Re: fedora 23 bluetooth connection

[Jon LaBadie]

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 01:33:00AM -0400, Jon LaBadie wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 11:57:24PM +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Tue, 2016-07-26 at 05:55 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> > > 
> > > On 07/26/16 02:49, Roger Wells wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Something changed (although not fatally):
> > > > I use Bluetooth speakers quite often.
> > > > Back in F22 or so after pairing the device merely turning it on caused
> > > > Fedora to connect to it.
> > > > Several months ago, now on F23,  (not sure when this problem appeared)
> > > > that changed and after turning the speaker on, I have to go into
> > > > Bluetooth Settings where the device appears as "Disconnected", select it
> > > > and activate the "Connection" switch several times and it will
> > > > eventually connect and be available for selection in the "Sound
> > > > Settings" after which it works fine.
> > > > Is there a path back? 
> > > > 
> > > > The setup is up to date Fedora 23 using Gnome 3.18.1-1.fc23.x86_64
> > > > TIA,
> > > 
> > > I use F24, a Bluetooth headset, and KDE.  The GUI may be different but I 
> > > think gnome
> > > should have similar settings.
> > > 
> > > On my settings for the headset I have "trusted" checked.  Then there is 
> > > another "tab"
> > > called "Advanced Settings".  There is a drop down box for "Accept 
> > > Automatically" and I
> > > have "Trusted Devices" selected.
> > > 
> > > When I power on my headset it is connected automatically.
> > 
> > Interesting. A recent thread (around July 8) concerned similar problems
> > with BT mice. I wonder if this is the solution. I confess I'd never
> > looked at the Advanced Settings when trying to solve this.
> > 
> I was the OP on that thread.  I saw the trusted setting and am fairly
> sure I tried it with no improvement.
> 
> I stopped using the bt mouse.  Even turned off bt in the bios.
> Will revisit the issue with the trusted setting and report back

See my posting today "RE bluetooth mouse   [SOLVED]" for a fuller
description.  In short, I had tried to set the mouse to a trusted
device using blueman commands such as blueman-manager.  I tried
again but it did not allow automatic connection of the mouse.

Now I tried the "trust" sub-command of bluetoothctl.  It did
succeed in setting the mouse as a trusted device.  And the
mouse automatically connects after boot.

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Re: fedora 23 bluetooth connection

[Jon LaBadie]

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 01:33:00AM -0400, Jon LaBadie wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 11:57:24PM +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Tue, 2016-07-26 at 05:55 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> > > 
> > > On 07/26/16 02:49, Roger Wells wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Something changed (although not fatally):
> > > > I use Bluetooth speakers quite often.
> > > > Back in F22 or so after pairing the device merely turning it on caused
> > > > Fedora to connect to it.
> > > > Several months ago, now on F23,  (not sure when this problem appeared)
> > > > that changed and after turning the speaker on, I have to go into
> > > > Bluetooth Settings where the device appears as "Disconnected", select it
> > > > and activate the "Connection" switch several times and it will
> > > > eventually connect and be available for selection in the "Sound
> > > > Settings" after which it works fine.
> > > > Is there a path back? 
> > > > 
> > > > The setup is up to date Fedora 23 using Gnome 3.18.1-1.fc23.x86_64
> > > > TIA,
> > > 
> > > I use F24, a Bluetooth headset, and KDE.  The GUI may be different but I 
> > > think gnome
> > > should have similar settings.
> > > 
> > > On my settings for the headset I have "trusted" checked.  Then there is 
> > > another "tab"
> > > called "Advanced Settings".  There is a drop down box for "Accept 
> > > Automatically" and I
> > > have "Trusted Devices" selected.
> > > 
> > > When I power on my headset it is connected automatically.
> > 
> > Interesting. A recent thread (around July 8) concerned similar problems
> > with BT mice. I wonder if this is the solution. I confess I'd never
> > looked at the Advanced Settings when trying to solve this.
> > 
> I was the OP on that thread.  I saw the trusted setting and am fairly
> sure I tried it with no improvement.
> 
> I stopped using the bt mouse.  Even turned off bt in the bios.
> Will revisit the issue with the trusted setting and report back
> 

It seems "trust" is the key.  I had difficulty turning it on for
my mouse device.  In blueman-manager, there are menu items and
a separate icon button to turn on trust.  These did not complain
but didn't set the mouse as a trusted device either.

I went into bluetoothctl, found the device id, and used the
trust  command.  It reported setting "trust succeeded".
Sure enough, when I went back into the gui blueman-manager,
it was showing the trust icon for my mouse.

Now rebooting with the mouse on, or starting the mouse after
booting, it comes right up.

Seems like blueman-manager needs a fix to get trust working.

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Re: fedora 23 bluetooth connection

[Roger Wells]

On 07/27/2016 11:14 AM, Roger Wells wrote:
> On 07/27/2016 08:16 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 07/26/16 23:56, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2016-07-26 at 09:35 -0400, Roger Wells wrote:
 On 07/25/2016 05:55 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>
>
> On 07/26/16 02:49, Roger Wells wrote:
>> Something changed (although not fatally):
>> I use Bluetooth speakers quite often.
>> Back in F22 or so after pairing the device merely turning it on caused
>> Fedora to connect to it.
>> Several months ago, now on F23,  (not sure when this problem appeared)
>> that changed and after turning the speaker on, I have to go into
>> Bluetooth Settings where the device appears as "Disconnected", select it
>> and activate the "Connection" switch several times and it will
>> eventually connect and be available for selection in the "Sound
>> Settings" after which it works fine.
>> Is there a path back? 
>>
>> The setup is up to date Fedora 23 using Gnome 3.18.1-1.fc23.x86_64
>> TIA,
> I use F24, a Bluetooth headset, and KDE.  The GUI may be different but I 
> think gnome
> should have similar settings.
>
> On my settings for the headset I have "trusted" checked.  Then there is 
> another "tab"
> called "Advanced Settings".  There is a drop down box for "Accept 
> Automatically" and I
> have "Trusted Devices" selected.
>
> When I power on my headset it is connected automatically.
>
 Thanks for responding.

