Re: OpenOffice Should Be Included On Version 13 LiveCD...
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: True, but if a Linux distribution wants to attract Windows and OSX desktop users (_IF_), OO is an essential package because it is what those users expect, an integrated office application suite that is compatible with MS Office. I understand the sentiment, but attracting Windows and OSX is indeed a big IF. :D Sure, the more the merrier and all that, but if anything I'd want the installation to showcase things that are not easily possible on other OSes. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OpenOffice Should Be Included On Version 13 LiveCD...
On 5/13/2010 11:31 AM, Kwan Lowe wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: True, but if a Linux distribution wants to attract Windows and OSX desktop users (_IF_), OO is an essential package because it is what those users expect, an integrated office application suite that is compatible with MS Office. I understand the sentiment, but attracting Windows and OSX is indeed a big IF. :D Sure, the more the merrier and all that, but if anything I'd want the installation to showcase things that are not easily possible on other OSes. I just have to ask. Why would running Openoffice on Linux impress a Windows user enough to convince them to switch to Linux? Openoffice is available for Windows. And at the same price too! :-) -- David signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OpenOffice Should Be Included On Version 13 LiveCD...
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby miham...@gulfsat.mg wrote: Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com : True, but if a Linux distribution wants to attract Windows and OSX desktop users (_IF_), OO is an essential package because it is what those users expect, an integrated office application suite that is compatible with MS Office. On an installed system, yes. On a Live one, I dont think so. A live CD is more expected to recognize hardware and to connect easily to internet, though through exotic modems. Except that new users will mostly use a Live CD to install Fedora. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OpenOffice Should Be Included On Version 13 LiveCD...
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 11:58 AM, David Boles dgbo...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/13/2010 11:31 AM, Kwan Lowe wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: True, but if a Linux distribution wants to attract Windows and OSX desktop users (_IF_), OO is an essential package because it is what those users expect, an integrated office application suite that is compatible with MS Office. I understand the sentiment, but attracting Windows and OSX is indeed a big IF. :D Sure, the more the merrier and all that, but if anything I'd want the installation to showcase things that are not easily possible on other OSes. I just have to ask. Why would running Openoffice on Linux impress a Windows user enough to convince them to switch to Linux? Openoffice is available for Windows. And at the same price too! :-) Familiarity? Compatibility? Integration? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Re: OpenOffice Should Be Included On Version 13 LiveCD...
I always load open office. I can not imagine a work computer not to have open office. I can see how it could be left off due to space constraints. It is not a big deal, I just load it after the first boot. The main thing I want from a live CD is answering the question: Will fedora work? Graphics and internet has a history of problems and the live CD answers this in a fast and easy fashion. Adding g++ has been more of a non-intuitive step for me. Having said all of that, I was surprised when open office was missing. Frank Pont -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OpenOffice Should Be Included On Version 13 LiveCD...
On 5/13/2010 12:07 PM, Tom H wrote: On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 11:58 AM, David Boles dgbo...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/13/2010 11:31 AM, Kwan Lowe wrote: I just have to ask. Why would running Openoffice on Linux impress a Windows user enough to convince them to switch to Linux? Openoffice is available for Windows. And at the same price too! :-) Familiarity? Compatibility? Integration? Already owns computer. Already owns Windows. Already owns the bundled software that came with the computer. Already owns the games that use Windows. Already plays the music and videos that (s)he has. The list is endless and Openoffice would be IMO near the end of the list. IIRC it was proposed for the Live-DVD of Fedora 13 but too many complained that they did not have DVD drives. And, again IIRC, there is a Live-DVD proposed for Fedora 14. But please try to convince me. I'm easy. :-) -- David signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OpenOffice Should Be Included On Version 13 LiveCD...
On 05/13/2010 06:25 PM, David Boles wrote: The list is endless and Openoffice would be IMO near the end of the list. May-be for you, may-be for some kinds of hobbist usage. For serious usage, the first items to check other OSes for are webbrowser, mailer and wordprocessor. Ralf -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Re: OpenOffice Should Be Included On Version 13 LiveCD...
