and I am gone Punk. I was involved at Kent State when
|  the
|  troupes murdered the students. I was at Chicago when the police
|  beat the
|  crap out of us with night sticks protesting Vietnam.
|  
|  And I was in Tonkin Gulf during the Easter Offensive in '72,
|  pounding
|  the hell out of the invading NVA.  Your point is?
| 
| 
| Thank you for your service. Sadly the last time it was actually
| worthh
| while was World War II. When there really were enemies and not just
| monsters from the ID. here is were you look up SIGMUND FREUD .
| 
| 
| My point? I supported the troupes. Still do, I do not support the
| politicians and the rich people out to make money on your blood and
| sweat. I lost a lot of good friends. Some dead. Some crippled. Some
| came
| home as junkies. Some came home with minds screwed up. For what? So
| rich
| people could get richer. You do know that that country is now one of
| 'out friends and major trading partners'?
| 
| You do know that that your war, just like Araq, was a lie?
| 
| But I still honor your service.
| --
| 
|   David
| --

WTF does you support of service men and women have to do with my research of 
how states are organised, run, and how citizens are treated? Who the f-ck are 
you to run ramshot over me just because I know how the courts work? how the 
police work? the rules of evidence? the rules of political power? Game theory? 
Prisoners dilemma? F you David! After the manner in which this guy treated me, 
I could care less how that F you... comes across. If you had been kinder 
about my knowledge, I might be sorrowful and care somewhat about your 
misfortunes, but after the BS you dished out to me, I could care less about 
your life's mistreatment.
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Re: email failure

[Richard Vickery]

 From: Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us
| To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org
| Sent: Sunday, 19 January, 2014 20:55:23
| Subject: Re: email failure
| 
| On 01/19/2014 07:25 PM, David wrote:
|  My point? I supported the troupes.
| 
| And my 'Nam vet friends and I both thank you; most of the anti-war
| movement didn't.  I'm not going to argue with you over which, if any
| of
| our wars have been right and which wrong, because this isn't the
| right
| place, but to be honest, I can't help but wonder how much of the
| venom
| spewed by some young people back then were more about the draft than
| the
| war itself.  Last (I hope) I'd like to tell you that I respect your
| stand, because you were willing to stand up for what you believed,
| and
| suffered for it.
| 
| Now, let's get back on topic, please.
| --

This doesn't do much to address his abuse of my projects
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Re: email failure

[Richard Vickery]

| From: Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us
| To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org
| Sent: Sunday, 19 January, 2014 21:27:38
| Subject: Re: email failure
| 
| On 01/19/2014 09:03 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
|  This doesn't do much to address his abuse of my projects
| 
| Which is why I requested that we stop discussing it here.
| --

And how do you suggest I get compensated for this abuse? Perhaps you could care 
less for my contributions?
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Re: email failure

[Richard Vickery]

| From: Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us
| To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org
| Sent: Sunday, 19 January, 2014 21:42:41
| Subject: Re: email failure
| 
| On 01/19/2014 09:35 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
|  | From: Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us
|  | To: Community support for Fedora users
|  | users@lists.fedoraproject.org
|  | Sent: Sunday, 19 January, 2014 21:27:38
|  | Subject: Re: email failure
|  |
|  | On 01/19/2014 09:03 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
|  |  This doesn't do much to address his abuse of my projects
|  |
|  | Which is why I requested that we stop discussing it here.
|  | --
| 
|  And how do you suggest I get compensated for this abuse? Perhaps
|  you could care less for my contributions?
| 
| 
| Why do you think you deserve compensation, what do you think would be
| fair and how would you enforce it?
| --

Getting rid of the asshole would be a good start, and enforcing that we treat 
each other fairly? How does creating a policy stating that sound; one that 
guides contributors to respect what others do or have done in their lives? 
respect others as persons not to be abused, but to be cherished as community 
members with something to contribute? Enforce it by threatening to through them 
out.

My integrity was attacked; what would you want from an organisation that 
attacked your integrity through one of its websites/employees/contributors? If 
Red Hats integrity was attacked what would the company do?
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Re: email failure

[Richard Vickery]

The problem with bottom-posting on this server is that when I send, it is hard 
for some, perhaps everyone, to know where the quoted message stops and my 
contribution begins. If you go to the bottom of this email you will see that 
your contribution is not quoted as such, and - especially if the same font 
were used - you can't really tell without paying really close attention to the 
-- where the exchange starts. 

I recently quit Gmail because I got sick of that they read your email AND they 
treat users as products rather than citizens, selling your information that you 
freely give them without offering you anything for it. I started becoming very 
aware about my data when the CBC program Spark told me about Joindiaspora.com 
and then a cell phone concept, both concepts that give the user her data to do 
with what she wants . 


Richard 
- Original Message -

From: Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com 
To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Sent: Saturday, 18 January, 2014 04:09:31 
Subject: Re: email failure 





On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 6:38 AM, g  gel...@bellsouth.net  wrote: 



On 01/17/2014 08:13 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: 

blockquote
Hi Suvayu, and anybody else who cares - assuming that Suvayu cares - 
about the issue: 

This is originally how this server has set the return mail as; I can 
possibly talk to the university computer people about fixing the 
program so that I can have the option of bottom-post correctly, 



just passing along a tidbit that i have found. 

i can not say about your university server, but i do know that with 
gmail and using thunderbird, i set up and account for gmail. i 
download emails and reply to them with thunderbird. this way, i am 
able to respond interspersed and add to bottom with out top posting 
problems. 

such may work with your university server. 


/blockquote



Seeing this out of context (is there an existing thread, if so then why wasn't 
the reply posted there?). 


I'm bottom-posting this from Gmail. Also, I don't know of any mail server that 
would mess with replies to the extent of enforcing top-posting. Some email 
*clients* do, especially on phones, but that's a different issue. 


poc 

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Re: email failure (was: mock fail under F20)

[Richard Vickery]

Is it *actually* Desktop preferences that I seek?

Richard

- Original Message -
From: Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Sent: Saturday, 18 January, 2014 02:07:35
Subject: Re: email failure (was: mock fail under  F20)

Hello Richard,

On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 06:13:14PM -0800, Richard Vickery wrote:

 This is originally how this server has set the return mail as; I can
 possibly talk to the university computer people about fixing the
 program so that I can have the option of bottom-post correctly, such
 that it is readable. I switched from Gmail because, as I stated a few
 weeks ago, I no longer like Google using my information - without, at
 lest, paying me for it. I will talk to them on after the weekend about
 making it easier to read, and it will not be fixed in a day; maybe a
 week; maybe a month - possibly more than a month; institutions tend to
 move at the speed of a tortoise.


I didn't realise you are from SFU until you mentioned your university!
I used to be a student there too, so I happen to be familiar with their
email system.  As far as I know they use Zimbra.  I think you are using
the web-interface.  In the configuration you can set the quoting style.
See the 3rd last bullet under Composing:

http://www.zimbra.com/desktop/help/en_US/Userspecific/z-Setting_your_Desktop_Preferences.htm

Following this, you can easily do interspersed quoted replies.

Hope this helps,

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Re: email failure

[Richard Vickery]

To point one, which is copied from below in case you miss it: 

It doesn't do it for whole message and I can envision that you still get lost 
in the reply. 

Richard 

- Original Message -

From: Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com 
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Sent: Saturday, 18 January, 2014 15:26:16 
Subject: Re: email failure 

Hi Richard, 

On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 10:17:06AM -0800, Richard Vickery wrote: 



The problem with bottom-posting on this server is that when I send, it 
is hard for some, perhaps everyone, to know where the quoted message 
stops and my contribution begins. If you go to the bottom of this 
email you will see that your contribution is not quoted as such, and 
- especially if the same font were used - you can't really tell 
without paying really close attention to the -- where the exchange 
starts. 

Two comments: 


1. I think you missed the instruction I was pointing to in my earlier 
response[1]; I'm quoting it below. 

Specify whether to prefix each line with  of | for the previous 
email messages that are forwarded or replied to, if you chose to 
quote original text. 


It doesn't do it for whole message and I can envision that you still get lost 
in the reply. 



If you use the above, level of quotes are easily distinguishable. 
2. The signature string is -- : that is two dashes, followed by a 
single space. Without the single space, the special meaning is lost. 

Hope this helps, 


Footnotes: 

[1] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2014-January/445649.html 


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Re: email failure

[Richard Vickery]

- Original Message -
| From: Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com
| To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
| Sent: Saturday, 18 January, 2014 15:26:16
| Subject: Re: email failure
| 
| Hi Richard,
| 
| On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 10:17:06AM -0800, Richard Vickery wrote:
|  
|  The problem with bottom-posting on this server is that when I send,
|  it
|  is hard for some, perhaps everyone, to know where the quoted
|  message
|  stops and my contribution begins. If you go to the bottom of this
|  email you will see that your contribution is not quoted as such,
|  and
|  - especially if the same font were used - you can't really tell
|  without paying really close attention to the -- where the
|  exchange
|  starts.
| 
| Two comments:
| 1. I think you missed the instruction I was pointing to in my earlier
|response[1]; I'm quoting it below.
|
|  Specify whether to prefix each line with  of | for the previous
|  email messages that are forwarded or replied to, if you chose to
|  quote original text.
| 
|If you use the above, level of quotes are easily distinguishable.
| 2. The signature string is -- : that is two dashes, followed by a
|single space.  Without the single space, the special meaning is
|lost.
| 
| Hope this helps,
| 
| 
| Footnotes:
| 
| [1]
| https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2014-January/445649.html
| 
| 
| --
| Suvayu
| 
| Open source is the future. It sets us free.
| --
|

I think you were correct, Suvayu, though it took some searching around the 
program.

