Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 09/02/2012 10:59 PM, Tim wrote:

On Sun, 2012-09-02 at 11:03 -0500, inode0 wrote:

Since this entire conversation is about if and how to change the
process beginning with Fedora 19 there is no answer to your question
until a new process is agreed to or the effort is abandoned, neither
of which has happened yet.

Leaving one approach, in the meantime:  Lots more people suggesting
better names, and more people voting for them.  Rather than leaving the
naming process up to other people, who might pick names you don't like.

I agree! As long as there remains an interest in the naming convention, 
then the general public can still have a say in this!



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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 09/01/2012 08:17 AM, Lailah wrote:


El dom, 19-08-2012 a las 12:42 -0400, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. escribió:


I would love just "Bernhardt", as in "Verne".  Just the name, 
without any other word.



/Cheers/
*/Lailah/*

I think that's a great idea! "Bernhardt".version 
F19?F20?LoL! Don't know if it's too late to submit it for F18



EGO II



For Fedora 18 is too late but I think we are on time for Fedora 19.  
Where and when we can make our proposals for F19 name release?



/Regards,/
*/Lailah/*



I think there's a link somewhere on the homepage for Fedora?not too 
sure, but I'll be searching high and low for it, as I would LOVE to have 
had SOME "involvement" in the next version of Fedora"The Greatest OS 
On Earth"...LoL!



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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Tim]

On Sun, 2012-09-02 at 11:03 -0500, inode0 wrote:
> Since this entire conversation is about if and how to change the
> process beginning with Fedora 19 there is no answer to your question
> until a new process is agreed to or the effort is abandoned, neither
> of which has happened yet.

Leaving one approach, in the meantime:  Lots more people suggesting
better names, and more people voting for them.  Rather than leaving the
naming process up to other people, who might pick names you don't like.

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[inode0]

On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Lailah  wrote:
> For Fedora 18 is too late but I think we are on time for Fedora 19.  Where
> and when we can make our proposals for F19 name release?

Since this entire conversation is about if and how to change the
process beginning with Fedora 19 there is no answer to your question
until a new process is agreed to or the effort is abandoned, neither
of which has happened yet.

John
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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Lailah]

El dom, 19-08-2012 a las 12:42 -0400, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. escribió:

> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > I would love just "Bernhardt", as in "Verne".  Just the name,
> > without any other word.
> > 
> > 
> > Cheers
> > Lailah 
> > 
> 
> I think that's a great idea! "Bernhardt".version
> F19?F20?LoL! Don't know if it's too late to submit it for
> F18
> 
> 
> EGO II



For Fedora 18 is too late but I think we are on time for Fedora 19.
Where and when we can make our proposals for F19 name release?


Regards,
Lailah

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 08/16/2012 11:38 AM, Lailah wrote:



El mar, 14-08-2012 a las 21:11 -0400, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. escribió:


So then?...are we all agreed?...that when time comes...we'll all vote
for "Bernhardt" as a pert of...or the entire name of the next official
release of Fedora?cool!


EGO II


I would love just "Bernhardt", as in "Verne".  Just the name, without 
any other word.



/Cheers/
*/Lailah/*


I think that's a great idea! "Bernhardt".version 
F19?F20?LoL! Don't know if it's too late to submit it for F18



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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Lailah]

El mar, 14-08-2012 a las 21:11 -0400, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. escribió:


> So then?...are we all agreed?...that when time comes...we'll all vote 
> for "Bernhardt" as a pert of...or the entire name of the next official 
> release of Fedora?cool!
> 
> 
> EGO II


I would love just "Bernhardt", as in "Verne".  Just the name, without
any other word.


Cheers
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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Lailah]

El mar, 14-08-2012 a las 13:40 -0700, Joe Zeff escribió:

> On 08/13/2012 03:30 PM, Lailah wrote:
> > Oh, I would love this name!  Vote for it!
> > Aside of this...  I didn't knew that about Fedora and Sara Bernhardt.  I
> > always wondered for the very origin of the word "Fedora"?
> 
> So did I, so I looked it up in Wikipedia instead of just wondering. 
> HTH, HAND.


Oh, I see.  English Wikipedia is more complete than Spanish Wikipedia.
I'll remember that for the next time.


Thanks!
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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Joe Zeff]

On 08/14/2012 07:23 PM, David wrote:

Gee Joe. You studied history in school too?  :-) No I was not.



Yes, but that's not how I knew the name.  I'm an early boomer (and my 
sister is a late war-baby) and back in the '50s, that movie was on TV 
fairly frequently, along with a large number of other old movies.



I am the child of WWII vets. I know most of the names of the people, the
places, and such. And, yes, I knew of The Ruptured Duck.


So am I.  Both of my parents worked for Lockheed until Dad was drafted. 
 (Limited service because he was blind in his left eye.)  In fact, he 
told me once that he worked on the prototype for one of the models of 
the P38.  Not that any of this is Fedora related, but it might explain a 
bit about where I'm coming from and why my opinions about software don't 
match some of the younger members of the list.

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[David]

On 8/14/2012 9:43 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 08/14/2012 06:20 PM, David wrote:
>>
>> I like it*much*  better than The Ruptured Duck or Got the Trots Dog.
> 
> If you're looking for names out of history, there are worse names than
> The Ruptured Duck.  It was, after all, the name of the B25 bomber flown
> by Lt. Ted W. Lawson in the Doolittle Raid.  (FYI, he was the one who
> wrote the book, Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo.)  Not that I'd expect many
> people to recognize the the name any more, but you might be surprised at
> how many Fedora users grew up watching that movie.


Gee Joe. You studied history in school too?  :-)

I am the child of WWII vets. I know most of the names of the people, the
places, and such. And, yes, I knew of The Ruptured Duck.

My grandfather and grandmother worked on the Manhattan project in New
Mexico. My mom, before I was born, was a Rosie and worked on airplanes.
My dad, before I was born, was wounded and almost died on his way to
Germany. My Uncle Cosmo lost a leg in Italy. My Uncle Wayne lost an eye
and a hand in France. June 6th, 1944. first wave. My dad's best friend,
and our neighbor, almost died in Iwo Jima. he was my friend too. He gave
me the dagger that the Japanese solder stabled him with before Harry
killed him. I could go on. But I won't.

All I meant was that the name should not, IMHO, be stupid like the ones
that Ubuntu picks.

And *ALL* of this is really OT.
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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[David]

On 8/14/2012 9:43 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 08/14/2012 06:20 PM, David wrote:
>>
>> I like it*much*  better than The Ruptured Duck or Got the Trots Dog.
> 
> If you're looking for names out of history, there are worse names than
> The Ruptured Duck.  It was, after all, the name of the B25 bomber flown
> by Lt. Ted W. Lawson in the Doolittle Raid.  (FYI, he was the one who
> wrote the book, Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo.)  Not that I'd expect many
> people to recognize the the name any more, but you might be surprised at
> how many Fedora users grew up watching that movie.


Gee Joe. You studied history in school too?  :-) No I was not.

I am the child of WWII vets. I know most of the names of the people, the
places, and such. And, yes, I knew of The Ruptured Duck.

My grandfather and grandmother worked on the Manhattan project in New
Mexico. My mom, before I was born, was a Rosie and worked on airplanes.
My dad, before I was born, was wounded and almost died on his way to
Germany. My Uncle Cosmo lost a leg in Italy. My Uncle Wayne lost an eye
and a hand in France. June 6th, 1944. first wave. My dad's best friend,
and our neighbor, almost died in Iwo Jima. he was my friend too. He gave
me the dagger that the Japanese solder stabled him with before Harry
killed him. I could go on. But I won't.

All I meant was that the name should not, IMHO, be stupid like the ones
that Ubuntu picks.

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Joe Zeff]

On 08/14/2012 06:20 PM, David wrote:


I like it*much*  better than The Ruptured Duck or Got the Trots Dog.


If you're looking for names out of history, there are worse names than 
The Ruptured Duck.  It was, after all, the name of the B25 bomber flown 
by Lt. Ted W. Lawson in the Doolittle Raid.  (FYI, he was the one who 
wrote the book, Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo.)  Not that I'd expect many 
people to recognize the the name any more, but you might be surprised at 
how many Fedora users grew up watching that movie.

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 08/14/2012 09:20 PM, David wrote:

On 8/14/2012 9:11 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

On 08/14/2012 04:40 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 08/13/2012 03:30 PM, Lailah wrote:

Oh, I would love this name!  Vote for it!
Aside of this...  I didn't knew that about Fedora and Sara Bernhardt.  I
always wondered for the very origin of the word "Fedora"?

So did I, so I looked it up in Wikipedia instead of just wondering.
HTH, HAND.

So then?...are we all agreed?...that when time comes...we'll all vote
for "Bernhardt" as a pert of...or the entire name of the next official
release of Fedora?cool!


I like it *much* better than The Ruptured Duck or Got the Trots Dog.


Or something else completely tasteless in some way.like "Splattered 
Puckball"Foxy Toadstool..Ignorant Blister...LoL! (I have a 12 
year old who plays drums!what'd you EXPECT!...LoL!)



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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[David]

On 8/14/2012 9:11 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
> On 08/14/2012 04:40 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
>> On 08/13/2012 03:30 PM, Lailah wrote:
>>> Oh, I would love this name!  Vote for it!
>>> Aside of this...  I didn't knew that about Fedora and Sara Bernhardt.  I
>>> always wondered for the very origin of the word "Fedora"?
>>
>> So did I, so I looked it up in Wikipedia instead of just wondering.
>> HTH, HAND.
> So then?...are we all agreed?...that when time comes...we'll all vote
> for "Bernhardt" as a pert of...or the entire name of the next official
> release of Fedora?cool!


I like it *much* better than The Ruptured Duck or Got the Trots Dog.


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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Joe Zeff]

On 08/14/2012 06:11 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

On 08/14/2012 04:40 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 08/13/2012 03:30 PM, Lailah wrote:

Oh, I would love this name!  Vote for it!
Aside of this...  I didn't knew that about Fedora and Sara Bernhardt.  I
always wondered for the very origin of the word "Fedora"?


