Re: dnf cached per user?
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote: With option -C just as it is with Yum. Also look up that option's explanation in man dnf. To get the latest metadata (and get rid of what's in the cache): $ sudo dnf --refresh update -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Replacing laptop cpu
On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 10:03 AM, jd1008 jd1...@gmail.com wrote: I have an HP laptop with AMD Turion II X2 mobile processor RM-72 / 2.1 GHz CPU, Socket S1. It is now causing blue screens in windows and freezes linux (pclinuxos, knoppix, fedora live). I have run the x86 mem test for more than a day, and found no problems with the 4GB ram (2GB X 2). I am wondering why the memtest does not freeze could it be that only one core is causing the problem? At any rate I wanted to replace it with AMD Turion II Ultra M660 TMM660DBO23GQ 2.7GHz Dual-Core Mobile CPU Processor, Socket S1 Will I be running into any problems? It's difficult to tell what exactly is causing your problem. At some level, laptops are disposable computers. It's hard to really fix them. They are hard to disassemble and reassemble. At least on a build-it-yourself desktop you can replace the motherboard without too much pain and suffering and get an overall performance boost at the same time. But laptops? They're getting harder to work on, not easier. I got one for my daughter that was really cheap, and one of the things contributing to the cheapness was the lack of a replaceable battery. You can't pop the battery out. There is no access to the RAM, hard drive or battery unless you take the thing apart completely. It's not like there was some kind of laptop-repair nirvana of years past. Once I had to replace a dead hard drive in an Apple iBook G4, and with detailed instructions it took about three hours. Other laptops allow swapping of a hard drive or RAM in minutes. But even one of my older Toshiba laptops (say 12 years old at this point) didn't offer easy access to the hard drive. If you can swing it, I'd just get a new laptop. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Biting the bullet?
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 9:08 PM, Rolf Turner r.tur...@auckland.ac.nz wrote: I have finally reached a stage where I may have to bite the bullet, grasp the nettle, screw my courage to the sticking place and upgrade my Fedora version. I am currently running Fedora 17. Which is of course antediluvian. But everything I have seen on this list with respect to upgrading terrifies me. Disasters seem to lurk everywhere and I haven't the skills to cope with disasters. Nor do I have access to any support in respect of Fedora. I've done double and triple upgrades before. Sometimes it works, other times not so much. But it always takes a long time. I think people's aversion to reinstalling comes from accepted practices for Windows, when reinstalling meant you'd lose all of your pirated software that some guy somewhere installed for you years ago. In Windows it's always better to start fresh. And while Linux doesn't usually accumulate the same cruft, it can't hurt to have a fresh installation every once in awhile. Myself? I'm a lazy reinstaller. I've been running Fedora on my current laptop since version 18 and have been upgrading via Fedup every release until the present (F21). So my current system didn't start out all that much newer than yours. That said, I've been lucky. If anything had gone hinky in the many Fedup upgrades I've been through, I always make sure to have a full backup of my user files. And setting up your environment with the software and settings you want isn't as terrible as it sounds. For instance, I have a very touchy Citrix situation. Citrix isn't packaged by almost any distros, and certainly not by Fedora. The instructions for getting it running in Ubuntu are longer than they should be. I decided to bite that bullet, as you say, and upgrade to a new Citrix version. I got the RPM from Citrix, uninstalled the old and installed the new. And it all works as well as it did before. If you don't have a good backup, you're playing with fire anyway, and eventually there is going to be pain. So my first advice is to solidify your backup strategy in such a way that includes more than one backup. Then crawl through your current system and make notes about what you want to re-create in your new one. Make sure you have backups of the configuration files you need. Things like my Unison configuration are in my /home directory, but it never hurts to have a second copy. I have a few things in /etc/default/grub that I need. So I make a backup of that. Then, with a current system at Fedora 17, I would NOT do a Fedup upgrade. I would reinstall. It's faster and more foolproof. If you're really worried, you should get another hard drive and image the entire system with CloneZilla. That way if things don't go the way you want, you have your original system to work from. That said, Fedup is pretty good, but unless you have a ton of bandwidth and a ton of spare time, I'd back up and reinstall. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F21 XFCE : no nm-applet icon
On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 1:34 PM, poma pomidorabelis...@gmail.com wrote: Consider this tool as an alternative, in difficult times when GTK+ bug hits nm-applet: http://wicd.sourceforge.net https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/wicd What's funny about this nm-applet bug was that NetworkManager WAS running, but the icon wasn't appearing. Before the fix rolled in for F21, I used this command in a terminal to restart the panel, after which the nm icon appeared in the notification area every time: $ xfce4-panel -r -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click stevenhrosenb...@gmail.com ste...@stevenrosenberg.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F21 XFCE : no nm-applet icon
On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: This is a gtk3 bug. ;( Update to the version in updates-testing that has the problem commit reverted: yum --enablerepo=updates-testing update gtk3 Thanks for the info on this bug and upcoming fix. Fedora almost always gets these things fixed quickly. And as a user, I really appreciate it. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Raid vs rsync -
