Re: Five Things in Fedora This Week (2014-04-01)
I too think this is definitely somethi.g that is NECESSARY! I look forward to anything regarding Fedora ... - Reply message - From: Beartooth bearto...@comcast.net To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Five Things in Fedora This Week (2014-04-01) Date: Sat, Apr 12, 2014 1:13 pm On Wed, 02 Apr 2014 21:46:58 +0200, Suvayu Ali wrote: On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 04:12:16PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: [] This is the third installment of this series, and I'm still calibrating a few things. I'm aiming at a wide audience, but I'm not quite sure how much explaining I should do of general Fedora knowledge. Is it helpful for me to (as above), give a quick explanation when I talk about Rawhide, Flock, or FESCo? Or, does that just increase the word count for no reason? Let me know. I think the few words you add, are very welcome. I have been a long time Fedora user, but I still find the universe of Fedora is quite diverse and often needs some introduction. Second! I've been using Fedora since it was RH7, if not RH6, but of Rawhide, Flock, and FESCo I knew only of Rawhide, and not much of that. -- Beartooth Staffwright, Neo-Redneck Not Quite Clueless Power User Remember I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT meaning of sad [was: Serious OpenSSL vulnerability]
I would love to see that show again!.I.wonder if its possible to find it on some stations out in the U.S. Midwest! - Reply message - From: Mark Haney mha...@practichem.com To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: OT meaning of sad [was: Serious OpenSSL vulnerability] Date: Fri, Apr 11, 2014 11:21 am -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/14 08:37, Steve Searle wrote: Are you sure you didn't mean sod? :-) I am British (English) and calling someone sad is a minor insult. Usually implying they are unpopular or have no social skills - The sad bastard is staying in on Friday night. It still retains its official meaning too. Steve This reminds me of the Black Adder episode where Baldrick is applying to be an MP and Black Adder asks him his first name. He says 'Sod Off' because that everyone was always telling him to 'sod off Baldrick'. Being American, I'm not sure if that makes me 'sad' or not. - -- Mark Haney Network/Systems Administrator Practichem W: (919) 714-8428 Fedora release 20 (Heisenbug) 3.13.6-200.fc20.x86_64 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTSAhaAAoJEM/YzwEAv6e70w0IAK3huOhX1ydbdeiGNPJr+rir o/5+nIV4fubL4Lmybx0t9mU8oJt6tufFZEi3sISi4LcfClmYueGg56N2GZ5Tmqcu YQGm9j0RFmYZc5vbf5Oe0lv4J7TUj7bCMbKynoJWn9DhS1PYeI0WnQVxrVh8kFSZ 6lqULIBusXi6WO4eLGxZJBso3zSNZZnO9FXdfspXr6EhcA40YcRbDofsV5bg3EqD cA9IJr2GPUtnZhYqdJDNhAT+Q9m5MsjL71mxhDHFtOkJb2v/WyOVZKqj2tV8cdeg +XBWiA9Ujd4nWSsA3Gr5qDnvJStkA7fWRjMpJ17wjUM7hYsc/kuw7GHkT+cB3bI= =dz3W -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Serious OpenSSL vulnerability
I gotta sayI'm so impressed with the way this issue has been handled by the developers here @ FedoraI've updated all three of my Fedora boxesand will sleep soundly knowing the vulnerability has been addressed by the best and brightest! So a heart felt Thank You to the Guys and Gals who have dedicated their time to creating the BEST operating system to ever grace my Dell computers!!! - Reply message - From: Dan Thurman d...@cdkkt.com To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Serious OpenSSL vulnerability Date: Wed, Apr 9, 2014 2:52 pm On 04/08/2014 02:55 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20140407.txt See also http://heartbleed.com/ and http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/04/critical-crypto-bug-in-openssl-opens-two-thirds-of-the-web-to-eavesdropping/ This is potentially very serious and can cause leakage of private keys and other information. The current version of OpenSSL on Fedora (standard repos and Koji) is 1.0.1e, which has this vulnerability. An upgrade to 1.0.1g should be provided urgently. poc I know that F18 is EOL vulnerable, so can I backport OpenSSL with a fix? I am' not ready to upgrade at this time... Dan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F19: Is this an httpd attack attempt?
