Re: Password Managers
Il giorno mer, 27/12/2017 alle 19.58 -0800, Richard England ha scritto: > Another choice is Enpass https://www.enpass.io/ where are the sources and howto rebuild to verify that there are no back doors into build? Thanks -- Dario Lesca (inviato dal mio Linux Fedora 27 Workstation) ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Password Managers
On 12/27/2017 06:22 AM, Michael Watters wrote: On 12/27/2017 05:33 AM, Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 26 December 2017, Patrick O'Callaghan sent: There is an ongoing project to unify Gnome and KDE password managers. See https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/secret-storage-spec/ It's been ongoing for quite a few years and hasn't produced anything usable so far. I wonder if that's down to technical problems, or obstinacy? Insert obligatory XKCD here. Personally I just use keepassx2 but it would be nice if there was a way to integrate saved passwords between different browsers and GNOME/KDE/GPG/ssh agents. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Another choice is Enpass https://www.enpass.io/ ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Password Managers
Colin J Thomson wrote: > FYI, I find "dnf whatprovides" most useful, Yeah, I use that and dnf repoquery a lot. Strictly speaking, 'dnf provides' is the documented command, with whatprovides kept as an undocumented alias. > Or add a wildcard > > [xxx@xxx ~]$ dnf whatprovides python*-keyring Indeed. And that works with list, info, etc. as well. For good measure, it's good to be in the habit of quoting or escaping the star to avoid matching a local file. :) I happened to look through the dnf manpage and git history and saw that 'dnf list' is documented to not match provides (though not directly, so those of us who only skim the man page these days might easily miss it). The list command synopsis says: dnf [options] list [--all] [...] And then later in the 'SPECIFYING PACKAGES' section it says: is similar to except the provides matching is never attempted there. The 'dnf info' command uses '', where '' is documented to match provides. Based on a light skimming of the dnf code, I am nearly certain this is a documentation bug and the info command is not intended to match provides (for better or worse). While I was looking at it, I submitted a trivial patch to update the 'dnf info' synopsis clarifying this: https://github.com/rpm-software-management/dnf/pull/1004 -- Todd ~~ How much does it cost to entice a dope-smoking UNIX system guru to Dayton? -- Brian Boyle, UNIX/WORLD's First Annual Salary Survey signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Password Managers
On Wed, 2017-12-27 at 08:43 -0500, Todd Zullinger wrote: > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Wed, 2017-12-27 at 02:25 +, Christopher wrote: > > > python-keyring is a python wrapper around several > > > different package managers. It comes with a command-line > > > 'keyring' command. There's a version for both python2 and > > > python3 in Fedora, and in EPEL also. > > > > (I assume you mean 'password managers', not 'package > > managers') > > > > That doesn't appear in the standard repos. > > It is. The name python-keyring is the source package name. > With python2 and python3 versions, the binary packages are > python2-keyring and python3-keyring. > > There is a python-keyring provides in python2-keyring as > well, so 'dnf install python-keyring' and 'dnf provides > python-keyring' both work. Using 'dnf list python-keyring' > does not, but that's a quirk/bug of dnf IMO. > > This will be true for more and more python packages as the > switch from python2 to python3 as the default python is > completed > (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FinalizingFedoraSwitchtoPython3). Thanks for the clarification. It turns out that: $ dnf [info|search] python*-keyring does work. You just have to remember to add the wildcard when enquiring about Python packages. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Password Managers
On Wednesday, 27 December 2017 18:40:29 GMT Todd Zullinger wrote: > The main issue I see is that many users expect dnf list to > do more than it does. But yum list behaved this way as well > (and still does on el6/el7). It may just be that less > people noticed until python-$module packages were changed to > python2-$module to aid in the migration to python3 as the > default python. FYI, I find "dnf whatprovides" most useful, [xxx@xxx ~]$ dnf whatprovides python-keyring python2-keyring-10.5.1-1.fc27.noarch : Python 2 library to access the system keyring service Repo: updates-testing Matched from: Provide: python-keyring = 10.5.1-1.fc27 Or add a wildcard [xxx@xxx ~]$ dnf whatprovides python*-keyring python2-keyring-10.5.1-1.fc27.noarch : Python 2 library to access the system keyring service Repo: updates-testing Matched from: Provide: python-keyring = 10.5.1-1.fc27 Provide: python2-keyring = 10.5.1-1.fc27 python3-keyring-10.5.1-1.fc27.noarch : Python 3 library to access the system keyring service Repo: updates-testing Matched from: Provide: python3-keyring = 10.5.1-1.fc27 Colin -- Fedora 27 (Twenty Seven) Registered Linux user number #342953 ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Password Managers
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Neither does 'dnf info ...' nor 'dnf search ...' so it's either a > pretty serious defect or the package is poorly named. Embedding the > specific version of Python in the package name doesn't seem like a > future-proof strategy in general. The package is named properly and per the guidelines for python modules¹. Without having python2 and python3 prefixes it is not easy to move the default python from 2 to 3, as is being planned. Including the python version in the package name is what makes it future proof. This is also why the packages have a python-$module provides. Most often this currently points to the python2-$module, but can be easily changed to python3-$module after the switch. Folks that want or need the specific python2 or python3 version of the module can still install it. And those who don't care can just install python-$module. Packages which contain applications that are written in python sometimes ship the application in a separate package which depends on the python module, allowing it to be installed by the application name, keyring in this case. The main issue I see is that many users expect dnf list to do more than it does. But yum list behaved this way as well (and still does on el6/el7). It may just be that less people noticed until python-$module packages were changed to python2-$module to aid in the migration to python3 as the default python. ¹ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Python -- Todd ~~ I have never let my schooling interfere with my education. -- Mark Twain (1835-1910) signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Password Managers
