Re: Finding the date on which a Fedora 23 was installed on a given machine

[Bob Marcan]

On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 21:32:28 +1030
Tim  wrote:

> Allegedly, on or about 15 January 2016, Andrew R Paterson sent:
> > How about the creation date of /etc/redhat-release
> > Works for me!   
> 
> Doesn't work for me, so you can't guarantee it'll work for others,
> either.
> 
> That file comes from the fedora-release RPM package, which has already
> been shown to get updated post-installation date, so that file is
> potentially not going to have the install date.
> 
> One could look for the earliest sane date in the /etc directory, though
> you have to be aware of systems that installed with the date set wrong,
> and packages that were prepared before installation, and may install
> with those filedates, rather than current system dates (not sure how
> it's supposed to work, whether all written files should have a local
> creation date).
> 
> If there isn't anything that's actually meant to record an installation
> date, perhaps concerned people either want to lobby for it, or simply
> write some installation notes to file on the day of installing.
> 
What about /root/initial-setup-ks.cfg or /root/anaconda-ks.cfg  ?
I belive it is created at the installation time.
BR, Bob
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Re: Finding the date on which a Fedora 23 was installed on a given machine

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 15 January 2016, Andrew R Paterson sent:
> How about the creation date of /etc/redhat-release
> Works for me! 

Doesn't work for me, so you can't guarantee it'll work for others,
either.

That file comes from the fedora-release RPM package, which has already
been shown to get updated post-installation date, so that file is
potentially not going to have the install date.

One could look for the earliest sane date in the /etc directory, though
you have to be aware of systems that installed with the date set wrong,
and packages that were prepared before installation, and may install
with those filedates, rather than current system dates (not sure how
it's supposed to work, whether all written files should have a local
creation date).

If there isn't anything that's actually meant to record an installation
date, perhaps concerned people either want to lobby for it, or simply
write some installation notes to file on the day of installing.

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Re: Finding the date on which a Fedora 23 was installed on a given machine

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 16 January 2016, Bob Marcan sent:
> What about /root/initial-setup-ks.cfg or /root/anaconda-ks.cfg  ?
> I belive it is created at the installation time. 

I've already suggest them, and others have suggested at least one of
them, too.  However, there is one potential problem with them:  If the
clock wasn't properly set until after installation was complete, they
will have the wrong file dates.  That's how it was on one of my PCs.
Heck knows why, there's an NTP server on the LAN, the installer could
have made use of it, or any on the WWW.

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Re: Finding the date on which a Fedora 23 was installed on a given machine

[Andrew R Paterson]

On Saturday 16 Jan 2016 02:19:59 Tim wrote:
> On Fri, 2016-01-15 at 10:34 +, Christopher Ross wrote:
> > # rpm -qi fedora-release
> 
> Occasionally, even *that* package gets updated, so it's not an indicator
> of install time.  Unless someone else knows of something intended to show
> you the installation date, you are better off looking for some files in
> the /root directory that get created as part of the installation routine.
> 
> e.g. Inside my /root:
> 
> -rw---. 1 root root 1227 Apr 23  2014 anaconda-ks.cfg
> -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 1244 Apr 24  2014 initial-setup-ks.cfg
> 
> But, rpm -qi fedora-release:
> 
> Name: fedora-release
> Version : 20
> Release : 4
> Architecture: noarch
> Install Date: Tue 26 May 2015 03:08:20 ACST
> 
> And, rpm -q --changelog fedora-release:
> 
> * Thu May 14 2015 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-4
> - add the Fedora 22 gpg keys rhbz#1220358
> 
> * Wed Feb 19 2014 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-3
> - bump for downstream breakage
> 
> * Wed Feb 19 2014 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-2
> - provide system-release(%version) rhbz#1047058
> 
> * Wed Nov 27 2013 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-1
> - enabled metadata caching for fedora
> - disable updates-testing
> - obsolete fedora-release-rawhide < the last shipped rawhide build
> 
> * Wed Nov 13 2013 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-0.8
> - patch from Will Woods to use a archmap file for linking gpg keys
> - add f21 keys
> - add fields to /etc/os-release for rhbz#951119
> - set skip_if_unavailable=False for rhbz#985354
> 
> * Tue Sep 03 2013 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-0.7
> - set Fedora 20 release name
> 
> * Fri Aug 30 2013 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-0.6
> - update the fedora 20 secondary arch key it had been created
> incorrectly
> 
> * Tue Aug 20 2013 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-0.5
> - disable rawhide
> - enable fedora, updates and updates-testing
> - disable 7d metadata cache for fedora
> - Obsolete older fedora-release-rawhide
> 
> * Wed Jul 31 2013 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-0.4
> - link armhfp gpg key to primary since its now living there
> 
> * Mon Jul 08 2013 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-0.3
> - fix up typo
> 
> * Wed Jun 19 2013 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-0.2
> - add f20 keys
> - switch mirrorlist= to metalink= bz#948788
> - add bugzilla fields to os-release for brokeness in abrt bz#961477
> - add releasever into gpgkey paths
> - use consistent macros for dist_release value
> 
> * Tue Mar 12 2013 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-0.1
> - setup for f20
> - 64 bit arm arch is aarch64 not arm64
> - drop sparc arches
> 
>  --- snip ---
> 
> Obviously most of that is pre-release, but some of it is post.
How about when the root filesystem was created?
ls -alct /|tail -1|awk '{print $6, $7, $8}'
Rgds
Andy
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Re: Finding the date on which a Fedora 23 was installed on a given machine