 I don't see any Advanced Settings offer via the Gnome desktop and no
 mention of BT in the tweak tool.  I'll hunt around.
>>> To be clear: this was in KDE. I don't know what the equivalent Gnome
>>> control is.
>>>
>>
>> One thing that "confuses" me is that within the KDE settings there is, as I 
>> said, an
>> "Accept Automatically" choice.  But if you use bluetoothctl there doesn't 
>> appear to be an
>> equivalent setting in the command line interface. 
>>
>> I don't currently have GNOME installed on my system in order to check if my 
>> headset would
>> connect automatically in that environment.
>>
> Here's progress:
> Use bluetoothctl and set "trust" on for the speaker device.
> After the next re-boot the device connected when powered on just like
> before.  (I just didn't know about the existence of bluetoothctl)
> 
> Thanks, all
> 
Well, not so good.  It only did it once even though bluetoothctl still
reports it as trusted.


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Re: fedora 23 bluetooth connection

[Roger Wells]

On 07/27/2016 08:16 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> 
> 
> On 07/26/16 23:56, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> On Tue, 2016-07-26 at 09:35 -0400, Roger Wells wrote:
>>> On 07/25/2016 05:55 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:


 On 07/26/16 02:49, Roger Wells wrote:
> Something changed (although not fatally):
> I use Bluetooth speakers quite often.
> Back in F22 or so after pairing the device merely turning it on caused
> Fedora to connect to it.
> Several months ago, now on F23,  (not sure when this problem appeared)
> that changed and after turning the speaker on, I have to go into
> Bluetooth Settings where the device appears as "Disconnected", select it
> and activate the "Connection" switch several times and it will
> eventually connect and be available for selection in the "Sound
> Settings" after which it works fine.
> Is there a path back? 
>
> The setup is up to date Fedora 23 using Gnome 3.18.1-1.fc23.x86_64
> TIA,
 I use F24, a Bluetooth headset, and KDE.  The GUI may be different but I 
 think gnome
 should have similar settings.

 On my settings for the headset I have "trusted" checked.  Then there is 
 another "tab"
 called "Advanced Settings".  There is a drop down box for "Accept 
 Automatically" and I
 have "Trusted Devices" selected.

 When I power on my headset it is connected automatically.

>>> Thanks for responding.
>>>
>>> I don't see any Advanced Settings offer via the Gnome desktop and no
>>> mention of BT in the tweak tool.  I'll hunt around.
>> To be clear: this was in KDE. I don't know what the equivalent Gnome
>> control is.
>>
> 
> One thing that "confuses" me is that within the KDE settings there is, as I 
> said, an
> "Accept Automatically" choice.  But if you use bluetoothctl there doesn't 
> appear to be an
> equivalent setting in the command line interface. 
> 
> I don't currently have GNOME installed on my system in order to check if my 
> headset would
> connect automatically in that environment.
> 
Here's progress:
Use bluetoothctl and set "trust" on for the speaker device.
After the next re-boot the device connected when powered on just like
before.  (I just didn't know about the existence of bluetoothctl)

Thanks, all
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Re: fedora 23 bluetooth connection

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/26/16 23:56, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Tue, 2016-07-26 at 09:35 -0400, Roger Wells wrote:
>> On 07/25/2016 05:55 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 07/26/16 02:49, Roger Wells wrote:
 Something changed (although not fatally):
 I use Bluetooth speakers quite often.
 Back in F22 or so after pairing the device merely turning it on caused
 Fedora to connect to it.
 Several months ago, now on F23,  (not sure when this problem appeared)
 that changed and after turning the speaker on, I have to go into
 Bluetooth Settings where the device appears as "Disconnected", select it
 and activate the "Connection" switch several times and it will
 eventually connect and be available for selection in the "Sound
 Settings" after which it works fine.
 Is there a path back? 

 The setup is up to date Fedora 23 using Gnome 3.18.1-1.fc23.x86_64
 TIA,
>>> I use F24, a Bluetooth headset, and KDE.  The GUI may be different but I 
>>> think gnome
>>> should have similar settings.
>>>
>>> On my settings for the headset I have "trusted" checked.  Then there is 
>>> another "tab"
>>> called "Advanced Settings".  There is a drop down box for "Accept 
>>> Automatically" and I
>>> have "Trusted Devices" selected.
>>>
>>> When I power on my headset it is connected automatically.
>>>
>> Thanks for responding.
>>
>> I don't see any Advanced Settings offer via the Gnome desktop and no
>> mention of BT in the tweak tool.  I'll hunt around.
> To be clear: this was in KDE. I don't know what the equivalent Gnome
> control is.
>

One thing that "confuses" me is that within the KDE settings there is, as I 
said, an
"Accept Automatically" choice.  But if you use bluetoothctl there doesn't 
appear to be an
equivalent setting in the command line interface. 

I don't currently have GNOME installed on my system in order to check if my 
headset would
connect automatically in that environment.

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Re: fedora 23 bluetooth connection

[Samuel Sieb]

On 07/26/2016 10:15 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:

If you do a "dnf search bluetooth" you'll find what appear
to be several different bluetooth utilities. Some may be
dumber than others (certainly the new and improved gnome
control center printer tool has forced me to use the cups
web interface to get any actual printer tasks done, bluetooth
may be just as dumbed down for gnome).


I use system-config-printer.
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Re: fedora 23 bluetooth connection

[Roger Wells]

On 07/26/2016 01:15 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 16:56:40 +0100
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> 
>> To be clear: this was in KDE. I don't know what the equivalent Gnome
>> control is.
> 
> If you do a "dnf search bluetooth" you'll find what appear
> to be several different bluetooth utilities. Some may be
> dumber than others (certainly the new and improved gnome
> control center printer tool has forced me to use the cups
> web interface to get any actual printer tasks done, bluetooth
> may be just as dumbed down for gnome).
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Thanks, I'll have a look and report back if anything good happens

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Re: fedora 23 bluetooth connection

[Tom Horsley]

On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 16:56:40 +0100
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

> To be clear: this was in KDE. I don't know what the equivalent Gnome
> control is.