Il giorno mer, 27/12/2017 alle 09.22 -0500, Michael Watters ha scritto: > keepassx2 KeePassXC is better, and, if you want, can save/restore also FF password. -- Dario Lesca (inviato dal mio Linux Fedora 27 Workstation) ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Password Managers
On Wed, 2017-12-27 at 08:43 -0500, Todd Zullinger wrote: > Using 'dnf list python-keyring' > does not, but that's a quirk/bug of dnf IMO. Neither does 'dnf info ...' nor 'dnf search ...' so it's either a pretty serious defect or the package is poorly named. Embedding the specific version of Python in the package name doesn't seem like a future-proof strategy in general. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Password Managers
On 12/27/2017 05:33 AM, Tim wrote: > Allegedly, on or about 26 December 2017, Patrick O'Callaghan sent: >> There is an ongoing project to unify Gnome and KDE password managers. >> See https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/secret-storage-spec/ >> >> It's been ongoing for quite a few years and hasn't produced anything >> usable so far. > I wonder if that's down to technical problems, or obstinacy? Insert obligatory XKCD here. Personally I just use keepassx2 but it would be nice if there was a way to integrate saved passwords between different browsers and GNOME/KDE/GPG/ssh agents. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Password Managers
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2017-12-27 at 02:25 +, Christopher wrote: >> python-keyring is a python wrapper around several >> different package managers. It comes with a command-line >> 'keyring' command. There's a version for both python2 and >> python3 in Fedora, and in EPEL also. > > (I assume you mean 'password managers', not 'package > managers') > > That doesn't appear in the standard repos. It is. The name python-keyring is the source package name. With python2 and python3 versions, the binary packages are python2-keyring and python3-keyring. There is a python-keyring provides in python2-keyring as well, so 'dnf install python-keyring' and 'dnf provides python-keyring' both work. Using 'dnf list python-keyring' does not, but that's a quirk/bug of dnf IMO. This will be true for more and more python packages as the switch from python2 to python3 as the default python is completed (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FinalizingFedoraSwitchtoPython3). -- Todd ~~ No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public. -- H. L. Mencken signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Password Managers
On Wed, 2017-12-27 at 02:25 +, Christopher wrote: > On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 6:21 PM Patrick O'Callaghan <pocallag...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > On Tue, 2017-12-26 at 14:23 -0800, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > > > Is there any way to unify the password managers for Gnome (Keyring), KDE > > > (Wallet), Firefox (internal), etc? If not currently, is there any work > > > going on to make it possible? > > > > There is an ongoing project to unify Gnome and KDE password managers. > > See https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/secret-storage-spec > > / > > > > It's been ongoing for quite a few years and hasn't produced anything usable > > so far. > > > > python-keyring is a python wrapper around several different package managers. > It comes with a command-line 'keyring' command. There's a version for both > python2 and python3 in Fedora, and in EPEL also. (I assume you mean 'password managers', not 'package managers') That doesn't appear in the standard repos. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
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I don't speak from any authority but I'm not surprised. I mean we can't even decide on a single clipboard. There is an x clipboard and the window manager has its own clipboard. I'm amazed every day things work as well as they do with people like these making decisions. GnuPG 4483fad9f893eaf6f32cac12d46c17f6b63de06a signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Password Managers
Allegedly, on or about 26 December 2017, Patrick O'Callaghan sent: > There is an ongoing project to unify Gnome and KDE password managers. > See https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/secret-storage-spec/ > > It's been ongoing for quite a few years and hasn't produced anything > usable so far. I wonder if that's down to technical problems, or obstinacy? -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.13.16-202.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Nov 30 15:39:32 UTC 2017 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Linux cures Windows pains. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Password Managers
On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 6:21 PM Patrick O'Callaghan <pocallag...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, 2017-12-26 at 14:23 -0800, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > > Is there any way to unify the password managers for Gnome (Keyring), KDE > (Wallet), Firefox (internal), etc? If not currently, is there any work > going on to make it possible? > > There is an ongoing project to unify Gnome and KDE password managers. > See https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/secret-storage-spec > / > > It's been ongoing for quite a few years and hasn't produced anything > usable so far. > > python-keyring is a python wrapper around several different package managers. It comes with a command-line 'keyring' command. There's a version for both python2 and python3 in Fedora, and in EPEL also. I believe it supports the secret-storage backend. I use it with gnome-keyring (the EPEL version might use libgnomekeyring instead of secret-storage, I can't remember, but the user experience is the same). > poc > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Password Managers
On Tue, 2017-12-26 at 14:23 -0800, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > Is there any way to unify the password managers for Gnome (Keyring), KDE > (Wallet), Firefox (internal), etc? If not currently, is there any work going > on to make it possible? There is an ongoing project to unify Gnome and KDE password managers. See https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/secret-storage-spec / It's been ongoing for quite a few years and hasn't produced anything usable so far. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Password Managers
Is there any way to unify the password managers for Gnome (Keyring), KDE (Wallet), Firefox (internal), etc? If not currently, is there any work going on to make it possible? Thanks - jon ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