Richard
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Re: mock fail under F20

[Richard Vickery]

- Original Message -
From: Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Sent: Friday, 17 January, 2014 10:07:01
Subject: Re: mock fail under  F20

On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 18:55:22 +0100
Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote:

 On 01/17/2014 06:01 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
  Appears to be complaining about changelog date.
  But am probable missing something.
 
 Yes, it fails due to the compilation missing symbols.
 
 C.f. lines 221-300 of your build.log
 You'll see plenty of implict decl warnings and undefined
 reference errors.
 
 
 Seems to me as if this package requires a newer version of gtk than
 it is provided with F20, ie. you are facing an incompatibility.

Appreciate the feedback,
Ralf  Suvayu



___
Regards,
Frank 
www.frankly3d.com

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When I tried to wget the file, I get the following, after which there it would 
be pointless to follow with the mock command:

bash: 
http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//packages/gnome-bluetooth/3.11.3/1.fc21/src/gnome-bluetooth-3.11.3-1.fc21.src.rpm:
 No such file or directory
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Re: email failure (was: mock fail under F20)

[Richard Vickery]

Hi Suvayu, and anybody else who cares - assuming that Suvayu cares - about the 
issue:

This is originally how this server has set the return mail as; I can possibly 
talk to the university computer people about fixing the program so that I can 
have the option of bottom-post correctly, such that it is readable. I switched 
from Gmail because, as I stated a few weeks ago, I no longer like Google using 
my information - without, at lest, paying me for it. I will talk to them on 
after the weekend about making it easier to read, and it will not be fixed in a 
day; maybe a week; maybe a month - possibly more than a month; institutions 
tend to move at the speed of a tortoise.

If anyone knows of an email server I can use until I get a break, can find and 
read my Linux books on setting up an old Pentium Celeron box that at the moment 
has Microsoft's shit on it with a mail server, or can pick a Linux server up, 
that allows me to bottom-post it would be a big help. Else I may have to 
continue appoligising until I find a solution. Back when I was just learning 
Linux, had I paid more attention to mail-servers - knowledge I didn't need at 
the time - I might be able to put that knowledge to good use today beside the 
political science degree I am pursuing.

Perhaps I can find someone to assist me in turning my box - as opposed to the 
folding computer I am using - into a mail-server.

Regards,
Richard

- Original Message - 

From: Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com 
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Sent: Friday, 17 January, 2014 13:48:21 
Subject: Re: mock fail under F20 

Hi Richard, 

Two comments: 

On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:28:25AM -0800, Richard Vickery wrote: 



-- 
^^ 


Lately all your posts seemed like accidental sends before completely 
composing the whole message to me. Today I realised why. 

You are using --  to separate your response from the quote above. 
Please try not to do that, many email clients (specially the historic 
ones), treat that string as a marker for the signature. Some people 
might have setups where signatures are stripped; in my case, they are 
shown in a different colour so that I am not distracted by long sigs. 
Because of your use of that string, all your messages were appearing 
empty to me. Just sharing my thought, maybe you want to use a different 
string. 


blockquote
Hi Frank: 

When I tried to wget the file, I get the following, after which there it would 
be pointless to follow with the mock command: 

bash: 
http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//packages/gnome-bluetooth/3.11.3/1.fc21/src/gnome-bluetooth-3.11.3-1.fc21.src.rpm:
 No such file or directory 

Now on-topic: are you sure you called wget properly? From the error 
/blockquote

message it seems to me somehow bash thought the url was something else, 
maybe there was a stray newline preceding the url? 

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Re: Fedora - Windows 8/8.1 dual boot

[Richard Vickery]

- Original Message -
From: Quicksort quicks...@orange.fr
To: Fedora users list support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Sent: Wednesday, 15 January, 2014 16:40:11
Subject: Fedora - Windows 8/8.1 dual boot





Has anyone successfully installed Fedora 18, 19 or 20 in dual boot with Windows 
8/8.1 ? 
How does the installation process differ from setting up a Fedora/Windows 7 or 
XP dual boot ? 
Are there pitfalls one should know about ? 
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it, and subsequent erradification of this platform in favour of Fedora, many 
knowing the choice would want to stay as far away from 8x as possible.
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Re: F20 USB install broken?

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- Original Message -
From: Dan Irwin rummymob...@gmail.com
To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Sent: Wednesday, 15 January, 2014 19:16:13
Subject: F20 USB install broken?

Hi, 

I was trying to install Fedora 20 on a Dell Latitute e6530 using a USB stick. 
It doesn't work. 

Various errors occur. From USB device will not accept address during initial 
boot, to being dropped to a dracut shell with a similar error, to Cannot find 
a suitable stage1 device after the installer UI starts and I try to partition 
disks. 

At the very least, I have had to do the following: 

Boot fedora 
Switch to a shell 
Manually delete partitions using fdisk 
Reboot 
Still can't get fedora to install using USB 
Reboot 

Try again 
Give up. 


Surprisingly, my DVD drive popped opens when rebooting from a USB install. 

I have just burnt a F20 ISO, and it seems to be installing on my second 
attempt. It has actually recognized the fact I deleted partitions to free up 
space, where these didn't seem to be happening on USB installs. 


Yep, I probably should have used fedup, but this is how I have installed new 
releases of Redhat/Fedora since the 1990s. 


Clearly, USB installs of Fedora 20 have issues on modern Dell hardware. 


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The answer is possibly in the bios. Chance the boot settings to boot up from 
your stick

HTH,

Richard
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off topic - switching email

[Richard Vickery]

Hi Gang,

I want to change the email address to the lists that I am on; I could just
add the new email to the list, but conceivably I want to rid the list of
this address in favour of my institutional / university address. Is there a
method to accomplishing this without asking someone from the company?

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: install java in f20

[Richard Vickery]

On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 6:28 AM, Jiri Vanek jva...@redhat.com wrote:

 On 01/12/2014 05:11 AM, Richard Vickery wrote:




 On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 6:14 PM, William Biggs 
 williambigg...@gmail.commailto:
 williambigg...@gmail.com wrote:

 I new to linux I need to know how to install java and java xdk

 sdk? :)



 --


 Google might be your best, and fastest, bet? I would need to ask some
 questions like are you on a 32 or 64 bit system.




 sudo yum install java-1.7.0-openjdk-devel

 will install java-1.7.0-openjdk (headless jre, rest of jre) + jdk

 sudo yum install java-1.7.0-openjdk*
 will install :
 Package 1:java-1.7.0-openjdk-javadoc
 Package 1:java-1.7.0-openjdk-devel (jdk)
 Package 1:java-1.7.0-openjdk-demo (mostly useless demo projects)
 Package 1:java-1.7.0-openjdk-headless  (jre without X support)
 Package 1:java-1.7.0-openjdk  (jre)
 Package 1:java-1.7.0-openjdk-src

 For java plugin and javaws
 sudo yum install icedtea-web

 Do not try search (and I would advice not to install from homepages)
 proprietary jdks.

 J.


My ignorance, and apology; I ought to have asked about installing Java long
ago. In my ignorance, I install Google's Chrome, and get around installing
java.
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Re: install java in f20

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On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 6:14 PM, William Biggs williambigg...@gmail.comwrote:

 I new to linux I need to know how to install java and java xdk

 --


Google might be your best, and fastest, bet? I would need to ask some
questions like are you on a 32 or 64 bit system.
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Re: dnf-0.4.11

[Richard Vickery]

On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 5:39 AM, Corinna Vinschen fed...@cygwin.de wrote:

 On Jan 10 13:31, Ales Kozumplik wrote:
  On 01/10/2014 10:46 AM, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
  Hi,
  
  On Jan  9 15:43, Ales Kozumplik wrote:
  Hello,
  
  New DNF release is out. See the blog [1], the release notes [2] and
  the F20 update [3]. Rawhide build went smooth this time too!
  
  I just had an interesting effect.  I neglected to run `dnf install' as
  root, but instead ran it under my normal user account.  dnf happily
  downloaded all files, then asked me to accept a PGP key, which
  understandably failed when trying to install the key.  But even without
  the key problem, it would also have failed to install the rpms.
  
  So I'm wondering, why did it download the files anyway and then only
  failed afterwards, rather than to tell me you must be root to install
  right at the start?  That would have been a bit more user friendly,
  I think.
  
  
  Thanks,
  Corinna
  
 
  Hi,
 
  you're running into another thing that we widely debated in the past:
 
  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1038504
 
  Short summary is: we are going to provide a plugin that does just
  what you describe.

 Thanks for the URL.  Is there some hope justified that the plugin will
 be enabled by default at one point?  How did yum manage that without
 plugin?


 Thanks,
 Corinna
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I think yum gets passed it by requiring the user to be root
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Re: OCR

[Richard Vickery]

On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 5:56 AM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.comwrote:


 On 01/10/2014 05:14 AM, poma wrote:

 On 10.01.2014 04:56, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

 For f20, is there an OCR program for extracting the text out of a pdf
 scan?

 I have an old document of 'Assembly Instructions'.  Some can be found
 at: http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~bcd/humor/instruction.set.html,
 but I have a few more.  And a lot less.

 But I want the ones that were passed around in my assembly writing days
 (early 80s).

 lynx -dump http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~bcd/humor/instruction.
 set.html | grep 'TN\|YKWIM'


 I can just copy the text from the page into gedit and go from there.  I
 don't have lynx installed.

 thanks

 That lynx command is so totally cool!
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Policies

[Richard Vickery]

Is there a policy in these groups regarding including outsiders in a
conversation by merely adding the person's address to the email? We - he
and I -installed Fedora on his machine, and he is eager to come aboard, but
he has yet to join an email group.
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Re: FYI: Centos joins RedHat

[Richard Vickery]

On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.orgwrote:

 On Tue, Jan 07, 2014 at 03:26:03PM -0600, Steven Stern wrote:
  From the CENTOS user mailing list
  With great excitement I'd like to announce that we are joining the Red
  Hat family. The CentOS Project ( http://www.centos.org ) is joining
  forces with Red Hat. Working as part of the Open Source and Standards
  team ( http://community.redhat.com/ ) to foster rapid innovation
  beyond the platform into the next generation of emerging technologies.