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Bob Goodwin bobgood...@wildblue.net wrote: I had a mainboard fail in a box I use as a server, I moved the hard drive into old computer and carried on from there. Now I've replaced the board and intended to set it up using Raid to mirror two drives. However I have been wondering if it wouldn't work just as well to periodically rsync the drive in use with a second drive? For me, it depends on how much data is involved and how safe you want it to be. I would set up the Raid array and have either a third drive, or better yet, a separate server for rsync. Ideally the capacity of your rsync server would be many times that of your main server's data so you could make backups daily, weekly and monthly and save enough of them for file recovery in the event of human error. What usually happens is that a file is corrupted, by either man or machine, and then that corrupted data goes to your backup, and you are screwed. If you have backups from different periods of time, at least you can go back to an older backup and find a good copy of a file. This might also be a good use case for either ZFS or btrfs, so you can wind back the clock on file changes if there is trouble. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click stevenhrosenb...@gmail.com ste...@stevenrosenberg.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Best Way to Handle Packages
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Kelly Miller lightsolphoe...@gmail.com wrote: So how do people on this list normally handle package management? I use Yumex. It's fast and it works. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Dropbox is dangerous
On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Mickey binary...@comcast.net wrote: My computer was locking up and I couldn't open or close anything. I did a ps aux and found that dropbox was consuming 117% of the CPU and 70% of memory, after awhile I was able to Kill Dropbox and then I uninstalled it and now my computer is back to normal. My Dropbox just updated its software (that is controlled through the Dropbox application, not the normal Linux package management), and that update process could have something to do with the program eating so much CPU and RAM. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Moving old Thunderbird and Firefox in to new setup
I think you have to go into the applications and point them to the specific user file. When you do a new install, new user files are created, and the applications point to those rather than anything you bring over from your previous install. Here are some Mozilla docs that I've used to do this in the past: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Moving_your_profile_folder_-_Thunderbird https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/profile-manager-create-and-remove-firefox-profiles -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: current laptop recommendations
On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 12:07 AM, Heinz Diehl htd...@fritha.org wrote: I've installed some newer Asus machines recently, and all worked flawlessly. I am taking care of a new Asus that I'm just about to put Linux on, so that is good news. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: filezilla going crazy
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Steven Stern subscribed-li...@sterndata.com wrote: Thanks. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1175531 Thank you for filing the bug. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: filezilla going crazy
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Steven Stern subscribed-li...@sterndata.com wrote: I had to downgrade filezilla from filezilla-3.9.0.6-1.fc21.x86_64 to filezilla-3.8.1-3.fc21.x86_64 because the newer version put uses 50% of the cpu on startup, even when not connected to anything. Is this just me or anyone else seeing problems with today's upgrade of filezilla? I am seeing this, too. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora and HP Pavillion11 x360 notebook
New hardware is always trouble. As newer kernels catch up to the hardware, your experience in Linux will improve. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click stevenhrosenb...@gmail.com ste...@stevenrosenberg.net On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 12/03/2014 05:22 AM, Fernando Lozano wrote: Can't go wrong with a standard Celeron machine, right? ;-) That depends on whether or not you care that the Celeron processors come from the bottom of the barrel and just barely get past quality control. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: HP ProBook 470 G2 Linux compatability
To be honest, when it comes to REALLY new hardware, there is so much of if, and so few people out there to report back on whether or not it works with distros x, y and z, that it's pretty much a crapshoot. Of course Lenovo Thinkpads get a lot of developer heat, so it's a good bet that they will get support sooner. I have an HP Pavilion g6, specifically a g6-2210us, and while there are reports here and there on other g6's, I have yet to find anybody using the 2210us in Linux and writing about it. And I've had the laptop a year and a half. This runs an AMD APU, and I was able to get pretty good video performance with AMD Catalyst rather quickly. Maybe six to nine months in, things began to improve with the open Radeon driver. Remember, this was all in Fedora, where new kernels ship often enough to keep the good stuff flowing in. The progress with Radeon has been rapid enough that while Catalyst is better in some ways (runs maybe 10 degrees F cooler), actual video performance is overall equal in Radeon -- and, in the case of watching video in VLC, better with Radeon than Catalyst, which really surprised me. Getting suspend/resume working is hackish, with a mix of tips from blogs and Fedora bug reports getting me where I am today, with good video performance and working suspend/resume in the open driver. Again, it took me a year and a half to get to this point. Things always worked, but they are better now by far and have been improving at a fairly rapid clip. Now I can tell from looking at changelogs that the newer, more expensive AMD APUs get a lot more attention than the cheaper, older one in my laptop -- again probably due to more developers having newer, more expensive laptops. It's easy to say, just buy what other people have, but the recommended hardware on blogs, forums, mailing lists, etc., rapidly ages out of what you can actually buy new at any given time. So I still say, it's a crapshoot ... but with a lot of luck and/or effort, you can usually make things work. