Re: Help needed: disabling system wide the Caps lock key in GNOME/Xwayland
On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 4:28 AM wwp wrote: > Hello Tom, > > > On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 09:35:29 -0400 Tom Horsley > wrote: > > > On Wed, 02 Aug 2023 13:11:07 +0930 > > Tim via users wrote: > > > > > Aren't there options for that in the keyboard preferences any more? Is > > > gnome tweaks still around, does that offer anything? > > > > As near as I can tell (the last time I looked, anyway), wayland has > > completely eviscerated all the ability to tweak keys and mouse buttons. > > For my mouse, I implemented a hardware solution (which should work > > for keyboards as well with additional microcode): > > > > https://tomhorsley.com/hardware/mouse-tailor/mouse-tailor.html > > > > :-). > > Just curious, does this mean that xbindkeys wouldn't work in wayland? > > > Regards, > > I'm typing this on kde/wayland with caps lock as an alternate control, so it is more than possible. *Those who don't understand recursion are doomed to repeat it* ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Help needed: disabling system wide the Caps lock key in GNOME/Xwayland
Hello Tom, On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 09:35:29 -0400 Tom Horsley wrote: > On Wed, 02 Aug 2023 13:11:07 +0930 > Tim via users wrote: > > > Aren't there options for that in the keyboard preferences any more? Is > > gnome tweaks still around, does that offer anything? > > As near as I can tell (the last time I looked, anyway), wayland has > completely eviscerated all the ability to tweak keys and mouse buttons. > For my mouse, I implemented a hardware solution (which should work > for keyboards as well with additional microcode): > > https://tomhorsley.com/hardware/mouse-tailor/mouse-tailor.html > > :-). Just curious, does this mean that xbindkeys wouldn't work in wayland? Regards, -- wwp https://useplaintext.email/ pgpkWs7wOUiXU.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Help needed: disabling system wide the Caps lock key in GNOME/Xwayland
On Wed, 2023-08-02 at 15:16 -0500, Ron Flory via users wrote: > Since nobody else has mentioned this (apologies if this does not > address your needs, and you *really* hate the presence of the Caps-Lock > key), but most motherboard BIOS's have a setting for startup "numlock > state". I always set mine to "Disabled" and it keeps the unwanted Caps > keys away unless/until I explicitly (temporarily) enable them by hitting > the Caps-Lock key. I've never seen any BIOS have any effect on the CAPS LOCK key. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.92.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Jun 20 11:48:01 UTC 2023 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Help needed: disabling system wide the Caps lock key in GNOME/Xwayland
#!/bin/sh setxkbmap -option caps:ctrl_modifier On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 4:16 PM Ron Flory via users < users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > On 8/2/2023 10:42 AM, Thomas wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I had that issue recently, the way I sorted it was with gsettings/dconf: > > > > gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.input-sources xkb-options > "['ctrl:nocaps']" > > > > I suspect this is what gnome-tweaks does. Actually as far as I know, > Wayland still sources xkb files, it's not very much documented but I recall > having found a few places suggesting that (I use stock F38 with Gnome and > Wayland). > > > > And thus see: man xkeyboard-config for a list of options which can be > set, which is a bit wider than what gnome-tweaks propose. > > > > On Wed, 2 Aug 2023, at 15:56, murph nj wrote: > >> Gnome tweaks has a simple solution to this. > >> > >> Install Tweaks through "Software" or > >> dnf install gnome-tweaks > >> > >> Run Tweaks and go to the "Keyboard and Mouse" section. > >> The 4th option down is an "Additional Layout options" button. > >> There are many things you can remap the CapsLock key to, like Esc, > ctrl, or > >> my preference a Super key, since I usually use an IBM model M keyboard > >> which does not have one. > >> > >> No need to revert back to X11, or any kind of hardware solution. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 3:31 PM Joachim Backes > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi gys, > >>> I'm running F38 with *Gnome/X-Wayland*, and in my environment I do not > need (hate it) the *Caps Lock* key.Question: How to realize the disabling > system wide, and how to get it working again? > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> > >>> Joachim Backes > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > >>> Fedora release 38 (Thirty Eight) > >>> 6.4.7-200.fc38.x86_64 > >>> > >>> Joachim Backes < > joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de>https://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes/ > >>> > >>> > > (hmmm, much top-posting up there) > > Since nobody else has mentioned this (apologies if this does not > address your needs, and you *really* hate the presence of the Caps-Lock > key), but most motherboard BIOS's have a setting for startup "numlock > state". I always set mine to "Disabled" and it keeps the unwanted Caps > keys away unless/until I explicitly (temporarily) enable them by hitting > the Caps-Lock key. > > ron > > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue > -- *Those who don't understand recursion are doomed to repeat it* ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Help needed: disabling system wide the Caps lock key in GNOME/Xwayland