 Our own Fedora Project Leader Robyn Bergeron has a blog post on this, with
 some commentary on how Fedora fits in:

   http://wordshack.wordpress.com/2014/01/07/centos-welcome/



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I wonder how / if this is going to affect us.
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Re: lyx in fedora 20

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On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Patrick Dupre pdu...@gmx.com wrote:

 Hello,

 when I lauch lyx, I just get:
 lyx: error while loading shared libraries: libboost_regex-mt.so.1.53.0:
 cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory


 I need it urgently!!

 Thank.

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I might attempt yum installing libboost_regex-mt.so.1.53.0 first, since
it's asking for this file, but it might be more wise answering the question
about your TeX distribution; Aradenatorix likely has more knowledge than I
do, and you might end up answering those questions regardless of my
haphazard attempt at helping.
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Modem troubles

[Richard Vickery]

Hi Gang:

I was on a Toshiba today, Monday, doing a fresh install and could get the
modem to connect, given that I could see it and many others. Does anyone
have ideas about what I could attempt to get it to connect?

Thanks,

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Re: Modem troubles

[Richard Vickery]

On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:30 PM, Harish Pillay harish.pil...@gmail.comwrote:

 Richard -

  I was on a Toshiba today, Monday, doing a fresh install and could get the
  modem to connect, given that I could see it and many others. Does anyone
  have ideas about what I could attempt to get it to connect?

 Are you referring to a traditional analog modem or a 3G USB dongle?
 You can certainly use minicom to test both.

 Harish
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 Traditional modem, I believe it was / is a cable modem.
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Re: Modem troubles

[Richard Vickery]

On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Harish Pillay harish.pil...@gmail.comwrote:

   I was on a Toshiba today, Monday, doing a fresh install and could get
   the
   modem to connect, given that I could see it and many others. Does
 anyone
   have ideas about what I could attempt to get it to connect?
 
  Are you referring to a traditional analog modem or a 3G USB dongle?
  You can certainly use minicom to test both.
 
  Traditional modem, I believe it was / is a cable modem.

 Cable modems are accessed via the Etnernet port. Does the cable modem
 connect to the cable company?

 Harish
 --


 It was a friends computer, he was very ready to switch from MS Windows 8.1
to Linux; I went over, we installed it, and couldn't get up on his
Ethernet, given that the computer could see it.

I wanted to sign him up in this forum after getting up; I went to
fedoraproject.org just now - 9 hours later - and realise that I've
forgotten how to sign up after so long.

Richard
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Re: fedup experience for upgrading fedora 19 to fedora 20

[Richard Vickery]

On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Rafnews raf.n...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 04.01.2014 18:34, Fred Smith wrote:

 On Sat, Jan 04, 2014 at 05:42:37PM +0100, Rafnews wrote:

 Hi,
 after several days of testing upgrading Fedora 19 to fedora 20, i
 face
 the same issue.
 whatever Virtual machine i use (Virtualbox or VMware Workstation) the
 result is always the same... after upgrading the virtual machine
 turns
 into a black/blank screen and nothing can be done.
 it doesn't machine if i install or not virtualbox tools (or vmware
 toold) it's the same results.
 Here are the basic features of my virtual machine
   * 1 CPU / 2cores,
   * 4GB RAM
   * 128MB Video

 to reproduce the issue:
 1. launch VMWare Workstation 10 and install Fedora 19 x64 from DVD
 iso
 2. as root, do a yum update to be sure fedora 19 is up to date
 3. do a yum install fedup (to get latest version of fedup)
 4. do a snapshot for fallback in case of...be sure you will need it
 5. do a fedup --network 20
 6. reboot after upgrade
 7. == after booting via grub2, your virtual machine with turn into a
 blank screen :(
 the same issue with VirtualBox.
 after that i tried yum install fedora-release fedora-update but i get
 the same result.
 So anybody has an idea what is the problem ?

 a wild guess: Did you make sure you had fedup version 0.8? earlier
 versions
 will apparently leave you with a broken system.


  in fact i did a yum install fedup
 and i got the version 0.8.3 as far as i remember.


 It may be a stupid suggestion: fedup-cli --network 20 as opposed to fedup
--network 20
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Re: suspend or hibernate

[Richard Vickery]

On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 6:21 AM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote:

 Allegedly, on or about 01 January 2014, Richard Vickery sent:
  I might find hibernate on my own: why would a user use this command
  rather than saving and booting up? and How does it know that to
  look for the memory?

 In my case, it was much quicker to resume my laptop from suspend or
 hibernate than do a cold boot.  Plus I can resume back to everything
 that I was in the middle of doing.

 But, I've used other computers where resuming took just as long as a
 normal bootup.

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 Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64


Hi Tim:

Then the question is: How do you boot up from suspend - is there a  special
way to boot up after this command to continue working with the data? I
guess, since curiousity has bitten - and depending how curious I am - I
could attempt it making up some data that I care very little about.
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Re: Fedora on a Dell XPS 15?

[Richard Vickery]

On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 3:53 PM, CS DBA cs_...@consistentstate.com wrote:

  Hi All;

 I'm looking for a replacement for my 15 macbook pro retina, I tried to
 switch to mac but Linux is just too good.

 Thinking of buying a Dell XPS 15 (specs below), anyone have any thoughts
 on if Fedora will run on this machine?

 Thanks in advance




 My advice: Go here:

http://www.linuxcertified.com/linux_laptops.html

whether it's Ubuntu or whatever Linux  distribution it comes with, its
guaranteed to work with all other distributions as well - because we all
use the same kernel. Don't bother with a machine that comes with Microsoft
stuff on it - you'll just have problems.

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suspend or hibernate

[Richard Vickery]

Hi there:

I just called up the gnome-tweak-tool: what's the difference between
suspend and hibernate? It gives these, among other sleeping actions when
folding the computer up.

Just curious - hibernate doesn't have a man page.

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Re: suspend or hibernate

[Richard Vickery]

On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote:

 On 01/02/14 06:09, Richard Vickery wrote:
  I just called up the gnome-tweak-tool: what's the difference between
 suspend and hibernate? It gives these, among other sleeping actions when
 folding the computer up.
 
  Just curious - hibernate doesn't have a man page.
 

 suspend keeps the system powered on, but in a low power mode.  No
 computing is done but the current working state is kept in memory.  Resume
 from suspend is very (or should be) quick.

 hibernate places memory on disk and the system is completely powered off.


Ah! Thanks! I might find hibernate on my own: why would a user use this
command rather than saving and booting up? and How does it know that to
look for the memory?
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Re: Reverse E-Mail Blockage.....

[Richard Vickery]

On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Steven Stern 
subscribed-li...@sterndata.com wrote:

 On 12/28/2013 11:32 AM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
 
  On 28/12/13 12:13, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
 
  Yes Joachim this is EXACTLY what I was looking for!..Thank you so
  much! My Inbox seems to be growing every day with more and more spam.
  I literally spent a whole hour and a half ...JUST adding email
  addresses to the Block list...and now that you've given me this
  knowledge, I should just be able to let in what I need and everything
  else will get tossed into the trash!..thanks so much! Happy New Year!!
 
 
  EGO II
 
  That's strange, all my mail comes through gmail and I rarely see any
  spam unless I go in and look at what they've filtered out. I only use
  Thunderbird filters to sort messages into categories/directories.
 
  Bob
 
 
 Agreed...  I check my Gmail spam folder about once a week to see if it
 had any false positives.  I gave up running my own mail server as Google
 does a much better job.

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I wonder what Google's secret is?
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Help! Killed nautilus

[Richard Vickery]

I think I did a cntl x to kill it; any ideas on what I can do to get it
running again?

Here's what I get:

$ nautilus
Could not register the application: Timeout was reached

I'm on f20, and since it has been released, I assume that I write on this
list rather than test

Thanks,

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Warnings?

[Richard Vickery]

Hi Gang:

For the last few upgrades / updates, I've been getting warnings such as are
at the bottom of the output; what do they mean? Should I ignore them?

setting up repos...
adobe-linux-x86_64
|  951 B  00:00:00
default-installrepo/metalink
|  22 kB  00:00:00
default-installrepo
   | 3.7 kB  00:00:00
default-installrepo/group_gz
| 200 kB  00:00:00
default-installrepo/primary_db
| 2.7 MB  00:00:06
google-chrome
   |  951 B  00:00:00
google-talkplugin
   |  951 B  00:00:00
updates/20/x86_64/metalink
|  19 kB  00:00:00
getting boot images...
.treeinfo
   | 1.1 kB  00:00:00
vmlinuz-fedup
   | 4.9 MB  00:00:08
initramfs-fedup.img
   |  29 MB  00:00:53
setting up update...
default-installrepo/group
   | 864 kB  00:00:01
fedora/20/x86_64/group
| 1.6 MB  00:00:03
updates/20/x86_64/group
   | 1.6 MB  00:00:02
repodata (google-talkplugin) 100%
[==]Warning:
group core does not exist.
Warning: group gnome-desktop does not exist.
Warning: group multimedia does not exist.
Warning: group firefox does not exist.
Warning: group guest-desktop-agents does not exist.
Warning: group base-x does not exist.
Warning: group anaconda-tools does not exist.
Warning: group fonts does not exist.
Warning: group hardware-support does not exist.
Warning: group dial-up does not exist.
Warning: group printing does not exist.
Warning: group libreoffice does not exist.
Warning: group input-methods does not exist.
Warning: group standard does not exist.
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Libre office

[Richard Vickery]

Is there someone to email to for a suggestion for improving Libre office?
It would sure be nice if the program did a grammar check and made
suggestions on how to improve one's document. I haven't used MS Word for as
long as I've used Linux, and I really miss the grammar-check that it did.
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SD card slot

[Richard Vickery]

Hi Gang:

I made the error of pulling the card out before unmounting it, and now the
computer won't read a card -which may be obvious. Is there any way to fix
this?