What's the best way to avoid/prevent this from happening?... - Reply message - From: Mark Haney mha...@practichem.com To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: F19: Is this an httpd attack attempt? Date: Mon, Mar 3, 2014 11:59 am -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/03/14 11:42, Dan Thurman wrote: It looks to me like a successful indirect connection? The following is taken from /var/log/httpd/access_log 185.4.227.194 - - [03/Mar/2014:07:27:49 -0800] GET http://24x7-allrequestsallowed.com/?PHPSESSID=1rmsxtj500143TRMUTP_ODZZWA HTTP/1.1 200 5264 - - It certainly looks that way. I see several of those kinds of GETs a day on our web servers. Not from that particular domain, but similar types of GETs. A quick google points to similar GET requests to that domain as far back as 2011, and the domain itself isn't live, just a placeholder for parked domain. - -- Mark Haney Network/Systems Administrator Practichem W: (919) 714-8428 Fedora release 20 (Heisenbug) 3.13.4-200.fc20.x86_64 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTFLTbAAoJEM/YzwEAv6e7lMUH/20KyuLCbB9FeGV5fbe1OB8s AQUxwifz9XyyD+5x3EEs4Oeg062/cyySVAcE5KyFEoQvfeMXGJEpzcHS2fXWHkSk q7w25D78iQzIvZlD0Y1XDxxJ4X8td6rBKARGTNyL94mRhunEJGH/kiVhqEBnJLxW o1GQLjlLg2vNlpDDjjhko4cqATDFJOv8fBDh/CyY/PcfHC8XcPR0SGQ+Tz24PnGx VzpIvysV2iJiARQgscg8/gDQo772eqLDLIEmo/6Z1uVBCYa8MUCxge122JMvAvJ5 hBiEIhc7s6VHGGImyQaUDxjZ/q47jBazmDp6SIu5fUyTlbl759JE33erOhkglIQ= =nqC7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Installing Linux on a windows hd
I would just tell her to backup all her data that she wants saved to an external device.then do a clean install of Ubuntu...and then she can transfer her data back. ditch WinXP altogether.makes for an easier time when its time to support it remotely. - Reply message - From: Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Installing Linux on a windows hd Date: Wed, Feb 12, 2014 9:40 am Allegedly, on or about 12 February 2014, Roger sent: A friend who is not computer literate at all has a Dell 1520 laptop which when new, Dell required it have xp installed. As has already been said, XP support dies very soon. It's not safe to use XP on the net after then. It was never particularly safe when XP was being supported, anyway... Seen it fubared within seconds of going on-line, even saw it pop up a warning about being fubarred, but did nothing to prevent it, nor would anything succeed in unfubarring it. Needed a reinstall. How I laughed when I watched my friend go through that three times in a row, on one night. It's not just XP, itself, that becomes unsupported. It software that can be run on XP, as *those* other coders abandon the abandoned Windows XP over time. Though it's probably quite likely that some anti-virus vendors will continue to produce anti-virus software for an out-of-date XP for some time, long after Microsoft abandons XP. That's been the trend with even older versions of Windows. Some do recognise that users are stuck with using old OSs, for whatever reason (e.g. workplace computers might be un-upgradable). If they are going to continue using XP, go through all the Windows updates, now, let it update all the bug fixes that can be done, and that'll take care of internet explorer, at the same time. Then stop using internet explorer, except for browsing the Microsoft site. Use other, safer, browsers for the www. But it's not new, now, is it? So the Dell *requirement* of having XP isn't really so concrete, and that requirement is surely going to have to change when XP is killed. If they must use Windows, find out the latest version that can be installed on the hardware, then install it. Though you may have something so old that it can't support newer releases. I do not know if her xp is sp1, 2 or 3 and have no way of finding out as all contact is by phone, she doesn't have a clue about finding out, me neither, and she lives some 120 km away. If you feel so inclined, and both of your internet is fast enough, you can take remote control of her PC, and fix it for her yourself, rather than play the telephone support game. Alternatively, have the thing posted to you, sort it out, then send it back. There are tools that give you summaries of the installation, and the about this computer option can reveal the service pack installed, at least. You'd need to try Windows update to see how many other things its out-of-date with. But I abandoned helping friends with Windows, long ago. I tell them that I don't use it anymore, I'm not up to date with its foibles, and it'll take me much longer to sort it out than taking it to a computer shop. It's saved me no end of grief. I would like to run her through installing one of the Linux systems on the second partition but am worried that on installing it may overwrite the windows MBR making her windows files, folders, etc useless, particularly Thunderbird and Firefox. She would not be able to reinstall windows without me spending a day on the phone. I no longer have the stamina for epic phone calls. I know that feeling. I had one friend who would have something