Re: F22: XFCE issues
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 4:01 AM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: The gnome-shell is not 'under Xfce'. Its the way gdm works. It was definitely still the case in Fedora 21. ;) OK. But unlike Fedora 22, in Fedora 21 there wasn't a gnome-shell process running together with XFCE. Probably something has changed in the GDM version shipped with F22 Indeed, I didn't noted the parameter --mode=gdm passed to gnome-shell, which might run a lightweight version of gnome-shell needed by GDM Anyway, to see gnome-shell running inside XFCE was rather confusing and disappointing (since I don't like gnome-shell) ;-) Cheers, Marco -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
F22: XFCE issues
Hi, the command $ dnf group install XFCE installs kernel debug stuff (kernel-debug-core, kernel-debug-modules,...). I have to remove them after installation. Also, XFCE runs gnome-shell! Unless I miss something from last XFCE updates, I think this is wrong Cheers, Marco -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F22: XFCE issues
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 11:30 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: This may be because you had the kernel-debug packages installed before for some reason? I think not. I installed F22 workstation, then I run yum update (which translated into dnf update) and finally I installed XFCE with the above command If you 'dnf remove kernel-debug\*' does it also want to remove NetworkManager-l2tp? Yes, it does. It also removed libreswan xl2tpd For the gnome-shell issue, I confirm I still use GDM (like I did in F21). From GDM I choose the XFCE session. This is branch of processes that are children of GDM: Thats completely normal. gdm is basically a special gnome-shell session. So, yes, it runs gnome-shell. This has nothing to do with Xfce, it's just that gdm runs this way. But this has changed since F21. I'm pretty sure that in F21 the use of GDM did not lead to the execution of gnome-shell under XFCE (not even under MATE and CINNAMON, all of those started from GDM) To me, it looks like a bug (not necessarily of XFCE, say of F22)- If you don't want that, switch to lightdm. dnf install lightdm systemctl enable lightdm --force OK! Thank you so much for the hint Cheers, Marco -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F22: XFCE issues
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 11:08 PM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 05/27/2015 01:48 PM, Marco Guazzone wrote: installs kernel debug stuff (kernel-debug-core, kernel-debug-modules,...). I have to remove them after installation. Correction to the last message: I have some debug stuff installed on my laptop because abrt has needed them. There are no kernel debug packages installed on my desktop, running Xfce and Compiz. Hi all, For the kernel debug stuff, I think I've found the problem. If you look at the output of: $ dnf group info Xfce you'll see the package NetworkManager-l2tp Now, if you install this package, then you'll get the kernel debug stuff. That is: $ dnf install NetworkManager-l2tp Installing: NetworkManager-l2tp x86_64 0.9.8.7-3.fc22 fedora 95 k kernel-debug-core x86_64 4.0.4-301.fc22 fedora 20 M kernel-debug-modules x86_64 4.0.4-301.fc22 fedora 18 M kernel-debug-modules-extrax86_64 4.0.4-301.fc22 fedora2.3 M libreswan x86_64 3.12-1.fc22 fedora1.1 M xl2tpdx86_64 1.3.6-8.fc22 fedora140 k For the gnome-shell issue, I confirm I still use GDM (like I did in F21). From GDM I choose the XFCE session. This is branch of processes that are children of GDM: root 834 0.0 0.0 395232 7508 ?Ssl 22:35 0:00 /usr/sbin/gdm root 860 0.0 0.0 358732 7936 ?Sl 22:35 0:00 \_ gdm-session-worker [pam/gdm-launch-environment] gdm 1024 0.0 0.0 309280 5700 tty1 Ssl+ 22:35 0:00 | \_ /usr/libexec/gdm-wayland-session /usr/bin/gnome-session --autostart /usr/share/gdm/greeter/autostart --session gnome gdm 1027 0.0 0.0 62664 4380 tty1 Sl+ 22:35 0:00 | \_ dbus-daemon --print-address 3 --session gdm 1130 0.0 0.1 593640 14376 tty1 Sl+ 22:35 0:00 | \_ /usr/bin/gnome-session --autostart /usr/share/gdm/greeter/autostart --session gnome-wayland gdm 1152 