Re: OT: RGB mechanical keyboard
Some keyboard reviews, from across the pond: https://www.theregister.com/2020/04/30/how_good_are_cheap_mechanical_keyboards/ ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: OT: RGB mechanical keyboard
On 9/4/21 11:39 AM, Tim via users wrote: On Fri, 2021-09-03 at 15:39 -0400, Douglas McGarrett wrote: If you can find an IBM model M keyboard somewhere, you'll never look for another. They haven't been made in years, AFAIK, but I have three of them--two full sized and one without the numeric pad that I use with a laptop at home. The only drawback is that it's loud--I tried it at the office once when I was still working, and I had to take it back home. I have to say that I'd also like a proper typist's keyboard, but without the high volume clattering sound that they had. But you go into a store, and all they have is gaming keyboards (and often boxed up so you can't try them out - they're expensive and flashy, and not really that great for typing on), and wireless ones (which are a pain, with disconnections and needing batteries). I particularly despise noisy keyboards, keyboards with sharp edges on every key, legends that wear off, plastic that wears down, too short cables for reaching tower boxes sitting on the floor, wireless keyboards, and bad rollover handling (I've a number of keyboards that if you press your keys too closely together, timing wise, suddenly it's issued a HOME command and you're typing back at the head of your sentence, and I'm only a reasonably fast typer of around 40-50 wpm), and keys with insufficient travel distance. I wish someone could make one that felt like typing on the old IBM Selectric typewriters, and there are a few companies that have made that claim, but actual users have called them out for lying. At the moment I'm using an old, recycled, HP KU-0316. It's reasonably good, though not good enough, and suffers the rollover problem. I quite liked the Microsoft Comfort Curve 2000, but I've worn out two of them, and the last one is starting to go bad (at the time it was the best keyboard I could find, so I bought three). Thank you all, I'll have a look at https://www.pckeyboard.com/ then. Seems like a good deal for a professional keyboard. Fred ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: OT: RGB mechanical keyboard
On Fri, 2021-09-03 at 15:39 -0400, Douglas McGarrett wrote: > If you can find an IBM model M keyboard somewhere, you'll never look > for another. They haven't been made in years, AFAIK, but I have three > of them--two full sized and one without the numeric pad that I use > with a laptop at home. The only drawback is that it's loud--I tried > it at the office once when I was still working, and I had to take it > back home. I have to say that I'd also like a proper typist's keyboard, but without the high volume clattering sound that they had. But you go into a store, and all they have is gaming keyboards (and often boxed up so you can't try them out - they're expensive and flashy, and not really that great for typing on), and wireless ones (which are a pain, with disconnections and needing batteries). I particularly despise noisy keyboards, keyboards with sharp edges on every key, legends that wear off, plastic that wears down, too short cables for reaching tower boxes sitting on the floor, wireless keyboards, and bad rollover handling (I've a number of keyboards that if you press your keys too closely together, timing wise, suddenly it's issued a HOME command and you're typing back at the head of your sentence, and I'm only a reasonably fast typer of around 40-50 wpm), and keys with insufficient travel distance. I wish someone could make one that felt like typing on the old IBM Selectric typewriters, and there are a few companies that have made that claim, but actual users have called them out for lying. At the moment I'm using an old, recycled, HP KU-0316. It's reasonably good, though not good enough, and suffers the rollover problem. I quite liked the Microsoft Comfort Curve 2000, but I've worn out two of them, and the last one is starting to go bad (at the time it was the best keyboard I could find, so I bought three). -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.36.2.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed Jul 21 11:57:15 UTC 2021 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: OT: RGB mechanical keyboard
On 9/3/21 4:06 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Douglas McGarrett said: If you can find an IBM model M keyboard somewhere, you'll never look for another. They haven't been made in years, AFAIK, but The original IBM keyboard team got spun off with Lexmark, and then spun off as independent company (IIRC owned by the original team from IBM). They still sell the old keyboards, as well as newer models with USB, the newer "logo" and menu keys, etc. They're still buckling spring and feel basically the same (a well-used Model M feels a little different than a brand new keyboard, but I think that's just springs breaking in). https://www.pckeyboard.com/ I have an original (made in 1985 or 1986 IIRC) Model M with the old school coiled-up detachable cable that I used for years, and a couple of the Unicomp USB versions that I use now, and they're great. In my previous post, I forgot to add the following: The old IBM model M has no Windows keys. Since only the left Win key seems to be used, you can simulate that by pressing CTRL+ESC simultaneously. --doug ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: OT: RGB mechanical keyboard