So did I, so I looked it up in Wikipedia instead of just wondering.
HTH, HAND.

So then?...are we all agreed?...that when time comes...we'll all vote
for "Bernhardt" as a pert of...or the entire name of the next official
release of Fedora?cool!




Works for me, if we can't make F18 a celebration of life.  L'Chaim, 
everybody!

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 08/14/2012 04:40 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 08/13/2012 03:30 PM, Lailah wrote:

Oh, I would love this name!  Vote for it!
Aside of this...  I didn't knew that about Fedora and Sara Bernhardt.  I
always wondered for the very origin of the word "Fedora"?


So did I, so I looked it up in Wikipedia instead of just wondering. 
HTH, HAND.
So then?...are we all agreed?...that when time comes...we'll all vote 
for "Bernhardt" as a pert of...or the entire name of the next official 
release of Fedora?cool!



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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Joe Zeff]

On 08/13/2012 03:30 PM, Lailah wrote:

Oh, I would love this name!  Vote for it!
Aside of this...  I didn't knew that about Fedora and Sara Bernhardt.  I
always wondered for the very origin of the word "Fedora"?


So did I, so I looked it up in Wikipedia instead of just wondering. 
HTH, HAND.

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Jack Craig]

On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Lailah  wrote:

> **
>
>
> El sáb, 11-08-2012 a las 16:48 -0700, Joe Zeff escribió:
>
> Actually, I wouldn't think it a bad thing for a release named Bernhardt.
>   Why?  Because the very first fedora was designed to be part of costume
> for Sarah Bernhardt in the play Fedora in 1882 and started out strictly
> as a woman's hat.  Later, of course, in the 1920s and 30s, it became
> popular among politicians and gangsters.  I doubt very many people would
> vote for it, but it'd be a neat thing to suggest.
>
>
>
> Oh, I would love this name!  Vote for it!
> Aside of this...  I didn't knew that about Fedora and Sara Bernhardt.  I
> always wondered for the very origin of the word "Fedora"?
>

Me Too! A great way to preserve an interesting bit of history...


>
>
> *Thanks, regards*
> *Lailah*
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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Lailah]

El sáb, 11-08-2012 a las 16:48 -0700, Joe Zeff escribió:

> 
> Actually, I wouldn't think it a bad thing for a release named Bernhardt. 
>   Why?  Because the very first fedora was designed to be part of costume 
> for Sarah Bernhardt in the play Fedora in 1882 and started out strictly 
> as a woman's hat.  Later, of course, in the 1920s and 30s, it became 
> popular among politicians and gangsters.  I doubt very many people would 
> vote for it, but it'd be a neat thing to suggest.



Oh, I would love this name!  Vote for it!
Aside of this...  I didn't knew that about Fedora and Sara Bernhardt.  I
always wondered for the very origin of the word "Fedora"?  


Thanks, regards
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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Joe Zeff]

On 08/11/2012 09:11 PM, jdow wrote:


But I'm an old woman and who cares what old women think?


Now, now, I don't think you're much older (if any) than I am, and that 
just puts you in middle youth.  Not even late middle youth.  STR for a 
know prize.

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[David]

On 8/12/2012 12:11 AM, jdow wrote:
> On 2012/08/11 18:09, David wrote:
>> On 8/11/2012 8:27 PM, Charlie Kravetz wrote:
>>> On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 19:47:47 -0400
>>> David  wrote:
>>>
 On 8/11/2012 7:16 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
> On 08/11/2012 04:20 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
>> On 08/11/2012 12:41 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
>>> As far as I can see, there's no imminent harm to giving a new
>>> release of
>>> an OS a name, if anything it gives it an identity, something to
>>> associate it with, such as when two developers are talking and
>>> one says
>>> have you seen the splash screens for "Verne"?with the two of
>>> them
>>> BOTH knowing what Fedora 16's "name" is. If someone doesn't think
>>> an OS
>>> release shouldn't' be named they can just ignore the name and go
>>> ahead
>>> and call it by whatever makes them happy! Remember Linux is all
>>> about
>>> "Freedom Of Choice"...whatever you choose to do, (within bounds of
>>> course!) is fine!
>>
>> I have no problems, personally, in naming releases.  I'm sure it's
>> much easier for the devs to refer to them by name, especially in
>> conversation.  And, for some distros, such as Ubuntu, the userbase
>> tends to use the names, not release number, making the names even
>> more
>> important.  My objection to the name for F17 is that it sounds
>> immature, rather as though it had been picked by a thirteen-year-old
>> boy suffering from testosterone overload for the first time.  Yes, I
>> understand that it was picked to honor the memory of a well-liked
>> Fedora developer, but that's what it looks like to me.
>>
>> Names can be a good thing, but an ill-chosen one can be a PR
>> nightmare.  I think that the only reason we've not had trouble over
>> Beefy Miracle is the fact that most people who know anything about
>> Fedora tend to ignore the names and those who don't mostly know
>> why it
>> got the name. This time, we got lucky and didn't end up with a metric
>> butload of bad publicity.  In the future, I think that some of the
>> more mature devs might want to take a little time to make sure
>> that we
>> use a little common sense and avoid such names.
>>
>> YMMV, and if it does, please remember that the above is only my
>> opinion and you're free to ignore it if you want.
> No worries Joe! I feel that we can *all *contribute something to this
> great project known as Fedora, so even YOUR opinion counts!...As for
> myselfI'd like to see the names go in a more "Start Trek / Star
> Wars
> / Battlestar Galactica" direction myself..but heyhere's to
> hoping!...


 I don't give a damn what the devs use for names as long as they are
 *not* like Ubuntu. Constipated Chicken. Four legged Duck. Soon to be
 dieing fish. Three legged dog.  Etc.

 I see the Ubuntu users actually using those names. I have "Constipated
 Chicken" installed and CD won't burn!!!  Really? You expect a Linux
 install named  "Constipated Chicken"  to burn a CD/DVD!! 

 OHG guys. Neat names or cute names but not stupid, embarrassing names.
>>>
>>> I think that depends on your own definitions. I do not find Beefy
>>> Miracle neat or cute IMHO.
>>>
>>
>> Bluntly? No insult meant to the devs? Or whomever picked that name.
>>
>> "Beefy Miracle", IMHO, is the name of the well endowed male actor in a
>> cheap porno video.
> 
> +1
> 
> But I'm an old woman and who cares what old women think?
> 
> {^_^}

There are no 'old women'. Just women with experience in life. And who
cares? Me for one. A women with experience makes for a much more
interesting date than a 'air head'.

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[jdow]

On 2012/08/11 19:13, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

On 08/11/2012 07:48 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 08/11/2012 04:16 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

No worries Joe! I feel that we can *all *contribute something to this
great project known as Fedora, so even YOUR opinion counts!...As for
myselfI'd like to see the names go in a more "Start Trek / Star Wars
/ Battlestar Galactica" direction myself..but heyhere's to
hoping!...


Actually, I wouldn't think it a bad thing for a release named Bernhardt.
Why?  Because the very first fedora was designed to be part of costume for
Sarah Bernhardt in the play Fedora in 1882 and started out strictly as a
woman's hat.  Later, of course, in the 1920s and 30s, it became popular among
politicians and gangsters. I doubt very many people would vote for it, but
it'd be a neat thing to suggest.

I actually like that idea!.not to mention that the two greatest "wearers" of
fedoras in the mid-thirties was Humphrey Bogart and James Cagney.so maybe
Bernhardt Humphrey?or Humphrey Bernhardt?.Sarah Cagney? James Humphrey?
Bogart Berhnardt? etc.there's a million different combinations and then when
you throw in the "greats"?Edward G. Robinson..Greta Garbo.Lauren
Bacall.Marilyn Monroeetc..etc you could have a whole new genre of names
for the next 20 releases!...LoL!


EGO II


Oh give up and use names like Fizzgig Glorzoblast.

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[jdow]

On 2012/08/11 18:09, David wrote:

On 8/11/2012 8:27 PM, Charlie Kravetz wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 19:47:47 -0400
David  wrote:


On 8/11/2012 7:16 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

On 08/11/2012 04:20 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 08/11/2012 12:41 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

As far as I can see, there's no imminent harm to giving a new release of
an OS a name, if anything it gives it an identity, something to
associate it with, such as when two developers are talking and one says
have you seen the splash screens for "Verne"?with the two of them
BOTH knowing what Fedora 16's "name" is. If someone doesn't think an OS
release shouldn't' be named they can just ignore the name and go ahead
and call it by whatever makes them happy! Remember Linux is all about
"Freedom Of Choice"...whatever you choose to do, (within bounds of
course!) is fine!


I have no problems, personally, in naming releases.  I'm sure it's
much easier for the devs to refer to them by name, especially in
conversation.  And, for some distros, such as Ubuntu, the userbase
tends to use the names, not release number, making the names even more
important.  My objection to the name for F17 is that it sounds
immature, rather as though it had been picked by a thirteen-year-old
boy suffering from testosterone overload for the first time.  Yes, I
understand that it was picked to honor the memory of a well-liked
Fedora developer, but that's what it looks like to me.

Names can be a good thing, but an ill-chosen one can be a PR
nightmare.  I think that the only reason we've not had trouble over
Beefy Miracle is the fact that most people who know anything about
Fedora tend to ignore the names and those who don't mostly know why it
got the name. This time, we got lucky and didn't end up with a metric
butload of bad publicity.  In the future, I think that some of the
more mature devs might want to take a little time to make sure that we
use a little common sense and avoid such names.

YMMV, and if it does, please remember that the above is only my
opinion and you're free to ignore it if you want.

No worries Joe! I feel that we can *all *contribute something to this
great project known as Fedora, so even YOUR opinion counts!...As for
myselfI'd like to see the names go in a more "Start Trek / Star Wars
/ Battlestar Galactica" direction myself..but heyhere's to
hoping!...



I don't give a damn what the devs use for names as long as they are
*not* like Ubuntu. Constipated Chicken. Four legged Duck. Soon to be
dieing fish. Three legged dog.  Etc.

