Re: Nvidia Driver Turned Off?
On Sat, 2023-07-01 at 11:32 +1000, Stephen Morris wrote: > Does this mean that these drivers are replaced and accessed on the fly > but the associated kernel modules do not become active until after a reboot? That's generally the case. Various library updates can only be used after ones in memory are purged, and a reboot can be the only way to achieve that. For certain module updates, they're not even a binary install. They're compiled on your computer. For thinks like akmods, that was somewhere in the boot-up process. I think some things, now, compile somewhere in the shutdown process before a reboot. Either way, there's a delay you need to wait for, and interrupting it causes some chaos. Made all the more harder by there being little indication on-screen what's going on, and some people will hard reset in the middle of things thinking the computer has crashed. > If that is the case, and that mismatch is causing the browser html 5 > game to think hardware acceleration is not available, how does anything > that requires hardware acceleration to function properly ever work after > an update? That is a problem that just about requires a reboot. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.92.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Jun 20 11:48:01 UTC 2023 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Nvidia Driver Turned Off?
On 28/6/23 20:33, francis.montag...@inria.fr wrote: Hi. On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 18:45:51 +1000 Stephen Morris wrote: On 26/6/23 20:17, Barry wrote: Maybe there is user mode code that was upgraded that caused the issue? Thanks Barry, that could have been the case but I'm not aware of any component like that, but that doesn't mean there isn't. As I said, in https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/6C74V5VVPE4EX5MESHTJCIPPYX5V43J4/ During the upgrade, the Xorg nvidia drivers may have been updated. Example: /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libglxserver_nvidia.so This is user mode code yes. Does this mean that these drivers are replaced and accessed on the fly but the associated kernel modules do not become active until after a reboot? If that is the case, and that mismatch is causing the browser html 5 game to think hardware acceleration is not available, how does anything that requires hardware acceleration to function properly ever work after an update? regards, Steve OpenPGP_0x594338B1DE179AB2.asc Description: OpenPGP public key OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Nvidia Driver Turned Off?
Hi. On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 18:45:51 +1000 Stephen Morris wrote: > On 26/6/23 20:17, Barry wrote: >> Maybe there is user mode code that was upgraded that caused the issue? > Thanks Barry, that could have been the case but I'm not aware of any > component like that, but that doesn't mean there isn't. As I said, in https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/6C74V5VVPE4EX5MESHTJCIPPYX5V43J4/ During the upgrade, the Xorg nvidia drivers may have been updated. Example: /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libglxserver_nvidia.so This is user mode code yes. -- Francis ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Nvidia Driver Turned Off?
On 26/6/23 20:17, Barry wrote: On 26 Jun 2023, at 09:08, Stephen Morris wrote: I was just expecting the kmod/akmod nvidia drivers the system was using when I did the upgrade would still be being used until I rebooted, but that seemed to not be the case. The upgrade does not do anything to the already loaded kernel modules. You must reboot to be able to use the new drivers. Until then the system uses the old, already loaded, drivers. Maybe there is user mode code that was upgraded that caused the issue? Barry Thanks Barry, that could have been the case but I'm not aware of any component like that, but that doesn't mean there isn't. regards, Steve Barry ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue OpenPGP_0x594338B1DE179AB2.asc Description: OpenPGP public key OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Nvidia Driver Turned Off?
> On 26 Jun 2023, at 09:08, Stephen Morris wrote: > > I was just expecting the kmod/akmod nvidia drivers the system was using when > I did the upgrade would still be being used until I rebooted, but that seemed > to not be the case. The upgrade does not do anything to the already loaded kernel modules. You must reboot to be able to use the new drivers. Until then the system uses the old, already loaded, drivers. Maybe there is user mode code that was upgraded that caused the issue? Barry Barry ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Nvidia Driver Turned Off?
