Questions about Fedora 14 Workstation

2014-12-09 Thread Jeffrey Needle
Just downloaded the .iso and installed it on my desktop.  Really nice!

The repositories seem to be a bit limited, though.  No Chrome or
Chromium, but I've installed it directly from Google's download page.
And I need the program gpart in order to attempt a data rescue on an
external drive.  Not in the repositories, either.  Can someone point me
to a repo I can add so that gpart is available?  Thanks.

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Re: Questions about Fedora 14 Workstation

2014-12-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 10:42:48AM -0800, Jeffrey Needle wrote:
 The repositories seem to be a bit limited, though.  No Chrome or
 Chromium, but I've installed it directly from Google's download page.


Chrome isn't open source, and Chromium is a difficult case. See
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Chromium

 And I need the program gpart in order to attempt a data rescue on an
 external drive.  Not in the repositories, either.  Can someone point me
 to a repo I can add so that gpart is available?  Thanks.

sudo dnf install gpart

from the command line should do it — it's in the standard repositories.
How are you looking? (It will not show up in the Software center, as
that is focused on GUI applications.)


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Re: Questions about Fedora 14 Workstation

2014-12-09 Thread Bill Oliver

On Tue, 9 Dec 2014, Jeffrey Needle wrote:


Just downloaded the .iso and installed it on my desktop.  Really nice!

The repositories seem to be a bit limited, though.  No Chrome or Chromium, but 
I've installed it directly from Google's download page.  And I need the program
gpart in order to attempt a data rescue on an external drive.  Not in the 
repositories, either.  Can someone point me to a repo I can add so that gpart is
available?  Thanks.



So you really mean Fedora 14?  I don't think that's supported, though I
may be wrong.  I'd suggest installing a supported version -- 20 or 21,
for instance.

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Re: Questions about Fedora 14 Workstation

2014-12-09 Thread Jeffrey Needle
On Tue, 2014-12-09 at 13:50 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:

 On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 10:42:48AM -0800, Jeffrey Needle wrote:
  The repositories seem to be a bit limited, though.  No Chrome or
  Chromium, but I've installed it directly from Google's download page.
 
 
 Chrome isn't open source, and Chromium is a difficult case. See
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Chromium
 
  And I need the program gpart in order to attempt a data rescue on an
  external drive.  Not in the repositories, either.  Can someone point me
  to a repo I can add so that gpart is available?  Thanks.
 
 sudo dnf install gpart
 
 from the command line should do it — it's in the standard repositories.
 How are you looking? (It will not show up in the Software center, as
 that is focused on GUI applications.)
 
 
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Splendid -- worked wonderfully.  Got Wine, too!

So, how do I discover what's in the standard repositories?  Yes, I used
Software Center, thinking everything would be there.

I do appreciate the help!

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Re: Questions about Fedora 14 Workstation

2014-12-09 Thread Jeffrey Needle
On Tue, 2014-12-09 at 18:55 +, Bill Oliver wrote:
 On Tue, 9 Dec 2014, Jeffrey Needle wrote:
 
  Just downloaded the .iso and installed it on my desktop.  Really nice!
  
  The repositories seem to be a bit limited, though.  No Chrome or Chromium, 
  but I've installed it directly from Google's download page.  And I need the 
  program
  gpart in order to attempt a data rescue on an external drive.  Not in the 
  repositories, either.  Can someone point me to a repo I can add so that 
  gpart is
  available?  Thanks.
 
 
 So you really mean Fedora 14?  I don't think that's supported, though I
 may be wrong.  I'd suggest installing a supported version -- 20 or 21,
 for instance.
 
 billo
 
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Oops, my bad.  I do have 21.  And it's just lovely!  Thanks for it.

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Re: Questions about Fedora 14 Workstation

2014-12-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 11:07:11AM -0800, Jeffrey Needle wrote:
 So, how do I discover what's in the standard repositories?  Yes, I used
 Software Center, thinking everything would be there.

There's been some debate around this. The idea is that the Software
Center is focused on showing the most polished GUI apps, and that more
advanced users (who among other things understand the difference
between an app and a package) can use dnf from the command line (or
another GUI like yumex).



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Re: Questions about Fedora 14 Workstation

2014-12-09 Thread Jeffrey Needle
On Tue, 2014-12-09 at 14:58 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:

 On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 11:07:11AM -0800, Jeffrey Needle wrote:
  So, how do I discover what's in the standard repositories?  Yes, I used
  Software Center, thinking everything would be there.
 
 There's been some debate around this. The idea is that the Software
 Center is focused on showing the most polished GUI apps, and that more
 advanced users (who among other things understand the difference
 between an app and a package) can use dnf from the command line (or
 another GUI like yumex).
 