I see the Ubuntu users actually using those names. I have "Constipated
Chicken" installed and CD won't burn!!!  Really? You expect a Linux
install named  "Constipated Chicken"  to burn a CD/DVD!! 

OHG guys. Neat names or cute names but not stupid, embarrassing names.


I think that depends on your own definitions. I do not find Beefy
Miracle neat or cute IMHO.



Bluntly? No insult meant to the devs? Or whomever picked that name.

"Beefy Miracle", IMHO, is the name of the well endowed male actor in a
cheap porno video.


+1

But I'm an old woman and who cares what old women think?

{^_^}
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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 08/11/2012 09:09 PM, David wrote:

On 8/11/2012 8:27 PM, Charlie Kravetz wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 19:47:47 -0400
David  wrote:


On 8/11/2012 7:16 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

On 08/11/2012 04:20 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 08/11/2012 12:41 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

As far as I can see, there's no imminent harm to giving a new release of
an OS a name, if anything it gives it an identity, something to
associate it with, such as when two developers are talking and one says
have you seen the splash screens for "Verne"?with the two of them
BOTH knowing what Fedora 16's "name" is. If someone doesn't think an OS
release shouldn't' be named they can just ignore the name and go ahead
and call it by whatever makes them happy! Remember Linux is all about
"Freedom Of Choice"...whatever you choose to do, (within bounds of
course!) is fine!

I have no problems, personally, in naming releases.  I'm sure it's
much easier for the devs to refer to them by name, especially in
conversation.  And, for some distros, such as Ubuntu, the userbase
tends to use the names, not release number, making the names even more
important.  My objection to the name for F17 is that it sounds
immature, rather as though it had been picked by a thirteen-year-old
boy suffering from testosterone overload for the first time.  Yes, I
understand that it was picked to honor the memory of a well-liked
Fedora developer, but that's what it looks like to me.

Names can be a good thing, but an ill-chosen one can be a PR
nightmare.  I think that the only reason we've not had trouble over
Beefy Miracle is the fact that most people who know anything about
Fedora tend to ignore the names and those who don't mostly know why it
got the name. This time, we got lucky and didn't end up with a metric
butload of bad publicity.  In the future, I think that some of the
more mature devs might want to take a little time to make sure that we
use a little common sense and avoid such names.

YMMV, and if it does, please remember that the above is only my
opinion and you're free to ignore it if you want.

No worries Joe! I feel that we can *all *contribute something to this
great project known as Fedora, so even YOUR opinion counts!...As for
myselfI'd like to see the names go in a more "Start Trek / Star Wars
/ Battlestar Galactica" direction myself..but heyhere's to
hoping!...


I don't give a damn what the devs use for names as long as they are
*not* like Ubuntu. Constipated Chicken. Four legged Duck. Soon to be
dieing fish. Three legged dog.  Etc.

I see the Ubuntu users actually using those names. I have "Constipated
Chicken" installed and CD won't burn!!!  Really? You expect a Linux
install named  "Constipated Chicken"  to burn a CD/DVD!! 

OHG guys. Neat names or cute names but not stupid, embarrassing names.

I think that depends on your own definitions. I do not find Beefy
Miracle neat or cute IMHO.


Bluntly? No insult meant to the devs? Or whomever picked that name.

"Beefy Miracle", IMHO, is the name of the well endowed male actor in a
cheap porno video.

You knowI always went the wat of "The Worlds Biggest Hot 
Dog"."The Worlds Tastiest Burger".or something along those 
linesbut now that you've said THAT...I don't think I can appreciate 
the name anymore without first cringing and then feeling so 
"inadequate"!LoL!


EGO II
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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 08/11/2012 09:06 PM, Carroll Grigsby wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 16:48:34 -0700
Joe Zeff  wrote:


On 08/11/2012 04:16 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

No worries Joe! I feel that we can *all *contribute something to
this great project known as Fedora, so even YOUR opinion
counts!...As for myselfI'd like to see the names go in a more
"Start Trek / Star Wars / Battlestar Galactica" direction
myself..but heyhere's to hoping!...

Actually, I wouldn't think it a bad thing for a release named
Bernhardt. Why?  Because the very first fedora was designed to be
part of costume for Sarah Bernhardt in the play Fedora in 1882 and
started out strictly as a woman's hat.  Later, of course, in the
1920s and 30s, it became popular among politicians and gangsters.  I
doubt very many people would vote for it, but it'd be a neat thing to
suggest.


I can see the rants already: "Bernhardt gives me heart burn." Hell,
I'll use it myself.

-- cmg (who has a dim memory of Red Hat's Kudzu edition)

As in "Kudzu" the COMIC STRIP!?.Fascinating!.LoL!


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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 08/11/2012 07:47 PM, David wrote:

On 8/11/2012 7:16 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

On 08/11/2012 04:20 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 08/11/2012 12:41 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

As far as I can see, there's no imminent harm to giving a new release of
an OS a name, if anything it gives it an identity, something to
associate it with, such as when two developers are talking and one says
have you seen the splash screens for "Verne"?with the two of them
BOTH knowing what Fedora 16's "name" is. If someone doesn't think an OS
release shouldn't' be named they can just ignore the name and go ahead
and call it by whatever makes them happy! Remember Linux is all about
"Freedom Of Choice"...whatever you choose to do, (within bounds of
course!) is fine!

I have no problems, personally, in naming releases.  I'm sure it's
much easier for the devs to refer to them by name, especially in
conversation.  And, for some distros, such as Ubuntu, the userbase
tends to use the names, not release number, making the names even more
important.  My objection to the name for F17 is that it sounds
immature, rather as though it had been picked by a thirteen-year-old
boy suffering from testosterone overload for the first time.  Yes, I
understand that it was picked to honor the memory of a well-liked
Fedora developer, but that's what it looks like to me.

Names can be a good thing, but an ill-chosen one can be a PR
nightmare.  I think that the only reason we've not had trouble over
Beefy Miracle is the fact that most people who know anything about
Fedora tend to ignore the names and those who don't mostly know why it
got the name. This time, we got lucky and didn't end up with a metric
butload of bad publicity.  In the future, I think that some of the
more mature devs might want to take a little time to make sure that we
use a little common sense and avoid such names.

YMMV, and if it does, please remember that the above is only my
opinion and you're free to ignore it if you want.

No worries Joe! I feel that we can *all *contribute something to this
great project known as Fedora, so even YOUR opinion counts!...As for
myselfI'd like to see the names go in a more "Start Trek / Star Wars
/ Battlestar Galactica" direction myself..but heyhere's to
hoping!...


I don't give a damn what the devs use for names as long as they are
*not* like Ubuntu. Constipated Chicken. Four legged Duck. Soon to be
dieing fish. Three legged dog.  Etc.

I see the Ubuntu users actually using those names. I have "Constipated
Chicken" installed and CD won't burn!!!  Really? You expect a Linux
install named  "Constipated Chicken"  to burn a CD/DVD!! 

OHG guys. Neat names or cute names but not stupid, embarrassing names.
I would have to agree about the names for Ubuntu.sometimes it can 
get scarybut I think they have a themethat the first name and 
the last name have to have the same letter?...and there's not a lot of 
things that begin with certain letters...(I mean really 
peopleOneiric Ocelot?.wouldn't 
"only"."ornery"..."outlandish"..."opposing"obligated?.have 
worked too?...LoL!)



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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 08/11/2012 07:48 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 08/11/2012 04:16 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

No worries Joe! I feel that we can *all *contribute something to this
great project known as Fedora, so even YOUR opinion counts!...As for
myselfI'd like to see the names go in a more "Start Trek / Star Wars
/ Battlestar Galactica" direction myself..but heyhere's to
hoping!...


Actually, I wouldn't think it a bad thing for a release named 
Bernhardt.  Why?  Because the very first fedora was designed to be 
part of costume for Sarah Bernhardt in the play Fedora in 1882 and 
started out strictly as a woman's hat.  Later, of course, in the 1920s 
and 30s, it became popular among politicians and gangsters. I doubt 
very many people would vote for it, but it'd be a neat thing to suggest.
I actually like that idea!.not to mention that the two greatest 
"wearers" of fedoras in the mid-thirties was Humphrey Bogart and James 
Cagney.so maybe Bernhardt Humphrey?or Humphrey 
Bernhardt?.Sarah Cagney? James Humphrey? Bogart Berhnardt? 
etc.there's a million different combinations and then when you throw 
in the "greats"?Edward G. Robinson..Greta Garbo.Lauren 
Bacall.Marilyn Monroeetc..etc you could have a whole new genre 
of names for the next 20 releases!...LoL!



EGO II
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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[David]

On 8/11/2012 8:27 PM, Charlie Kravetz wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 19:47:47 -0400
> David  wrote:
> 
>> On 8/11/2012 7:16 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
>>> On 08/11/2012 04:20 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
 On 08/11/2012 12:41 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
> As far as I can see, there's no imminent harm to giving a new release of
> an OS a name, if anything it gives it an identity, something to
> associate it with, such as when two developers are talking and one says
> have you seen the splash screens for "Verne"?with the two of them
> BOTH knowing what Fedora 16's "name" is. If someone doesn't think an OS
> release shouldn't' be named they can just ignore the name and go ahead
> and call it by whatever makes them happy! Remember Linux is all about
> "Freedom Of Choice"...whatever you choose to do, (within bounds of
> course!) is fine!

 I have no problems, personally, in naming releases.  I'm sure it's 
 much easier for the devs to refer to them by name, especially in
 conversation.  And, for some distros, such as Ubuntu, the userbase
 tends to use the names, not release number, making the names even more
 important.  My objection to the name for F17 is that it sounds
 immature, rather as though it had been picked by a thirteen-year-old
 boy suffering from testosterone overload for the first time.  Yes, I
 understand that it was picked to honor the memory of a well-liked
 Fedora developer, but that's what it looks like to me.