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 6:38 AM, Gary Stainburn gary.stainb...@ringways.co.uk wrote: I'm looking at getting work to finally replace my old DELL Vostro and I'm looking at the above laptop. I would love to hear people's opinion of this kit regarding compatability and stability with Linux. To be fair, I would imagine most laptops would be an improvement on my Vostro where kernel updates keep breaking the WIFI and I still haven't managed to get the built n cam working after all these years. The dist will probably be Fedora not not necessarily - I fount the recent thread on low maintenance laptops quite interesting. To be honest, the main thing is having a high enough resolution, and I'm pretty open minded regarding everything else so other suggestions would also be welcome Gary -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: Judging from the hits that you get when you search for a problem, Ubuntu. Although you do get many Arch hits, which is unsurprising given how good its documentation is. Could you image a Fedora Wiki as good as the Arch Wiki? That would be amazing. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free
CentOS 7 uses a 3.10 kernel, and my 1.5-year-old AMD laptop is not terribly happy with it, especially compared with 3.16 in Fedora. If I'm going to muck around and always follow the latest kernel, I might as well stick with distros that offer 3.16+ out of the box. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click stevenhrosenb...@gmail.com ste...@stevenrosenberg.net On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:07 AM, jd1008 jd1...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/28/2014 05:26 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 10/23/2014 03:19 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 10/22/2014 06:11 PM, jd1008 wrote: Any ideas what linux to use for such a person? Isn't that what Ubuntu is for? With Centos7, we are finally at a stable, long-term usable OS of our own. Given that it is built on F19, it has support for lots of notebooks and stuff. It will be around for the next 10 years. Just choose which desktop you 'like' the most. I personally am looking very hard at xfce instead of gnome. Am DL'ing C7-Everything ISO and will try it, time permitting. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Marcus Karlsson m...@acc.umu.se wrote: New kernel features and driver updates are backported in each minor release. That the kernel identifies itself as 3.10 is essentially just to mark where Red Hat forked it. Don't be surprised if 7.1 or 7.2 works much better on your hardware. I look forward to better hardware support as CentOS/RHEL 7 matures. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: When I learned what Gnome 3 was going to be like, I started looking for a different DE and ended up with Xfce. One of the minor things I like about it is that you can configure it so that a right-click anywhere on the desktop brings up your main menu; no need to go to the corner of the panel. After a year working with Unity, my sister had me migrate her from Ubuntu to Xubuntu. If nothing else, try a LiveUSB with the Xfce spin; you may be pleasantly surprised because it's much less of a resource hog than either Gnome or KDE without being minimalist. +1 for Xfce -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 12:04 PM, jd1008 jd1...@gmail.com wrote: So, between xfce and lxde, which one consumes less ram? Offhand I'd say LXDE is lighter than Xfce. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free
Fedup has been working very well for me over the F18-20 period, and that relative easy of use has kept me running Fedora for the past year and a half. I don't know if this is something on the Fedora roadmap, but a graphical version of Fedup would go a long way toward making many users more comfortable updating their Fedora system. While I'm not crazy about updating every six months, Fedora's practice of continually pushing new kernels into stable releases combined with the fact that changes over six months are by nature less radical than those over two (or four or five) years should mean that the chances of an upgrade from version to version succeeding are higher. Especially for new hardware, Fedora works very, very well because you get new kernels and other bits all the time, and you don't necessarily have to wait for the next distro release to start seeing things work better. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click stevenhrosenb...@gmail.com ste...@stevenrosenberg.net On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Bill Oliver ven...@billoblog.com wrote: On Mon, 27 Oct 2014, Tom H wrote: On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 2:24 PM, jd1008 jd1...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/23/2014 12:46 AM, Tim wrote: On Wed, 2014-10-22 at 19:11 -0600, jd1008 wrote: Any ideas what linux to use for such a person? Along with other suggestions, consider the support aspect. If they can't do it themselves, it's going to be you. Which distro can you put up with? Either working it for yourself, or finding a support forum that's useful for you. support from me is exactly what I want to minimize :) :) Definitely, Fedora would not be suitable for this lady I am helping. And neither would Ubuntu. You seem to be asking for the impossible. Whether you install Fedora, Ubuntu, OS X, or Windows, there are going to be regular updates. Why don't you install Fedora and put up with having to use an external repo for non-free stuff (if necessary) and upgrading every 6 months or so? No matter what distro she chooses, there will be a learning curve, and that will require help if she's not at least a little computer-oriented already. If you have taken on the role of helping her, you can't avoid that. But note that's no different than for Windows or MacOS. I haven't tried to do much with any Windows machine past Vista, but people still ask me to help them with their problems now and then. So I sit down and try to puzzle it out. The last time I sat down at a new Windows machine running, I think