 
 
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Well, after posting, I thought I'd try to install synaptic, to give me
greater access.  And indeed, the apps I was looking for were there.  All
except xscreensaver.  I still had to use the command line to install it.
Worked fine.

My vote: some ability to install whatever is available in the
repositories, without having to jump all over the place to find stuff.

Many thanks!

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Re: Questions about Fedora 14 Workstation

2014-12-09 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Jeffrey Needle  wrote:

  My vote: some ability to install whatever is available in the
 repositories, without having to jump all over the place to find stuff.


Either command line or yumex for a graphical interface can help with that

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Re: Questions about Fedora 14 Workstation

2014-12-09 Thread Joe Zeff

On 12/09/2014 12:25 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Jeffrey Needle  wrote:

__
My vote: some ability to install whatever is available in the
repositories, without having to jump all over the place to find stuff.


Either command line or yumex for a graphical interface can help with that


Excuse me, but last time I looked (about an hour ago) yumex *was* a 
graphical interface.

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Re: Questions about Fedora 14 Workstation

2014-12-09 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2014-12-09 at 18:55 +, Bill Oliver wrote:
 So you really mean Fedora 14?  I don't think that's supported, though
 I may be wrong.

Nothing earlier than F19 is supported, and in a month or so F19 won't be
either, judging from historical practice.

poc

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Re: Questions about Fedora 14 Workstation

2014-12-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 08:46:17PM +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
  So you really mean Fedora 14?  I don't think that's supported, though
  I may be wrong.
 Nothing earlier than F19 is supported, and in a month or so F19 won't be
 either, judging from historical practice.

Judging from policy. :)
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Release_Life_Cycle#Maintenance_Schedule

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Re: Questions about Fedora 14 Workstation

2014-12-09 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

 On 12/09/2014 12:25 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:

 On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Jeffrey Needle  wrote:

 __
 My vote: some ability to install whatever is available in the
 repositories, without having to jump all over the place to find stuff.


 Either command line or yumex for a graphical interface can help with that


 Excuse me, but last time I looked (about an hour ago) yumex *was* a
 graphical interface.


And?  What is your point?

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Re: Questions about Fedora 14 Workstation

2014-12-09 Thread Jeffrey Needle
On Tue, 2014-12-09 at 20:46 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

 On Tue, 2014-12-09 at 18:55 +, Bill Oliver wrote:
  So you really mean Fedora 14?  I don't think that's supported, though
  I may be wrong.
 
 Nothing earlier than F19 is supported, and in a month or so F19 won't be
 either, judging from historical practice.
 
 poc
 


Yup.  My stupid fingers.  I'm actually using Fedora 21.

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Re: Questions about Fedora 14 Workstation

2014-12-09 Thread Jeffrey Needle
On Tue, 2014-12-09 at 15:25 -0500, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
 
 
 Hi
 
 
 On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Jeffrey Needle  wrote:
 
 My vote: some ability to install whatever is available in the
 repositories, without having to jump all over the place to
 find stuff.
 
 
 Either command line or yumex for a graphical interface can help with
 that
 
 
 Rahul 


Added to my favorites -- thanks!

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Re: Questions about Fedora 14 Workstation

2014-12-09 Thread Ian Malone
On 9 December 2014 at 22:46, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi

 On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

 On 12/09/2014 12:25 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:

 On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Jeffrey Needle  wrote:

 __
 My vote: some ability to install whatever is available in the
 repositories, without having to jump all over the place to find
 stuff.


 Either command line or yumex for a graphical interface can help with that


 Excuse me, but last time I looked (about an hour ago) yumex *was* a
 graphical interface.


 And?  What is your point?


This is just a guess, but looks like Joe thought you were suggesting
using yumex to search for a graphical interface.


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Re: Questions about Fedora 14 Workstation

2014-12-09 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Ian Malone  wrote:


 This is just a guess, but looks like Joe thought you were suggesting
 using yumex to search for a graphical interface


Ah, I see.  I was suggesting that the user either use the command line (ie)
dnf or yum directly or use yumex if the user prefers a graphical interface.

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Re: Questions about Fedora 14 Workstation

2014-12-09 Thread Joe Zeff

On 12/09/2014 02:57 PM, Ian Malone wrote:

This is just a guess, but looks like Joe thought you were suggesting
using yumex to search for a graphical interface.


No, I misread what he wrote and thought he was saying that yumex wasn't 
a GUI.

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Re: Questions about Fedora 14 Workstation

2014-12-09 Thread poma
On 10.12.2014 00:47, Joe Zeff wrote:
 On 12/09/2014 02:57 PM, Ian Malone wrote:
 This is just a guess, but looks like Joe thought you were suggesting
 using yumex to search for a graphical interface.
 