0.6 1.5 1476048 123516 tty1 Sl+ 22:35 0:16 | \_ gnome-shell --mode=gdm --wayland --display-server gdm 1210 0.0 0.5 265120 43848 tty1 Sl+ 22:35 0:00 | | \_ /usr/bin/Xwayland :1024 -rootless -noreset -listen 4 -listen 5 -displayfd 6 gdm 1243 0.0 0.1 491668 11092 tty1 Sl 22:36 0:00 | | \_ ibus-daemon --xim --panel disable gdm 1247 0.0 0.1 414300 9096 tty1 Sl 22:36 0:00 | | \_ /usr/libexec/ibus-dconf gdm 1347 0.0 0.1 340500 8956 tty1 Sl 22:36 0:00 | | \_ /usr/libexec/ibus-engine-simple gdm 1264 0.0 0.5 981160 41248 tty1 Sl+ 22:36 0:00 | \_ /usr/libexec/gnome-settings-daemon root 1441 0.0 0.1 373240 8556 ?Sl 22:37 0:00 \_ gdm-session-worker [pam/gdm-password] sguazt1507 0.0 0.0 311356 6132 tty2 Ssl+ 22:37 0:00 \_ /usr/libexec/gdm-x-session --run-script startxfce4 sguazt1513 1.7 3.0 1610132 246652 tty2 Sl+ 22:37 0:44 \_ /usr/libexec/Xorg vt2 -displayfd 3 -auth /run/user/1000/gdm/Xauthority -nolisten tcp -background none -noreset -k root 1579 0.0 0.0 4168 708 tty2 S+ 22:37 0:00 | \_ /usr/libexec/xf86-video-intel-backlight-helper intel_backlight sguazt1610 0.0 0.0 63024 4752 tty2 Sl+ 22:37 0:00 \_ dbus-daemon --print-address 4 --session sguazt1613 0.0 0.0 114868 3048 tty2 S+ 22:37 0:00 \_ /bin/sh /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc -- vt sguazt1629 0.0 0.0 53392 572 ?Ss 22:37 0:00 \_ /usr/bin/ssh-agent /bin/sh -c exec -l /bin/bash -c startxfce4 sguazt1672 0.0 0.2 462012 17296 tty2 Sl+ 22:37 0:00 \_ xfce4-session sguazt1679 0.1 0.2 300132 22624 tty2 S+ 22:37 0:04 \_ xfwm4 --display :0.0 --sm-client-id 21545f962-7eda-4fa5-8ccd-d19919917db3 sguazt1682 0.1 0.3 507852 29116 tty2 Sl+ 22:37 0:03 \_ xfce4-panel --display :0.0 --sm-client-id 20384e3fb-ea45-488c-9d62-36313db70e41 sguazt1725 0.0 0.2 399104 20904 tty2 Sl+ 22:37 0:00 | \_ /usr/lib64/xfce4/panel/wrapper-1.0 /usr/lib64/xfce4/panel/plugins/libxfce4powermanager.so 7 8388641 p sguazt1730 0.0 0.2 287244 17564 tty2 S+ 22:37 0:00 | \_ /usr/lib64/xfce4/panel/wrapper-1.0 /usr/lib64/xfce4/panel/plugins/libdatetime.so 18 8388642 datetime sguazt1731 0.0 0.2 290840 16388 tty2 S+ 22:37 0:00 | \_
Re: F22: XFCE issues
On Wed, 27 May 2015 23:24:01 +0200 Marco Guazzone marco.guazz...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 11:08 PM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 05/27/2015 01:48 PM, Marco Guazzone wrote: installs kernel debug stuff (kernel-debug-core, kernel-debug-modules,...). I have to remove them after installation. Correction to the last message: I have some debug stuff installed on my laptop because abrt has needed them. There are no kernel debug packages installed on my desktop, running Xfce and Compiz. Hi all, For the kernel debug stuff, I think I've found the problem. If you look at the output of: $ dnf group info Xfce you'll see the package NetworkManager-l2tp Now, if you install this package, then you'll get the kernel debug stuff. That is: $ dnf install NetworkManager-l2tp Installing: NetworkManager-l2tp x86_64 0.9.8.7-3.fc22 fedora 95 k kernel-debug-core x86_64 4.0.4-301.fc22 fedora 20 M kernel-debug-modules x86_64 4.0.4-301.fc22 fedora 18 M kernel-debug-modules-extrax86_64 4.0.4-301.fc22 fedora2.3 M libreswan x86_64 3.12-1.fc22 fedora1.1 M xl2tpdx86_64 1.3.6-8.fc22 fedora140 k This may be because you had the kernel-debug packages installed before for some reason? If you 'dnf remove kernel-debug\*' does it also want to remove NetworkManager-l2tp? For the gnome-shell issue, I confirm I still use GDM (like I did in F21). From GDM I choose the XFCE session. This is branch of processes that are children of GDM: Thats completely normal. gdm is basically a special gnome-shell session. So, yes, it runs gnome-shell. This has nothing to do with Xfce, it's just that gdm runs this way. If you don't want that, switch to lightdm. dnf install lightdm systemctl enable lightdm --force kevin pgpEwmhI1EczT.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F22: XFCE issues