Thanks,
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VOB

[Richard Vickery]

Being on the test kernel - or, more likely, using a more stable one from
the list that is compiled - is probably the answer to the issue: how am I
to watch a VOB file?

Linux 3.11.9-300.fc20.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed Nov 20 22:23:25 UTC 2013 x86_64

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Re: mouse track-pad

[Richard Vickery]

On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 26 October 2013 18:31, mark m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
  On 10/26/13 13:16, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
 

  I could be wrong, but I am inclined to be believe these situations seem
 to
  occur after kernel updates.
 
  Well, I just joined this list a few days ago, and will be leaving. I'd
  joined, because we have three folks at work on fedora, and one, I'd
 updated
  Mon? Tues? and rebooted... and that was all she wrote. No X, at all.
 After
  fighting for a day and a half, with his ATI FirePro (xinit would open a
  window, with no text/font at all, a black screen otherwise), we gave up
 on
  that, and replaced it with an older NVidia card from '04, and after
 trying a
  number of different drivers, none of which worked, I finally got the 304
  legacy one, and *that* was broken - I had to run depmod myself, manually,
  because until I did, modprobe couldn't find it - and the absolute best I
  could do was start it from init 3 with startx, and *that* came up... but
  runlevel 5 refused anything but a black screen.
 
  So he needed a Linux box, and it took me 1.25 hrs to pxeboot him to a
 CentOS
  6, which came up *perfectly*, no video issues at all. After three days of
  fighting bleeding edge fc19.
 
  *shrug*
 
  See y'all around.

 Sorry to hear that, I don't think it's the general experience (I've
 tended to find hardware support is good these days). FWIW I'd say
 CentOS is a better bet for an office environment anyway if someone
 just needs a box, less frequent churn. Feel free to come back if you
 ever do find yourself fighting with a Fedora system again.

 If you're still here, here's my 2 cents: It takes a little while for one
with the right experience / knowledge to get to your questions. There are a
phenomenally fantastic group of  people working on Fedora; they /we just
need time to get to your questions. Any number of reasons could keep one
from getting to your questions: family, vacations, work... Give us time?
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Re: mouse track-pad

[Richard Vickery]

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 3:36 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan
pocallag...@gmail.comwrote:


 On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Richard Vickery 
 richard.vicker...@gmail.com wrote:

 I believe I posted on the test list as well



 In which case you're violating the Guidelines by cross-posting. I notice
 you did this for another thread as well. Doing this means that people who
 reply on different lists will not see each other's comments, which is why
 it's frowned on.

 poc

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Re: F19 suddenly very unstable

[Richard Vickery]

On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Frédéric Bron frederic.b...@m4x.orgwrote:

   My F19 has suddenly become very unstable. After about 10 minutes of
   running with KDE, the opened windows start to be closed automatically.
   I even cannot stop the machine. I have access to the fedora menu but
   its rendering is very odd and clicking on shutdown does not do
   anything. I cannot go to a terminal either (with konsole which I
   cannot start or with Ctrl+Alt+F2).
 
  Have you tried coming up in runlevel 3?

 I haven't. How could I do it I cannot open a terminal as root?
 However, one time, I could see a disk error while trying Ctrl+Alt+F2.
 I then found the following:

 http://papillon-butineur.blogspot.fr/2012/10/endrequest-io-error-dev-sda-sector.html
 where I saw that my SSD disk could just need an firmware update (my
 disk is the same as the one described in the link).
 I upgraded the SSD disk firmware and since then everything is fine. I
 keep my fingers crossed because it may come again but for now,
 everything is fine again!

 Thanks,

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unaccessability

[Richard Vickery]

Is / was a rather political decision to make BitchX unavailable through
this app-market / Software GUI thing? Since having to yum install it, I am
beginning to have a negative feeling toward the app market idea; the
thought being: what else is being left out?

Regards,
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Re: good bye - Fwd: list-moderation - Re: KDE without gnome-shell?

[Richard Vickery]

On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi


 On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote:



 To you it's rude, to me blunt. This will never be resolved as it's a
 matter of individual taste, enviroment, upbringing, etc. You seem to
 have a thinner skin than I do.


 No.  I can tolerate it just fine but I shouldn't have to.  If you can't be
 courteous to other users in this list,  you aren't following the list
 guidelines and moderators may choose to step in and at that point, your
 argument that it is all so very personal and subjective and hence we should
 all tolerate any abuse that is thrown out won't work.

 Rahul


Toleration is what groups are all about. If we didn't tolerate each other,
we would live in much darker times.

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touchpad

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I wonder if anyone knows how to bring up a touchpad?

Best,
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Re: Wish List.....

[Richard Vickery]

It *is* possible to buy one and install it on Fedora on it. I remember that
when I had an earlier Blackberry it was possible to install another
platform. It's likely possible to to do it on this device as well - just
plug a USB cord in it.


On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 3:48 PM, EGO.II-1 eoconno...@gmail.com wrote:

  Would *love* to see F19 on THIS device! Who would I have to contact to
 see if it can be done?

 ZaReason Tablet Device http://zareason.com/shop/ZaTab-ZT2.html


 EGO II

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Re: Wish List.....

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On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Richard Vickery 
richard.vicker...@gmail.com wrote:

 It *is* possible to buy one and install it on Fedora on it. I remember
 that when I had an earlier Blackberry it was possible to install another
 platform. It's likely possible to to do it on this device as well - just
 plug a USB cord in it.


 On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 3:48 PM, EGO.II-1 eoconno...@gmail.com wrote:

  Would *love* to see F19 on THIS device! Who would I have to contact to
 see if it can be done?

 ZaReason Tablet Device http://zareason.com/shop/ZaTab-ZT2.html


 EGO II

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Re: mouse track-pad

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On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:42 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan
pocallag...@gmail.comwrote:


 On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Richard Vickery 
 richard.vicker...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 10:00 AM, mark m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:

 On 10/25/13 13:47, Richard Vickery wrote:

 Hi Gang:

 The mouse doesn't work work on new Acer; any ideas on how I can find it?
 Apparently Fedora knows that the pad exists, but it is rendered useless
 right now.

  What version of FC?

 mark


 I'm using  F20


 In that case you're on the wrong list. F20 is unreleased and problems
 should be discussed on the Test list.

 And please don't cross-post to both lists. I only mention it because I
 notice that you did that with another question, which may be why it hasn't
 been answered yet. See the Guidelines.

 poc

 I believe I posted on the test list as well
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Re: memory stick not recognized

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On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Geoffrey Leach ge...@hughes.net wrote:

 I have a Sony 128MB memory stick. When inserted, Fedora 19 does not
 recognize it -- lsblk does not show it, dmesg reports nothing. It's
 writable by Windows 7, which reports the device as JMCR MS SCSI Disk
 Device

 Any thoughts on how to access the stick under Fedora?

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Re: twm: icons size

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On Oct 31, 2013 6:37 AM, Hiisi hi...@fedoraproject.org wrote:

 Dear list!
 I'm using twm on Fedora 19. Everything is perfect except that I don't
like the size of icons on desktop. I.e. when application is minimized a tab
appeared on the screen. And for most applications it look awful:
 http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7089/77bf.png
 icons are too big :-(
 How do I change the size of icons?
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Re: mouse track-pad

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On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 10:00 AM, mark m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:

 On 10/25/13 13:47, Richard Vickery wrote:

 Hi Gang:

 The mouse doesn't work work on new Acer; any ideas on how I can find it?
 Apparently Fedora knows that the pad exists, but it is rendered useless
 right now.

  What version of FC?

 mark


I'm using  F20
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system question

[Richard Vickery]

Hi Gang:

I called journalctl and got two lines that sparked a question:

 Parsing /etc/bluetooth/input.conf failed: No such file or directory

Oct 17 15:17:36 localhost.localdomain bluetoothd[502]: Parsing
/etc/bluetooth/serial.conf failed: No such file or directory

Should I be creating a bluetooth directory and perhaps touching the files:
input.conf and serial.conf? I went ahead and created the directory, but I
have yet to create the files.

Thanks

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mouse track-pad

[Richard Vickery]

Hi Gang:

The mouse doesn't work work on new Acer; any ideas on how I can find it?
Apparently Fedora knows that the pad exists, but it is rendered useless
right now.

Thanks,
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fedup

[Richard Vickery]

I'm doing another install because I lost access to the computer while
attempting to find the mouse touchpad - another issue that I want to
solve - and find that F19 doesn't ship with fedup; why not? It's so
useful.
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Dracut

[Richard Vickery]

I shoved an sd card into the computer to save something to it, and failed
as it was write-protected; I decided to email the file to the device I
wanted it on. As this was taking place, the computer was going through an
upgrade and needed rebooting. At the encryption password I decided that I
couldn't wait and pulled the SD card out. After doing this, as anyone can
guess, the dracut command line came up, and thinking of it now, I should
have left it rather than entering the reboot command.

Do I need to do anything to correct any problems that I may have?
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Re: R?

[Richard Vickery]

On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Ranjan Maitra
maitra.mbox.igno...@inbox.com wrote:
 OK, you are missing some packages (not from R):

 sudo yum provides */libpng-config

 yields:

 2:libpng-devel-1.5.13-2.fc19.i686 : Development tools for programs to
 manipulate : PNG image format files
 Repo: fedora
 Matched from:
 Filename: /usr/bin/libpng-config


 So install:

 sudo yum install libpng-devel

 I suspect this takes care of the other error also.