On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 12:08 -0400, Wm_Frank Pont jr wrote: The main thing I want from a live CD is answering the question: Will fedora work? Graphics and internet has a history of problems and the live CD answers this in a fast and easy fashion. Only a partial answer, though. I've seen systems that won't work, at all, with a live disc, but work fine with a normal install. Someone using the live disc as their first trial is going to give up. And I've seen plenty of others where a live disc works horribly on a system (tediously slow, minutes and minutes to boot, around a minute to get an application to start up, etc.), yet a normal install works fine. So it's important to say that a live disc tests whether a live disc works on a system. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OpenOffice Should Be Included On Version 13 LiveCD...
On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 11:58 -0400, David Boles wrote: I just have to ask. Why would running Openoffice on Linux impress a Windows user enough to convince them to switch to Linux? Openoffice is available for Windows. And at the same price too! :-) I don't think it would, by itself. But it shows a long time Windows user that there is this alternative called Linux, and that it could do the main things that they were already doing (1), and none of the other things that they were sick of having to deal with - the usual Windows problems (2). 1. e-mail, web browsing, instant messaging, word processing, playing their stash of music, playing games... 2. Crashing, rebooting, viruses, trojans, spyware, unfair contracts, and huge costs (if they're being legal and buying lots of software)... I don't think Fedora's really the best choice for showcasing Linux against Windows, though. Apart from the rapid churn, there are legal issues with one of the main things Windows users are going to want to do (play their MP3 collection), and they want their flashy graphics games like World of Warcraft, and its ilk. While the MP3 legal issues are easy enough to dodge, doing something that Linux can't, isn't. And I don't see playing with virtual machines as the solution, either. Why run Windows apps through one of them, when you can run it normally? And without the slowdown or complication. To me, the live discs show that you probably could run Linux on a box. They show a user how they could run their computer alternatively, what it would look like, and how it will be easy to figure out (it has familiar enough menus, etc.). And allows you to temporarily run an alternative OS on someone else's Windows box (whether that be repairs, or just to use something less painful when you're away from your own PC). But considering a few problems, such as slowness, and only being able to temporarily install Linux updates or additional software, what would be more useful to me is having a Linux boot disc that could start up a computer but run it from a plugged in external ordinary hard drive. None of the slowness of a DVD/CD, none of the short life span of flash memory drives (or lack of space issues). -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
OpenOffice Should Be Included On Version 13 LiveCD...
OpenOffice Should Be Included On Version 13 LiveCD... Hi, Booted Fedora 13 RC#2 LiveCD, and was very disappointed that OpenOffice was not a default program. I am hoping that the Final version will have OpenOffice on it? Jesse -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OpenOffice Should Be Included On Version 13 LiveCD...
On 05/12/2010 08:06 PM, Jesse Palser wrote: OpenOffice Should Be Included On Version 13 LiveCD... Hi, Booted Fedora 13 RC#2 LiveCD, and was very disappointed that OpenOffice was not a default program. I am hoping that the Final version will have OpenOffice on it? Ask yourself these questions 1. How much data does a CD hold? 2. What is the total size of the openoffice rpms? 3. If the openoffice rpms are included, which packages should be excluded to comply with #1? -- When the least they could do to you was everything, then the most they could do to you suddenly held no terror. (Small Gods) 葛斯克 愛德華 / 台 北市八德路四段 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OpenOffice Should Be Included On Version 13 LiveCD...
I think one of the prices you pay for the LiveCD is the space constraint forbids putting large packages on the CD. I tend to use the install DVD unless I am worried about hardware working with the defaults. But it is easy to add Openoffice, octave, gcc and other packages. It is a question of downloading the DVD with lots of things you don't want or down loading your requirements after the install. If you have no network (down loaded on a different machine that the target install) then you have to use the DVD with no updates. Frank Pont who knows enough to be dangerous. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OpenOffice Should Be Included On Version 13 LiveCD...
Jesse Palser slnth...@aol.com : I am hoping that the Final version will have OpenOffice on it? I hope no. -- Architecte Informatique chez Blueline/Gulfsat: Administration Systeme, Recherche Developpement +261 3456 000 19 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OpenOffice Should Be Included On Version 13 LiveCD...