If you do a "dnf search bluetooth" you'll find what appear
to be several different bluetooth utilities. Some may be
dumber than others (certainly the new and improved gnome
control center printer tool has forced me to use the cups
web interface to get any actual printer tasks done, bluetooth
may be just as dumbed down for gnome).
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Re: fedora 23 bluetooth connection

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2016-07-26 at 09:35 -0400, Roger Wells wrote:
> On 07/25/2016 05:55 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 07/26/16 02:49, Roger Wells wrote:
> > > 
> > > Something changed (although not fatally):
> > > I use Bluetooth speakers quite often.
> > > Back in F22 or so after pairing the device merely turning it on caused
> > > Fedora to connect to it.
> > > Several months ago, now on F23,  (not sure when this problem appeared)
> > > that changed and after turning the speaker on, I have to go into
> > > Bluetooth Settings where the device appears as "Disconnected", select it
> > > and activate the "Connection" switch several times and it will
> > > eventually connect and be available for selection in the "Sound
> > > Settings" after which it works fine.
> > > Is there a path back? 
> > > 
> > > The setup is up to date Fedora 23 using Gnome 3.18.1-1.fc23.x86_64
> > > TIA,
> > 
> > I use F24, a Bluetooth headset, and KDE.  The GUI may be different but I 
> > think gnome
> > should have similar settings.
> > 
> > On my settings for the headset I have "trusted" checked.  Then there is 
> > another "tab"
> > called "Advanced Settings".  There is a drop down box for "Accept 
> > Automatically" and I
> > have "Trusted Devices" selected.
> > 
> > When I power on my headset it is connected automatically.
> > 
> Thanks for responding.
> 
> I don't see any Advanced Settings offer via the Gnome desktop and no
> mention of BT in the tweak tool.  I'll hunt around.

To be clear: this was in KDE. I don't know what the equivalent Gnome
control is.

poc
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Re: fedora 23 bluetooth connection

[Roger Wells]

On 07/25/2016 05:55 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> 
> 
> On 07/26/16 02:49, Roger Wells wrote:
>> Something changed (although not fatally):
>> I use Bluetooth speakers quite often.
>> Back in F22 or so after pairing the device merely turning it on caused
>> Fedora to connect to it.
>> Several months ago, now on F23,  (not sure when this problem appeared)
>> that changed and after turning the speaker on, I have to go into
>> Bluetooth Settings where the device appears as "Disconnected", select it
>> and activate the "Connection" switch several times and it will
>> eventually connect and be available for selection in the "Sound
>> Settings" after which it works fine.
>> Is there a path back? 
>>
>> The setup is up to date Fedora 23 using Gnome 3.18.1-1.fc23.x86_64
>> TIA,
> 
> I use F24, a Bluetooth headset, and KDE.  The GUI may be different but I 
> think gnome
> should have similar settings.
> 
> On my settings for the headset I have "trusted" checked.  Then there is 
> another "tab"
> called "Advanced Settings".  There is a drop down box for "Accept 
> Automatically" and I
> have "Trusted Devices" selected.
> 
> When I power on my headset it is connected automatically.
> 
Thanks for responding.

I don't see any Advanced Settings offer via the Gnome desktop and no
mention of BT in the tweak tool.  I'll hunt around.

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Re: fedora 23 bluetooth connection

[Jon LaBadie]

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 11:57:24PM +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Tue, 2016-07-26 at 05:55 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> > 
> > On 07/26/16 02:49, Roger Wells wrote:
> > > 
> > > Something changed (although not fatally):
> > > I use Bluetooth speakers quite often.
> > > Back in F22 or so after pairing the device merely turning it on caused
> > > Fedora to connect to it.
> > > Several months ago, now on F23,  (not sure when this problem appeared)
> > > that changed and after turning the speaker on, I have to go into
> > > Bluetooth Settings where the device appears as "Disconnected", select it
> > > and activate the "Connection" switch several times and it will
> > > eventually connect and be available for selection in the "Sound
> > > Settings" after which it works fine.
> > > Is there a path back? 
> > > 
> > > The setup is up to date Fedora 23 using Gnome 3.18.1-1.fc23.x86_64
> > > TIA,
> > 
> > I use F24, a Bluetooth headset, and KDE.  The GUI may be different but I 
> > think gnome
> > should have similar settings.
> > 
> > On my settings for the headset I have "trusted" checked.  Then there is 
> > another "tab"
> > called "Advanced Settings".  There is a drop down box for "Accept 
> > Automatically" and I
> > have "Trusted Devices" selected.
> > 
> > When I power on my headset it is connected automatically.
> 
> Interesting. A recent thread (around July 8) concerned similar problems
> with BT mice. I wonder if this is the solution. I confess I'd never
> looked at the Advanced Settings when trying to solve this.
> 
I was the OP on that thread.  I saw the trusted setting and am fairly
sure I tried it with no improvement.

I stopped using the bt mouse.  Even turned off bt in the bios.
Will revisit the issue with the trusted setting and report back

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Re: fedora 23 bluetooth connection

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/26/16 06:57, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Tue, 2016-07-26 at 05:55 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> On 07/26/16 02:49, Roger Wells wrote:
>>> Something changed (although not fatally):
>>> I use Bluetooth speakers quite often.
>>> Back in F22 or so after pairing the device merely turning it on caused
>>> Fedora to connect to it.
>>> Several months ago, now on F23,  (not sure when this problem appeared)
>>> that changed and after turning the speaker on, I have to go into
>>> Bluetooth Settings where the device appears as "Disconnected", select it
>>> and activate the "Connection" switch several times and it will
>>> eventually connect and be available for selection in the "Sound
>>> Settings" after which it works fine.
>>> Is there a path back? 
>>>
>>> The setup is up to date Fedora 23 using Gnome 3.18.1-1.fc23.x86_64
>>> TIA,
>> I use F24, a Bluetooth headset, and KDE.  The GUI may be different but I 
>> think gnome
>> should have similar settings.
>>
>> On my settings for the headset I have "trusted" checked.  Then there is 
>> another "tab"
>> called "Advanced Settings".  There is a drop down box for "Accept 
>> Automatically" and I
>> have "Trusted Devices" selected.
>>
>> When I power on my headset it is connected automatically.
> Interesting. A recent thread (around July 8) concerned similar problems
> with BT mice. I wonder if this is the solution. I confess I'd never
> looked at the Advanced Settings when trying to solve this.