On Wed, 27 May 2015 22:48:13 +0200 Marco Guazzone marco.guazz...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, the command $ dnf group install XFCE installs kernel debug stuff (kernel-debug-core, kernel-debug-modules,...). I have to remove them after installation. That seems quite odd. Can you attach the command and full output you see? Also, XFCE runs gnome-shell! No, that should not be the case. How are you running Xfce? How are you seeing gnome-shell? Unless I miss something from last XFCE updates, I think this is wrong Indeed. kevin pgpjbovRTP3BM.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F22: XFCE issues
On 05/27/2015 01:48 PM, Marco Guazzone wrote: $ dnf group install XFCE I'm not familiar with dnf as yet, but that doesn't look quite right. In yum, I know, it would look like this: yum group install Xfce Desktop Has the name of the group changed? installs kernel debug stuff (kernel-debug-core, kernel-debug-modules,...). I have to remove them after installation. That doesn't sound right. I can't check, because I have some of that installed because abrt has needed it for bug reports. You might want to check at the official Xfce forum, http://forum.xfce.org/index.php because they'll know more than people who don't use it will. Also, XFCE runs gnome-shell! Unless I miss something from last XFCE updates, I think this is wrong That looks wrong; very, very wrong. I use Xfce, and don't even have gnome-shell installed. (Among other things, I use Compiz, which gnome-shell refuses to support.) You may still be using gdm, the gnome greeter, because I know that it has some odd dependencies, and may be doing something funny in the background. Try installing lightdm, then enable it, mask gdm and reboot. That way, you know it's not running, but you haven't burnt any bridges. In any event, good luck getting this fixed and keep us informed. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F22: XFCE issues
On 05/27/2015 01:48 PM, Marco Guazzone wrote: installs kernel debug stuff (kernel-debug-core, kernel-debug-modules,...). I have to remove them after installation. Correction to the last message: I have some debug stuff installed on my laptop because abrt has needed them. There are no kernel debug packages installed on my desktop, running Xfce and Compiz. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F22: XFCE issues
On 05/27/2015 02:24 PM, Marco Guazzone wrote: gdm 1152 0.6 1.5 1476048 123516 tty1 Sl+ 22:35 0:16 | \_ gnome-shell --mode=gdm --wayland --display-server Here it is: gdm is starting gnome-shell, even though gnome itself isn't running. I don't know why, but if it were me, I'd call it a major bug. Install lightdm, mask gdm, reboot, and this should go away. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F22: XFCE issues
On 05/27/2015 06:20 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: It doesn't contradict what I said either. RPM spec description is meant for end users to understand what a package does but not necessarily how it is internally structured and it is not typically considered project documentation. Agreed, which is why I didn't say that it contradicted it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F22: XFCE issues
On 05/27/2015 04:36 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 05/27/2015 02:24 PM, Marco Guazzone wrote: gdm 1152 0.6 1.5 1476048 123516 tty1 Sl+ 22:35 0:16 | \_ gnome-shell --mode=gdm --wayland --display-server Here it is: gdm is starting gnome-shell, even though gnome itself isn't running. I don't know why, but if it were me, I'd call it a major bug. Not really. GDM is nothing but GNOME Shell running in a login mode as seen evidently here. Here's the description of gdm as given by yum info gdm: Description : GDM provides the graphical login screen, shown shortly after boot : up, log out, and when user-switching. You may very well be right, but if so, the documentation provided by yum doesn't back up your claim. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F22: XFCE issues