[Jon LaBadie]

On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 09:07:52PM +, Andrew R Paterson wrote:
> On Saturday 16 Jan 2016 02:19:59 Tim wrote:
> >  --- snip ---
> > 
> > Obviously most of that is pre-release, but some of it is post.
> How about when the root filesystem was created?
> ls -alct /|tail -1|awk '{print $6, $7, $8}'
> Rgds
> Andy

Simplified as "ls -lcd /"

However, "c" is not "C"reate time, but inode "C"hange time.
Add or remove and entry from / or modify permissions or
owner/group and "c" time is updated.

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Re: Finding the date on which a Fedora 23 was installed on a given machine

[Joe Zeff]

On 01/16/2016 01:07 PM, Andrew R Paterson wrote:

How about when the root filesystem was created?


This works fine if and only if you haven't upgraded from a previous version.
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Re: Finding the date on which a Fedora 23 was installed on a given machine

[Christopher Ross]

On 14/01/16 17:43, Kevin Wilson wrote:

Is there a way to find out the date on which a Fedora distro was
installed on a given machine (assuming that the date was set correctly
on the machine when it was installed)?



# rpm -qi fedora-release

Name: fedora-release
Version : 22
Release : 1
Architecture: noarch
Install Date: Tue 26 May 2015 20:34:10 BST
Group   : System Environment/Base
Size: 4235
License : MIT
Signature   : RSA/SHA256, Tue 19 May 2015 19:08:23 BST, Key ID 
11adc0948e1431d5

Source RPM  : fedora-release-22-1.src.rpm
Build Date  : Tue 19 May 2015 15:27:10 BST
Build Host  : arm04-builder06.arm.fedoraproject.org
Relocations : (not relocatable)
Packager: Fedora Project
Vendor  : Fedora Project
URL : http://fedoraproject.org
Summary : Fedora release files
Description :
Fedora release files such as various /etc/ files that define the release.


Hope this helps,
Chris R.

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Re: Finding the date on which a Fedora 23 was installed on a given machine

[Stephen Gallagher]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

On 01/15/2016 05:34 AM, Christopher Ross wrote:
> 
> On 14/01/16 17:43, Kevin Wilson wrote:
>> Is there a way to find out the date on which a Fedora distro was 
>> installed on a given machine (assuming that the date was set
>> correctly on the machine when it was installed)?
> 
> 
> # rpm -qi fedora-release
> 
> Name: fedora-release Version : 22 Release : 1 
> Architecture: noarch Install Date: Tue 26 May 2015 20:34:10 BST 
> Group   : System Environment/Base Size: 4235 License
> : MIT Signature   : RSA/SHA256, Tue 19 May 2015 19:08:23 BST, Key
> ID 11adc0948e1431d5 Source RPM  : fedora-release-22-1.src.rpm Build
> Date  : Tue 19 May 2015 15:27:10 BST Build Host  :
> arm04-builder06.arm.fedoraproject.org Relocations : (not
> relocatable) Packager: Fedora Project Vendor  : Fedora
> Project URL : http://fedoraproject.org Summary : Fedora
> release files Description : Fedora release files such as various
> /etc/ files that define the release.
> 
> 
> Hope this helps, Chris R.
> 

That approach will only work if the fedora-release package hasn't been
updated (because then you'll see the date of that update, not the
original date).