On 8/2/2023 10:42 AM, Thomas wrote: Hello, I had that issue recently, the way I sorted it was with gsettings/dconf: gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.input-sources xkb-options "['ctrl:nocaps']" I suspect this is what gnome-tweaks does. Actually as far as I know, Wayland still sources xkb files, it's not very much documented but I recall having found a few places suggesting that (I use stock F38 with Gnome and Wayland). And thus see: man xkeyboard-config for a list of options which can be set, which is a bit wider than what gnome-tweaks propose. On Wed, 2 Aug 2023, at 15:56, murph nj wrote: Gnome tweaks has a simple solution to this. Install Tweaks through "Software" or dnf install gnome-tweaks Run Tweaks and go to the "Keyboard and Mouse" section. The 4th option down is an "Additional Layout options" button. There are many things you can remap the CapsLock key to, like Esc, ctrl, or my preference a Super key, since I usually use an IBM model M keyboard which does not have one. No need to revert back to X11, or any kind of hardware solution. On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 3:31 PM Joachim Backes wrote: Hi gys, I'm running F38 with *Gnome/X-Wayland*, and in my environment I do not need (hate it) the *Caps Lock* key.Question: How to realize the disabling system wide, and how to get it working again? Regards Joachim Backes -- Fedora release 38 (Thirty Eight) 6.4.7-200.fc38.x86_64 Joachim Backes https://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes/ (hmmm, much top-posting up there) Since nobody else has mentioned this (apologies if this does not address your needs, and you *really* hate the presence of the Caps-Lock key), but most motherboard BIOS's have a setting for startup "numlock state". I always set mine to "Disabled" and it keeps the unwanted Caps keys away unless/until I explicitly (temporarily) enable them by hitting the Caps-Lock key. ron ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Help needed: disabling system wide the Caps lock key in GNOME/Xwayland
Hello, I had that issue recently, the way I sorted it was with gsettings/dconf: gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.input-sources xkb-options "['ctrl:nocaps']" I suspect this is what gnome-tweaks does. Actually as far as I know, Wayland still sources xkb files, it's not very much documented but I recall having found a few places suggesting that (I use stock F38 with Gnome and Wayland). And thus see: man xkeyboard-config for a list of options which can be set, which is a bit wider than what gnome-tweaks propose. On Wed, 2 Aug 2023, at 15:56, murph nj wrote: > Gnome tweaks has a simple solution to this. > > Install Tweaks through "Software" or > dnf install gnome-tweaks > > Run Tweaks and go to the "Keyboard and Mouse" section. > The 4th option down is an "Additional Layout options" button. > There are many things you can remap the CapsLock key to, like Esc, ctrl, or > my preference a Super key, since I usually use an IBM model M keyboard > which does not have one. > > No need to revert back to X11, or any kind of hardware solution. > > > > On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 3:31 PM Joachim Backes > wrote: > >> Hi gys, >> I'm running F38 with *Gnome/X-Wayland*, and in my environment I do not need >> (hate it) the *Caps Lock* key.Question: How to realize the disabling system >> wide, and how to get it working again? >> >> Regards >> >> Joachim Backes >> >> -- >> >> Fedora release 38 (Thirty Eight) >> 6.4.7-200.fc38.x86_64 >> >> Joachim Backes >> https://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes/ >> >> ___ >> users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org >> Fedora Code of Conduct: >> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ >> List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >> List Archives: >> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org >> Do not reply to spam, report it: >> https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue >> > > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Help needed: disabling system wide the Caps lock key in GNOME/Xwayland
Gnome tweaks has a simple solution to this. Install Tweaks through "Software" or dnf install gnome-tweaks Run Tweaks and go to the "Keyboard and Mouse" section. The 4th option down is an "Additional Layout options" button. There are many things you can remap the CapsLock key to, like Esc, ctrl, or my preference a Super key, since I usually use an IBM model M keyboard which does not have one. No need to revert back to X11, or any kind of hardware solution. On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 3:31 PM Joachim Backes wrote: > Hi gys, > I'm running F38 with *Gnome/X-Wayland*, and in my environment I do not need > (hate it) the *Caps Lock* key.Question: How to realize the disabling system > wide, and how to get it working again? > > Regards > > Joachim Backes > > -- > > Fedora release 38 (Thirty Eight) > 6.4.7-200.fc38.x86_64 > > Joachim Backes > https://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes/ > > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue > ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Help needed: disabling system wide the Caps lock key in GNOME/Xwayland