 The professor needs to be asked what use this sort of learning how
 to use a package is? Monkey-see-monkey-do is all one will get.throw
 in a non-standard scenario and what will the students (or the professor
 himself) do?

 Nevertheless, HTH!

 Ranjan



 On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:27:19 -0700 Richard Vickery
 richard.vicker...@gmail.com wrote:

 I know they're useless, but the professor used them and, having known
 how to do things without then before class, I have since forgotten how
 to get by without them; and under the pressures of the current
 classes, it would be far easier using them until the Winter break.

 Here's what I get when I go to install these:

  install.packages()
 --- Please select a CRAN mirror for use in this session ---
 Installing package into '/home/richard/R/x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu-library/3.0'
 (as 'lib' is unspecified)
 also installing the dependencies 'png', 'iplots', 'JGR'

 trying URL 'http://cran.stat.sfu.ca/src/contrib/png_0.1-6.tar.gz'
 Content type 'application/x-gzip' length 24919 bytes (24 Kb)
 opened URL
 ==
 downloaded 24 Kb

 trying URL 'http://cran.stat.sfu.ca/src/contrib/iplots_1.1-6.tar.gz'
 Content type 'application/x-gzip' length 336510 bytes (328 Kb)
 opened URL
 ==
 downloaded 328 Kb

 trying URL 'http://cran.stat.sfu.ca/src/contrib/JGR_1.7-15.tar.gz'
 Content type 'application/x-gzip' length 759394 bytes (741 Kb)
 opened URL
 ==
 downloaded 741 Kb

 trying URL 'http://cran.stat.sfu.ca/src/contrib/Deducer_0.7-6.tar.gz'
 Content type 'application/x-gzip' length 5941779 bytes (5.7 Mb)
 opened URL
 ==
 downloaded 5.7 Mb

 * installing *source* package 'png' ...
 ** package 'png' successfully unpacked and MD5 sums checked
 ** libs
 gcc -m64 -std=gnu99 -I/usr/include/R -DNDEBUG  -I/usr/local/include
 `libpng-config --cflags` -fpic  -O2 -g -pipe -Wall
 -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector
 --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -grecord-gcc-switches  -m64 -mtune=generic
 -c read.c -o read.o
 /bin/sh: libpng-config: command not found
 read.c:3:17: fatal error: png.h: No such file or directory
  #include png.h
  ^
 compilation terminated.
 make: *** [read.o] Error 1
 ERROR: compilation failed for package 'png'
 * removing '/home/richard/R/x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu-library/3.0/png'
 ERROR: dependency 'png' is not available for package 'iplots'
 * removing '/home/richard/R/x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu-library/3.0/iplots'
 ERROR: dependency 'iplots' is not available for package 'JGR'
 * removing '/home/richard/R/x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu-library/3.0/JGR'
 ERROR: dependency 'JGR' is not available for package 'Deducer'
 * removing '/home/richard/R/x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu-library/3.0/Deducer'

 The downloaded source packages are in
 '/tmp/Rtmpx96KAX/downloaded_packages'
 Warning messages:
 1: In install.packages() :
   installation of package 'png' had non-zero exit status
 2: In install.packages() :
   installation of package 'iplots' had non-zero exit status
 3: In install.packages() :
   installation of package 'JGR' had non-zero exit status
 4: In install.packages() :
   installation of package 'Deducer' had non-zero exit status

 What did/am I do/ing wrong?

 On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Ranjan Maitra
 maitra.mbox.igno...@inbox.com wrote:
  What are you having to do?
 
  These are just GUIs from R, extremely useless from my point of view
  (by definition limited in abilities), but then I have been following R
  from version 0.1
 
  Ranjan
 
 
 
  On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 20:11:20 -0700 Richard Vickery
  richard.vicker...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  What happened to R? I can install neither JGR not deducer anymore? Is
  it just me, or does this happen to everyone? I guess I really don't
  need these tools, but the idiot professor in the political science
  class I took instructed the students to be stupid and in need of these
  tools, so I forgot how to work without them.
 
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Re: R?

[Richard Vickery]

I know they're useless, but the professor used them and, having known
how to do things without then before class, I have since forgotten how
to get by without them; and under the pressures of the current
classes, it would be far easier using them until the Winter break.

Here's what I get when I go to install these:

 install.packages()
--- Please select a CRAN mirror for use in this session ---
Installing package into '/home/richard/R/x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu-library/3.0'
(as 'lib' is unspecified)
also installing the dependencies 'png', 'iplots', 'JGR'

trying URL 'http://cran.stat.sfu.ca/src/contrib/png_0.1-6.tar.gz'
Content type 'application/x-gzip' length 24919 bytes (24 Kb)
opened URL
==
downloaded 24 Kb

trying URL 'http://cran.stat.sfu.ca/src/contrib/iplots_1.1-6.tar.gz'
Content type 'application/x-gzip' length 336510 bytes (328 Kb)
opened URL
==
downloaded 328 Kb

trying URL 'http://cran.stat.sfu.ca/src/contrib/JGR_1.7-15.tar.gz'
Content type 'application/x-gzip' length 759394 bytes (741 Kb)
opened URL
==
downloaded 741 Kb

trying URL 'http://cran.stat.sfu.ca/src/contrib/Deducer_0.7-6.tar.gz'
Content type 'application/x-gzip' length 5941779 bytes (5.7 Mb)
opened URL
==
downloaded 5.7 Mb

* installing *source* package 'png' ...
** package 'png' successfully unpacked and MD5 sums checked
** libs
gcc -m64 -std=gnu99 -I/usr/include/R -DNDEBUG  -I/usr/local/include
`libpng-config --cflags` -fpic  -O2 -g -pipe -Wall
-Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector
--param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -grecord-gcc-switches  -m64 -mtune=generic
-c read.c -o read.o
/bin/sh: libpng-config: command not found
read.c:3:17: fatal error: png.h: No such file or directory
 #include png.h
 ^
compilation terminated.
make: *** [read.o] Error 1
ERROR: compilation failed for package 'png'
* removing '/home/richard/R/x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu-library/3.0/png'
ERROR: dependency 'png' is not available for package 'iplots'
* removing '/home/richard/R/x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu-library/3.0/iplots'
ERROR: dependency 'iplots' is not available for package 'JGR'
* removing '/home/richard/R/x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu-library/3.0/JGR'
ERROR: dependency 'JGR' is not available for package 'Deducer'
* removing '/home/richard/R/x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu-library/3.0/Deducer'

The downloaded source packages are in
'/tmp/Rtmpx96KAX/downloaded_packages'
Warning messages:
1: In install.packages() :
  installation of package 'png' had non-zero exit status
2: In install.packages() :
  installation of package 'iplots' had non-zero exit status
3: In install.packages() :
  installation of package 'JGR' had non-zero exit status
4: In install.packages() :
  installation of package 'Deducer' had non-zero exit status

What did/am I do/ing wrong?

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Ranjan Maitra
maitra.mbox.igno...@inbox.com wrote:
 What are you having to do?

 These are just GUIs from R, extremely useless from my point of view
 (by definition limited in abilities), but then I have been following R
 from version 0.1

 Ranjan



 On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 20:11:20 -0700 Richard Vickery
 richard.vicker...@gmail.com wrote:

 What happened to R? I can install neither JGR not deducer anymore? Is
 it just me, or does this happen to everyone? I guess I really don't
 need these tools, but the idiot professor in the political science
 class I took instructed the students to be stupid and in need of these
 tools, so I forgot how to work without them.

 Richard
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R?

[Richard Vickery]

What happened to R? I can install neither JGR not deducer anymore? Is
it just me, or does this happen to everyone? I guess I really don't
need these tools, but the idiot professor in the political science
class I took instructed the students to be stupid and in need of these
tools, so I forgot how to work without them.

Richard
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new acer, no mouse?

[Richard Vickery]

Hi Gang,

The new computer just arrived (FINALLY after about 4 weeks) installed
Linpus, without X, or X didn't boot up straight away - instead it booted
root. I rewrote the hard drive with our software and when getting up with
the recognisable Fedora 9 GUI I find that the mouse-pad doesn't work. Can
one of you fine people please let me know the keyboard combinations to get
into the system settings?

Wait! I can get there with a command, can't I? but how do I get there in
the GUI?

Thanks for the help.

Richard
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Re: Accessing usb in text

[Richard Vickery]

On Sep 26, 2013 9:38 PM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote:

 Allegedly, on or about 25 September 2013, Richard Vickery sent:
  I forget how to edit Grub: I thought editing was in /boot/grub and
  tried to vi grub.cfg finding an empty page...

 That was the old version.  Now, the /etc/default/grub file,
 and /etc/grub.d/ files are used for generating the grub config file.

 But that wasn't what Joe was talking about.  Rather than edit the
 configuration files, he suggested temporarily changing the options that
 grub will use as it boots.  Start booting, pick a kernel to boot from,
 but choose the edit rather than boot option.

/cut

I'm not at the computer, but I am sure that I don't get to see that option.
I believe the kernels to boot into comes up before the encription password.
Given this, I will give it a try when I have it.

I don't bring it with me anymore as it is hard to navigate without X. I do
like the idea as I learn to navigate in text given that it is extremely
challenging being so used to X, but it becomes rather useless since I
forget much because of disuse.

Something someone in Development ought to create is the ability to
multitask in the text environment.

Thanks for the tips,

Richard
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Re: Accessing usb in text

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On Sep 25, 2013 2:44 PM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote:

 On 09/24/2013 09:32 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:

 I believe that I would need access to the computer's OS tomove to a CLI


 At boot, edit the kernel line in Grub, adding a 3 to the end.  This will
boot you into a CLI one time.