I think the best approach was the first one suggested; checking the
ctime of /root/anaconda-ks.cfg
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Re: Finding the date on which a Fedora 23 was installed on a given machine

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2016-01-15 at 17:47 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 19:43:12 +0200, Kevin Wilson wrote:
> 
> > Hello all,
> > 
> > Is there a way to find out the date on which a Fedora distro was
> > installed on a given machine (assuming that the date was set
> > correctly
> > on the machine when it was installed)?
> 
> rpm -qa --last|tail -10
> 
> That's the ten oldest installed packages with a detailed timestamp.
> Even if you've replaced/updated any previously oldest packages, there
> will be more than 10 that have not been replaced/updated since the
> original installation.

That's fine as long as Fedora was clean installed and not updated from
a previous version. The OP didn't say this explicitly.

poc
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Re: Finding the date on which a Fedora 23 was installed on a given machine

[Michael Schwendt]

On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 19:43:12 +0200, Kevin Wilson wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> Is there a way to find out the date on which a Fedora distro was
> installed on a given machine (assuming that the date was set correctly
> on the machine when it was installed)?

rpm -qa --last|tail -10

That's the ten oldest installed packages with a detailed timestamp.
Even if you've replaced/updated any previously oldest packages, there
will be more than 10 that have not been replaced/updated since the
original installation.
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Re: Finding the date on which a Fedora 23 was installed on a given machine

[Tim]

On Fri, 2016-01-15 at 10:34 +, Christopher Ross wrote:
> # rpm -qi fedora-release

Occasionally, even *that* package gets updated, so it's not an indicator
of install time.  Unless someone else knows of something intended to show
you the installation date, you are better off looking for some files in 
the /root directory that get created as part of the installation routine.

e.g. Inside my /root:

-rw---. 1 root root 1227 Apr 23  2014 anaconda-ks.cfg
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root 1244 Apr 24  2014 initial-setup-ks.cfg

But, rpm -qi fedora-release:

Name: fedora-release
Version : 20
Release : 4
Architecture: noarch
Install Date: Tue 26 May 2015 03:08:20 ACST

And, rpm -q --changelog fedora-release:

* Thu May 14 2015 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-4
- add the Fedora 22 gpg keys rhbz#1220358

* Wed Feb 19 2014 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-3
- bump for downstream breakage

* Wed Feb 19 2014 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-2
- provide system-release(%version) rhbz#1047058

* Wed Nov 27 2013 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-1
- enabled metadata caching for fedora
- disable updates-testing
- obsolete fedora-release-rawhide < the last shipped rawhide build

* Wed Nov 13 2013 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-0.8
- patch from Will Woods to use a archmap file for linking gpg keys
- add f21 keys
- add fields to /etc/os-release for rhbz#951119
- set skip_if_unavailable=False for rhbz#985354

* Tue Sep 03 2013 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-0.7
- set Fedora 20 release name

* Fri Aug 30 2013 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-0.6
- update the fedora 20 secondary arch key it had been created
incorrectly

* Tue Aug 20 2013 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-0.5
- disable rawhide
- enable fedora, updates and updates-testing
- disable 7d metadata cache for fedora
- Obsolete older fedora-release-rawhide

* Wed Jul 31 2013 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-0.4
- link armhfp gpg key to primary since its now living there

* Mon Jul 08 2013 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-0.3
- fix up typo

* Wed Jun 19 2013 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-0.2
- add f20 keys
- switch mirrorlist= to metalink= bz#948788
- add bugzilla fields to os-release for brokeness in abrt bz#961477
- add releasever into gpgkey paths
- use consistent macros for dist_release value

* Tue Mar 12 2013 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-0.1
- setup for f20
- 64 bit arm arch is aarch64 not arm64
- drop sparc arches

 --- snip ---

Obviously most of that is pre-release, but some of it is post.


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Re: Finding the date on which a Fedora 23 was installed on a given machine

[Joe Zeff]

On 01/15/2016 10:15 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote:

dumpe2fs on the root filesystem also works, if the filesystem has
been formatted at 1st install time.


That's true if and only if you always do a clean install, never an upgrade.
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Re: Finding the date on which a Fedora 23 was installed on a given machine

[Michael Schwendt]

On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 10:24:45 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:

> > dumpe2fs on the root filesystem also works, if the filesystem has
> > been formatted at 1st install time.  
> 
> That's true if and only if you always do a clean install, never an upgrade.