On Wed, 02 Aug 2023 13:11:07 +0930 Tim via users wrote: > Aren't there options for that in the keyboard preferences any more? Is > gnome tweaks still around, does that offer anything? As near as I can tell (the last time I looked, anyway), wayland has completely eviscerated all the ability to tweak keys and mouse buttons. For my mouse, I implemented a hardware solution (which should work for keyboards as well with additional microcode): https://tomhorsley.com/hardware/mouse-tailor/mouse-tailor.html :-). ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Help needed: disabling system wide the Caps lock key in GNOME/Xwayland
> On 2 Aug 2023, at 08:32, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > Maybe xmodmap? Something like https://superuser.com/a/775811 ? That was the goto solution, but with wayland that will not work as it is X11 specific. Barry ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Help needed: disabling system wide the Caps lock key in GNOME/Xwayland
On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 3:31 PM Joachim Backes wrote: > > I'm running F38 with Gnome/X-Wayland, and in my environment I do not need > (hate it) the Caps Lock key. > Question: How to realize the disabling system wide, and how to get it working > again? Maybe xmodmap? Something like https://superuser.com/a/775811 ? But beware of ibus, like https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/528854 . Jeff ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Help needed: disabling system wide the Caps lock key in GNOME/Xwayland
On 1 Aug 2023, at 20:31, Joachim Backes wrote: Hi gys, I'm running F38 with Gnome/X-Wayland, and in my environment I do not need (hate it) the Caps Lock key. Question: How to realize the disabling system wide, and how to get it working again? From this https://askubuntu.com/questions/33774/how-do-i-remap-the-caps-lock-and-ctrl-keysGnome tweaks may do what you want.Barry Regards Joachim Backes -- Fedora release 38 (Thirty Eight) 6.4.7-200.fc38.x86_64 Joachim Backes https://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes/ ___users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.orgTo unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.orgFedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelinesList Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.orgDo not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Help needed: disabling system wide the Caps lock key in GNOME/Xwayland
Joachim Backes composed on 2023-08-01 21:30 (UTC+0200): > Hi gys, I'm running F38 with *Gnome/X-Wayland*, and in my environment I > do not need (hate it) the *Caps Lock* key.Question: How to realize the > disabling system wide, and how to get it working again? Whether that's possible or not I have no idea. I had the same problem with scroll lock, but with a keycap puller I pulled the cap and found something soft to stuff under it that makes it hard to push all the way down. Now I can use it if I need to, but it doesn't happen by accident any more. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Help needed: disabling system wide the Caps lock key in GNOME/Xwayland
On Tue, 2023-08-01 at 21:30 +0200, Joachim Backes wrote: > I'm running F38 with Gnome/X-Wayland, and in my environment I do not > need (hate it) the Caps Lock key. > Question: How to realize the disabling system wide, and how to get it > working again? Aren't there options for that in the keyboard preferences any more? Is gnome tweaks still around, does that offer anything? Is there anything useful in here: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=284240 There's the brute force and ignorance method that many businesses do: pop the keycap off The less ugly solution: slide some hard spaghetti under it so it won't press down. Cut to the right length, they're not visible. I've soldered buzzers across my caps lock lights (previously I replaced the LEDs with super high brightness ones). I can still use caps lock, but I'm instantly warned that I've pressed the thing. And being built into the keyboard, it always works. Yes, I know there's OS ways of making it play an alert when caps lock is pressed (in disability support), however the sound system doesn't come to life quick enough to play the sound (and you have to have speakers). I hate pulseaudio's muting, likewise with its newer replacement, pipewire. There used to be a way to make the motherboard beeper fire off. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.92.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Jun 20 11:48:01 UTC 2023 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Help needed: disabling system wide the Caps lock key in GNOME/Xwayland
Hi gys, I'm running F38 with *Gnome/X-Wayland*, and in my environment I do not need (hate it) the *Caps Lock* key.Question: How to realize the disabling system wide, and how to get it working again? Regards Joachim Backes -- Fedora release 38 (Thirty Eight) 6.4.7-200.fc38.x86_64 Joachim Backes https://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes/ ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