On Wed, 2010-05-12 at 13:26 +0100, Michal wrote: On 12/05/2010 13:06, Jesse Palser wrote: OpenOffice Should Be Included On Version 13 LiveCD... Hi, Booted Fedora 13 RC#2 LiveCD, and was very disappointed that OpenOffice was not a default program. I am hoping that the Final version will have OpenOffice on it? Jesse Why? It's huge and lots of people will not want it by default...maybe an option to install it, but not a default Apart from the problem that I didn't manage to get F13RC2 to become bootable on my memory stick when installing with LiveUSB Creator, it should be easy to install the live image on a 2GB memory stick (or bigger) adding an overlay big enough to hold OpenOffice. Perhaps on first boot the live image could detect the overlay and offer installation of an extended application set? birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OpenOffice Should Be Included On Version 13 LiveCD...
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 03:04:05PM +0200, birger wrote: On Wed, 2010-05-12 at 13:26 +0100, Michal wrote: On 12/05/2010 13:06, Jesse Palser wrote: OpenOffice Should Be Included On Version 13 LiveCD... Hi, Booted Fedora 13 RC#2 LiveCD, and was very disappointed that OpenOffice was not a default program. I am hoping that the Final version will have OpenOffice on it? Why? It's huge and lots of people will not want it by default...maybe an option to install it, but not a default Apart from the problem that I didn't manage to get F13RC2 to become bootable on my memory stick when installing with LiveUSB Creator, it should be easy to install the live image on a 2GB memory stick (or bigger) adding an overlay big enough to hold OpenOffice. Perhaps on first boot the live image could detect the overlay and offer installation of an extended application set? For a while, the Fedora Live image was intended to grow to be ~1 GB this release. However, we realized that to do that properly required more careful choices and design than just plopping more packages on the current default image. So that will become part of F-14 planning, we'll definitely be considering this kind of add-on capability as one possibility. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OpenOffice Should Be Included On Version 13 LiveCD...
On Wed, 2010-05-12 at 15:59 +0300, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: Jesse Palser slnth...@aol.com : I am hoping that the Final version will have OpenOffice on it? I hope no. -- Architecte Informatique chez Blueline/Gulfsat: Administration Systeme, Recherche Developpement +261 3456 000 19 Hi, Ubuntu 10.04 LiveCD has OpenOffice installed. Don't understand why Fedora LiveCD can't do the same. Jesse -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OpenOffice Should Be Included On Version 13 LiveCD...
Jesse Palser slnth...@aol.com : Ubuntu 10.04 LiveCD has OpenOffice installed. Don't understand why Fedora LiveCD can't do the same. I dont understand why each Linux distribution must make all the same choices. If there are plenty flavours, it's to have much different choices. -- Architecte Informatique chez Blueline/Gulfsat: Administration Systeme, Recherche Developpement +261 3456 000 19 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OpenOffice Should Be Included On Version 13 LiveCD...
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby miham...@gulfsat.mg wrote: Jesse Palser slnth...@aol.com : Ubuntu 10.04 LiveCD has OpenOffice installed. Don't understand why Fedora LiveCD can't do the same. I dont understand why each Linux distribution must make all the same choices. If there are plenty flavours, it's to have much different choices. True, but if a Linux distribution wants to attract Windows and OSX desktop users (_IF_), OO is an essential package because it is what those users expect, an integrated office application suite that is compatible with MS Office. Regarding Ubuntu's Live CD, I once saw a post that they prune OO in order to fit it onto a CD; and that a further install is needed to pull in the full suite. (With apologies for not knowing the details of what is left out, etc.) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OpenOffice Should Be Included On Version 13 LiveCD...
Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com : True, but if a Linux distribution wants to attract Windows and OSX desktop users (_IF_), OO is an essential package because it is what those users expect, an integrated office application suite that is compatible with MS Office. On an installed system, yes. On a Live one, I dont think so. A live CD is more expected to recognize hardware and to connect easily to internet, though through exotic modems. Just my opinion, then. -- Architecte Informatique chez Blueline/Gulfsat: Administration Systeme, Recherche Developpement +261 3456 000 19 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OpenOffice Should Be Included On Version 13 LiveCD...
On Wed 12 May 2010 @ 13:54:33 UTC, Jesse Palser scribed: Ubuntu 10.04 LiveCD has OpenOffice installed. Don't understand why Fedora LiveCD can't do the same. Hi Jesse, You could also make one yourself... the instructions are at the bottom of https://spins.fedoraproject.org/support 3 quick hints for Fedora 'spin' tools: # yum info revisor* # yum info isomaster # yum info liveusb* Personally, I don't understand why a LiveDVD isn't on the http://torrent.fedoraproject.org page. ;-] -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