Well, upgrades don't reformat the root fs.

If you want the date of installation of the Fedora release that's installed
on the machine, some other check is needed. Dunno whether Live media based
installs create /root/anaconda-ks.cfg with an accurate mtime.
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Re: Finding the date on which a Fedora 23 was installed on a given machine

[Michael Schwendt]

On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 17:36:31 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

> > rpm -qa --last|tail -10
>
> That's fine as long as Fedora was clean installed and not updated from
> a previous version. The OP didn't say this explicitly.

And it isn't fine either, if the installation is from a Live medium.
Then the RPM database contains entries copied from the Live medium.

dumpe2fs on the root filesystem also works, if the filesystem has
been formatted at 1st install time.
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Re: Finding the date on which a Fedora 23 was installed on a given machine

[Andrew R Paterson]

On Saturday 16 Jan 2016 02:19:59 Tim wrote:
> On Fri, 2016-01-15 at 10:34 +, Christopher Ross wrote:
> > # rpm -qi fedora-release
> 
> Occasionally, even *that* package gets updated, so it's not an indicator
> of install time.  Unless someone else knows of something intended to show
> you the installation date, you are better off looking for some files in
> the /root directory that get created as part of the installation routine.
> 
> e.g. Inside my /root:
> 
> -rw---. 1 root root 1227 Apr 23  2014 anaconda-ks.cfg
> -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 1244 Apr 24  2014 initial-setup-ks.cfg
> 
> But, rpm -qi fedora-release:
> 
> Name: fedora-release
> Version : 20
> Release : 4
> Architecture: noarch
> Install Date: Tue 26 May 2015 03:08:20 ACST
> 
> And, rpm -q --changelog fedora-release:
> 
> * Thu May 14 2015 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-4
> - add the Fedora 22 gpg keys rhbz#1220358
> 
> * Wed Feb 19 2014 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-3
> - bump for downstream breakage
> 
> * Wed Feb 19 2014 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-2
> - provide system-release(%version) rhbz#1047058
> 
> * Wed Nov 27 2013 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-1
> - enabled metadata caching for fedora
> - disable updates-testing
> - obsolete fedora-release-rawhide < the last shipped rawhide build
> 
> * Wed Nov 13 2013 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-0.8
> - patch from Will Woods to use a archmap file for linking gpg keys
> - add f21 keys
> - add fields to /etc/os-release for rhbz#951119
> - set skip_if_unavailable=False for rhbz#985354
> 
> * Tue Sep 03 2013 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-0.7
> - set Fedora 20 release name
> 
> * Fri Aug 30 2013 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-0.6
> - update the fedora 20 secondary arch key it had been created
> incorrectly
> 
> * Tue Aug 20 2013 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-0.5
> - disable rawhide
> - enable fedora, updates and updates-testing
> - disable 7d metadata cache for fedora
> - Obsolete older fedora-release-rawhide
> 
> * Wed Jul 31 2013 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-0.4
> - link armhfp gpg key to primary since its now living there
> 
> * Mon Jul 08 2013 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-0.3
> - fix up typo
> 
> * Wed Jun 19 2013 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-0.2
> - add f20 keys
> - switch mirrorlist= to metalink= bz#948788
> - add bugzilla fields to os-release for brokeness in abrt bz#961477
> - add releasever into gpgkey paths
> - use consistent macros for dist_release value
> 
> * Tue Mar 12 2013 Dennis Gilmore  - 20-0.1
> - setup for f20
> - 64 bit arm arch is aarch64 not arm64
> - drop sparc arches
> 
>  --- snip ---
> 
> Obviously most of that is pre-release, but some of it is post.

How about the creation date of /etc/redhat-release
Works for me!
Regards
Andy

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Finding the date on which a Fedora 23 was installed on a given machine

[Kevin Wilson]

Hello all,

Is there a way to find out the date on which a Fedora distro was
installed on a given machine (assuming that the date was set correctly
on the machine when it was installed)?

Regards,
Kevin
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Re: Finding the date on which a Fedora 23 was installed on a given machine

[Digimer]

I usually check the mtime on /root/anaconda-ks.cfg.

On 14/01/16 12:43 PM, Kevin Wilson wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> Is there a way to find out the date on which a Fedora distro was
> installed on a given machine (assuming that the date was set correctly
> on the machine when it was installed)?
> 
> Regards,
> Kevin
> 


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