go wrong with his computer, then get stupidly drunk before phoning me for help. It was hard enough, normally, but that made it extremely painful. The last few times that I've installed Linux (including recent/current Fedora) on a machine with Windows already on it, it has sorted itself out, and the boot menu lets you pick whether to boot Linux or Windows. Depending on which distro was installed, Windows may actually appear as Windows in the menu, or simply be referred to as Other. And Linux is usually the default boot option. Yes, it takes over the MBR, but the grub bootloader takes care of booting up Linux or Windows, so that doesn't really matter. It might be worth you trying out doing a multi-boot install at your own end, to familiarise yourself with it. It doesn't have to be a Linux/Windows dual-boot, if you don't have a Windows install to play with. Make it two different Linux installations. This person has no confidence with computers. Over the years I have talked her through windows problems but now I am lost as to how to tackle this one. Explain carefully and strongly that XP will not be supported within about a month, that they really need to abandon it. I think the best linux option would be ubuntu 12.04LTS so she doesn't have to update the OS. Could be... Or CentOS, if you're more
Re: New Install
Maybe try downloading the F20 installer again?...did you use Unetbootin to get the files on the USB? - Reply message - From: Leo Simmonds leo.simmo...@live.com To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: New Install Date: Wed, Feb 12, 2014 11:10 am Hi, I have v20 on a USB drive and want to install on a new machine with no OS currently in place. When I boot, the Fedora install page comes up but then goes into Starting Dracut Emergency Shell after the Warning: Can't mount root filesystem What now?-- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Installing Linux on a windows hd
YesI'm sorry but the original poster mentioned UbuntupersonallyI would install Fedorabut I'm just giving feedback.sorry! - Reply message - From: Pete Travis li...@petetravis.com To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Installing Linux on a windows hd Date: Wed, Feb 12, 2014 12:41 pm On Feb 12, 2014 9:37 AM, eoconno...@gmail.com eoconno...@gmail.com wrote: I would just tell her to backup all her data that she wants saved to an external device.then do a clean install of Ubuntu...and then she can transfer her data back. ditch WinXP altogether.makes for an easier time when its time to support it remotely. Hi, do you realize this is a Fedora list? - Reply message - From: Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Installing Linux on a windows hd Date: Wed, Feb 12, 2014 9:40 am Allegedly, on or about 12 February 2014, Roger sent: A friend who is not computer literate at all has a Dell 1520 laptop which when new, Dell required it have xp installed. As has already been said, XP support dies very soon. It's not safe to use XP on the net after then. It was never particularly safe when XP was being supported, anyway... Seen it fubared within seconds of going on-line, even saw it pop up a warning about being fubarred, but did nothing to prevent it, nor would anything succeed in unfubarring it. Needed a reinstall. How I laughed when I watched my friend go through that three times in a row, on one night. It's not just XP, itself, that becomes unsupported. It software that can be run on XP, as *those* other coders abandon the abandoned Windows XP over time. Though it's probably quite likely that some anti-virus vendors will continue to produce anti-virus software for an out-of-date XP for some time, long after Microsoft abandons XP. That's been the trend with even older versions of Windows. Some do recognise that users are stuck with using old OSs, for whatever reason (e.g. workplace computers might be un-upgradable). If they are going to continue using XP, go through all the Windows updates, now, let it update all the bug fixes that can be done, and that'll take care of internet explorer, at the same time. Then stop using internet explorer, except for browsing the Microsoft site. Use other, safer, browsers for the www. But it's not new, now, is it? So the Dell *requirement* of having XP isn't really so concrete, and that requirement is surely going to have to change when XP is killed. If they must use Windows, find out the latest version that can be installed on the hardware, then install it. Though you may have something so old that it can't support newer releases. I do not know if her xp is sp1, 2 or 3 and have no way of finding out as all contact is by phone, she doesn't have a clue about finding out, me neither, and she lives some 120 km away. If you feel so inclined, and both of your internet is fast enough, you can take remote control of her PC, and fix it for her yourself, rather than play the telephone support game. Alternatively, have the thing posted to you, sort it out, then send it back. There are tools that give you summaries of the installation, and the about this computer option can reveal the