Re: No, I don't want to maximize my window
On 10/11/2011 03:15 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Dokuro writes: I like this behavior, is like having a dual head!. And I saw it first on Linux Mint 11, with Gnome 2... so the windows rant is just plain stupid It seems you do not move the windows with alt... If you want this new UI behavior, that's fine, and I could even deal with it being the default desktop configuration, requiring me to turn it off somewhere. But just forcibly enabling it, by default, and giving me no visible configuration setting to turn it off, anywhere, and forcing me to root around with gconf-editor – this is just rude. Or, perhaps all the missing UI configuration settings: this one, focus autoraise, and others – perhaps there just wasn't enough time to add the UI for these settings, and Gnome 3 replaced Gnome 2 before it was fully cooked. Whatever the case may be, I just hope that the “we know best, so here's the UI and you're going to like it, because we do, and you won't have any alternatives” meme will not survive. +1 w/Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: No, I don't want to maximize my window
2011/10/12 Joe Wulf joe_w...@yahoo.com I second what Sam has said. GNOME3 has generated some backlash with its way of working---and not been clearly/fully documented such that the preponderance of users can 'get it'. R, -Joe -- *From:* Sam Varshavchik mr...@courier-mta.com *To:* Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org *Sent:* Tuesday, October 11, 2011 6:15 PM *Subject:* Re: No, I don't want to maximize my window If you want this new UI behavior, that's fine, and I could even deal with it being the default desktop configuration, requiring me to turn it off somewhere. But just forcibly enabling it, by default, and giving me no visible configuration setting to turn it off, anywhere, and forcing me to root around with gconf-editor – this is just rude. Or, perhaps all the missing UI configuration settings: this one, focus autoraise, and others – perhaps there just wasn't enough time to add the UI for these settings, and Gnome 3 replaced Gnome 2 before it was fully cooked. Whatever the case may be, I just hope that the “we know best, so here's the UI and you're going to like it, because we do, and you won't have any alternatives” meme will not survive. Hi, in my opinion, Larry is right : the question must be addressed to the Gnome dev team. But, as long time Fedora / RedHat user, I must agree with Sam : Fedora *MUST* be filled by default with all the gnome-shell* / gconf* stuff. To much time spent looking around to customize my desktop -- Alessandro Brezzi -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: No, I don't want to maximize my window
On 10/12/2011 11:35 AM, Alessandro Brezzi wrote: Hi, in my opinion, Larry is right : the question must be addressed to the Gnome dev team. But, as long time Fedora / RedHat user, I must agree with Sam : Fedora *MUST* be filled by default with all the gnome-shell* / gconf* stuff. To much time spent looking around to customize my desktop As many have said and done - if it hurts don't use G-3. Use KDE or XFCE instead, which offer much configurability upon you ... :-) G-3 (along with KDE, XFCE, LXDE etc) is an alternative to Gnome-2 not an update. Choose the alternative which best suits your needs. G-2 is no longer available. gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: No, I don't want to maximize my window
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Sam Varshavchik mr...@courier-mta.com wrote: In my opinion, one of the most annoying, obnoxious, and irritating behaviors in Gnome 3 is its in-your-face maximization of the window I'm dragging, when I move it partly off to the side of the screen. When I'm dragging the window, and the pointer reaches the edge of the screen, Gnome decides to maximize the whole thing. It appears to think that I'm trying to tile the window against one of the screen's edges, so why not maximize it? That never made any sense to me, and I always thought that this was a stupid thing to do. But one thing that always puzzled me, and I couldn't figure it out, is how someone could've even gotten this kind of an idea in the first place. To me, it just came completely out of the left field. Yes, when I'm dragging a window partially off screen, that's really exactly what I'm trying to accomplish: I want to maximize it. Huh? I often move windows partially off the screen when I want to recover some real estate for something else. So now, instead of staying, inobtrusively, off to the side, the damn thing takes over the entire display. It's exactly the opposite of what I wanted to accomplish. Instead of gaining empty screen space, the window I just dragged just takes it over. I now have to retrain myself to drop the window before my mouse pointer goes all the way to the edge. It's annoying. It's irritating. And it