it was Windows 7, things were *not* intuitive. The same thing goes for finding your way around MacOS. Once you get beyond just clicking on apps, they both require some learning. The *difference* is that people who use Windows and MacOS have spent a *lot* of time learning it, but did it a little at a time over a period of years. So they don't recognize how much time it was in aggregate. Then, when they switch to linux, it is hard not because it's any more difficult than Windows, but simply that much of the *years* of work they spent learning Windows doesn't immediately transfer. That's different than being hard, and there's almost no way around it. Either she'll take to it or she won't. I gotta say, as much as I bitch about stuff like systemd, there's a reason I keep coming back to Fedora -- and one them is that updating the system is so freaking pain-free. And any distro without frequent updates is a dangerous distro, including Windows and MacOS. Er, notice I said update not upgrade. And, with respect to updates, you can't get much more simple than sudo yum update. Personally, I think fedora shines in that area. And, fedora supports its older distros quite sufficiently. If your friend sticks with it for a year, she'll be just another old linux hand, and won't be intimidated by either changing distros or performing a clean upgrade via installation. I don't know anybody who stuck with linux for a year *and used it regularly for daily stuff* who wasn't well-prepared for doing a clean installation. And, it's my personal philosophy that, for *personal* machines, a clean upgrade is the way to go -- it cuts down tremendously on malware, leaks, misconfigurations, etc. that linger with regular upgrades. There may be good reasons to keep a production machine chugging along, but wiping the disk on a personal maching every few months is a smart thing to do IMHO. billo -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman
Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 1:53 AM, Gilboa Davara gilb...@gmail.com wrote: I'd personally go with CentOS 7.0 (if all the required software is there) or Ubuntu 14.04 LTS. CentOS will most likely out-live Windows 7 and maintains a very strict update policy (you'll have to work hard to break it) and once installed correctly, will require little administrative attention. On the down side, CentOS has far less packaged software compared to Fedora / Debian / Ubuntu (Even w/ EPEL and RPMFusion enabled). Ubuntu has far more software, is easier to use, but the Ubuntu's LTS policy is far less strict than CentOS so breakage due to updates is more common. I'm also thinking about CentOS in this use case. It's still a bit early for CentOS 7 in terms of both stability and extra repos, but if/when I use CentOS in this manner, I will be using the El Repo and the Nux Dextop repos -- http://li.nux.ro/repos.html. With Nux especially, you get all the extra applications that CentOS is generally missing. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: The only problem you'll have with CentOS (or RHEL) 7 will be the lack of a 32-bit environment. If you need to run any Win32 or proprietary 32-bit apps (Skype) you're SOL. There are i586 Skype packages for CentOS 7 in the Nux repo: http://li.nux.ro/download/nux/dextop/el7/x86_64/skype-4.2.0.13-1.R.i586.rpm and http://li.nux.ro/download/nux/dextop/el7/x86_64/skype-4.3.0.37-2.R.i586.rpm I'm assuming there are 32-bit libraries for RHEL/CentOS, just like in Fedora. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: No updates for a few days?
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 4:38 AM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: Just curious here: The last time I got any fedora 20 updates was the morning of Sept 15. Have there really been no updates pushed out for 4 days? Usually it seems like there is 1 or 2 little things getting updated almost every day. (Maybe everyone is working on fedora 21 alpha?). There are a mess of updates waiting for me today in Fedora 20, so it was just a case of a couple quiet days before now. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click stevenhrosenb...@gmail.com ste...@stevenrosenberg.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 20 with AMD catalyst video driver
I keep hoping somebody will pick up the AMD Catalyst driver in RPM Fusion, but nothing has happened yet. There has been no RPM-packaged driver for F20, and nothing for F21 at this point. Options include using AMD's installer, or at least in F20, using the F19 packages. I've done both, and now I'm doing the latter (using the F19 packages in F20). Here are instructions for doing that: http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog/linux/fedora/2014_0522_best_way_to_get_AMD_catalyst_in_fedora_20 Fedora users should at least have the choice of whether or not they want to run Catalyst -- and have a distro-specific package from which to do that. There has been no break in the action for Nvidia proprietary driver users. That package has been in RPM Fusion without interruption. While I could say, just don't use Fedora, instead I'm going to say, Linux users should think twice before buying AMD hardware, which I wish I did this last time. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click stevenhrosenb...@gmail.com ste...@stevenrosenberg.net On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Joonas Sarajärvi m...@iki.fi wrote: Hello, 2014-09-15 19:18 GMT+03:00 Bruno Jean bj...@redhat.com: So my question is the following: Is the default video driver in the fedora 20 allows for a 2560×1440 external monitor resolution with AMD GPU, or I should go with another GPU (Nvidia?) or a motherboard GPU. Thanks in advance for your support, At least the built-in Radeon HD6550d GPU that I have in a quad-core AMD CPU works nicely with the fedora default drivers. While I do not have a 2560×1440 display to try with it, I do not have problems with displays of smaller resolutions getting set to their correct resolutions. The stuff you miss out on by not using Catalyst should mostly be some OpenGL performance and features, and possibly some power management stuff. But even with the Fedora default drivers, OpenGL performance seems sufficient for a large number of OpenGL based applications. - Joonas -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Thunderbird 24.8 and 31 never reached Fedora?