service pack installed, at least. You'd need to try Windows update to see how many other things its out-of-date with. But I abandoned helping friends with Windows, long ago. I tell them that I don't use it anymore, I'm not up to date with its foibles, and it'll take me much longer to sort it out than taking it to a computer shop. It's saved me no end of grief. I would like to run her through installing one of the Linux systems on the second partition but am worried that on installing it may overwrite the windows MBR making her windows files, folders, etc useless, particularly Thunderbird and Firefox. She would not be able to reinstall windows without me spending a day on the phone. I no longer have the stamina for epic phone calls. I know that feeling. I had one friend who would have something go wrong with his computer, then get stupidly drunk before phoning me for help. It was hard enough, normally, but that made it extremely painful. The last few times that I've installed Linux (including recent/current Fedora) on a machine with Windows already on it, it has sorted itself out, and the boot menu lets you pick whether to boot Linux or Windows. Depending on which distro was installed, Windows may actually appear as Windows in the menu, or simply be referred to as Other. And Linux is usually the default boot option. Yes, it takes over the MBR, but the grub bootloader takes care of booting up Linux or Windows, so that doesn't really matter. It might be worth you trying out doing
Re: What to try instead of gnome - Re: f20 - gedit
I guess to each their own.cuz I happen to LIKE Gnome 3!.LoL! - Reply message - From: Dan Thurman d...@cdkkt.com To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: What to try instead of gnome - Re: f20 - gedit Date: Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:32 pm On 12/18/2013 02:20 PM, Dennis Kaptain wrote: Mate is a fork of Gnome2. I use it and like it a lot. 2013/12/18 Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com On 12/18/2013 04:21 PM, Dan Thurman wrote: On 12/18/2013 01:07 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 19:42:35 +0100 bitlord wrote: (just as example), but probably should have some fallback solution on NONgnome-shell desktops I'm pretty sure it does. When I run GTK apps under FVWM, they actually get buttons in the app itself where they belong. Yet another reason to run as far away from Gnome as possible. 1+ I am getting so close to pulling the plug on gnome. Just getting too hard to use with a mouse and keyboard. would like to get back to something close to gnome 2. Like I still have on my Centos boxes. I have MATE running on F18 - and it has a ways to go with ~/.gnome2 as opposed to ~/.gnome(3) user settings. MATE fails to save workspace settings, fails menu reorganizations, uses caja/nautilus inconsistently, semi-fails XDMCP (Cannot log in remotely-unable to enter password), 'motion' does not work well on httpd+web browser and so on. There is more HD bloat (gnome2+gnome3) and it is a performance hog so a speedy MOBO/CPU/RAM is needed. The look and feel is pretty good, but it can get ugly sometimes. I hope MATE applications catches up to what it was before gnome-3.-- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora's audience
Nonsense!so far I'm the youngest...I've been using Linux since Fedora 9.. it has been a love-hate marriage.but I'm not leaving.EVER! This OS has got to be the BEST I've ever used!! To the developersmaintainers.marketerstestersand everyone involved with this distro?THANK YOU SO MUCH! times Infinity!!!LoL Happy Holidays to one and all...! - Reply message - From: Frank bea...@videotron.ca To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Fedora's audience Date: Wed, Dec 4, 2013 4:16 pm On 04/12/13 03:47 PM, ergodic wrote: OK I am 82. My first Fedora Core install was FC-3 and before that Red Hat 4 if my memory does not trick me. Today running in different boxes, F-18, F-19, F-20beta. Multibooting Debian Wheezy, F-19 and Windows 8.1. My most sincere thanks to all the developers and contributors. Well done. M. A. MacLain - Original Message - Sorry for top posting. This phone doesn't allow bottom posting. I'm 57 years old and I have been using linux, more on than off, since 1997, and exclusively since 2003 or so. I find it is more stable than either windows or macos and more usable than dos, even at the command prompt. Hth Dave Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 18:25:02 To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Fedora's audience Recent exchanges here and in related places have reminded me strongly of long discussions held on RedHat lists fifteen or twenty years ago. //snip// By this time, at an informed guess, the Boomers must be retiring in spates and floods. My subjective impression is that I see more fellow retirees than before, but I can't guess numbers. Does anyone here have such numbers, or know of a source from whence to get them? -- -- Guess all the 'younger' members are afraid to reply :) I am 72 (73 next month ) and have been running Linux since 1997...Fedora since 2010. along with Debian Sid and Windows 7. Best of the season to all developers-contributors and users. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: a different point of view to etiquette