Could very well be.  I ignored the BT mice thread since I don't have one.

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Re: fedora 23 bluetooth connection

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2016-07-26 at 05:55 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> 
> On 07/26/16 02:49, Roger Wells wrote:
> > 
> > Something changed (although not fatally):
> > I use Bluetooth speakers quite often.
> > Back in F22 or so after pairing the device merely turning it on caused
> > Fedora to connect to it.
> > Several months ago, now on F23,  (not sure when this problem appeared)
> > that changed and after turning the speaker on, I have to go into
> > Bluetooth Settings where the device appears as "Disconnected", select it
> > and activate the "Connection" switch several times and it will
> > eventually connect and be available for selection in the "Sound
> > Settings" after which it works fine.
> > Is there a path back? 
> > 
> > The setup is up to date Fedora 23 using Gnome 3.18.1-1.fc23.x86_64
> > TIA,
> 
> I use F24, a Bluetooth headset, and KDE.  The GUI may be different but I 
> think gnome
> should have similar settings.
> 
> On my settings for the headset I have "trusted" checked.  Then there is 
> another "tab"
> called "Advanced Settings".  There is a drop down box for "Accept 
> Automatically" and I
> have "Trusted Devices" selected.
> 
> When I power on my headset it is connected automatically.

Interesting. A recent thread (around July 8) concerned similar problems
with BT mice. I wonder if this is the solution. I confess I'd never
looked at the Advanced Settings when trying to solve this.

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Re: fedora 23 bluetooth connection

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/26/16 02:49, Roger Wells wrote:
> Something changed (although not fatally):
> I use Bluetooth speakers quite often.
> Back in F22 or so after pairing the device merely turning it on caused
> Fedora to connect to it.
> Several months ago, now on F23,  (not sure when this problem appeared)
> that changed and after turning the speaker on, I have to go into
> Bluetooth Settings where the device appears as "Disconnected", select it
> and activate the "Connection" switch several times and it will
> eventually connect and be available for selection in the "Sound
> Settings" after which it works fine.
> Is there a path back? 
>
> The setup is up to date Fedora 23 using Gnome 3.18.1-1.fc23.x86_64
> TIA,

I use F24, a Bluetooth headset, and KDE.  The GUI may be different but I think 
gnome
should have similar settings.

On my settings for the headset I have "trusted" checked.  Then there is another 
"tab"
called "Advanced Settings".  There is a drop down box for "Accept 
Automatically" and I
have "Trusted Devices" selected.

When I power on my headset it is connected automatically.

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Re: Fedora 23 and DisplayPort with audio

[Mark]

On Thu, 2016-06-02 at 22:14 +0200, Mark wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I recently updated my computer with a Asus z97a motherboard and a 
> i7-5775C processor with a Iris Pro 6200 GPU. That's the only GPU I
> have
> in the computer. Now the monitor that I use comes with integrated
> loudspeakers that I would like to use and if I connect my monitor
> with
> the motherboard over HDMI I have both video and audio. That's nice.
> But
> if I try to use DisplayPort instead I get no audio. The reason I
> would
> like have DP instead of HDMI is that the former can drive the monitor
> at 60Hz instead of 50Hz. In Gnome Settings -> Sound the options are
> the
> same regardless of which cable I use.
> 
> Not the biggest problem in the world, but it would be nice to get
> some
> insight if this is a problem that can be solved?

Not sure why but today audio over DP works :) Might have been the been
the new kernel 4.5.5 that was just released?
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Re: Fedora 23 and DisplayPort with audio

[Ed Greshko]

On 06/03/16 14:15, Mark wrote:
> On Fri, 2016-06-03 at 06:43 +1000, Dylan Thiedeke wrote:
>> What is your output for
>>
>> $ aplay -l
>>
>> As mentioned here https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1268786
>>  ,
>> is there additional or update firmware/drivers you could install?
>>
> $ aplay -l gives
>
>  List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
> card 1: HDMI [HDA Intel HDMI], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
>   Subdevices: 1/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> card 1: HDMI [HDA Intel HDMI], device 7: HDMI 1 [HDMI 1]
>   Subdevices: 0/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> card 2: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: ALC892 Analog [ALC892 Analog]
>   Subdevices: 1/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> card 2: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 3: ALC892 Digital [ALC892 Digital]
>   Subdevices: 1/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
>
> and this is what it gives after powered down the computer, removed the
> HDMI cable and switched to DP
>
>  List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
> card 0: HDMI [HDA Intel HDMI], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
>   Subdevices: 1/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> card 0: HDMI [HDA Intel HDMI], device 7: HDMI 1 [HDMI 1]
>   Subdevices: 1/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> card 1: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: ALC892 Analog [ALC892 Analog]
>   Subdevices: 1/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> card 1: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 3: ALC892 Digital [ALC892 Digital]
>   Subdevices: 1/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
>
> The graphics device is Intel Iris Pro 6200 (Broadwell GT3e). I haven't
> installed any special drivers or firmware. It's just the what comes
> with the Fedora OS that drives the graphics and audio.

I have found it better to use the command "aplay -L" to list the available 
devices since
the output can be then used to directly test.