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Joonas joonas.lehto...@openmailbox.org wrote: Hi, did these Thunderbird versions really never reach Fedora repos? 31.0 24.8 or am I overlooking something? I have Thunderbird 31.1.0 in Fedora 20. I think the update came through yesterday. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: installing with xfce and a custom partition
I believe you can use the Anaconda hub and spoke configuration to customize your partitioning. And I also think there is a provision in there for selecting/deselecting packages. But it's been awhile since I've done an installation, so all this is a bit hazy. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click stevenhrosenb...@gmail.com ste...@stevenrosenberg.net On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Barry txsc...@fastmail.fm wrote: Can I install with a custom partition with the XFCE Spin Live CD -- Fedora 20? I have the CD and had started the installation and after selecting the language I get a summary that says automatic partitioning has been selected. I never saw an opportunity to choose a custom layout -- which anaconda used to offer. This is an old dual boot laptop. I want to save all that, and to save my old home directory. I would also like to choose my packages, if that's still possible. Thanks. -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Have you registered for Flock?
I don't know, and don't want to know what Flock is and I don't want to register for it. Please UNSUBSCRIBE me! Who wouldn't want to go to Flock? -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Lists li...@benjamindsmith.com wrote: I buy laptop with Windows, then buy a second SSD for Linux. When I want to play a game or take advantage of support, I use the Windows drive. When I want to get work done, I swap and use the Linux HDD. Just make sure the laptop has an externally accessible drive bay. That's a good way to do it. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Upgrading Windows on a Linux laptop
On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 8:19 AM, fedora fed...@ayni.com wrote: Ever considered to install W XP as a VM on linux? I was successful with both of them (XP and 7) installed on VirtualBox in Linux. This sounds like the best solution. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Which fedora?
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 5:05 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby mihamina.rakotomandi...@rktmb.org wrote: I'm a happy user of the XFCE Spin on a netbook with a poor Atom CPU and 1GB of RAM. +1 for the Xfce spin. It's been chugging along for me since Fedora 18. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click stevenhrosenb...@gmail.com ste...@stevenrosenberg.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Graphical tool that sets hostname
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Chris Kottaridis chris...@quietwind.netwrote: I believe I could use: $ hostnamectl --static myhost will set the hostname to myhost. However, is there a graphical admin tool that will do it ? In older releases network manager had an option to set the hostname, but doesn't seem to now. I don't think there is a GUI tool for this. But here is the Fedora documentation I use whenever I need to do this: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/System_Administrators_Guide/s1_Using_Hostnamectl.html -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Change Fedora 20 hostname
Start here to figure out how to use hostnamectl: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/System_Administrators_Guide/s1_Using_Hostnamectl.html -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click stevenhrosenb...@gmail.com ste...@stevenrosenberg.net On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:10 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: On 03/20/14 12:34, CS_DBA wrote: I changed the value in /etc/hostname but it did not change my hostname. How do I properly change the hostname? The proper command to use is hostnamectl -- Getting tired of non-Fedora discussions and self-serving posts -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Review of best photo managers?
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Alex mysqlstud...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone have any recommendations for a photo management app for fedora? I like gthumb. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: UEFI issue for dual boot.