True..and why do you keep insisting you are/were rude?if that is how you express yourself.then so be it. I said it beforeand I'll repeatI come here SEEKING the knowledge YOU possess.not your mannersLoL!(ooopppsss!sorryforgot about the LoL's!) - Reply message - From: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: a different point of view to etiquette Date: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 3:48 pm Am 17.07.2013 21:43, schrieb Carroll Grigsby: On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:53:18 -0400 Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. eoconno...@gmail.com wrote: Big snip I have been watching these emails pile up and when I open themthey're just comments and opinions. If there's is no knowledge being dispensed with this thread can it be closed?...or taken off-list? just a humble request asked in a polite manner. Thank You EGO II Eddie: Your best post. Ever. so let us forbid any thread without knowledge there would be a lot of silence days hence i would never have been rude at all if there where only threads full of knowledge.. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs RHEL
Wellto add my two centsI have been a Windows Admin since Windows 95right up until nowand I can say with no prejudice that the few users who run Linux in the office call maybe once every four to five months with issues.whereas the majority of the Windows users call CONSTANTLY with issues ranging from viruses...to programs that just DON'T WORK. If I couldI would flip the entire COMPANY over to Linux! I've been tinkering with Linux now at home for only a few yearsbut I haven't gone back to Windows since thenbottom line.those who know..KNOW! If you're happy using Windowsstick with itand then come see a Linux guru when you've had enough! Sent from Eddie's Cell Phone - Reply message - From: David dgbo...@gmail.com To: Cc: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Fedora vs RHEL Date: Sun, Apr 14, 2013 11:30 pm On 4/14/2013 11:23 PM, Dave Stevens wrote: Quoting David dgbo...@gmail.com: On 4/14/2013 10:25 PM, Thomas Cameron wrote: On 04/13/2013 07:53 PM, David wrote: Meh. My mom (nearly 70) and my daughters (6 and 10) all use Linux. My support level with them is orders of magnitude lower than it was when they ran Windows. It's also a Hell of a lot easier to fix stuff on their Linux boxen than it ever was with Windows. That precisely reflects my experience. I have a good friend, an engineer, who used to use NT. I convinced him to use Linux instead and have had a steep decline in the difficulty of support. He still asks me for help once in a while but it's pretty much routine fixes. Other friends with Windows still give me toothaches with the incomprehensibility of their issues. Like fixing a motor on a car with the hood welded shut. Dave My sons are adults and they maintain their own computers and phones. My mother uses Win 7 and in 4+ years has never broken it one. She use Firefox, Thunderbird, Libreoffice, Skype, and some program that I can not remember the name of that makes really complicated sewing patterns and stuff. As well as several other programs. She watches videos. Plays music. Streaming TV and movies. I fix nothing. IMHO? Use what works. -- David -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: yum upgrade
I wonder if they'll ever automate the upgrade process? to make it easier to go from one version to the next? seems like it would help make the process smoother for newbies Sent from Eddie's Cell Phone - Reply message - From: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: yum upgrade Date: Thu, Mar 28, 2013 5:18 am Am 28.03.2013 05:09, schrieb Richard Vickery: Sorry for the double-posting: I've been to the fedora-upgrade (wiki) sites and got confused. Can someone give me a shortened, simplistic version for stupid people (ie: myself) of how to use the yum-upgrade command? there is no simplistic way for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum if you do not understand this steps you need to read manuals or avoid a dist-upgrade with yum at all -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: About that installer...
There's always a way to get Linux to do what you need it to do: install F16upgrade to 17 then upgrade to 18?... Sent from Eddie's Cell Phone - Reply message - From: Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: About that installer... Date: Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:34 pm On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 02:32:08PM +1000, Dan Irwin wrote: snip Linux distros need to learn to not cater for novices. If you can't partition, you shouldn't be running Linux. I've been beating the drum about this for years. It's not just partitioning. The various OSs have been being dumbed down for some time, especially the DEs. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Icon Size.....