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Re: Accessing usb in text

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On Sep 24, 2013 11:27 AM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote:

 On 09/23/2013 04:50 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:

 Automount works well on this machine in text, but then, why would it not
 work in text and work in GUI? What's the difference?


 If the DE is doing the mounting, it has to be running, even in the
background.  Try booting, moving to a CLI and logging in there, so that X
isn't active, and inserting a drive.  I'm sure it will be detected, but I
don't honestly know if it will be automounted or if that only happens when
your DE activates.

 --

I can't see anything until the encription password, and after this, with an
external monitor I get X until I pass user log in. After that I have to go
back to text. I think I had access to X for a moment a few days ago, and
lost it very quickly.

I believe that I would need access to the computer's OS tomove to a CLI
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Re: Accessing usb in text

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On Sep 22, 2013 5:59 PM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote:

 Allegedly, on or about 22 September 2013, Joe Zeff sent:
  It will be in /run/media/$USER/$DEVICE where $DEVICE is the drive's
  label if you set it, or whatever the OEM set up if you haven't.  BTW,
  /run/media itself only exists when there's need for it, so looking
  there ahead of time won't work.

 Does automounting even work in text mode?  I thought Gnome or KDE stuck
 their oars in to do automounting.

 If it doesn't, one could always manually mount it.  Find out what it's
 device is (e.g. dmesg|tail), then mount /dev/sdb1 /media (or mount point
 of your own choice).

Automount works well on this machine in text, but then, why would it not
work in text and work in GUI? What's the difference?
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Accessing usb in text

[Richard Vickery]

Hi gang,

I'm stuck in a text environment. I want to save stuff in /home to a USB
drive but I forget how it is mapped / how the GUI accesses it; I know that
it is under /run, and after this I am lost.

Thanks for any help,

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Re: odd issue booting F19 with LUKS partition

[Richard Vickery]

On Jul 18, 2013 12:25 PM, Patrick Lists fedora-l...@puzzled.xs4all.nl
wrote:

 Hi Fred,


 On 07/18/2013 08:50 PM, Fred Smith wrote:

 hi gang!

 I've put F19 on my Acer Aspire One (dual-core Atom) where it mostly runs
 just fine.

 but I've noticed one oddity (by no means a show-stopper) during boot:
 when it prompts for the LUKS password (for the encrypted /home partition)
 the box for password entry flashes on the screen, then the screen goes
 blank for 30 seconds (or so) then the box appears again.

 I noticed a day or two ago that if there's a bright lamp shining on the
 screen when it is in that blank state that the box is in fact still drawn
 there, but it appears that the screen backlight has been shut off--I can
 still see the image of it faintly in the bright light.

 Everything else regarding screen behavior is fine, but this one is
 pretty consistently occurring every system boot.

 This did not occur immediately after installation, but I first noticed
 it only a week (or so) ago (sorry, I wasn't taking notes...) so one
 wonders if some update has caused it.

 Any ideas on this one?


 Iirc there have been some reports by people that they had to downgrade
the xorg server package. Have you tried that?

 Other than that, the only semi-similar thing I have seen was during a
recent F19 installation where after some time the screen goes blank/black
(backlight goes off) and nothing would turn the screen back on. This was a
kickstart install with reboot at the end so I just left it running and
after a while it rebooted into a fresh F19 install.

 Regards,
 Patrick



Without X to make reading easier / faster, then using lynx how do I find
F19? Or, how do I downgrade X without the ability to see what I'm doing?
And in trying to fix it, I entered: video.use_bios_Initial_biacklight=0 and
it asked me for extra input.
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Re: WHY !!! ?

[Richard Vickery]

On Sep 14, 2013 4:46 PM, Jim binary...@comcast.net wrote:

 The flash-drives that are Partition and formatted fat32 are being changed
to Read-Only file system , moving back and forth in Fedora 18 PC and Laptop.

 So the only way I can get around the problem is to format two different
Flash Drives to ext4.

 Any one got any ideals as to why this is happening ?
 --

I used to have this problem. I just formatted them - to hell with
fat(anything)(!) If there are files that you need on these drives, find a
Windows box and save them to something else first: maybe your smart phone,
google drive, Blackberry Box, school online drive; if you need the flash
drives to plug into a Windows box, it won't read ext4, but I just save
files for this purpose to a cloud drive.
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X style in text

[Richard Vickery]

Hi Gang:

Is it possible to open a readable *odt in a text environment, since I'm
stuck in such, at least for a few days?

Regards,
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Odt to txt

[Richard Vickery]

Hi group,

Since I've lost X and my screen - only being able to see it by plugging
about external screen into it - I have a document that I saved as *odt; is
it possible to change the encoding through a command since I can't call up
open office in a text environment?

Thanks,
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Re: blackened screen 2

[Richard Vickery]

On Sep 9, 2013 5:58 PM, g gel...@bellsouth.net wrote:



 On 09/09/2013 02:42 PM, g wrote:


 On 09/09/2013 01:31 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
 

   Any Ideas on how else I might try to fix it?

 tho it maybe a bad screen as suggested, i would try booting a live
cd/dvd,
 or, install cd/dvd from an earlier release than fedora 20, just to
 insure
 that it is not a driver problem.


 in addition, you make no mention of age of laptop, actions in previous
 versions, new install on new/old system, etc,etc...

 so, what you set during boot is because bios is basic input output
system
 and is just that, _basic_. it is what oem works up for 'plain jane' video,
 ie, vga type output with _possible_ some configuration for screen
resolution.

 there is really no control over the the gpu, graphics processing unit
until
 a graphic driver is brought into use. then the fun and joy begins.

 f20 may not have _old_ enough ability for gpu in your system for various
 reasons. or what authors felt would make your gpu work in f20.

 therefore, because you see bios, i would presume that your gpu is working,
 as a basic gpu, but may not work in full gpu mode because it is bad in an
 advanced mode, video drives do not 'fit' your gpu in an advanced mode,
 f20 does not have drivers to properly work with your gpu.

 another question about your system, do you know what the gpu chip is?

 it is possible that f20 is defaulting to a 'generic' that can not handle
 your chipset, ie, nvidia, amd/ati, intel.

 therefore, to insure that gpu is fully operational, boot a previous live
 cd/dvd to see what you can. or even if you can boot an f20 live cd/dvd.


 i am shortly headed out for a movie and a bar or 2. will not be back for a
 while. but i am sure other repliers can pick up with what ever additional
 info you provide.

 later.



 --

 peace out.

 in a world with out fences, who needs gates.

 sl6.3 linux

 tc.hago.

 g
 .


Update: I don't see any see anything on-screen anymore; trying to get
something readable on X on the external monitor has created a situation now
where there is no X11 on screen - all I can get on the external monitor now
is a text environment.

Though I have saved most of the data on external drives, I fear the loss of
something crucial, thus don't want to reinstall on the hard drive if I can
avoid it. If need be, I lack wisdom is burning an image from text.

Does anyone know of a notebook computer screen-replacement reseller in
Vancouver, Canada?

Thanks for the attention,
Richard
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Re: convert wmv files

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On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:30 PM, g gel...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 greets,

 what is needed to convert .wmv file to mp4 or what ever?


 tia.

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 sl6.3 linux

 tc.hago.

 g
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A very convenient command called sox does the trick for me
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Re: problems in installing Fedora 19

[Richard Vickery]

On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Walter Cazzola cazz...@dico.unimi.it wrote:
 Dear Fedora experts,
 I was going to  install the new Fedora 19 on a old desktop computer but
 it hangs after starting Live Fedora message. I have tried both x64 and
 x32 version without any luck.

 My computer is an Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8200 @ 2.66GHz with 2
 cores and probably 64bit. 4Gb of RAM and 1Tb of disk. The graphic card
 is a nVidia GeForce 9600 GT

 Right now the pc is running a old mandriva installation so the hw was
 supported at that time.

 Any suggestion?

 Many thanks in advance.

 Walter



Perhaps the answer is just to wait it out and let it boot up. This has
been my personal solution for my box quite a few times - and sometimes
it's annoying - but it works, and it doesn't hang at all after initial
boot into the new kernel.

Hope this helps,
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Re: blackened screen 2

[Richard Vickery]

On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Kevin Martin ktm...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 09/09/13 13:31, Richard Vickery wrote:
 Hi gang:

 I'm on F20. The only way I get a screen that anyone can see is not by
 using the portable computer's screen, but plugging it into another
 screen. I tried going into the Power control but it's already on
 maximum brightness. Any Ideas on how else I might try to fix it?

 Thanks,

 Richard


 Y'know, I just had this problem with an HP laptop and had to replace the 
 screen.  I could *barely* see that the screen had something
 on it if I shined a flashlight on it at different angles.  It turned out to 
 be a bad screen.  FWIW, this was with Knoppix but the
 screen was definitely bad.  Screens on laptops are fairly easy to replace, 
 FWIW.  Lots of videos on how to do it and the screens
 tend to be  $100.

 Otherwise, I couldn't tell you what might be happening.

 Good luck.

 Kevin
 --


sounds similar to what's happening to me. I'll give it a try.

Thanks
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blackened screen 2

[Richard Vickery]

Hi gang:

I'm on F20. The only way I get a screen that anyone can see is not by
using the portable computer's screen, but plugging it into another
screen. I tried going into the Power control but it's already on
maximum brightness. Any Ideas on how else I might try to fix it?

Thanks,

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Re: blackened screen 2

[Richard Vickery]

On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Richard Vickery
richard.vicker...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Kevin Martin ktm...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 09/09/13 13:31, Richard Vickery wrote:
 Hi gang:

 I'm on F20. The only way I get a screen that anyone can see is not by
 using the portable computer's screen, but plugging it into another
 screen. I tried going into the Power control but it's already on
 maximum brightness. Any Ideas on how else I might try to fix it?