bugs the hell out of me. But I was always curious about the thought process that went into this. Where? Why? How? It just seems so naturally wrong, but someone must've thought that this is what the user really wanted to do, and I was always curious to figure out how that thought process developed. And I'm wondering whether anyone else was wondering the same thing. Because I just figured out exactly what happened here. Which left field this bizarre behaviour came from. My new employer gave me a work laptop, loaded with Windows 7. This is what Windows 7 does. This user behavior is new in Windows 7. So, naturally, Gnome must ape Windows, and imitate every stupid thing that Windows does. Sigh. I like this behavior, is like having a dual head!. And I saw it first on Linux Mint 11, with Gnome 2... so the windows rant is just plain stupid It seems you do not move the windows with alt... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- OS: http://fedoraproject.org/es/ - http://www.linuxmint.com/ Graficos: http://www.blender.org - http://www.gimp.org Musica: http://www.jamendo.com - http://www.openoctave.org/ Recetas: http://www.recetas-sencillas.com/ - Politica: http://www.fsfla.org/svnwiki/ - http://www.gnu.org/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: No, I don't want to maximize my window
Dokuro writes: I like this behavior, is like having a dual head!. And I saw it first on Linux Mint 11, with Gnome 2... so the windows rant is just plain stupid It seems you do not move the windows with alt... If you want this new UI behavior, that's fine, and I could even deal with it being the default desktop configuration, requiring me to turn it off somewhere. But just forcibly enabling it, by default, and giving me no visible configuration setting to turn it off, anywhere, and forcing me to root around with gconf-editor – this is just rude. Or, perhaps all the missing UI configuration settings: this one, focus autoraise, and others – perhaps there just wasn't enough time to add the UI for these settings, and Gnome 3 replaced Gnome 2 before it was fully cooked. Whatever the case may be, I just hope that the “we know best, so here's the UI and you're going to like it, because we do, and you won't have any alternatives” meme will not survive. pgpp8tEmYK6Sv.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: No, I don't want to maximize my window
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 10/10/2011 06:31 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: And this makes you feel like you need to throw a tantrum on this list like a small child? Perhaps you should direct this to the developer responsible... you know the ones... the Gnome devs. Oh wait, You didn't think of that did you? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJOk4JTAAoJEF1Xw4ZWTEoJXX4P/AraLB+/vQPHXQirhLcSloXP pzMXOwVVt1A6BfJI3KVXHQ0myD7WY7I69/vH+ygIPgZ+bmE0jkDndw017QYNPt/0 98UOEddPwgrLUaIFIRgjz1gUpPox53Vm7GJEOeRYXYsV8zaz4zvY0VjfdmtDGvy1 5Rw4EFu6O9fTB/UsnybahbOkKzkEGP2Jt/Ky3jLSEDZDKDMCo9hGRTiafaihCrQS Z6GQiJHoQYvh/Iy4I88mYuhoCy+aW7RmGXTfkPzH4k9mUHJUTo25P3JwA+g8TZoj qHgglH0wuN/lXREEColUAgVDo3B2bBBS4kwJSkpwUGlG9tyctcvUUZtKqmCf29HP 59BD6CvYiOLHku9Dg+Q4FIFGM9UXEWfn8PBg12dDQP6YYDxwUYyW9EHrW4L61VS1 lysyAGpV7BqXb29onACGAV/VncR9lU4nic8rqmd7CMFqxDlbTFNYgyrrR5efb5d3 sZ0zywi26SpaRxSjAe9JWF19C7B8ox4JMSC7QZiAhVbL8h3yrpZfT/aI6ntV6IWh VNzjYFhbNQ5DKcge8KVxWVZLBKv8JaYpbmf2hec/ddFS82NYmrQkk9qWTCB7II/3 4XMZ6ay5tWNcPYt7YZTosLkbi7YFGcpDBBNBsLfTyBAhGZjdUT/6/QQ2vNMsKbfl OcbRzGdk691IeKuwqWBV =vwHF -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: No, I don't want to maximize my window
Sam Varshavchik wrote: ... So, naturally, Gnome must ape Windows, and imitate every stupid thing that Windows does. Sigh. Exactly. And there is, unluckily, more stupid things which now appears in Linux. It seems as some developers meditate as windows do it == users want it. Or there on Linux now are working only full-time windows developers, which in their spare-time drop little of their prudence to Linux software? Franta -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: No, I don't want to maximize my window
You can turn off window tiling using gconf-editor (desktop-gnome-shell-windows) - jos On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Frantisek Hanzlik fra...@hanzlici.cz wrote: Sam Varshavchik wrote: ... So, naturally, Gnome must ape Windows, and imitate every stupid thing that Windows does. Sigh. Exactly. And there is, unluckily, more stupid things which now appears in Linux. It seems as some developers meditate as windows do it == users want it. Or there on Linux now are working only full-time windows developers, which in their spare-time drop little of their prudence to Linux software? Franta -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- Anybody who knows all about nothing knows everything -- Leonard Susskind -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