Cool..thanks!... Sent from Eddie's Cell Phone - Reply message - From: g gel...@bellsouth.net To: fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Icon Size. Date: Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:15 am On 02/08/2013 09:23 AM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: On 02/06/2013 09:07 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: Have you checked gnome-config, or whatever it's called? I haven't only because I don't even know where that file exists, but I will just search my machine for it and see what parameters it contains, possibly there's some switch that can be toggled or some value that can be changed..thanks! from a command line, ie, terminal using one of the function keys, ie, F1 thru f8 or a 'x window terminal', enter; locate gnome-config which will display path to file. -- peace out. tc.hago, g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Need Help - .CD/DVD ROM Drive Not Seen By OS.....
Well in that case I was talking about Red Hat Enterprise Linux Sent from Eddie's Cell Phone - Reply message - From: Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Need Help - .CD/DVD ROM Drive Not Seen By OS. Date: Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:29 pm On 02/01/2013 11:14 AM, Eddie O'Connor wrote: SorryI was under the impression that you never named another distro on a different mailing list Why not? We've often mentioned Ubuntu here and I think I've mentioned Puppy once or twice. Mentioning them is fine, even recommending them for specific people or uses is OK; just avoid advocacy. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: criminal use of linux
If theres indeed no teeth to M$'s claim..then they're just trying to see of they can shake a few treessee who gets rattled?intetesting..that a co. so big is so scared of the small fry Sent from Eddie's Cell Phone - Reply message - From: Christopher Svanefalk christopher.svanef...@gmail.com To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: criminal use of linux Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2012 6:26 am Best, Christopher Svanefalk On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 7:37 AM, Richard Vickery richard.vicker...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Joe Wulf joe_w...@yahoo.com wrote: Correct... Micro$loth has never passed up an opportunity to bully. From: Digimer li...@alteeve.ca To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 12:54 PM Subject: Re: criminal use of linux snip Legal fights with companies sitting on the kind of cash MS has is a nearly impossible battle to win, unless you can match them. So this has nothing to do with facts and more to do with bullying. Digimer -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org As one who studies laws, and the abuse of political power, I wouldn't worry about this; there is absolutely nothing MS can do - it's just a mere scare tactic. Richard, please do not see this as a personal criticism, but if that was indeed the case, then would not the legal departments of the affected companies (especially Oracle, who most likely has a legal war machine easily on par with MS) have dismissed it rather than letting the company succumb to the demands? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org-- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Unable To Update.....
Well I'm ALMOST sure my acct is rootI don't remember creating a different username/acct when I first installed Fedora. And when I install software and I get prompted for a passwordthe same one that logs me in also gets me past authentication.bit there have been times when I'm in terminalwhere I'm not permitted to do something...and the response I get is the system telling me that I need to be root.so I dunnohow can I be a root acct when I have no permissions...? Sent from Eddie's Cell Phone - Reply message - From: Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Unable To Update. Date: Wed, Aug 1, 2012 6:03 am On 08/01/2012 05:06 PM, Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I wrote: I tried Ed, but it's saying I don't have permissions..now I know this is ill advised, but when I first installed F16 I did the unthinkable and made my USER account the ROOT account, so I don't see how that's possible.hmmm...lloks like I'll be upgrading a bit sooner than I thought then?.need to get an external 500GB drivetransfer You've successfully weirded your system. Doing what you did is like walking around with a loaded gun in your hand, with the safety off, and your finger on the trigger. Don't know why you can't delete those files if your user is truly root. You could always boot a Fedora DVD and go into rescue mode and delete files from there. If I were in your shoes I would forget about clamav and just backup all data and install F17 from scratch. And when you install clamav, I'd do it from the Fedora repos and not download and compile from source like I think you were doing. -- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. -- Rick Cook, The Wizardry Compiled -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Unable To Update.....