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 7:48 AM, Mike Chambers m...@mtchambers.com wrote: I have EFI but at startup before BIOS, I can select how to boot up a CD or whatever, and couple of the choices are EFI or legacy (old way). I choose legacy, then do the install and therefore use normal grub2 and dual boot with no issues. This is exactly what I do on recent HP hardware. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Can't resume ThinkPad from suspend
What worked for me was adding a line pointing to my swap space to the GRUB bootline: resume=/dev/path/to/swap Find where your swap is with swapon: $ swapon -s I wrote this up here: http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog/linux/fedora/2014_0118_suspend_resume_in_fedora_20 -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 5:46 AM, Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have a new ThinkPad (x240) running 3.12.8-300.fc20.x86_64. I can suspend it just fine, but I can't resume. This is what I see in the journal: Jan 27 03:49:05 localhost systemd[1]: Starting Sleep. -- Subject: Unit sleep.target has begun with start-up -- Defined-By: systemd -- Support: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel -- -- Unit sleep.target has begun starting up. Jan 27 03:49:05 localhost systemd[1]: Reached target Sleep. -- Subject: Unit sleep.target has finished start-up -- Defined-By: systemd -- Support: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel -- -- Unit sleep.target has finished starting up. -- -- The start-up result is done. Jan 27 03:49:05 localhost systemd[1]: Starting Suspend... -- Subject: Unit systemd-suspend.service has begun with start-up -- Defined-By: systemd -- Support: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel -- -- Unit systemd-suspend.service has begun starting up. Jan 27 03:49:05 localhost systemd[1]: Starting Network Manager Script Dispatcher Service... -- Subject: Unit NetworkManager-dispatcher.service has begun with start-up -- Defined-By: systemd -- Support: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel -- -- Unit NetworkManager-dispatcher.service has begun starting up. Jan 27 03:49:05 localhost dbus-daemon[574]: dbus[574]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.nm_dispatcher' Jan 27 03:49:05 localhost dbus[574]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.nm_dispatcher' Jan 27 03:49:05 localhost systemd-sleep[29852]: Suspending system... -- Subject: System sleep state suspend entered -- Defined-By: systemd -- Support: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel -- -- The system has now entered the suspend sleep state. After this, I can't see anything when I tried to wake up my laptop. The next thing I see is when I had to force a reboot. -- Reboot -- Jan 27 11:51:44 localhost systemd-journal[93]: Runtime journal is using 8.0M (max 383.8M, leaving 575.8M of free 3.7G, current limit 383.8M). Jan 27 11:51:44 localhost systemd-journal[93]: Runtime journal is using 8.0M (max 383.8M, leaving 575.8M of free 3.7G, current limit 383.8M). Jan 27 11:51:44 localhost kernel: Initializing cgroup subsys cpuset Jan 27 11:51:44 localhost kernel: Initializing cgroup subsys cpu Jan 27 11:51:44 localhost kernel: Initializing cgroup subsys cpuacct ... and so on. How do I debug this? How can I get more information why the resume fails? Thanks for any ideas. Cheers, -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Convert a pdf
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Steven Stern subscribed-li...@sterndata.com wrote: pdf-shuffler yum install pdfshuffler I use it all the time to add or remove pages from PDF documents and to rearrange pages. +1 for PDF Shuffler, which is super easy to use. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora - Windows 8/8.1 dual boot
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Quicksort quicks...@orange.fr wrote: Has anyone successfully installed Fedora 18, 19 or 20 in dual boot with Windows 8/8.1 ? How does the installation process differ from setting up a Fedora/Windows 7 or XP dual boot ? Are there pitfalls one should know about ? I started my current system out by adding Fedora 18 to a Windows 8 system with UEFI. The installer took care of everything, and it worked out of the box. Since then I've done fedup upgrades to F19 and F20. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: what's the point of filing bugs against Fedora?
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 9:24 AM, pgaltieri . pgalti...@gmail.com wrote: I'm asking this question out of frustration. What's the point of filing bugs against Fedora at bugzilla.redhat.com when the response I get is ask up stream they can help you? I had a very good experience when I filed a bug in Fedora against the kernel (wouldn't boot in UEFI). I guess the kernel maintainers for Fedora are also kernel hackers, so they made the fix upstream. I guess bug reporting is a YMMV situation. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
No Catalyst in RPM Fusion for F20, no updates for F19 -- any ideas going forward
As many of you may know, the maintainer of the AMD Catalyst driver in RPM Fusion has decided to stop work on the package, and as a result there is no packaged version of the Catalyst/fglrx driver for Fedora 20 -- and no updates of the driver for Fedora 19. Yes, the Radeon driver has made great strides in recent months, but for my hardware -- a newish AMD APU -- the Catalyst driver is still far and away better in terms of speed, CPU load and functionality. I recommend NEVER installing AMD Catalyst directly from upstream, but I've tried over the past few days -- against my own advice -- to do just that. I have been unsuccessful in installing Catalyst (and still don't recommend doing it). I'd love to know enough about Fedora, video drivers and the like to do the packaging of Catalyst myself, but I am not anywhere near being able to do that (especially since I can't even get the upstream code to install successfully). Using the open Radeon driver is great if that's what you want to do, and in the past I've been among those who would rather run the free driver because of all the advantages it provides by not being closed-source. But now I find myself wanting and needing Catalyst, and in Fedora 20 I'm unable to get it. If there were any advance warning, I would have NEVER upgraded from F19 to F20 and would have avoided new kernels until the situation was somehow resolved. I like freedom, but part of that is freedom of choice, and right now freedom of choice and the best technical solution are really lacking for AMD video in Fedora. I've seen some talk here and there about the lack of AMD Catalyst packaged for Fedora, but overall I hear a collective meh from the community. There's a lot to like about Fedora, and I'd love to stay with it, but the lack of this driver in the short term is really driving me away. Maybe the Linux kernel, Mesa, Xorg, or something else will improve performance on my hardware, but the promise of greatly improved performance right now in just about any other distribution makes it hard for me to stick with Fedora. If nobody cares, and nothing's going to change in terms of a packaged Catalyst, I'd sure like to know now. But as a formerly happy Fedora user, this is pretty much a deal-breaker for me. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Chromium and Fedora 20.