Once upon a time, Douglas McGarrett said: > If you can find an IBM model M keyboard somewhere, you'll never look > for another. They haven't been made in years, AFAIK, but The original IBM keyboard team got spun off with Lexmark, and then spun off as independent company (IIRC owned by the original team from IBM). They still sell the old keyboards, as well as newer models with USB, the newer "logo" and menu keys, etc. They're still buckling spring and feel basically the same (a well-used Model M feels a little different than a brand new keyboard, but I think that's just springs breaking in). https://www.pckeyboard.com/ I have an original (made in 1985 or 1986 IIRC) Model M with the old school coiled-up detachable cable that I used for years, and a couple of the Unicomp USB versions that I use now, and they're great. -- Chris Adams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: OT: RGB mechanical keyboard
On 9/3/21 10:08 AM, Frederic Muller wrote: Hi! This is a bit borderline but since I guess everybody is using a PC here (or a MAC...) you probably have a keyboard too... I recently (less than a year) got a mechanical keyboard (Logitech G512 - liked the 512 number...) and it's been complicated. I initially offered one to my wife, she loved it and "forced" me to get one too. I had to wash it dismantling the keys, putting them in soap and water, drying them, etc. I also bought a small hover to suck the potential dust creating problems (or ... something else). After less than a year both keyboards have been back under warranty, one because of the RGB lights breaking on some keys, the other one because of keys not working after a few hours of work (that's mine). When having problems (like the space bar, C key, arrows, etc stop working) I eventually took other keyboards I already have, and then I really missed the 'typing quality' of the mechanical one. I also appreciate that the Logitech keyboard do have Free Software projects allowing you to control each key and set up the lighting the way you want. You can even do (keyboard) games with those. I however suffered all those (un)typing issues and am disappointed by the overall quality. 2 keyboards, 2 went back under warranty (1 replaced, 1... waiting for it). So let's say I am hooked with the technology but... Do you guys know of any keyboard with similar typing quality but with durability and eventually free software driving the RGB lighting? I can probably live without the RGB stuff as well ;-) Oh .. I don't play games, just spend the whole day (and night?) behind (in front of?) my PC. Thank you. Fred ps: numeric pad is a must If you can find an IBM model M keyboard somewhere, you'll never look for another. They haven't been made in years, AFAIK, but I have three of them--two full sized and one without the numeric pad that I use with a laptop at home. The only drawback is that it's loud--I tried it at the office once when I was still working, and I had to take it back home. No lights, except for Num Lock, Caps Lock, and Sceoll Lock. Good luck in your quest! --doug ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
OT: RGB mechanical keyboard
Hi! This is a bit borderline but since I guess everybody is using a PC here (or a MAC...) you probably have a keyboard too... I recently (less than a year) got a mechanical keyboard (Logitech G512 - liked the 512 number...) and it's been complicated. I initially offered one to my wife, she loved it and "forced" me to get one too. I had to wash it dismantling the keys, putting them in soap and water, drying them, etc. I also bought a small hover to suck the potential dust creating problems (or ... something else). After less than a year both keyboards have been back under warranty, one because of the RGB lights breaking on some keys, the other one because of keys not working after a few hours of work (that's mine). When having problems (like the space bar, C key, arrows, etc stop working) I eventually took other keyboards I already have, and then I really missed the 'typing quality' of the mechanical one. I also appreciate that the Logitech keyboard do have Free Software projects allowing you to control each key and set up the lighting the way you want. You can even do (keyboard) games with those. I however suffered all those (un)typing issues and am disappointed by the overall quality. 2 keyboards, 2 went back under warranty (1 replaced, 1... waiting for it). So let's say I am hooked with the technology but... Do you guys know of any keyboard with similar typing quality but with durability and eventually free software driving the RGB lighting? I can probably live without the RGB stuff as well ;-) Oh .. I don't play games, just spend the whole day (and night?) behind (in front of?) my PC. Thank you. Fred ps: numeric pad is a must ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