 Names can be a good thing, but an ill-chosen one can be a PR
 nightmare.  I think that the only reason we've not had trouble over
 Beefy Miracle is the fact that most people who know anything about
 Fedora tend to ignore the names and those who don't mostly know why it
 got the name. This time, we got lucky and didn't end up with a metric
 butload of bad publicity.  In the future, I think that some of the
 more mature devs might want to take a little time to make sure that we
 use a little common sense and avoid such names.

 YMMV, and if it does, please remember that the above is only my
 opinion and you're free to ignore it if you want.
>>> No worries Joe! I feel that we can *all *contribute something to this
>>> great project known as Fedora, so even YOUR opinion counts!...As for
>>> myselfI'd like to see the names go in a more "Start Trek / Star Wars
>>> / Battlestar Galactica" direction myself..but heyhere's to
>>> hoping!...
>>
>>
>> I don't give a damn what the devs use for names as long as they are
>> *not* like Ubuntu. Constipated Chicken. Four legged Duck. Soon to be
>> dieing fish. Three legged dog.  Etc.
>>
>> I see the Ubuntu users actually using those names. I have "Constipated
>> Chicken" installed and CD won't burn!!!  Really? You expect a Linux
>> install named  "Constipated Chicken"  to burn a CD/DVD!! 
>>
>> OHG guys. Neat names or cute names but not stupid, embarrassing names.
> 
> I think that depends on your own definitions. I do not find Beefy
> Miracle neat or cute IMHO.
> 

Bluntly? No insult meant to the devs? Or whomever picked that name.

"Beefy Miracle", IMHO, is the name of the well endowed male actor in a
cheap porno video.

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Carroll Grigsby]

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 16:48:34 -0700
Joe Zeff  wrote:

> On 08/11/2012 04:16 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
> > No worries Joe! I feel that we can *all *contribute something to
> > this great project known as Fedora, so even YOUR opinion
> > counts!...As for myselfI'd like to see the names go in a more
> > "Start Trek / Star Wars / Battlestar Galactica" direction
> > myself..but heyhere's to hoping!...
> 
> Actually, I wouldn't think it a bad thing for a release named
> Bernhardt. Why?  Because the very first fedora was designed to be
> part of costume for Sarah Bernhardt in the play Fedora in 1882 and
> started out strictly as a woman's hat.  Later, of course, in the
> 1920s and 30s, it became popular among politicians and gangsters.  I
> doubt very many people would vote for it, but it'd be a neat thing to
> suggest.


I can see the rants already: "Bernhardt gives me heart burn." Hell,
I'll use it myself.

-- cmg (who has a dim memory of Red Hat's Kudzu edition)
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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Charlie Kravetz]

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 19:47:47 -0400
David  wrote:

> On 8/11/2012 7:16 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
> > On 08/11/2012 04:20 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> >> On 08/11/2012 12:41 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
> >>> As far as I can see, there's no imminent harm to giving a new release of
> >>> an OS a name, if anything it gives it an identity, something to
> >>> associate it with, such as when two developers are talking and one says
> >>> have you seen the splash screens for "Verne"?with the two of them
> >>> BOTH knowing what Fedora 16's "name" is. If someone doesn't think an OS
> >>> release shouldn't' be named they can just ignore the name and go ahead
> >>> and call it by whatever makes them happy! Remember Linux is all about
> >>> "Freedom Of Choice"...whatever you choose to do, (within bounds of
> >>> course!) is fine!
> >>
> >> I have no problems, personally, in naming releases.  I'm sure it's 
> >> much easier for the devs to refer to them by name, especially in
> >> conversation.  And, for some distros, such as Ubuntu, the userbase
> >> tends to use the names, not release number, making the names even more
> >> important.  My objection to the name for F17 is that it sounds
> >> immature, rather as though it had been picked by a thirteen-year-old
> >> boy suffering from testosterone overload for the first time.  Yes, I
> >> understand that it was picked to honor the memory of a well-liked
> >> Fedora developer, but that's what it looks like to me.
> >>
> >> Names can be a good thing, but an ill-chosen one can be a PR
> >> nightmare.  I think that the only reason we've not had trouble over
> >> Beefy Miracle is the fact that most people who know anything about
> >> Fedora tend to ignore the names and those who don't mostly know why it
> >> got the name. This time, we got lucky and didn't end up with a metric
> >> butload of bad publicity.  In the future, I think that some of the
> >> more mature devs might want to take a little time to make sure that we
> >> use a little common sense and avoid such names.
> >>
> >> YMMV, and if it does, please remember that the above is only my
> >> opinion and you're free to ignore it if you want.
> > No worries Joe! I feel that we can *all *contribute something to this
> > great project known as Fedora, so even YOUR opinion counts!...As for
> > myselfI'd like to see the names go in a more "Start Trek / Star Wars
> > / Battlestar Galactica" direction myself..but heyhere's to
> > hoping!...
> 
> 
> I don't give a damn what the devs use for names as long as they are
> *not* like Ubuntu. Constipated Chicken. Four legged Duck. Soon to be
> dieing fish. Three legged dog.  Etc.
> 
> I see the Ubuntu users actually using those names. I have "Constipated
> Chicken" installed and CD won't burn!!!  Really? You expect a Linux
> install named  "Constipated Chicken"  to burn a CD/DVD!! 
> 
> OHG guys. Neat names or cute names but not stupid, embarrassing names.

I think that depends on your own definitions. I do not find Beefy
Miracle neat or cute IMHO.

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Paul Allen Newell]

On 8/11/2012 4:48 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:


Actually, I wouldn't think it a bad thing for a release named 
Bernhardt.  Why?  Because the very first fedora was designed to be 
part of costume for Sarah Bernhardt in the play Fedora in 1882 and 
started out strictly as a woman's hat.  Later, of course, in the 1920s 
and 30s, it became popular among politicians and gangsters. I doubt 
very many people would vote for it, but it'd be a neat thing to suggest.


I certainly think this makes things clearer when someone writes "my 
Fedora system is acting up"


Thanks for the information,
Paul

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[David]

On 8/11/2012 7:16 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
> On 08/11/2012 04:20 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
>> On 08/11/2012 12:41 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
>>> As far as I can see, there's no imminent harm to giving a new release of
>>> an OS a name, if anything it gives it an identity, something to
>>> associate it with, such as when two developers are talking and one says
>>> have you seen the splash screens for "Verne"?with the two of them
>>> BOTH knowing what Fedora 16's "name" is. If someone doesn't think an OS
>>> release shouldn't' be named they can just ignore the name and go ahead
>>> and call it by whatever makes them happy! Remember Linux is all about
>>> "Freedom Of Choice"...whatever you choose to do, (within bounds of
>>> course!) is fine!
>>
>> I have no problems, personally, in naming releases.  I'm sure it's 
>> much easier for the devs to refer to them by name, especially in
>> conversation.  And, for some distros, such as Ubuntu, the userbase
>> tends to use the names, not release number, making the names even more
>> important.  My objection to the name for F17 is that it sounds
>> immature, rather as though it had been picked by a thirteen-year-old
>> boy suffering from testosterone overload for the first time.  Yes, I
>> understand that it was picked to honor the memory of a well-liked
>> Fedora developer, but that's what it looks like to me.
>>
>> Names can be a good thing, but an ill-chosen one can be a PR
>> nightmare.  I think that the only reason we've not had trouble over
>> Beefy Miracle is the fact that most people who know anything about
>> Fedora tend to ignore the names and those who don't mostly know why it
>> got the name. This time, we got lucky and didn't end up with a metric
>> butload of bad publicity.  In the future, I think that some of the
>> more mature devs might want to take a little time to make sure that we
>> use a little common sense and avoid such names.
>>
>> YMMV, and if it does, please remember that the above is only my
>> opinion and you're free to ignore it if you want.
> No worries Joe! I feel that we can *all *contribute something to this
> great project known as Fedora, so even YOUR opinion counts!...As for
> myselfI'd like to see the names go in a more "Start Trek / Star Wars
> / Battlestar Galactica" direction myself..but heyhere's to
> hoping!...


I don't give a damn what the devs use for names as long as they are
*not* like Ubuntu. Constipated Chicken. Four legged Duck. Soon to be
dieing fish. Three legged dog.  Etc.

I see the Ubuntu users actually using those names. I have "Constipated
Chicken" installed and CD won't burn!!!  Really? You expect a Linux
install named  "Constipated Chicken"  to burn a CD/DVD!! 

OHG guys. Neat names or cute names but not stupid, embarrassing names.
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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Joe Zeff]

On 08/11/2012 04:16 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

No worries Joe! I feel that we can *all *contribute something to this
great project known as Fedora, so even YOUR opinion counts!...As for
myselfI'd like to see the names go in a more "Start Trek / Star Wars
/ Battlestar Galactica" direction myself..but heyhere's to
hoping!...


Actually, I wouldn't think it a bad thing for a release named Bernhardt. 
 Why?  Because the very first fedora was designed to be part of costume 
for Sarah Bernhardt in the play Fedora in 1882 and started out strictly 
as a woman's hat.  Later, of course, in the 1920s and 30s, it became 
popular among politicians and gangsters.  I doubt very many people would 
vote for it, but it'd be a neat thing to suggest.

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 08/11/2012 04:20 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 08/11/2012 12:41 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

As far as I can see, there's no imminent harm to giving a new release of
an OS a name, if anything it gives it an identity, something to
associate it with, such as when two developers are talking and one says
have you seen the splash screens for "Verne"?with the two of them
BOTH knowing what Fedora 16's "name" is. If someone doesn't think an OS
release shouldn't' be named they can just ignore the name and go ahead
and call it by whatever makes them happy! Remember Linux is all about
"Freedom Of Choice"...whatever you choose to do, (within bounds of
course!) is fine!


I have no problems, personally, in naming releases.  I'm sure it's  
much easier for the devs to refer to them by name, especially in 
conversation.  And, for some distros, such as Ubuntu, the userbase 
tends to use the names, not release number, making the names even more 
important.  My objection to the name for F17 is that it sounds 
immature, rather as though it had been picked by a thirteen-year-old 
boy suffering from testosterone overload for the first time.  Yes, I 
understand that it was picked to honor the memory of a well-liked 
Fedora developer, but that's what it looks like to me.