On 05/27/2015 04:24 PM, Marco Guazzone wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 11:08 PM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 05/27/2015 01:48 PM, Marco Guazzone wrote: installs kernel debug stuff (kernel-debug-core, kernel-debug-modules,...). I have to remove them after installation. Correction to the last message: I have some debug stuff installed on my laptop because abrt has needed them. There are no kernel debug packages installed on my desktop, running Xfce and Compiz. Hi all, For the kernel debug stuff, I think I've found the problem. If you look at the output of: $ dnf group info Xfce you'll see the package NetworkManager-l2tp Now, if you install this package, then you'll get the kernel debug stuff. That is: $ dnf install NetworkManager-l2tp try: dnf install NetworkManager-l2tp kernel-modules-extra to prevent installing the debug versions Cheers, Marco -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F22: XFCE issues
Hi On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 05/27/2015 02:24 PM, Marco Guazzone wrote: gdm 1152 0.6 1.5 1476048 123516 tty1 Sl+ 22:35 0:16 | \_ gnome-shell --mode=gdm --wayland --display-server Here it is: gdm is starting gnome-shell, even though gnome itself isn't running. I don't know why, but if it were me, I'd call it a major bug. Not really. GDM is nothing but GNOME Shell running in a login mode as seen evidently here. Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F22: XFCE issues
Hi On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 8:02 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: Here's the description of gdm as given by yum info gdm: Description : GDM provides the graphical login screen, shown shortly after boot : up, log out, and when user-switching. You may very well be right, but if so, the documentation provided by yum doesn't back up your claim. It doesn't contradict what I said either. RPM spec description is meant for end users to understand what a package does but not necessarily how it is internally structured and it is not typically considered project documentation. The process list you posted has the relevant info (ie) gnome-shell --mode=gdm. Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F22: XFCE issues
On Wed, 27 May 2015 23:43:26 +0200 Marco Guazzone marco.guazz...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 11:30 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: This may be because you had the kernel-debug packages installed before for some reason? I think not. I installed F22 workstation, then I run yum update (which translated into dnf update) and finally I installed XFCE with the above command The workstation image uses gdm as it's display manager. ...snip... But this has changed since F21. I'm pretty sure that in F21 the use of GDM did not lead to the execution of gnome-shell under XFCE (not even under MATE and CINNAMON, all of those started from GDM) The gnome-shell is not 'under Xfce'. Its the way gdm works. It was definitely still the case in Fedora 21. ;) To me, it looks like a bug (not necessarily of XFCE, say of F22)- Not really, it's just the way gdm works these days. It makes some amount of sense development wise. If the gdm login screen is just a special gnome-shell mode you use the same code for handling power and sound and accessability and so forth that a real gnome-shell session has instead of duplicating it in gdm. kevin pgpNmXplfDFam.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F22: XFCE issues
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 5:38 AM, Gabriel Ramirez gabriello.rami...@gmail.com wrote: try: dnf install NetworkManager-l2tp kernel-modules-extra to prevent installing the debug versions It works. Thanks Marco -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F22: XFCE issues
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 11:46 PM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 05/27/2015 02:24 PM, Marco Guazzone wrote: gdm 1152 0.6 1.5 1476048 123516 tty1 Sl+ 22:35 0:16 | \_ gnome-shell --mode=gdm --wayland --display-server Here it is: gdm is starting gnome-shell, even though gnome itself isn't running. I don't know why, but if it were me, I'd call it a major bug. Agree! Install lightdm, mask gdm, reboot, and this should go away. Indeed, lightdm has solved the problem. Thank you both for the help and the super-quick feedback Cheers, Marco -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F22: XFCE issues
On 05/27/2015 02:55 PM, Marco Guazzone wrote: Thank you both for the help and the super-quick feedback Glad we could help. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