I am using an nVidia card with the nVidia drivers so the relevant portion from 
my system
would be

hdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0
HDA NVidia, HDMI 0
HDMI Audio Output
hdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=1
HDA NVidia, HDMI 1
HDMI Audio Output
hdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=2
HDA NVidia, HDMI 2
HDMI Audio Output
hdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=3
HDA NVidia, HDMI 3
HDMI Audio Output

I have 2 ASUS PB258Q monitors.  One is connected to an HDMI port and the other 
the display
port.

To play on the HDMI connected monitor's speakers I can use...

[egreshko@meimei ~]$ aplay -Dhdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=1 05-Born_To_Run.wav
Playing WAVE '05-Born_To_Run.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, 
Stereo

To play on the DP connected monitor's speakers I can use...

[egreshko@meimei ~]$ aplay -Dhdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=2 05-Born_To_Run.wav
Playing WAVE '05-Born_To_Run.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, 
Stereo

But I have Bose external speakers so I never use the monitor speakers as they 
sound
horrible in comparison.  :-)


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Re: Fedora 23 and DisplayPort with audio

[Frank Elsner]

On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 22:14:33 +0200 Mark wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I recently updated my computer with a Asus z97a motherboard and a 
> i7-5775C processor with a Iris Pro 6200 GPU. That's the only GPU I have
> in the computer. Now the monitor that I use comes with integrated
> loudspeakers that I would like to use and if I connect my monitor with
> the motherboard over HDMI I have both video and audio. That's nice. But
> if I try to use DisplayPort instead I get no audio. The reason I would
> like have DP instead of HDMI is that the former can drive the monitor
> at 60Hz instead of 50Hz. In Gnome Settings -> Sound the options are the
> same regardless of which cable I use.

Gnome Settings is probably not enough. You should try pavucontrol 
for routing the output to the DisplayPort.


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Re: Fedora 23 and DisplayPort with audio

[Mark]

On Fri, 2016-06-03 at 06:43 +1000, Dylan Thiedeke wrote:
> What is your output for
> 
> $ aplay -l
> 
> As mentioned here https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1268786
>  ,
> is there additional or update firmware/drivers you could install?
> 

$ aplay -l gives

 List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
card 1: HDMI [HDA Intel HDMI], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 1: HDMI [HDA Intel HDMI], device 7: HDMI 1 [HDMI 1]
  Subdevices: 0/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 2: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: ALC892 Analog [ALC892 Analog]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 2: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 3: ALC892 Digital [ALC892 Digital]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0

and this is what it gives after powered down the computer, removed the
HDMI cable and switched to DP

 List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
card 0: HDMI [HDA Intel HDMI], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: HDMI [HDA Intel HDMI], device 7: HDMI 1 [HDMI 1]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 1: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: ALC892 Analog [ALC892 Analog]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 1: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 3: ALC892 Digital [ALC892 Digital]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0

The graphics device is Intel Iris Pro 6200 (Broadwell GT3e). I haven't
installed any special drivers or firmware. It's just the what comes
with the Fedora OS that drives the graphics and audio.
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Re: Fedora 23 and DisplayPort with audio

[Andre Robatino]

Please disregard, it appears my reply is not relevant to your problem (except 
that your PC's DP output may not include audio). Sorry for the noise.
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Re: Fedora 23 and DisplayPort with audio

[Andre Robatino]

I have a PC that outputs DP, but with video only. My monitor supports DVI 
without audio, and HDMI with audio. When I used a DP-to-HDMI adaptor, the 
monitor assumed it was getting audio through the HDMI, even though it wasn't, 
and it disabled the audio jack, so I couldn't even get audio through the jack. 
I was forced to give up on HDMI and instead use a DP-to-DVI adaptor. Since the 
monitor knew it wasn't getting audio through DVI, it allowed audio through the 
audio jack.
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Re: Fedora 23 and DisplayPort with audio

[Dylan Thiedeke]

What is your output for

$ aplay -l

As mentioned here https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1268786 ,
is there additional or update firmware/drivers you could install?

On 03/06/16 06:14, Mark wrote:
> Hi
>
> I recently updated my computer with a Asus z97a motherboard and a 
> i7-5775C processor with a Iris Pro 6200 GPU. That's the only GPU I have
> in the computer. Now the monitor that I use comes with integrated
> loudspeakers that I would like to use and if I connect my monitor with
> the motherboard over HDMI I have both video and audio. That's nice. But
> if I try to use DisplayPort instead I get no audio. The reason I would
> like have DP instead of HDMI is that the former can drive the monitor
> at 60Hz instead of 50Hz. In Gnome Settings -> Sound the options are the
> same regardless of which cable I use.
>
> Not the biggest problem in the world, but it would be nice to get some
> insight if this is a problem that can be solved?
>
> Also I get video over DP only with version set to 1.1 If I in the
> monitor menu switch to DP 1.2 the screen will just go black.
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Re: Fedora 23 and DisplayPort with audio

[stan]

On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 22:14:33 +0200
Mark  wrote:

> Hi
> 
> I recently updated my computer with a Asus z97a motherboard and a 
> i7-5775C processor with a Iris Pro 6200 GPU. That's the only GPU I
> have in the computer. Now the monitor that I use comes with integrated
> loudspeakers that I would like to use and if I connect my monitor with
> the motherboard over HDMI I have both video and audio. That's nice.
> But if I try to use DisplayPort instead I get no audio. The reason I
> would like have DP instead of HDMI is that the former can drive the
> monitor at 60Hz instead of 50Hz. In Gnome Settings -> Sound the
> options are the same regardless of which cable I use.
> 
> Not the biggest problem in the world, but it would be nice to get some
> insight if this is a problem that can be solved?
> 
> Also I get video over DP only with version set to 1.1 If I in the
> monitor menu switch to DP 1.2 the screen will just go black.