Names can be a good thing, but an ill-chosen one can be a PR 
nightmare.  I think that the only reason we've not had trouble over 
Beefy Miracle is the fact that most people who know anything about 
Fedora tend to ignore the names and those who don't mostly know why it 
got the name. This time, we got lucky and didn't end up with a metric 
butload of bad publicity.  In the future, I think that some of the 
more mature devs might want to take a little time to make sure that we 
use a little common sense and avoid such names.


YMMV, and if it does, please remember that the above is only my 
opinion and you're free to ignore it if you want.
No worries Joe! I feel that we can *all *contribute something to this 
great project known as Fedora, so even YOUR opinion counts!...As for 
myselfI'd like to see the names go in a more "Start Trek / Star Wars 
/ Battlestar Galactica" direction myself..but heyhere's to 
hoping!...



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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[inode0]

On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Joe Zeff  wrote:
> On 08/11/2012 01:35 PM, inode0 wrote:
>>
>> I don't think it was picked to honor anyone, but if you want to know
>> who the immature testosterone overloaded contributor was you can see
>> who nominated the name Beefy Miracle here:
>>
>>
>> https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_16&diff=224955&oldid=224952
>>
>> I think you will be surprised.
>
> If there's anything there to identify the contributor, I didn't see it.  No
> matter.  And, I didn't say that it was suggested by a thirteen-year-old boy,
> but that it sounded like it was.  Big difference.

I know you didn't say it was but I just wanted to point out it was
proposed by someone very savvy about the community and about PR.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mspevack

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Joe Zeff]

On 08/11/2012 01:35 PM, inode0 wrote:

I don't think it was picked to honor anyone, but if you want to know
who the immature testosterone overloaded contributor was you can see
who nominated the name Beefy Miracle here:

https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_16&diff=224955&oldid=224952

I think you will be surprised.


If there's anything there to identify the contributor, I didn't see it. 
 No matter.  And, I didn't say that it was suggested by a 
thirteen-year-old boy, but that it sounded like it was.  Big difference.

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[inode0]

On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Joe Zeff  wrote:
> On 08/11/2012 12:41 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
>>
>> As far as I can see, there's no imminent harm to giving a new release of
>> an OS a name, if anything it gives it an identity, something to
>> associate it with, such as when two developers are talking and one says
>> have you seen the splash screens for "Verne"?with the two of them
>> BOTH knowing what Fedora 16's "name" is. If someone doesn't think an OS
>> release shouldn't' be named they can just ignore the name and go ahead
>> and call it by whatever makes them happy! Remember Linux is all about
>> "Freedom Of Choice"...whatever you choose to do, (within bounds of
>> course!) is fine!
>
>
> I have no problems, personally, in naming releases.  I'm sure it's  much
> easier for the devs to refer to them by name, especially in conversation.
> And, for some distros, such as Ubuntu, the userbase tends to use the names,
> not release number, making the names even more important.  My objection to
> the name for F17 is that it sounds immature, rather as though it had been
> picked by a thirteen-year-old boy suffering from testosterone overload for
> the first time.  Yes, I understand that it was picked to honor the memory of
> a well-liked Fedora developer, but that's what it looks like to me.

I don't think it was picked to honor anyone, but if you want to know
who the immature testosterone overloaded contributor was you can see
who nominated the name Beefy Miracle here:

https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_16&diff=224955&oldid=224952

I think you will be surprised.

> Names can be a good thing, but an ill-chosen one can be a PR nightmare.  I
> think that the only reason we've not had trouble over Beefy Miracle is the
> fact that most people who know anything about Fedora tend to ignore the
> names and those who don't mostly know why it got the name. This time, we got
> lucky and didn't end up with a metric butload of bad publicity.  In the
> future, I think that some of the more mature devs might want to take a
> little time to make sure that we use a little common sense and avoid such
> names.

While I originally felt the way you seem to feel about Beefy Miracle
the facts proved both of us wrong. Those who said it would inject fun
into the community, be good for marketing, and show we have a sense of
humor were right.

John
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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Joe Zeff]

On 08/11/2012 12:41 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

As far as I can see, there's no imminent harm to giving a new release of
an OS a name, if anything it gives it an identity, something to
associate it with, such as when two developers are talking and one says
have you seen the splash screens for "Verne"?with the two of them
BOTH knowing what Fedora 16's "name" is. If someone doesn't think an OS
release shouldn't' be named they can just ignore the name and go ahead
and call it by whatever makes them happy! Remember Linux is all about
"Freedom Of Choice"...whatever you choose to do, (within bounds of
course!) is fine!


I have no problems, personally, in naming releases.  I'm sure it's  much 
easier for the devs to refer to them by name, especially in 
conversation.  And, for some distros, such as Ubuntu, the userbase tends 
to use the names, not release number, making the names even more 
important.  My objection to the name for F17 is that it sounds immature, 
rather as though it had been picked by a thirteen-year-old boy suffering 
from testosterone overload for the first time.  Yes, I understand that 
it was picked to honor the memory of a well-liked Fedora developer, but 
that's what it looks like to me.


Names can be a good thing, but an ill-chosen one can be a PR nightmare. 
 I think that the only reason we've not had trouble over Beefy Miracle 
is the fact that most people who know anything about Fedora tend to 
ignore the names and those who don't mostly know why it got the name. 
This time, we got lucky and didn't end up with a metric butload of bad 
publicity.  In the future, I think that some of the more mature devs 
might want to take a little time to make sure that we use a little 
common sense and avoid such names.


YMMV, and if it does, please remember that the above is only my opinion 
and you're free to ignore it if you want.

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 08/07/2012 07:34 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:

On Tuesday, 7. August 2012. 14.44.32 Tim wrote:

On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 00:48 -0400, Doug wrote:

Well, here's my 2¢: I think naming is dumb, *because* there is no
logical sequence to it--the reader does not know whether the named
version is current, last year's, or 2005's.

The naming is in *addition* to the release number.  There's no technical
problem in giving it a name.  Just, perhaps, a logistical problem if
people keep referring to names that people are unfamiliar with.

Also, giving a name to the particular release of a distro has a
social/emotional character, like giving a name to a newborn child. It is only
natural that developers are emotionally attached to their latest "creation",
and want to give it a name, a form of personal touch.

People do the same thing for servers, CPU's, automobiles, fishing rods, dogs,
cats, hurricanes, etc... It happens all the time, and is a very natural human
behavior.

Folks who dislike giving a name to a distro don't need to participate in the
naming process. As for criticizing the idea, they should first think if they
would be willing to name their newborn son as "Child-25/07/2012-male", or
would they prefer to call him "Frank Jr.". ;-)

HTH, :-)
Marko


As far as I can see, there's no imminent harm to giving a new release of 
an OS a name, if anything it gives it an identity, something to 
associate it with, such as when two developers are talking and one says 
have you seen the splash screens for "Verne"?with the two of them 
BOTH knowing what Fedora 16's "name" is. If someone doesn't think an OS 
release shouldn't' be named they can just ignore the name and go ahead 
and call it by whatever makes them happy! Remember Linux is all about 
"Freedom Of Choice"...whatever you choose to do, (within bounds of 
course!) is fine!



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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Joe Zeff]

On 08/07/2012 11:45 AM, Tim wrote:

I am not a number...   ;-)




(That'll probably go right over the heads of many list members.)


Considering that I referenced it about a month or so ago, I hope not. 
BTW, I don't know why Number 6 objected so much considering his former 
experience:


"They've given you a number,
And taken 'way your name!"

And while we're on the subject, let's not forget Ralph 124C 41+.
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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Tim]

On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 13:34 +0200, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> giving a name to the particular release of a distro has a 
> social/emotional character, like giving a name to a newborn child. It
> is only natural that developers are emotionally attached to their
> latest "creation", and want to give it a name, a form of personal
> touch.

Likewise for the naming of other things, such as naming computers on the
network.  I would put a bit of thought into mine, rather than just
calling it "server."  Windows machines tended to be given hateful names
from mythology.  ;-)  e.g. We called a mail server Pandora, after
Pandora's Box, where all the evil in the world supposedly came from.  It
seemed appropriate at the time, and still does.  And I sent one PC back
to its owner, who was forever killing it, named Lazarus.
> 
> As for criticizing the idea, they should first think if they 
> would be willing to name their newborn son as
> "Child-25/07/2012-male", 

I am not a number...   ;-)




(That'll probably go right over the heads of many list members.)



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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Marko Vojinovic]

On Tuesday, 7. August 2012. 14.44.32 Tim wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 00:48 -0400, Doug wrote:
> > Well, here's my 2¢: I think naming is dumb, *because* there is no
> > logical sequence to it--the reader does not know whether the named
> > version is current, last year's, or 2005's.
> 
> The naming is in *addition* to the release number.  There's no technical
> problem in giving it a name.  Just, perhaps, a logistical problem if
> people keep referring to names that people are unfamiliar with.

Also, giving a name to the particular release of a distro has a 
social/emotional character, like giving a name to a newborn child. It is only 
natural that developers are emotionally attached to their latest "creation", 
and want to give it a name, a form of personal touch.

People do the same thing for servers, CPU's, automobiles, fishing rods, dogs, 
cats, hurricanes, etc... It happens all the time, and is a very natural human 
behavior.

Folks who dislike giving a name to a distro don't need to participate in the 
naming process. As for criticizing the idea, they should first think if they 
would be willing to name their newborn son as "Child-25/07/2012-male", or 
would they prefer to call him "Frank Jr.". ;-)

HTH, :-)
Marko


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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Tim]

On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 00:48 -0400, Doug wrote:
> Well, here's my 2¢: I think naming is dumb, *because* there is no 
> logical sequence to it--the reader does not know whether the named 
> version is current, last year's, or 2005's.

The naming is in *addition* to the release number.  There's no technical
problem in giving it a name.  Just, perhaps, a logistical problem if
people keep referring to names that people are unfamiliar with.