 Thanks,

 Richard


 Y'know, I just had this problem with an HP laptop and had to replace the 
 screen.  I could *barely* see that the screen had something
 on it if I shined a flashlight on it at different angles.  It turned out to 
 be a bad screen.  FWIW, this was with Knoppix but the
 screen was definitely bad.  Screens on laptops are fairly easy to replace, 
 FWIW.  Lots of videos on how to do it and the screens
 tend to be  $100.

 Otherwise, I couldn't tell you what might be happening.

 Good luck.

 Kevin
 --


 sounds similar to what's happening to me. I'll give it a try.

 Thanks

A friend from SFU suggested that it might be an x11 config problem
because everytime I boot up I clearly see the BIOS information.
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Re: blackened screen 2

[Richard Vickery]

On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Richard Vickery
richard.vicker...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Richard Vickery
 richard.vicker...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Kevin Martin ktm...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 09/09/13 13:31, Richard Vickery wrote:
 Hi gang:

 I'm on F20. The only way I get a screen that anyone can see is not by
 using the portable computer's screen, but plugging it into another
 screen. I tried going into the Power control but it's already on
 maximum brightness. Any Ideas on how else I might try to fix it?

 Thanks,

 Richard


 Y'know, I just had this problem with an HP laptop and had to replace the 
 screen.  I could *barely* see that the screen had something
 on it if I shined a flashlight on it at different angles.  It turned out to 
 be a bad screen.  FWIW, this was with Knoppix but the
 screen was definitely bad.  Screens on laptops are fairly easy to replace, 
 FWIW.  Lots of videos on how to do it and the screens
 tend to be  $100.

 Otherwise, I couldn't tell you what might be happening.

 Good luck.

 Kevin
 --


 sounds similar to what's happening to me. I'll give it a try.

 Thanks

 A friend from SFU suggested that it might be an x11 config problem
 because everytime I boot up I clearly see the BIOS information.

so, the next question is how do I configure the x11?
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upgrading R

[Richard Vickery]

I used to do this by scrolling up through the commands, but it's no
longer there: I don't know if I remember it correctly:

sudo yum upgrade updates.testing R

Do I have this correct, or am I missing something? I don't want to
forge ahead fearing that I might screw something up.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Richard
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Re: F19 : gnome-user-share

[Richard Vickery]

On Aug 30, 2013 5:27 AM, antonio antonio.montagn...@gmail.com wrote:

 when I click on a public-shared-folder I get :

 Impossible to get the position
 Internal error server http

 may translation is not correct.

 What does it mean??

The computer probably loses the internet connection.

My 2¢,

Richard
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Re: F19 not able to boot by UUID

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On Aug 27, 2013 5:08 AM, Mark Haney mha...@practichem.com wrote:

 Hi all, I've had this problem with Fedora since I got this netbook, and
have been able to fix it until F19 came along.  Here's my problem, for
whatever reason the system can see the HDD and install just fine on my
Gateway (Samsung) netbook but won't boot after install using the UUID.
With F16 and 17 I could do this at the GRUB prompt to fix the boot issue:

 set prefix=(hd0,5)/boot/grub
 set root=(hd0,1)
 linux /vmlinuz root=/dev/sda5 ro
 initrd /initrd.img
 boot

 I FUBAR'd my system by upgrading from 17 to 18 using fedup.  The upgrade
boot option bombed and dropped into dracut.  At the time, I didn't have a
need to investigate and when F19 was released I had hoped the problem would
be fixed and upgraded to it from the bastardized F17/18 system.  Still no
go.

 So, I blew away that partition and installed F19 fresh.  It still drops
to dracut with the error 'UUID does not exist'.  I rather expected to be
able to use the commands above to fix that but obviously the boot process
isn't the same now as I'm getting '/boot/grub/i386-pc/linux.mod not found'
when I enter lines 3 and 4 above.

 What can I do to fix this?

Since you blew out (the) partition once, and presumably have nothing
important on it, my uneducated guess would be to reformat it and try again
- since formatting is supposed to remove everything. Way before this, I
might call a dracut command to correct the problem.
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Re: Set default video application -

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On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA
bobgood...@wildblue.net wrote:

 This is F-19/64 XFCE.

 How do I change the default video application to VLC. No matter what I have
 done it insists on HandBrake. I want to change that ...

 Bob

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Would the solution not be to right-click on the video and click vlc,
after which at some point it asks if you would if you always want to
open with said program? I forget how exactly XFCE works, though
assumingly the later isn't as far from Gnome as this, if I am correct.
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AMD

[Richard Vickery]

Hi Gang,

In considering a new computer, one of those under consideration is an
AMD chip with Windoze; the salesman suggested that other customers
have said that Linux has issues with AMD. Do we have issues with this
chip? Since I haven't read anything at least in a long time I have the
opinion that it has been solved. Am I wrong? I ended up saving my
money because of his concern.

Thanks.
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Re: F19 install wonked

[Richard Vickery]

On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Les Howell hlhow...@pacbell.net wrote:
 HELP!!!  I downloaded the F19 live Games DVD image, burnt the disk OK,
 installed OK.  Won't boot.  Mother board is ASUS UEFI system.  Don't get
 Grubby!!

 Tried using the firmwire boot option to select the disk, no go.  So,
 what steps should I take to try and find this.  I can boot the live DVD
 OK, so tools are available.  How do I get the uefi to boot, and i want
 to make this system dual boot for windows for games.  I know how to set
 up the grub 2 after the work getting my F17 to work, so once I get
 grubby up, I should be able to handle the rest.

 Thanks!


My sense would be to get up with F17, call fedup-cli --network 18, and
then fedup-cli --network 19; but that's just me, a political scientist
gleaning knowledge on Linux from everyone else - who have much more
knowledge on computer programming than I - in here. Someone else with
better knowledge on commands may help more, or you could conceivably
search the internet for a better solution.

Richard
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Re: Cannot install boost-static...

[Richard Vickery]

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Georgios Petasis petas...@yahoo.gr wrote:
 Hi all,

 I am trying to install boost-static, but I am getting an error:

 yum install boost-static.i686

 Loaded plugins: auto-update-debuginfo, langpacks, refresh-packagekit
 Resolving Dependencies
 -- Running transaction check
 --- Package boost-static.i686 0:1.53.0-6.fc19 will be installed
 -- Processing Dependency: boost-devel = 1.53.0-6.fc19 for package:
 boost-static-1.53.0-6.fc19.i686
 -- Finished Dependency Resolution
 Error: Package: boost-static-1.53.0-6.fc19.i686 (fedora)
Requires: boost-devel = 1.53.0-6.fc19
Installed: boost-devel-1.53.0-8.fc19.i686 (installed)
boost-devel = 1.53.0-8.fc19
Available: boost-devel-1.53.0-6.fc19.i686 (fedora)
boost-devel = 1.53.0-6.fc19
  You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem
  You could try running: rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest

 How can I fix this?

 George


Try: yum install boost-static - without .i686, as it's unnecessary
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Re: *exe files

[Richard Vickery]

On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Steven Stern
subscribed-li...@sterndata.com wrote:
 On 07/27/2013 05:24 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
 On 07/27/13 09:08, Richard Vickery wrote:
 Result Code: NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x80004005)
 Component: Machine
 Interface: IMachine {22781af3-1c96-4126-9edf-67a020e0e858}

 My memory may be faulty.  But I seem to recall that this error message 
 indicated you're not part of the vboxusers group.

 There should be a line *similar* to

 vboxusers:x:1002:

 In /etc/group.  If your username isn't at the end of that line, you need to 
 add it and then logout/login.

 Good catch!  I forgot about that one.

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i have vboxusers:x:1001:
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Re: When booting F19 x64 Gnome often hangs...

[Richard Vickery]

On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Roger are...@bigpond.com wrote:
 Have you noticed that Fedora 19 also hangs if there are several windows and
 terminals open.

 I often have Nautilus, at least 2 terminals, geany and chrome and sometimes
 firefox open and intermittently everything except mouse stops.
 top still functions and is uninformative and there's nothing in
 /var/log/messages, system monitor shows nothing untoward, 60%memory, cpus
 running between 60 and 80%.

 Oh I'm using cinnamon not gnome3.
 I have to click on the X shut down button (top right corner) on each window
 and terminal till I find one that closes,  because the keyboard is also
 locked, close all and reopen again, all is normal for some time till it
 locks again.
 This is the first Fedora where I have experienced this problem.
 Roger


I tend to dismiss the hanging problem as my 8 year old computer, and
thought I was the only one with this problem. Now that another -
yourself - is also having these problems, it may be a bigger issue.
With a very distant memory of life under the control of Micros**t
Windows, putting more in to consume increasing amounts of RAM, I have
a slight, and perhaps wrong, view that perhaps we are getting better
and it is my old computer. However, you, as I, could run top and shut
down some memory-consuming programs.
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Re: HTML5

[Richard Vickery]

On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Martin Skjöldebrand
shieldf...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Saturday 27 July 2013 17.32.55 James Hogarth wrote:
 On 27 July 2013 05:33, Richard Vickery richard.vicker...@gmail.com wrote:
  Are there Linux testing tools for HTML5 code? Blackberry offers tools
  that developers can open in Windows or Mac, and offer nothing for
  Linux. I suppose I am answering my own question when I suggest the
  supposition that I can open files in a web-browser.

 Have a look into Selenium for testing of web sites (or HTML/CSS in
 general).

 Or Netbeans might be another option.