This site,
http://superuser.com/questions/229084/does-displayport-carry-sound-as-hdmi-does
suggests that display port supports audio, but the video driver has to
provide the support.  
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Re: Fedora 23 (4.4.9-300.fc23) ZFS problem after reboot

[Maikel van Leeuwen]

On 06/01/2016 03:42 AM, Corey 'linuxmodder' Sheldon wrote:
> On 05/31/2016 07:07 AM, Tom H wrote:
>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:42 PM, Maikel van Leeuwen
>>  wrote:
>>> Yesterday I upgraded a Fedora server to 4.4.9-300.fc23.x86_64, after
>>> the reboot all my ZFS pools where gone. After some fiddling and
>>> testing I created these set of steps to solve the problem:
>>>
>>> dnf remove zfs
>>> dnf install zfs
>>> modprobe zfs
>>> zpool import
>>> zpool import -D
>>> zpool import raid1
>>> zfs mount -a
>>>
>>> Can somebody acknowledge the same problem and is this to be more expected 
>>> in the future?
>> It looks like dkms didn't build the zfs modules when the kernel was
>> upgraded but it did when you re-installed zfs.
>>
>> You can check which modules are built with "dkms status" after a new
>> kernel's installed.
>>
>> If a module hasn't been rebuilt for it, you might be able to trigger
>> the build via the "/etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms" script.
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> What repo are you using for zfs?
http://archive.zfsonlinux.org/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/



>
> Also,  what was the last kernel or was this a  fresh netinstall ?
Current kernel's installed on the system:

kernel-4.4.9-300.fc23.x86_64
kernel-4.4.8-300.fc23.x86_64
kernel-4.4.6-301.fc23.x86_64

And now I recall, this happened also when I jumped from 4.4.6 to 4.4.8

So basically, I'll need to check every reboot if there's a new kernel
release and build a kernel module or is there a way to force the
/etc/kernel/postist.d/dkms script after every dnf update?

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Re: Fedora 23 (4.4.9-300.fc23) ZFS problem after reboot

[Corey 'linuxmodder' Sheldon]

On 05/31/2016 07:07 AM, Tom H wrote:
> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:42 PM, Maikel van Leeuwen
>  wrote:
>> Yesterday I upgraded a Fedora server to 4.4.9-300.fc23.x86_64, after
>> the reboot all my ZFS pools where gone. After some fiddling and
>> testing I created these set of steps to solve the problem:
>>
>> dnf remove zfs
>> dnf install zfs
>> modprobe zfs
>> zpool import
>> zpool import -D
>> zpool import raid1
>> zfs mount -a
>>
>> Can somebody acknowledge the same problem and is this to be more expected in 
>> the future?
> It looks like dkms didn't build the zfs modules when the kernel was
> upgraded but it did when you re-installed zfs.
>
> You can check which modules are built with "dkms status" after a new
> kernel's installed.
>
> If a module hasn't been rebuilt for it, you might be able to trigger
> the build via the "/etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms" script.
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What repo are you using for zfs?

Also,  what was the last kernel or was this a  fresh netinstall ?


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Re: Fedora 23 (4.4.9-300.fc23) ZFS problem after reboot

[Tom H]

On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:42 PM, Maikel van Leeuwen
 wrote:
>
> Yesterday I upgraded a Fedora server to 4.4.9-300.fc23.x86_64, after
> the reboot all my ZFS pools where gone. After some fiddling and
> testing I created these set of steps to solve the problem:
>
> dnf remove zfs
> dnf install zfs
> modprobe zfs
> zpool import
> zpool import -D
> zpool import raid1
> zfs mount -a
>
> Can somebody acknowledge the same problem and is this to be more expected in 
> the future?

It looks like dkms didn't build the zfs modules when the kernel was
upgraded but it did when you re-installed zfs.

You can check which modules are built with "dkms status" after a new
kernel's installed.

If a module hasn't been rebuilt for it, you might be able to trigger
the build via the "/etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms" script.
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Re: Fedora 23 (4.4.9-300.fc23) ZFS problem after reboot

[James Hogarth]

On 31 May 2016 at 11:42, Maikel van Leeuwen 
wrote:

> Yesterday I upgraded a Fedora server to 4.4.9-300.fc23.x86_64, after the
> reboot all my ZFS pools where
> gone. After some fiddling and testing I created these set of steps to
> solve the problem:
>
> dnf remove zfs
> dnf install  zfs
> modprobe zfs
> zpool import
> zpool import -D
> zpool import raid1
> zfs mount -a
>
> Can somebody acknowledge the same problem and is this to be more expected
> in the future?
>
> ZFS version: zfs-0.6.5.7-1.fc23.x86_64
>
>
>
>
Enjoy the fun of a DKMS based filesystem ... you really need to ask the
zfsonlinux guys about this as Fedora does not ship or support ZFS
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RE: Fedora 23: Wayland problems

[David Aldrich]

Thanks for your help. I was able to add a higher VGA resolution using the link 
you provided:

xrandr --newmode "1680x1050_60.00"  146.25  1680 1784 1960 2240  1050 1053 1059 
1089 -hsync +vsync
 xrandr --addmode VGA-1 1680x1050_60.00
 xrandr --output VGA-1 --mode 1680x1050_60.00

Best regards

David

> -Original Message-
> From: Egor Zaharov [mailto:nexfw...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 03 May 2016 17:17
> To: Community support for Fedora users <users@lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Subject: Re: Fedora 23: Wayland problems
> 
> On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 1:14 PM, David Aldrich
> <david.aldr...@emea.nec.com> wrote:
> > So, is there a way to make the system support 1680 x 1050 on VGA on
> > the current setup?
> You can try this: [1].
> 
> > Or is there a way to rollback the updates applied last Friday so that
> > I can make Wayland work properly again?
> You can use `dnf history list` to list your recent package manager activity, 
> if you
> used dnf to do the update what broken your setup.
> Then take the transaction number from the first column, and use `dnf history
> info ${NUM}` to view which packages was updated, and which versions was
> before that update. You could try to do the `dnf history undo ${NUM}`, but 
> this
> might not work because of unavailability of needed packages.
> 
> Find these previous versions on [2], download the rpms, and install them from
> the Terminal, using `dnf downgrade ./*.rpm`.
> 
> [1]:
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xrandr#Adding_undetected_resolutions
> [2]: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/
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Re: Fedora 23: Wayland problems

[Egor Zaharov]

On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 1:14 PM, David Aldrich
 wrote:
> So, is there a way to make the system support 1680 x 1050 on VGA on the
> current setup?
You can try this: [1].