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Doug]

On 08/05/2012 12:32 AM, Richard Vickery wrote:
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 8:11 AM, Andrew Haley > wrote:


On 08/01/2012 12:51 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Am I the only person who thinks that the whole idea should be
dropped?
> I never, ever, heard anyone refer to Fedora-17 as Fedora Beefy
Miracle
> (if that is indeed the right name).

No, you're not the only one.  We discussed this at the time.
We took a vote.  Your side lost.

Andrew.


I kind of like the idea of naming; it says that we're creative. Sure 
there are some conservative types who think that names are not cool; 
these people probably don't think much of Tux either. Then there are 
the creative types, who number just as many, or in our case , more, 
who think that naming the distributions is a better plan than not; and 
we probably work better as a group because of it.


Let's not think of it in terms of winning and losing, but of 
collaboration and support for the betterment of the task at hand - 
making us better as a team.



Well, here's my 2¢: I think naming is dumb, *because* there is no 
logical sequence to it--the reader does not know whether the named 
version is current, last year's, or 2005's.
Even one of the other distros, where the names are selected in 
alphabetical order, like hurricanes, is confusing, since the names are 
so weird and forgettable.  Call me a
stick-in-the-mud--you won't be the first--but I'd much prefer month and 
year for version identifiers, like PCLOS does.  That makes the sequence 
obvious to the most casual

of readers.

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Richard Vickery]

On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 8:11 AM, Andrew Haley  wrote:

> On 08/01/2012 12:51 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> > Am I the only person who thinks that the whole idea should be dropped?
> > I never, ever, heard anyone refer to Fedora-17 as Fedora Beefy Miracle
> > (if that is indeed the right name).
>
> No, you're not the only one.  We discussed this at the time.
> We took a vote.  Your side lost.
>
> Andrew.
>
>
I kind of like the idea of naming; it says that we're creative. Sure there
are some conservative types who think that names are not cool; these people
probably don't think much of Tux either. Then there are the creative types,
who number just as many, or in our case , more, who think that naming the
distributions is a better plan than not; and we probably work better as a
group because of it.

Let's not think of it in terms of winning and losing, but of collaboration
and support for the betterment of the task at hand - making us better as a
team.
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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Andrew Haley]

On 08/01/2012 12:51 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Am I the only person who thinks that the whole idea should be dropped?
> I never, ever, heard anyone refer to Fedora-17 as Fedora Beefy Miracle
> (if that is indeed the right name).

No, you're not the only one.  We discussed this at the time.
We took a vote.  Your side lost.

Andrew.

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[inode0]

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Timothy Murphy  wrote:
> David Boles wrote:
>
>>> The Fedora Board is soliciting ideas for how to name Fedora releases
>>> from community members.  Proposals should be sent to the Advisory
>>> Board list[0][1] no later than 16:00 UTC on 25 July 2012. The
>>> community is invited to discuss the proposals on the Advisory Board list.
>>>
>>> [0] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/advisory-board
>>> [1] advisory-bo...@lists.fedoraproject.org
>
>> My only comment is to *please* don't choose to use really stupid names
>> like Ubuntu uses.
>
> Am I the only person who thinks that the whole idea should be dropped?
> I never, ever, heard anyone refer to Fedora-17 as Fedora Beefy Miracle
> (if that is indeed the right name).
>
> Why not just say, "It seemed like a good idea at the time.
> But it obviously has not caught on.
> Let's forget it."

Who ever said that was the point of a release name? It never really
had a purpose that we can now look back on and say it failed. It is
just a small thing our community has always done for fun. I find it
hard to tell someone else to stop having a little bit of fun even when
I might not personally find it fun and think it has little or no
value. It isn't any skin off my nose so I say let those who find this
fun have their fun.

John
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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Joe Zeff]

On 07/31/2012 04:51 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:

Am I the only person who thinks that the whole idea should be dropped?
I never, ever, heard anyone refer to Fedora-17 as Fedora Beefy Miracle
(if that is indeed the right name).


I've seen a number of people using the code name, both here and on 
fedoraforum.org.  Until F 17, however, the code names were mostly 
ignored and I, for one, would be just as happy if people went back to 
ignoring them, especially when the code names are so juvenile.

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Ed Greshko]

On 08/01/2012 07:51 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Am I the only person who thinks that the whole idea should be dropped?
> I never, ever, heard anyone refer to Fedora-17 as Fedora Beefy Miracle
> (if that is indeed the right name).
>
> Why not just say, "It seemed like a good idea at the time.
> But it obviously has not caught on.
> Let's forget it."

You are not the only one  But, the people that do the actual work to 
produce the releases seem to enjoy the exercise.

I personally don't care and feel it is a waste of time as is discussing changes 
to the process.  But since I'm not part of that group I know my opinion holds 
no weight.

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Timothy Murphy]

David Boles wrote:

>> The Fedora Board is soliciting ideas for how to name Fedora releases
>> from community members.  Proposals should be sent to the Advisory
>> Board list[0][1] no later than 16:00 UTC on 25 July 2012. The
>> community is invited to discuss the proposals on the Advisory Board list.
>>
>> [0] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/advisory-board
>> [1] advisory-bo...@lists.fedoraproject.org

> My only comment is to *please* don't choose to use really stupid names
> like Ubuntu uses.

Am I the only person who thinks that the whole idea should be dropped?
I never, ever, heard anyone refer to Fedora-17 as Fedora Beefy Miracle
(if that is indeed the right name).

Why not just say, "It seemed like a good idea at the time.
But it obviously has not caught on.
Let's forget it."



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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Tim]

On Fri, 2012-07-20 at 10:53 -0500, Steven Stern wrote:
> On the other hand, "Porky Goodness" would be a great name for
> something.
>  Maybe a band, though, and not a Fedora distribution.

Sounds like a trashy porno name...


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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Suvayu Ali]

Can we start trimming the responses to the relevant bits please?

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Frank Murphy]

On 19/07/12 20:06, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 07/19/2012 11:46 AM, David Boles wrote:

My only comment is to*please*  don't choose to use really stupid names
like Ubuntu uses.


You mean like "Beefy Miracle?"  Seriously, I always thought that Fedora
18's code name should be a celebration of Life.


"Whoohoo, have a drink child. You're 18"

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Steven Stern]

On 07/20/2012 02:54 AM, Tim wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-07-20 at 01:00 +0200, Zoltan Hoppar wrote:
>> I think this beefy miracle, and the spherical cow - made an radical
>> step that grabs attention, and everybody wants to know our system.
> 
> There's a difference between piquing interest, and setting yourself up
> for ridicule.  Spherical cow sounds amusing, beefy miracle sounds
> disturbing.  All publicity is NOT good publicity.
> 

On the other hand, "Porky Goodness" would be a great name for something.
 Maybe a band, though, and not a Fedora distribution.

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Andrew Haley]

On 07/20/2012 02:05 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Not sure what this has to do with naming Fedora releases,
> but I very much hope that hibernate is not removed,
> as I use it all the time without problem,
> and find it extremely useful.

Absolutely.  It is extremely useful, and removing it makes us look
pretty stupid when it is manifestly something that Microsoft et al
can do.

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Timothy Murphy]

Rahul Sundaram wrote:

>> I hear that hibernate is
>> no longer supported in latest releases/updates because it has become too
>> complicated to support.I do not know if this is true, but if so, I
>> hope very much that F does not go that route.
> 
> It probably will and has been suggested.  Hibernate is poorly supported
> by upstream and has no maintainer.  It has data corruption bugs (one of
> which I ran into quite recently).  So for data safety, it is better to
> never use it.

Not sure what this has to do with naming Fedora releases,
but I very much hope that hibernate is not removed,
as I use it all the time without problem,
and find it extremely useful.

As far as I can see, the suggestion not to support hibernation
has more or less been dropped:

Contrary to the statement that hibernate is poorly supported,
there seem to have been a large number of people working on the problem,
and there are several claims that it has been resolved.

Also, as far as I can see the only cases of data corruption reported
involved the i915 module,
so it would seem more logical just to warn users of that module
not to hibernate (if the problem has not been resolved, as I believe it 
has).



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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Tim]

On Fri, 2012-07-20 at 01:00 +0200, Zoltan Hoppar wrote:
> I think this beefy miracle, and the spherical cow - made an radical
> step that grabs attention, and everybody wants to know our system.

There's a difference between piquing interest, and setting yourself up
for ridicule.  Spherical cow sounds amusing, beefy miracle sounds
disturbing.  All publicity is NOT good publicity.

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Joe Zeff]

On 07/19/2012 08:46 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:

I vote for using Genesis albums and/or song names. For instance, how
about "Fedora 18: Land of Confusion" (suppose a radical Gnome 4.0
comes along ;-P). Or "Fedora 19: I can't dance". Fedora 20: Invisible
Touch


Over twenty years ago, some SF fans started a new convention, media 
oriented with a strong bias toward Dr. Who.  They named it Gallifrey. 
As many new conventions do, Gallifrey One went deeply into debt, and the 
organizers swore that there'd never be a Gallifrey Two until the debt 
was paid off.


Next year was Gallifrey One, The Sequel.  This was followed by Gallifrey 
One in 3-D, Gallifrey One Goes Fourth and so on.  Gallifrey One is now 
old enough to vote.  (Yes, the debt was paid off long ago.)  I mention 
this to show how easy it can be to be clever when you're naming things. 
 BTW, the complete list is in the Wikipedia article if you're either 
interested or want to see how many of the references you can catch.

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Ranjan Maitra]

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 00:46:41 -0300 Fernando Cassia 
wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Joe Zeff  wrote:
> >  Seriously, I always thought that Fedora 18's code name should be a
> > celebration of Life.
> 
> I vote for using Genesis albums and/or song names. For instance, how
> about "Fedora 18: Land of Confusion" (suppose a radical Gnome 4.0
> comes along ;-P). Or "Fedora 19: I can't dance". Fedora 20: Invisible
> Touch
> 
> :-P
> 
> No, really, why waste any serious time on this, at all?
> Just choose a scheme and stick to it. Cities, animals, whatever.
> FC

Absolutely, but stick to it. Though great names or things (perhaps only
deceased) would be a good one. 