 No, I misread what he wrote and thought he was saying that yumex wasn't 
 a GUI.
 

GUI is more complex term.


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Re: Questions about Fedora 14 Workstation

2014-12-09 Thread poma
On 09.12.2014 23:49, Jeffrey Needle wrote:
 On Tue, 2014-12-09 at 15:25 -0500, Rahul Sundaram wrote:


 Hi


 On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Jeffrey Needle  wrote:

 My vote: some ability to install whatever is available in the
 repositories, without having to jump all over the place to
 find stuff.


 Either command line or yumex for a graphical interface can help with
 that


 Rahul 
 
 
 Added to my favorites -- thanks!
 

Since when you started using Fedora?


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Re: Questions about Fedora 14 Workstation

2014-12-09 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2014-12-09 at 14:50 -0800, Jeffrey Needle wrote:
 On Tue, 2014-12-09 at 20:46 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
 
  On Tue, 2014-12-09 at 18:55 +, Bill Oliver wrote:
   So you really mean Fedora 14?  I don't think that's supported, though
   I may be wrong.
  
  Nothing earlier than F19 is supported, and in a month or so F19 won't be
  either, judging from historical practice.
  
  poc
  
 
 
 Yup.  My stupid fingers.  I'm actually using Fedora 21.

Yes, I saw your earlier clarification. I was just reassuring Bill that
he wasn't wrong.

poc

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Re: Questions about Fedora 14 Workstation

2014-12-09 Thread Jeffrey Needle
On Tue, 2014-12-09 at 22:57 +, Ian Malone wrote:

 On 9 December 2014 at 22:46, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi
 
  On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
 
  On 12/09/2014 12:25 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
 
  On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Jeffrey Needle  wrote:
 
  __
  My vote: some ability to install whatever is available in the
  repositories, without having to jump all over the place to find
  stuff.
 
 
  Either command line or yumex for a graphical interface can help with that
 
 
  Excuse me, but last time I looked (about an hour ago) yumex *was* a
  graphical interface.
 
 
  And?  What is your point?
 
 
 This is just a guess, but looks like Joe thought you were suggesting
 using yumex to search for a graphical interface.
 
 
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Not the way I took it.  I installed it, thinking it was a graphical
interface for yum.

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Re: Questions about Fedora 14 Workstation

2014-12-09 Thread Jeffrey Needle
On Wed, 2014-12-10 at 00:58 +0100, poma wrote:

 On 09.12.2014 23:49, Jeffrey Needle wrote:
  On Tue, 2014-12-09 at 15:25 -0500, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
 
 
  Hi
 
 
  On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Jeffrey Needle  wrote:
 
  My vote: some ability to install whatever is available in the
  repositories, without having to jump all over the place to
  find stuff.
 
 
  Either command line or yumex for a graphical interface can help with
  that
 
 
  Rahul 
  
  
  Added to my favorites -- thanks!
  
 
 Since when you started using Fedora?
 
 

I've looked at it before, but just switched to it as my full-time distro
today (Tuesday).

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Re: Questions about Fedora 14 Workstation

2014-12-09 Thread Joe Zeff

On 12/09/2014 07:36 PM, Jeffrey Needle wrote:


Not the way I took it.  I installed it, thinking it was a graphical
interface for yum.


It is a graphical interface for yum, but I gather that when dnf is 
ready, yumex will use it instead.  I don't think that it can do 
everything that yum does, such as complete transactions, but it does 
make pretty much everything a non-tech user needs.

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Re: Questions about Fedora 14 Workstation

2014-12-09 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Joe Zeff  wrote:

 On 12/09/2014 07:36 PM, Jeffrey Needle wrote:


 Not the way I took it.  I installed it, thinking it was a graphical
 interface for yum.


 It is a graphical interface for yum, but I gather that when dnf is ready,
 yumex will use it instead.


FYI,  yumex can already use dnf

https://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/timlau/yumex-dnf/

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Re: Questions about Fedora 14 Workstation

2014-12-09 Thread poma
On 10.12.2014 04:37, Jeffrey Needle wrote:
 On Wed, 2014-12-10 at 00:58 +0100, poma wrote:
 
 On 09.12.2014 23:49, Jeffrey Needle wrote:
 On Tue, 2014-12-09 at 15:25 -0500, Rahul Sundaram wrote:


 Hi


 On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Jeffrey Needle  wrote:

 My vote: some ability to install whatever is available in the
 repositories, without having to jump all over the place to
 find stuff.


 Either command line or yumex for a graphical interface can help with
 that


 Rahul 


 Added to my favorites -- thanks!


 Since when you started using Fedora?


 
 I've looked at it before, but just switched to it as my full-time distro
 today (Tuesday).
 

So marketing has done its job. :)


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