Re: OT Web servers and ISP -and Rails
On 02/01/2013 08:08 PM, Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2013-02-01 at 14:19 +1100, Roger wrote: Thanks Phil I have run into a gotcha with the ISP which will not provide Rails 3 on a shared server. Can someone please enlighten me as to why not. What are the problems? Apologies for OT but google so far doesn't help. I had a similar situation I just started using vps instead. I think most ISPs are still using Rails 2 because they see no need to upgrade are also wary of the swiftness of the Rails/Ruby releases. Plus there is no definitive Rails 3 per se to speak of. So, your only choice is to go with either a dedicated server, a vps/cloud solution or a specialist Rails outfit. VPS/cloud is by far the cheapest most flexible IMO works for me. Cheers, Phil... I would tend to agree that there is no definitive rails 3. Each, even minor change, virtually wrecks some part of previous coding and now they recommend preparing for Rails 4 which will trash some Rails 3 coding. Not happy Jan! Be great if the devs got something working and left it alone. Is Rails 2 safe enough to rely on? Rails 2 is nearly EOL (and considerably less featured than Rails 3. Yes, Rails 3.1.x changed things on 3.0.x and now 3.2.x has a lot of new changes. Rails is a very fast moving target but has revolutionized how data driven web sites get done. Deal with it or use something else. At the point you get up to speed on Rails, the changes are less difficult to migrate than they first seem. On the subject of Dedicated or VPS, I found Ventra-ip which provides Rails on shared server and today is releasing pricing on Dedicated and VPS. Prices are w-a-y below AussieHQ, Uber and others. I've seen no reports of problems with them. Has anyone o list used Ventra? rant Strange thing with Fedora 18. Apache or rather localhost:3000 works a treat with Rails but Drupal 7 on localhost/devsystem collapses when trying to install a live site copy. Mysql in Fedora 18 shuts down while building the database from an .sql file. Pig of a thing. end rant rant doesn't make sense. MySQL is MySQL and a valid file should be able to import cleanly so it's probably got some issues. Sounds like someone is a little weak on MySQL and counts on it it to be easy. There was talk on the Fedora-test and -devel list on migrating to MariaDB for F19... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT Web servers and ISP -and Rails
On Fri, 2013-02-01 at 14:19 +1100, Roger wrote: Thanks Phil I have run into a gotcha with the ISP which will not provide Rails 3 on a shared server. Can someone please enlighten me as to why not. What are the problems? Apologies for OT but google so far doesn't help. I had a similar situation I just started using vps instead. I think most ISPs are still using Rails 2 because they see no need to upgrade are also wary of the swiftness of the Rails/Ruby releases. Plus there is no definitive Rails 3 per se to speak of. So, your only choice is to go with either a dedicated server, a vps/cloud solution or a specialist Rails outfit. VPS/cloud is by far the cheapest most flexible IMO works for me. Cheers, Phil... I would tend to agree that there is no definitive rails 3. Each, even minor change, virtually wrecks some part of previous coding and now they recommend preparing for Rails 4 which will trash some Rails 3 coding. Not happy Jan! Be great if the devs got something working and left it alone. Is Rails 2 safe enough to rely on? Rails 2 is nearly EOL (and considerably less featured than Rails 3. Yes, Rails 3.1.x changed things on 3.0.x and now 3.2.x has a lot of new changes. Rails is a very fast moving target but has revolutionized how data driven web sites get done. Deal with it or use something else. At the point you get up to speed on Rails, the changes are less difficult to migrate than they first seem. On the subject of Dedicated or VPS, I found Ventra-ip which provides Rails on shared server and today is releasing pricing on Dedicated and VPS. Prices are w-a-y below AussieHQ, Uber and others. I've seen no reports of problems with them. Has anyone o list used Ventra? rant Strange thing with Fedora 18. Apache or rather localhost:3000 works a treat with Rails but Drupal 7 on localhost/devsystem collapses when trying to install a live site copy. Mysql in Fedora 18 shuts down while building the database from an .sql file. Pig of a thing. end rant rant doesn't make sense. MySQL is MySQL and a valid file should be able to import cleanly so it's probably got some issues. Sounds like someone is a little weak on MySQL and counts on it it to be easy. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT Web servers and ISP -and Rails
Thanks Phil I have run into a gotcha with the ISP which will not provide Rails 3 on a shared server. Can someone please enlighten me as to why not. What are the problems? Apologies for OT but google so far doesn't help. I had a similar situation I just started using vps instead. I think most ISPs are still using Rails 2 because they see no need to upgrade are also wary of the swiftness of the Rails/Ruby releases. Plus there is no definitive Rails 3 per se to speak of. So, your only choice is to go with either a dedicated server, a vps/cloud solution or a specialist Rails outfit. VPS/cloud is by far the cheapest most flexible IMO works for me. Cheers, Phil... I would tend to agree that there is no definitive rails 3. Each, even minor change, virtually wrecks some part of previous coding and now they recommend preparing for Rails 4 which will trash some Rails 3 coding. Not happy Jan! Be great if the devs got something working and left it alone. Is Rails 2 safe enough to rely on? On the subject of Dedicated or VPS, I found Ventra-ip which provides Rails on shared server and today is releasing pricing on Dedicated and VPS. Prices are w-a-y below AussieHQ, Uber and others. I've seen no reports of problems with them. Has anyone o list used Ventra? rant Strange thing with Fedora 18. Apache or rather localhost:3000 works a treat with Rails but Drupal 7 on localhost/devsystem collapses when trying to install a live site copy. Mysql in Fedora 18 shuts down while building the database from an .sql file. Pig of a thing. end rant Roger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
OT Web servers and ISP
I have run into a gotcha with the ISP which will not provide Rails 3 on a shared server. Can someone please enlighten me as to why not. What are the problems? Apologies for OT but google so far doesn't help. TIA Roger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT Web servers and ISP
On 01/28/2013 10:35 PM, Roger wrote: I have run into a gotcha with the ISP which will not provide Rails 3 on a shared server. Can someone please enlighten me as to why not. What are the problems? Apologies for OT but google so far doesn't help. I had a similar situation I just started using vps instead. I think most ISPs are still using Rails 2 because they see no need to upgrade are also wary of the swiftness of the Rails/Ruby releases. Plus there is no definitive Rails 3 per se to speak of. So, your only choice is to go with either a dedicated server, a vps/cloud solution or a specialist Rails outfit. VPS/cloud is by far the cheapest most flexible IMO works for me. Cheers, Phil... -- currently (ab)using CentOS 5.8 6.3, Debian Squeeze Wheezy, Fedora Beefy Spherical, Lubuntu 12.10, OS X Snow Leopard Ubuntu Precise Quantal GnuPG Key : http://www.horse-latitudes.co.uk/publickey.asc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