On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Erik P. Olsen epod...@gmail.com wrote: There is no chromium repo for fedora 20. Will there be no chromium packaged for fedora 20 and on? There was no Chromium browser in F19 either. You can install Chrome from Google using their repo. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F20: system does not resume from hibernate
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: I have to ask: We should *we* have to do that? Surely, the *installation* *routine* should be setting that up. And how! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: f20 - hostname
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com wrote: During install I did not find a dialog to set my host name (FQDN). Somehow it picked up what I like for host, but the domain part it is picking up from dhcp of the subnet I was on during the install. I want to force the whole fqdn regardless of where I am. I think hostnamectl is the command to use (not just # hostname). This documentation for Fedora 18 should still apply: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/System_Administrators_Guide/s1_Using_Hostnamectl.html And you should also look at: $ man hostname It looks like this -- http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/System_Administrators_Guide/s2_Set_All_the_Hostnames.html -- is what you should do: # hostnamectl set-hostname name (In the example above, name is your preferred hostname) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: What to try instead of gnome - Re: f20 - gedit
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Dennis Kaptain dennis.kapt...@gmail.com wrote: Mate is a fork of Gnome2. I use it and like it a lot. I'd roll Mate, Xfce and LXDE onto the box to see what you like. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Thunderbird-lightning Version Incompatibility
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan jonr...@pacbell.net wrote: The current versions of thunderbird and thunderbird-lightning, namely * thunderbird-24.2.0-2 * thunderbird-lightning-2.6.2-3 don't seem to be compatible. I believe an update was pushed to F19 today to fix this. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: ?? About Google's Wireless HDMI adapter
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Jim binary...@comcast.net wrote: Does the Google HDMI wireless adapter for TV's , does it work with Fedora It does. You have to open up the firewall: http://forsetti.wordpress.com/2013/08/25/using-google-chromecast-from-fedora-19/ -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 20 with UEFI/Secure Boot
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 6:02 AM, Dave Cross dav...@gmail.com wrote: But it's just occurred to me that this new machine will be running Windows 8 and therefore will come with all the UEFI/Secure Boot nonsense. So before I place the order I just wanted to confirm that I'll be able to do something like that in a UEFI environment. I did it on an HP Pavilion g6. I did all my partitioning in Anaconda, and I'm fairly confident that if you start with a Win 8 machine and want a Win 8/Fedora dual boot, you can get it. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Speaking of UEFI
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 6:48 AM, Mark Haney mha...@practichem.com wrote: So, let's assume what I want to do is switch from UEFI to BIOS booting to get Win7 installed. How possible would it be to repair the existing F19 install to boot via the same method? Would I have to just wipe it and re-install? I would wipe and reinstall. It's not worth the trouble to do otherwise. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora's audience
I always turn to Fedora when I have new hardware because it's the easiest way to get the latest kernels, drivers and other bits that give that hardware the best chance of working. If it matters, I'm 47. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click stevenhrosenb...@gmail.com ste...@stevenrosenberg.net On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Antonio Olivares wingat...@inbox.com wrote: Guess all the 'younger' members are afraid to reply :) I am 72 (73 next month ) and have been running Linux since 1997...Fedora since 2010. along with Debian Sid and Windows 7. Best of the season to all developers-contributors and users. -- I am 38 yrs young and have been using linux since 2000/2001. Fedora Core 2, Fedora 3 and up to now Fedora 18/19 20 :) Using Slackware, Fedora and FreeBSD plus livecds Knoppix, SystemRescue, Slax, Gparted, etc. Best Regards, Antonio FREE 3D MARINE AQUARIUM SCREENSAVER - Watch dolphins, sharks orcas on your desktop! Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/marineaquarium -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Can't stand Gnome3, I think it's time for Fedora to move on
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Steven Stern subscribed-li...@sterndata.com wrote: Come Fedora 20, I'm doing a complete install rather than an update and will try Gnome 3 again. I can no longer tell if stuff that's odd is carry forward from earlier Fedora versions. If I'm unhappy, I'll restore my XFCE settings. I have both GNOME and Xfce on my F19 system. It's easy enough to carry both. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say rpm hell
Whenever you go outside the distribution and start picking up packages, be they .deb or .rpm, you invite trouble with dependencies, especially if those packages are not built for your particular release. Both Fedora and Debian/Ubuntu have very large repositories, and for Fedora, RPM Fusion is very reliable for those bits that don't come with the distribution itself, so I never experience dependency hell. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click stevenhrosenb...@gmail.com ste...@stevenrosenberg.net On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 08:46:07PM +0530, AP wrote: On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 8:21 PM, g gel...@bellsouth.net wrote: [crap] as in usage as a _noun_, which is defined at; This is really shameful to have people like you.. I think g was trying to make peace and you may have misunderstood his comments. Please, let's be polite to each other and not insulting. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Dual boot Fedora -- Windows 8