Thanks Ed!I'll try that and let you know how it goes... Sent from Eddie's Cell Phone - Reply message - From: Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Unable To Update. Date: Mon, Jul 30, 2012 8:56 pm On 07/31/2012 08:46 AM, Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I wrote: I'm currently finding it difficult to upgrade my Fedora 16 laptop. I have tried being selective and choosing just one or two of the updates in the he updates list, hoping that after they went through I'd be able to do the rest but to no avail. I would like to submit a photo of the actual updates, but I think I remember reading that it's not allowed on this mailing list. SO I have just copied the names of the updates, and the error message I get when it fails. Hopefully someone can help me out with this!? Name Of Updates: The Linux Kernel: kernel-3.4.6-1.fc16 (32-bit) Development package for building kernel modules to match the kernel: kernel-devel-3.4.6-1.fc16 (32-bit) Header files for the Linux kernel for use by glibc: kernel-headers-3.4.6-1.fc16 (32-bit) Assortment of tools for the Linux kernel: kernel-tools-3.4.6-1.fc16 (32-bit) List of Errors upon failure to upgrade: ERROR with transaction check vs depsolve: kernel-uname-r = 2.6.40-4.fc15.i686 is needed by kmod-wl-2.6.40-4.fc15.i686-5.100.82.112-1.fc15.1.i686 kernel-uname-r = 2.6.43.5-2.fc15.i686 is needed by kmod-wl-2.6.43.5-2.fc15.i686-5.100.82.112-1.fc15.19.i686 kernel-uname-r = 2.6.43.8-1.fc15.i686 is needed by kmod-wl-2.6.43.8-1.fc15.i686-5.100.82.112-2.fc15.i686 Please report this error at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Fedoraversion=rawhidecomponent=yum Thank in advance for any help! It sounds like you are trying to upgrade from F16 to F17? Via what method? And you have F15 stuff still on your F16 system? Maybe a good idea would be to first run yum distro-sync And find whatever else is hanging around from F15. -- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. -- Rick Cook, The Wizardry Compiled -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: question regarding ls w/ colors and capturing to file
Just gotta say Ed, you're like.the Wizard when it comes to this stuff!..LoL! Sent from Eddie's Cell Phone - Reply message - From: Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: question regarding ls w/ colors and capturing to file Date: Tue, Jul 31, 2012 2:22 am On 07/31/2012 02:15 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: Fedora List: I can run ls -FR on a directory and get a lovely listing with lots of color coded information to let me know what is what. I have hit a directory that is big enough that scrolling though the output isn't efficient. I would like to capture the output of ls -FR into a file that preserves the color coding (I don't want to read each file as I wish to visually scan to see if something isn't right and color is a great way to see it). My attempts with more have stripped color. So has less. Does anyone have an idea how to capture the output of ls -FR that keeps the color coding? This is a low priority item ... just something that would be nice to be able to do Thanks in advance, Paul script -c ls -FR --color outfile -- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. -- Rick Cook, The Wizardry Compiled -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Ubuntu's Unity desktop repo for fedora by opensuse
WOW!.this is awesome! I'm going to try this out right away! Thanx for the info! Sent from my HTC EVO Design™ 4G from Boost Mobile - Reply message - From: Matthew J. Roth mr...@imminc.com To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Ubuntu's Unity desktop repo for fedora by opensuse Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2012 7:58 am Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I wrote: I only WISH I knew how to build my own version of Linux! I'd (of course!) test the heck out of it until I knew that every piece of hardware or software worked with it, or else I'd build my own alternative Here you go: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ Linux From Scratch (LFS) is a project that provides you with step-by-step instructions for building your own custom Linux system, entirely from source code. Regards, Matthew Roth InterMedia Marketing Solutions Software Engineer and Systems Developer -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Make external hard drive accessible to all users
Vs plc Sent from my HTC EVO Design™ 4G from Boost Mobile - Reply message - From: Rick Stevens ri...@alldigital.com To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Make external hard drive accessible to all users Date: Fri, Jul 13, 2012 4:39 pm On 07/13/2012 01:25 PM, Pasha R issued this missive:: F17 introduced a change to how external drives are mounted. They are mounted now exclusively to a logged on user. This is somewhat inconvenient, because iso images stored on external drive is now inaccessible to virtual machines. Is it possible to make drives accessible to everyone? Add the mount to /etc/fstab and make sure the auto option is included. Something like: /path/to/device/mountpointext4 defaults,auto 0 0 -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - Whoever said Money can't buy friends obviously never brought - -donuts to the office. - -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