 /Martin S


I tried looking for the Selenium site and get a lot of stuff related
to the chemical. Netbeans was easier to find.
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cups

[Richard Vickery]

I have to take a moment and shout out KUDOS to whomever it was / is
that is working on cups! Although, by necessity, I and others who have
been around a while know how to work with the commands, having the
machine do it for the user makes it so much more convenient,
especially if / when the North Americans move away from those flaky
other OS's.

Out of curiosity, does our team develop with cups, or are they a
separate entity - for lack of a better word - altogether?
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Re: *exe files

[Richard Vickery]

On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Steven Stern
subscribed-li...@sterndata.com wrote:
 On 07/25/2013 11:42 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Steven Stern
 subscribed-li...@sterndata.com wrote:
 On 07/25/2013 01:34 PM, Bill Oliver wrote:
 I've heard there were issues with Win 8 on Virtualbox in linux, but I
 haven't tried it myself

 I also have a Win8 VM and it's OK.  There's an issue where the screen
 doesn't get refreshed properly -- I have to press the Windows flag key
 to get it to redisplay itself.  (This PC came with Win8, so I
 virtualized it before blowing it away to install Fedora.  The XP VM is
 from this PC's predecessor.)

 --
 -- Steve


 I did a sudo yum install obviously without the braces shown here and
 after install received the following error in /var/log:

 Makefile:181: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current
 Linux kernel. Specify KERN_DIR=directory and run Make again.  Stop.

 Where is the kernel? Shouldn't the install have known?


 As Rick points you, install kernel-devel so VirtualBox can compile its
 kernel modules.  Also, install DKMS.

 Here's the whole shebang, including setting the VirtualBox repo so you
 can use USB stuff:  (watch out for line wrapping)

 cd /etc/yum.repos.d/
 sudo wget
 http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/rpm/fedora/virtualbox.repo

 sudo yum install VirtualBox-4.2 kernel-devel dkms kernel-headers

 Once VirtualBox is installed, go to
 https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads and download the extension
 pack. This gives you the means to connect USB devices.  It's installed
 via FILE - PREFERENCES - EXTENSIONS inside the VirtualBox application.
  For reasons unknown to me, Virtual Box is added to the SYSTEMS menu.



 --
 -- Steve
 --

The machine returned the following:

Failed to open a session for the virtual machine Microsh*t.

The virtual machine 'Microsh*t' has terminated unexpectedly during
startup with exit code 1.

Result Code: NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x80004005)
Component: Machine
Interface: IMachine {22781af3-1c96-4126-9edf-67a020e0e858}
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Re: *exe files

[Richard Vickery]

On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Richard Vickery
richard.vicker...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Steven Stern
 subscribed-li...@sterndata.com wrote:
 On 07/25/2013 11:42 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Steven Stern
 subscribed-li...@sterndata.com wrote:
 On 07/25/2013 01:34 PM, Bill Oliver wrote:
 I've heard there were issues with Win 8 on Virtualbox in linux, but I
 haven't tried it myself

 I also have a Win8 VM and it's OK.  There's an issue where the screen
 doesn't get refreshed properly -- I have to press the Windows flag key
 to get it to redisplay itself.  (This PC came with Win8, so I
 virtualized it before blowing it away to install Fedora.  The XP VM is
 from this PC's predecessor.)

 --
 -- Steve


 I did a sudo yum install obviously without the braces shown here and
 after install received the following error in /var/log:

 Makefile:181: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current
 Linux kernel. Specify KERN_DIR=directory and run Make again.  Stop.

 Where is the kernel? Shouldn't the install have known?


 As Rick points you, install kernel-devel so VirtualBox can compile its
 kernel modules.  Also, install DKMS.

 Here's the whole shebang, including setting the VirtualBox repo so you
 can use USB stuff:  (watch out for line wrapping)

 cd /etc/yum.repos.d/
 sudo wget
 http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/rpm/fedora/virtualbox.repo

 sudo yum install VirtualBox-4.2 kernel-devel dkms kernel-headers

 Once VirtualBox is installed, go to
 https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads and download the extension
 pack. This gives you the means to connect USB devices.  It's installed
 via FILE - PREFERENCES - EXTENSIONS inside the VirtualBox application.
  For reasons unknown to me, Virtual Box is added to the SYSTEMS menu.



 --
 -- Steve
 --

 The machine returned the following:

 Failed to open a session for the virtual machine Microsh*t.

 The virtual machine 'Microsh*t' has terminated unexpectedly during
 startup with exit code 1.

 Result Code: NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x80004005)
 Component: Machine
 Interface: IMachine {22781af3-1c96-4126-9edf-67a020e0e858}

...and I received this, printed inside the browser, from the sudo yum
install VirtualBox-4.2 kernel-devel dkms kernel-headers link

[virtualbox]
name=Fedora $releasever - $basearch - VirtualBox
baseurl=http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/rpm/fedora/$releasever/$basearch
enabled=1
gpgcheck=1
gpgkey=http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/oracle_vbox.asc
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HTML5

[Richard Vickery]

Are there Linux testing tools for HTML5 code? Blackberry offers tools
that developers can open in Windows or Mac, and offer nothing for
Linux. I suppose I am answering my own question when I suggest the
supposition that I can open files in a web-browser.
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Re: *exe files

[Richard Vickery]

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Steven Stern
subscribed-li...@sterndata.com wrote:
 On 07/25/2013 01:34 PM, Bill Oliver wrote:
 I've heard there were issues with Win 8 on Virtualbox in linux, but I
 haven't tried it myself

 I also have a Win8 VM and it's OK.  There's an issue where the screen
 doesn't get refreshed properly -- I have to press the Windows flag key
 to get it to redisplay itself.  (This PC came with Win8, so I
 virtualized it before blowing it away to install Fedora.  The XP VM is
 from this PC's predecessor.)

 --
 -- Steve


I did a sudo yum install obviously without the braces shown here and
after install received the following error in /var/log:

Makefile:181: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current
Linux kernel. Specify KERN_DIR=directory and run Make again.  Stop.

Where is the kernel? Shouldn't the install have known?
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Re: *exe files

[Richard Vickery]

On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Rick Stevens ri...@alldigital.com wrote:
 On 07/25/2013 09:42 PM, Richard Vickery issued this missive:

 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Steven Stern
 subscribed-li...@sterndata.com wrote:

 On 07/25/2013 01:34 PM, Bill Oliver wrote:

 I've heard there were issues with Win 8 on Virtualbox in linux, but I
 haven't tried it myself


 I also have a Win8 VM and it's OK.  There's an issue where the screen
 doesn't get refreshed properly -- I have to press the Windows flag key
 to get it to redisplay itself.  (This PC came with Win8, so I
 virtualized it before blowing it away to install Fedora.  The XP VM is
 from this PC's predecessor.)

 --
 -- Steve



 I did a sudo yum install obviously without the braces shown here and
 after install received the following error in /var/log:

 Makefile:181: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current
 Linux kernel. Specify KERN_DIR=directory and run Make again.  Stop.

 Where is the kernel? Shouldn't the install have known?


 Do you have the kernel-devel package installed? You need it to do stuff
 like that.
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I think I assume things like the kernel being installed after
downloading and burning the ISO, installing, and working with the
platform, though I have done fedup since 17/18. However:

 uname -rsvp
Linux 3.9.9-302.fc19.x86_64 #1 SMP Sat Jul 6 13:41:07 UTC 2013 x86_64

Richard
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Re: Brother DCP-7065dn printer with Fedora 19

[Richard Vickery]

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Fred Smith
fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 08:52:05PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
 I carelessly bought a printer/scanner that has a proprietary driver.
 It worked fine in Fedora 18 and earlier.
 It doesn't seem to work with Fedora 19.
 Not much to be done with a proprietary driver, but I'd be happy with any
 reasonable solution.

 The printer is a network printer.  I have a CentOS 5 box that can print on
 it.  I thought that my CentOS 5 box could act as a print server for my
 Fedora 19 box.

 I arranged that, using the respective GUI tools.

 It doesn't seem to work.  So I think that my F19 box still needs the
 proprietary driver.  I get one line of postscript printed on the page.

 Is there some way that I can get the F19 box to treat the CentOS
 machine's published printer as something generic, like a PostScript
 printer?

 Here's where Brother describes Linux support:
 http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/index.html

 I don't seem to have SELinux issues.

 Have you actually downloaded and installed (and configured, as needed)
 the drivers Brother provides? you don't actually say...

 We have a different model (MFC-8480DN) Brother all-in-one at work, and
 using Brother's drivers I've got both the printer and scanner operating,
 though I have to admit I haven't tried it on Centos 6.

 Fred
 --


I have a relatively old HP printer that I found, after installing it
through the printer setup, that I still had to go to the HP site and
download the driver, and after completing this easy, brainless, task,
voila!
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*exe files

[Richard Vickery]

Is there any way of installing these - or Apple-based - files? I need
a couple apps, namely Starbucks and Buzztime, on my Blackberry and the
Android Starbucks app is pathetic on BB10. The executable files are
for testing.
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Re: Brother DCP-7065dn printer with Fedora 19

[Richard Vickery]

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 9:01 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier h...@mimosa.com wrote:
 | From: Fred Smith fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us

 | Have you actually downloaded and installed (and configured, as needed)
 | the drivers Brother provides? you don't actually say...

 I think so.

 I used fedup to go from F18-19.
 The printer didn't work.

 So I did
 rpm -e cupswrapperDCP7065DN dcp7065dnlpr
 rpm -iv cupswrapperDCP7065DN-2.0.4-2.i386.rpm 
 dcp7065dnlpr-2.1.0-1.i386.rpm
 to make sure the installation was done again.

 I do have glibc.i686 installed, even though this is a x86_64
 installation.

 The printer still didn't work.

I believe I went to the HP website, clicked to download the driver, cd
to the folder that the computer downloads to - /home/user/Downloads
- and yum installed from the command line once there
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