On 26/6/23 03:47, Barry Scott wrote: On 25/06/2023 13:20, George N. White III wrote: You should check the version of the nvidea drivers you are currently using. If you don't want to wait 5 minutes there are ways to determine that the installation has finished, e.g, using journalctl. The way I use to figure out its safe to reboot is to check for an running jobs using: systemctl list-jobs That will show the akmods service running after you do the dnf update. Once list-jobs is empty you can reboot. I have that scripted into into code I use to update and reboot my fedora machines. Barry Thankyou for the responses everyone. I'm using the kmod and akmod nvidia drivers from the rpmfusion repositories and I didn't do a reboot after the upgrade, I accessed an email containing a link into one of the games I play through firefox, but it would not run because it could believed hardware acceleration was disabled, and I know hardware acceleration for this game doesn't work with the nouveau drivers. I was just expecting the kmod/akmod nvidia drivers the system was using when I did the upgrade would still be being used until I rebooted, but that seemed to not be the case. regards, Steve ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue OpenPGP_0x594338B1DE179AB2.asc Description: OpenPGP public key OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Nvidia Driver Turned Off?
On 25/06/2023 13:20, George N. White III wrote: You should check the version of the nvidea drivers you are currently using. If you don't want to wait 5 minutes there are ways to determine that the installation has finished, e.g, using journalctl. The way I use to figure out its safe to reboot is to check for an running jobs using: systemctl list-jobs That will show the akmods service running after you do the dnf update. Once list-jobs is empty you can reboot. I have that scripted into into code I use to update and reboot my fedora machines. Barry ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Nvidia Driver Turned Off?
On Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 5:43 AM Stephen Morris wrote: > Hi, > When we issue the command "sudo dnf upgrade" and it updates the > nvidia drivers, does the update of those drivers remove them from memory > and load the nouveau drivers? > Nvidia updates can be messy. Did you reboot after the dnf upgrade? It can take several minutes of background processing to prepare the nvidia drivers, so it is recommended to wait 5 minutes after running "dnf upgrade" before rebooting. If you boot before the nvidia drivers are installed the system may use the older nvidea drivers or fall back to nouveau (maybe depending on how far the update progressed before you rebooted). If you didn't reboot, the system should continue running the old nvidia drivers until you reboot. > I'm trying to understand why after doing the update a html 5 game > that requires hardware acceleration to run complained that hardware > acceleration was needed even though the browser was configured to use > hardware acceleration if available, but after a reboot the game then ran > fine in the browser. > You should check the version of the nvidea drivers you are currently using. If you don't want to wait 5 minutes there are ways to determine that the installation has finished, e.g, using journalctl. -- George N. White III ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Nvidia Driver Turned Off?
Hi. On Sun, 25 Jun 2023 18:43:27 +1000 Stephen Morris wrote: > When we issue the command "sudo dnf upgrade" and it updates the > nvidia drivers, does the update of those drivers remove them from memory > and load the nouveau drivers? The kernel drivers no. They are most probably in use, for example by Xorg (if you use Xorg) and cannot thus be unloaded / reloaded. > I'm trying to understand why after doing the update a html 5 game > that requires hardware acceleration to run complained that hardware > acceleration was needed even though the browser was configured to use > hardware acceleration if available, but after a reboot the game then ran > fine in the browser. During the upgrade, the Xorg nvidia drivers may have been updated. Example: /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libglxserver_nvidia.so If your application start after the upgrade or dynamically link those drivers it may fail due to mismatched version with the kernel modules. You may see something like that in the journal: NVRM: API mismatch: the client has the version 410.79, but NVRM: this kernel module has the version 415.25. Please NVRM: make sure that this kernel module and all NVIDIA driver NVRM: components have the same version. -- francis ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Nvidia Driver Turned Off?
Hi, When we issue the command "sudo dnf upgrade" and it updates the nvidia drivers, does the update of those drivers remove them from memory and load the nouveau drivers? I'm trying to understand why after doing the update a html 5 game that requires hardware acceleration to run complained that hardware acceleration was needed even though the browser was configured to use hardware acceleration if available, but after a reboot the game then ran fine in the browser. regards, Steve OpenPGP_0x594338B1DE179AB2.asc Description: OpenPGP public key OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