For instance, Higgs being alive, we could use "Boson" -- bet that would
be unique in software land

Ranjan

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Fernando Cassia]

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Joe Zeff  wrote:
>  Seriously, I always thought that Fedora 18's code name should be a
> celebration of Life.

I vote for using Genesis albums and/or song names. For instance, how
about "Fedora 18: Land of Confusion" (suppose a radical Gnome 4.0
comes along ;-P). Or "Fedora 19: I can't dance". Fedora 20: Invisible
Touch

:-P

No, really, why waste any serious time on this, at all?
Just choose a scheme and stick to it. Cities, animals, whatever.
FC
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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I]

On 07/19/2012 09:40 PM, Zoltan Hoppar wrote:

Eddie: Don't be shy, and tell us why you don't like it. Not only just
nay or yay

2012/7/20 Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I :

On 07/19/2012 08:52 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

Agreed! Whatever be it, let us stick to something and not move with the
wind.Nonsensical names like Beefy Miracle and Spherical Cow add to
frivolity and should be discarded at the submission stage.btw,
we should not ignore the orient in the naming too

Btw, unrelated, but Ubuntu (which I have always disliked, except for
their artwork) has degenerated even furtherI hear that hibernate is
no longer supported in latest releases/updates because it has become too
complicated to support.I do not know if this is true, but if so, I
hope very much that F does not go that route.

Ranjan

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:28:53 -0700 Caitlyn O'Hanna 
wrote:


I love the idea of using scientists, explorers, writers (not just
sci-fi), artists...anything really that pushes the boundaries of the
human experience...and not just people, Leonidas was a (or several
really) ship too.

Also, I would have to say that so far my favourite Fedora artwork is
from Verne ;-)


--Caitlyn


On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Ranjan Maitra
 wrote:

I like the idea of naming Fedora releases after scientists. There is
very little closer to the idea of open-source than scientists who have
done quality peer-reviewed work and also been open about their ideas
and shortcomings. Certainly far more than Beefy Miracle or
whatever.

Ranjan

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:43:20 -0400 Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I
 wrote:


On 07/19/2012 03:13 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Joe Zeff  wrote:

I always thought that Fedora 18's code name should be a celebration
of Life.

Fedora 18 Tent Pole

celebrating life outdoors

FC

Or you could go with a type of "code" that only really die-hard Fedora
Fans might figure out..like since "B & M" have both been used for
17..(B-eefy M-iracle)..maybe move the two letters over to the right by
one and you now have "C & N"so then you choose names with those
letters,.and when 19 comes around you'd use the "D" and the "O" to
name that version and with 20 it'd be "E" and "P"(C-olossal
N-utrino
perhaps for this next version?...)


EGO II


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Reading all the other posts and responses to this I'd have to also
agree,...that naming should definitely tip it's hat to the scientific
community, and all their triumphs, and various achievements. From historical
figures, through to modern day innovators. Well thenwhat name shall we
give the next version of Fedora?Sigmund "Newton"?."Galileo"
Pasteur?LoL! Fire away!



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What do you mean? Don't be shy?.LoL! I've never been accused of THAT 
one!



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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Zoltan Hoppar]

Eddie: Don't be shy, and tell us why you don't like it. Not only just
nay or yay

2012/7/20 Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I :
>
> On 07/19/2012 08:52 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
>>
>> Agreed! Whatever be it, let us stick to something and not move with the
>> wind.Nonsensical names like Beefy Miracle and Spherical Cow add to
>> frivolity and should be discarded at the submission stage.btw,
>> we should not ignore the orient in the naming too
>>
>> Btw, unrelated, but Ubuntu (which I have always disliked, except for
>> their artwork) has degenerated even furtherI hear that hibernate is
>> no longer supported in latest releases/updates because it has become too
>> complicated to support.I do not know if this is true, but if so, I
>> hope very much that F does not go that route.
>>
>> Ranjan
>>
>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:28:53 -0700 Caitlyn O'Hanna 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I love the idea of using scientists, explorers, writers (not just
>>> sci-fi), artists...anything really that pushes the boundaries of the
>>> human experience...and not just people, Leonidas was a (or several
>>> really) ship too.
>>>
>>> Also, I would have to say that so far my favourite Fedora artwork is
>>> from Verne ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>> --Caitlyn
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Ranjan Maitra
>>>  wrote:

 I like the idea of naming Fedora releases after scientists. There is
 very little closer to the idea of open-source than scientists who have
 done quality peer-reviewed work and also been open about their ideas
 and shortcomings. Certainly far more than Beefy Miracle or
 whatever.

 Ranjan

 On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:43:20 -0400 Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I
  wrote:

> On 07/19/2012 03:13 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Joe Zeff  wrote:
>>>
>>> I always thought that Fedora 18's code name should be a celebration
>>> of Life.
>>
>> Fedora 18 Tent Pole
>>
>> celebrating life outdoors
>>
>> FC
>
> Or you could go with a type of "code" that only really die-hard Fedora
> Fans might figure out..like since "B & M" have both been used for
> 17..(B-eefy M-iracle)..maybe move the two letters over to the right by
> one and you now have "C & N"so then you choose names with those
> letters,.and when 19 comes around you'd use the "D" and the "O" to
> name that version and with 20 it'd be "E" and "P"(C-olossal
> N-utrino
> perhaps for this next version?...)
>
>
> EGO II
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>
> Reading all the other posts and responses to this I'd have to also
> agree,...that naming should definitely tip it's hat to the scientific
> community, and all their triumphs, and various achievements. From historical
> figures, through to modern day innovators. Well thenwhat name shall we
> give the next version of Fedora?Sigmund "Newton"?."Galileo"
> Pasteur?LoL! Fire away!
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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 07/20/2012 06:22 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

> Btw, unrelated, but Ubuntu (which I have always disliked, except for
> their artwork) has degenerated even furtherI hear that hibernate is
> no longer supported in latest releases/updates because it has become too
> complicated to support.I do not know if this is true, but if so, I
> hope very much that F does not go that route.

It probably will and has been suggested.  Hibernate is poorly supported
by upstream and has no maintainer.  It has data corruption bugs (one of
which I ran into quite recently).  So for data safety, it is better to
never use it.

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I]

On 07/19/2012 08:52 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

Agreed! Whatever be it, let us stick to something and not move with the
wind.Nonsensical names like Beefy Miracle and Spherical Cow add to
frivolity and should be discarded at the submission stage.btw,
we should not ignore the orient in the naming too

Btw, unrelated, but Ubuntu (which I have always disliked, except for
their artwork) has degenerated even furtherI hear that hibernate is
no longer supported in latest releases/updates because it has become too
complicated to support.I do not know if this is true, but if so, I
hope very much that F does not go that route.

Ranjan

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:28:53 -0700 Caitlyn O'Hanna 
wrote:


I love the idea of using scientists, explorers, writers (not just
sci-fi), artists...anything really that pushes the boundaries of the
human experience...and not just people, Leonidas was a (or several
really) ship too.

Also, I would have to say that so far my favourite Fedora artwork is
from Verne ;-)


--Caitlyn


On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Ranjan Maitra
 wrote:

I like the idea of naming Fedora releases after scientists. There is
very little closer to the idea of open-source than scientists who have
done quality peer-reviewed work and also been open about their ideas
and shortcomings. Certainly far more than Beefy Miracle or
whatever.

Ranjan

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:43:20 -0400 Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I
 wrote:


On 07/19/2012 03:13 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Joe Zeff  wrote:

I always thought that Fedora 18's code name should be a celebration of Life.

Fedora 18 Tent Pole

celebrating life outdoors

FC

Or you could go with a type of "code" that only really die-hard Fedora
Fans might figure out..like since "B & M" have both been used for
17..(B-eefy M-iracle)..maybe move the two letters over to the right by
one and you now have "C & N"so then you choose names with those
letters,.and when 19 comes around you'd use the "D" and the "O" to
name that version and with 20 it'd be "E" and "P"(C-olossal N-utrino
perhaps for this next version?...)


EGO II


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Reading all the other posts and responses to this I'd have to also 
agree,...that naming should definitely tip it's hat to the scientific 
community, and all their triumphs, and various achievements. From 
historical figures, through to modern day innovators. Well thenwhat 
name shall we give the next version of Fedora?Sigmund 
"Newton"?."Galileo" Pasteur?LoL! Fire away!



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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Ranjan Maitra]

Agreed! Whatever be it, let us stick to something and not move with the
wind.Nonsensical names like Beefy Miracle and Spherical Cow add to
frivolity and should be discarded at the submission stage.btw,
we should not ignore the orient in the naming too

Btw, unrelated, but Ubuntu (which I have always disliked, except for
their artwork) has degenerated even furtherI hear that hibernate is
no longer supported in latest releases/updates because it has become too
complicated to support.I do not know if this is true, but if so, I
hope very much that F does not go that route.

Ranjan

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:28:53 -0700 Caitlyn O'Hanna 
wrote:

> I love the idea of using scientists, explorers, writers (not just
> sci-fi), artists...anything really that pushes the boundaries of the
> human experience...and not just people, Leonidas was a (or several
> really) ship too.
> 
> Also, I would have to say that so far my favourite Fedora artwork is
> from Verne ;-)
> 
> 
> --Caitlyn
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Ranjan Maitra
>  wrote:
> > I like the idea of naming Fedora releases after scientists. There is
> > very little closer to the idea of open-source than scientists who have
> > done quality peer-reviewed work and also been open about their ideas
> > and shortcomings. Certainly far more than Beefy Miracle or
> > whatever.
> >
> > Ranjan
> >
> > On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:43:20 -0400 Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I
> >  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On 07/19/2012 03:13 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> >> > On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Joe Zeff  wrote:
> >> >> I always thought that Fedora 18's code name should be a celebration of 
> >> >> Life.
> >> > Fedora 18 Tent Pole
> >> >
> >> > celebrating life outdoors
> >> >
> >> > FC
> >>
> >> Or you could go with a type of "code" that only really die-hard Fedora
> >> Fans might figure out..like since "B & M" have both been used for
> >> 17..(B-eefy M-iracle)..maybe move the two letters over to the right by
> >> one and you now have "C & N"so then you choose names with those
> >> letters,.and when 19 comes around you'd use the "D" and the "O" to
> >> name that version and with 20 it'd be "E" and "P"(C-olossal N-utrino
> >> perhaps for this next version?...)
> >>
> >>
> >> EGO II
> >>
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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Zoltan Hoppar]

I think with naming we should build marketing-concept art-creativity
to the top of it, and after all we are an bleeding edge distro - we
should use famous scientists, explorers, writers, inventors. Without
those people we could be less onour world, and they are tried - made
it. We can represent big respect before them, no matter they are still
alive or not. If one of them is alive, would be interesting to make an
talk, an invite them to have their message to our users and lot
more.