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 2:25 AM, Andre Costa blue...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to install Windows 8 on this last partition. Anyone knows if this will mess up with my current boot manager? Can Windows 8 coexist with GRUB? When I wanted to add Linux to my Windows 8 system and maintain a dual-boot, the only distribution that successfully did that out of the box was Fedora (then F18). This could have more than a little to do with the fact that I have an HP laptop and UEFI isn't terribly mature just yet. Going the other way around -- starting with Linux and adding Windows 8? I'm not terribly confident because I know that Windows likes to be first on the hard drive. I could be wrong, but my gut says install Win8 first and then roll Fedora onto the box. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click stevenhrosenb...@gmail.com ste...@stevenrosenberg.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: xfce, gnome and kde
Whatever desktop environment you're using, I recommend the VLC media player. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click stevenhrosenb...@gmail.com ste...@stevenrosenberg.net On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Rafnews raf.n...@gmail.com wrote: On 21.11.2013 17:39, Doug wrote: On 11/21/2013 03:40 AM, Rafnews wrote: KDE in failover mode You used this expression with reference to an old, slow computer. How do you run KDE in failover mode? (I'm not using Fedora--I have KDE on PCLinuxOS.) My pc is fast enough, but I'm curious, since I never saw that option anywhere. Or is that specific to Fedora? --doug Hi Doug, once i was in XFCE desktop, i installed with yum the KDE desktop environment and once logged off, you can select the desktop you want to use. i saw there 2 KDE (failover and classic). HTH, Alain -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Can't stand Gnome3, I think it's time for Fedora to move on
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: I am very skeptical that users here can really form any sort of consensus. There seems to a wide variety of strong preferences. However trying out spins and deciding for yourself what you might want is indeed a good idea. Note that there are several desktop environments and window managers that don't have their own dedicated spins however. There is a MATE-Compiz spin, I just found out from https://spins.fedoraproject.org/. I don't know if there are plans for a Cinnamon spin, but that seems to be the missing piece, from what is trending at the moment. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click stevenhrosenb...@gmail.com ste...@stevenrosenberg.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: UEFI: After upgrade from Windows 8 to Windows 8.1, F19 grub menu does not appear
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:11 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: Once in Fedora, you can use efibootmgr to change the boot order. Not all systems allow you to do this. My HP Pavilion g6 laptop will not allow you to flip Windows and Linux in the boot order. You can do it in efibootmgr, but nothing happens. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: UEFI: After upgrade from Windows 8 to Windows 8.1, F19 grub menu does not appear
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: On Nov 22, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Steven Rosenberg stevenhrosenb...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:11 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: Once in Fedora, you can use efibootmgr to change the boot order. Not all systems allow you to do this. My HP Pavilion g6 laptop will not allow you to flip Windows and Linux in the boot order. You can do it in efibootmgr, but nothing happens. So if you use efibootmgr -v before and after the change in order with efibootmgr, does BootOrder show the change in the 2nd efibootmgr -v instance? The boot order changes. But once I reboot, it goes back to what it was before. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: fc19 fails radeon hd7000
I have a GPU like this. Try the Xfce spin. You can't get 3D acceleration on this AMD GPU without the closed-source AMD Catalyst driver (which I get from RPM Fusion), and GNOME requires 3D. Xfce does not, and that's a good place tostart. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click stevenhrosenb...@gmail.com ste...@stevenrosenberg.net On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 8:48 PM, Randolph Jones jones...@qwest.net wrote: I installed fc19 on an a55m-e motherboard with builtin hd7000 gpu on boot screen has garbage at login; fiddling around gets me past login to gnome. the display is unusable; no text on icons, screen flashing, etc booting into fc14 no problems; runs fine what is wrong? TIA rfjones -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Netflix in f18 x64 xfce
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote: Same thing happens to me. I can run netflix-desktop from the Ubuntu PPA on this same hardware in Debian Wheezy, but my results match yours with the Fedora package. What desktop are using? I was tempted to try another hoping that was the only issue. Maybe you can save me the grief. I don't think the particular desktop environment in use at the time will have much if any effect on the success of Netflix in Fedora. That said, I'm running Xfce. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Netflix in f18 x64 xfce
Same thing happens to me. I can run netflix-desktop from the Ubuntu PPA on this same hardware in Debian Wheezy, but my results match yours with the Fedora package. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click stevenhrosenb...@gmail.com ste...@stevenrosenberg.net On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.comwrote: Anyone figured out how to get netflix working on f18x64? I have tried the netflix-desktop-0.2.2-1.fc18.noarch rpm and manually installed silverlight with: WINEARCH=win64 WINEPREFIX=/home/jcasale/.netflix-desktop wine Silverlight.exe /q as well as the automated installer from http://sourceforge.net/projects/postinstaller/ ang both kill my login session when attempting to play a selection. Thanks! jlc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