> Or is there a way to rollback the updates applied last Friday so that I can
> make Wayland work properly again?
You can use `dnf history list` to list your recent package manager
activity, if you used dnf to do the update what broken your setup.
Then take the transaction number from the first column, and use `dnf
history info ${NUM}` to view which packages was updated, and which
versions was before that update. You could try to do the `dnf history
undo ${NUM}`, but this might not work because of unavailability of
needed packages.

Find these previous versions on [2], download the rpms, and install
them from the Terminal, using `dnf downgrade ./*.rpm`.

[1]: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xrandr#Adding_undetected_resolutions
[2]: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/
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RE: Fedora 23: Wayland problems

[David Aldrich]

Hi

Just a follow-up to my question. I think the Wayland updates were installed as 
a result of:

dnf install SDL2-devel SDL2_image-devel SDL2_mixer-devel SDL2_ttf-devel

Install  libwayland-client-devel-1.9.0-1.fc23.x86_64 @fedora
Install  libwayland-cursor-devel-1.9.0-1.fc23.x86_64 @fedora
Install  mesa-libwayland-egl-devel-11.1.0-2.20151218.fc23.x86_64 @updates
Install  wayland-devel-1.9.0-1.fc23.x86_64   @fedora


I need the SDL2 packages so I think a rollback is not a choice for me.

Any suggestions for a way forward please?

Best regards

David
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Re: Fedora 23 Server: can't startx

[Braden McDaniel]

On Wed, 2016-03-30 at 17:52 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote:
> On 03/30/2016 05:24 PM, James Hogarth wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > On 31 Mar 2016 00:52, "Braden McDaniel"  > > wrote:
> >  >
> >  > On Wed, 2016-03-30 at 13:21 -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> >  > >
> >  > > On 03/30/2016 12:06 PM, Braden McDaniel wrote:
> >  > > > I have a fresh, updated install of Fedora 23 Server.  After
> >  > > > installation, I installed the "Basic Desktop" group.  Now,
> > when I
> > try to
> >  > > > run startx, it fails with the error:
> >  > > >
> >  > > >  xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O
> > (Operation
> > not permitted)
> >  > > >
> >  > > > Where should I look to diagnose/resolve this?  Could this be
> > related to
> >  > > > the fact that my home directories are NFS mounted?  (I have
> > set the
> >  > > > use_nfs_home_dirs SELinux setting to "on".)
> >  > > >
> >  > > What AVC's are you seeing?
> >  > >
> >  > > ausearch -m avc -ts recent
> >  >
> >  > None, apparently:
> >  >
> >  > # ausearch -m avc -ts recent
> >  > 
> >  >
> >  > (I ran startx again just before doing that, just to be sure.)
> >  >
> > 
> > Rather than running startx as your user from a tty what is the
> > result of
> > systemctl isolate graphical.target to move to the graphical
> > interface
> > from the multi-user.target ?
> This sure smells like some of the device drivers or utilities X needs
> aren't installed. Can you try to install one of the normal desktop
> environment groups, e.g.
> 
>   dnf groupinstall "Xfce Desktop"
> 
> I'm just thinking that "Basic Desktop" is incomplete or is just a
> metapackage that one of the other desktops needs and isn't "stand
> alone".

Good call.

It looks like there's some bustage in the "Basic Desktop" group (or
perhaps the packages it includes).


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Re: Fedora 23 multiple CPU cooling/temp errors every day

[Chris Murphy]

It's also worth installing and running powertop -c which can be done
either on battery power or not, and it'll set some better power states
on various things. It may not make the fan run less or CPU less warm,
but it'll still use less power. There are a bunch of powertop guides
floating about.


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Re: Fedora 23 multiple CPU cooling/temp errors every day

[Chris Murphy]

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 8:55 AM, CS DBA  wrote:
>
> Thanks for the feedback, I've installed thermald, added it to
> /etc/rc.d/rc.local and so far have not seen a single cpu temp alert.


That package installs a systemd unit. It shouldn't be necessary to add
it to rc.local.

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Re: Fedora 23 multiple CPU cooling/temp errors every day

[CS DBA]

On 04/13/2016 10:25 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 8:55 AM, CS DBA  wrote:

Thanks for the feedback, I've installed thermald, added it to
/etc/rc.d/rc.local and so far have not seen a single cpu temp alert.


That package installs a systemd unit. It shouldn't be necessary to add
it to rc.local.


Understood, thanks
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Re: Fedora 23 multiple CPU cooling/temp errors every day

[CS DBA]

On 04/12/2016 04:04 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Chris Murphy  wrote:

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 2:41 PM, CS DBA  wrote:

Hi all;

Daily I see anywhere from 10 - 50 or more of these alerts via abrt. I'm
running Fedora 23 (KDE Spin) fully up to date on a Lenovo X1 carbon 3rd gen.
In all the alerts I see that the trip temp was exceeded, and then dropped
below the trip temp within 1 second.
Below is a sample of the output.

Should I be concerned? If not can I disable the popup alert? If so,
recommendations? should I consider cleaning & replacing the cpu thermal
compound?