Zoltan

2012/7/20 Caitlyn O'Hanna :
> I love the idea of using scientists, explorers, writers (not just
> sci-fi), artists...anything really that pushes the boundaries of the
> human experience...and not just people, Leonidas was a (or several
> really) ship too.
>
> Also, I would have to say that so far my favourite Fedora artwork is
> from Verne ;-)
>
>
> --Caitlyn
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Ranjan Maitra
>  wrote:
>> I like the idea of naming Fedora releases after scientists. There is
>> very little closer to the idea of open-source than scientists who have
>> done quality peer-reviewed work and also been open about their ideas
>> and shortcomings. Certainly far more than Beefy Miracle or
>> whatever.
>>
>> Ranjan
>>
>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:43:20 -0400 Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 07/19/2012 03:13 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
>>> > On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Joe Zeff  wrote:
>>> >> I always thought that Fedora 18's code name should be a celebration of 
>>> >> Life.
>>> > Fedora 18 Tent Pole
>>> >
>>> > celebrating life outdoors
>>> >
>>> > FC
>>>
>>> Or you could go with a type of "code" that only really die-hard Fedora
>>> Fans might figure out..like since "B & M" have both been used for
>>> 17..(B-eefy M-iracle)..maybe move the two letters over to the right by
>>> one and you now have "C & N"so then you choose names with those
>>> letters,.and when 19 comes around you'd use the "D" and the "O" to
>>> name that version and with 20 it'd be "E" and "P"(C-olossal N-utrino
>>> perhaps for this next version?...)
>>>
>>>
>>> EGO II
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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Caitlyn O'Hanna]

I love the idea of using scientists, explorers, writers (not just
sci-fi), artists...anything really that pushes the boundaries of the
human experience...and not just people, Leonidas was a (or several
really) ship too.

Also, I would have to say that so far my favourite Fedora artwork is
from Verne ;-)


--Caitlyn


On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Ranjan Maitra
 wrote:
> I like the idea of naming Fedora releases after scientists. There is
> very little closer to the idea of open-source than scientists who have
> done quality peer-reviewed work and also been open about their ideas
> and shortcomings. Certainly far more than Beefy Miracle or
> whatever.
>
> Ranjan
>
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:43:20 -0400 Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I
>  wrote:
>
>>
>> On 07/19/2012 03:13 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
>> > On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Joe Zeff  wrote:
>> >> I always thought that Fedora 18's code name should be a celebration of 
>> >> Life.
>> > Fedora 18 Tent Pole
>> >
>> > celebrating life outdoors
>> >
>> > FC
>>
>> Or you could go with a type of "code" that only really die-hard Fedora
>> Fans might figure out..like since "B & M" have both been used for
>> 17..(B-eefy M-iracle)..maybe move the two letters over to the right by
>> one and you now have "C & N"so then you choose names with those
>> letters,.and when 19 comes around you'd use the "D" and the "O" to
>> name that version and with 20 it'd be "E" and "P"(C-olossal N-utrino
>> perhaps for this next version?...)
>>
>>
>> EGO II
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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Ranjan Maitra]

I like the idea of naming Fedora releases after scientists. There is
very little closer to the idea of open-source than scientists who have
done quality peer-reviewed work and also been open about their ideas
and shortcomings. Certainly far more than Beefy Miracle or
whatever. 

Ranjan

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:43:20 -0400 Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I
 wrote:

> 
> On 07/19/2012 03:13 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Joe Zeff  wrote:
> >> I always thought that Fedora 18's code name should be a celebration of 
> >> Life.
> > Fedora 18 Tent Pole
> >
> > celebrating life outdoors
> >
> > FC
> 
> Or you could go with a type of "code" that only really die-hard Fedora 
> Fans might figure out..like since "B & M" have both been used for 
> 17..(B-eefy M-iracle)..maybe move the two letters over to the right by 
> one and you now have "C & N"so then you choose names with those 
> letters,.and when 19 comes around you'd use the "D" and the "O" to 
> name that version and with 20 it'd be "E" and "P"(C-olossal N-utrino 
> perhaps for this next version?...)
> 
> 
> EGO II
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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I]

On 07/19/2012 03:13 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Joe Zeff  wrote:

I always thought that Fedora 18's code name should be a celebration of Life.

Fedora 18 Tent Pole

celebrating life outdoors

FC


Or you could go with a type of "code" that only really die-hard Fedora 
Fans might figure out..like since "B & M" have both been used for 
17..(B-eefy M-iracle)..maybe move the two letters over to the right by 
one and you now have "C & N"so then you choose names with those 
letters,.and when 19 comes around you'd use the "D" and the "O" to 
name that version and with 20 it'd be "E" and "P"(C-olossal N-utrino 
perhaps for this next version?...)



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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Zoltan Hoppar]

I think this beefy miracle, and the spherical cow - made an radical
step that grabs attention, and everybody wants to know our system. I
think we can simply use discoverers, scientists to respect before them
- and they are reachable all over in many themes. What do you think?

2012/7/20 Caitlyn O'Hanna :
> As "suit-and-tie" as some may view it, I'd rather have "$distro
> $relver" than "$distro $relver
> $somestupidname-yes-im-talking-to-you-beefy-miracle"
>
> What happened to the days of having names like Leonidas and Verne?
> Maybe include in the rules that it needs to be slightly more relevant
> than "beey miracle" or "chicken vindaloo"?
>
>
> --Caitlyn
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:29 AM, DJ Delorie  wrote:
>>
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>> general population cannot follow.  I am thus posting to the users@
>> list, where this original request was sent.
>>
>>
>> My only request is to avoid names that sound like themes from other
>> distros.  Any scheme we choose needs to be different enough to stand
>> on its own.
>>
>> For example, any "$adjective $noun" name is going to make people think
>> of Ubuntu, and any "$distro $name" is going to sound like Debian.  The
>> previous "Fedora $release $is-a-noun" scheme was "our way" and IMHO we
>> should return to that.
>>
>> Removing the code name completely seems to me like a step in the
>> suit-and-tie direction and I would hate to see our project go that
>> path.
>>
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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Caitlyn O'Hanna]

As "suit-and-tie" as some may view it, I'd rather have "$distro
$relver" than "$distro $relver
$somestupidname-yes-im-talking-to-you-beefy-miracle"

What happened to the days of having names like Leonidas and Verne?
Maybe include in the rules that it needs to be slightly more relevant
than "beey miracle" or "chicken vindaloo"?


--Caitlyn

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> list, where this original request was sent.
>
>
> My only request is to avoid names that sound like themes from other
> distros.  Any scheme we choose needs to be different enough to stand
> on its own.
>
> For example, any "$adjective $noun" name is going to make people think
> of Ubuntu, and any "$distro $name" is going to sound like Debian.  The
> previous "Fedora $release $is-a-noun" scheme was "our way" and IMHO we
> should return to that.
>
> Removing the code name completely seems to me like a step in the
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> path.
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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Joe Zeff]

On 07/19/2012 12:09 PM, Don Levey wrote:

On 7/19/2012 15:06, Joe Zeff wrote:


You mean like "Beefy Miracle?"  Seriously, I always thought that Fedora
18's code name should be a celebration of Life.  Two brownie points to
the first person to figure out why.


You mean apart from the "18 = Chai (Hebrew) = Life (English)" thing?
  -Don



Give yourself two brownie points.  I've mentioned this at least once 
before, if not twice, and you're the first person to pick up on it.

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Fernando Cassia]

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Joe Zeff  wrote:
> I always thought that Fedora 18's code name should be a celebration of Life.

Fedora 18 Tent Pole

celebrating life outdoors

FC
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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Don Levey]

On 7/19/2012 15:06, Joe Zeff wrote:
>
> You mean like "Beefy Miracle?"  Seriously, I always thought that Fedora
> 18's code name should be a celebration of Life.  Two brownie points to
> the first person to figure out why.

You mean apart from the "18 = Chai (Hebrew) = Life (English)" thing?
 -Don
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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Joe Zeff]

On 07/19/2012 11:46 AM, David Boles wrote:

My only comment is to*please*  don't choose to use really stupid names
like Ubuntu uses.


You mean like "Beefy Miracle?"  Seriously, I always thought that Fedora 
18's code name should be a celebration of Life.  Two brownie points to 
the first person to figure out why.

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:29:29 -0400
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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[David Boles]

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Eric Christensen
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> The Fedora Board is soliciting ideas for how to name Fedora releases
> from community members.  Proposals should be sent to the Advisory
> Board list[0][1] no later than 16:00 UTC on 25 July 2012. The
> community is invited to discuss the proposals on the Advisory Board list.
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> Thanks,
> Eric "Sparks"
> Fedora Board Member


My only comment is to *please* don't choose to use really stupid names
like Ubuntu uses.
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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[DJ Delorie]

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Please do not give instructions to the general population, that the
general population cannot follow.  I am thus posting to the users@
list, where this original request was sent.


My only request is to avoid names that sound like themes from other
distros.  Any scheme we choose needs to be different enough to stand
on its own.

For example, any "$adjective $noun" name is going to make people think
of Ubuntu, and any "$distro $name" is going to sound like Debian.  The
previous "Fedora $release $is-a-noun" scheme was "our way" and IMHO we
should return to that.

Removing the code name completely seems to me like a step in the
suit-and-tie direction and I would hate to see our project go that
path.

DJ Delorie
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