Thanks in advance




The kernel log indicates that hardware errors were detected.
System log may have more information.
The last 20 mcelog lines of system log are:
==
Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: Please check your system cooling.
Performance will be impacted
Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: STATUS 8812080b MCGSTATUS 0
Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: MCGCAP 1000c07 APICID 1 SOCKETID 0
Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: CPUID Vendor Intel Family 6 Model 61
Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: Hardware event. This is not a software
error.
Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: MCE 0
Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: CPU 1 THERMAL EVENT TSC 134e63eb3c2f
Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: TIME 1460493199 Tue Apr 12 14:33:19 2016
Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: Processor 1 below trip temperature.
Throttling disabled
Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: STATUS 8813080a MCGSTATUS 0
Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: MCGCAP 1000c07 APICID 1 SOCKETID 0
Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: CPUID Vendor Intel Family 6 Model 61
Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: Hardware event. This is not a software
error.
Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: MCE 1
Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: CPU 0 THERMAL EVENT TSC 134e63eb83f6
Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: TIME 1460493199 Tue Apr 12 14:33:19 2016
Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: Processor 0 below trip temperature.
Throttling disabled
Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: STATUS 8813080a MCGSTATUS 0
Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: MCGCAP 1000c07 APICID 0 SOCKETID 0
Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: CPUID Vendor Intel Family 6 Model 61

I think any MCE event shoudn't be ignored. There's just no way to know
if it's bogus or not. I get these on my machine periodically to no ill
effect and there's an upstream kernel bug with no response for years.
I thought it should be true that the hardware itself won't allow an
overheat, either GPU or CPU, and yet these messages suggest otherwise.

What I've been doing is using thermald which you can get from copr.
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/hadrons123/thermald/

However, what I just realized is that it says that 1.5.3 version build
has failed, and yet rpm -q shows 1.5.3 is on my system. And 'thermald
--version' also shows it's 1.5.3 and it's running. But it doesn't seem
to be working or producing the same messages it used to, where it'd
throttle the CPU automatically. Hmmm any wonder why it's seems hotter
than usual. Crap!


Well it appears to be doing something still, if I relaunch it in debug
mode. I guess maybe the new build is just not as verbose as the
previous build, by default. What I still don't get is how the copr
build state is failed, and yet I have that same build installed.





Thanks for the feedback, I've installed thermald, added it to 
/etc/rc.d/rc.local and so far have not seen a single cpu temp alert.



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Re: Fedora 23 multiple CPU cooling/temp errors every day

[Chris Murphy]

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Chris Murphy  wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 2:41 PM, CS DBA  wrote:
>> Hi all;
>>
>> Daily I see anywhere from 10 - 50 or more of these alerts via abrt. I'm
>> running Fedora 23 (KDE Spin) fully up to date on a Lenovo X1 carbon 3rd gen.
>> In all the alerts I see that the trip temp was exceeded, and then dropped
>> below the trip temp within 1 second.
>> Below is a sample of the output.
>>
>> Should I be concerned? If not can I disable the popup alert? If so,
>> recommendations? should I consider cleaning & replacing the cpu thermal
>> compound?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The kernel log indicates that hardware errors were detected.
>> System log may have more information.
>> The last 20 mcelog lines of system log are:
>> ==
>> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: Please check your system cooling.
>> Performance will be impacted
>> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: STATUS 8812080b MCGSTATUS 0
>> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: MCGCAP 1000c07 APICID 1 SOCKETID 0
>> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: CPUID Vendor Intel Family 6 Model 61
>> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: Hardware event. This is not a software
>> error.
>> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: MCE 0
>> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: CPU 1 THERMAL EVENT TSC 134e63eb3c2f
>> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: TIME 1460493199 Tue Apr 12 14:33:19 2016
>> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: Processor 1 below trip temperature.
>> Throttling disabled
>> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: STATUS 8813080a MCGSTATUS 0
>> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: MCGCAP 1000c07 APICID 1 SOCKETID 0
>> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: CPUID Vendor Intel Family 6 Model 61
>> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: Hardware event. This is not a software
>> error.
>> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: MCE 1
>> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: CPU 0 THERMAL EVENT TSC 134e63eb83f6
>> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: TIME 1460493199 Tue Apr 12 14:33:19 2016
>> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: Processor 0 below trip temperature.
>> Throttling disabled
>> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: STATUS 8813080a MCGSTATUS 0
>> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: MCGCAP 1000c07 APICID 0 SOCKETID 0
>> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: CPUID Vendor Intel Family 6 Model 61
>
> I think any MCE event shoudn't be ignored. There's just no way to know
> if it's bogus or not. I get these on my machine periodically to no ill
> effect and there's an upstream kernel bug with no response for years.
> I thought it should be true that the hardware itself won't allow an
> overheat, either GPU or CPU, and yet these messages suggest otherwise.
>
> What I've been doing is using thermald which you can get from copr.
> https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/hadrons123/thermald/
>
> However, what I just realized is that it says that 1.5.3 version build
> has failed, and yet rpm -q shows 1.5.3 is on my system. And 'thermald
> --version' also shows it's 1.5.3 and it's running. But it doesn't seem
> to be working or producing the same messages it used to, where it'd
> throttle the CPU automatically. Hmmm any wonder why it's seems hotter
> than usual. Crap!


Well it appears to be doing something still, if I relaunch it in debug
mode. I guess maybe the new build is just not as verbose as the
previous build, by default. What I still don't get is how the copr
build state is failed, and yet I have that same build installed.



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Re: Fedora 23 multiple CPU cooling/temp errors every day

[Chris Murphy]

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 2:41 PM, CS DBA  wrote:
> Hi all;
>
> Daily I see anywhere from 10 - 50 or more of these alerts via abrt. I'm
> running Fedora 23 (KDE Spin) fully up to date on a Lenovo X1 carbon 3rd gen.
> In all the alerts I see that the trip temp was exceeded, and then dropped
> below the trip temp within 1 second.
> Below is a sample of the output.
>
> Should I be concerned? If not can I disable the popup alert? If so,
> recommendations? should I consider cleaning & replacing the cpu thermal
> compound?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
>
>
> The kernel log indicates that hardware errors were detected.
> System log may have more information.
> The last 20 mcelog lines of system log are:
> ==
> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: Please check your system cooling.
> Performance will be impacted
> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: STATUS 8812080b MCGSTATUS 0
> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: MCGCAP 1000c07 APICID 1 SOCKETID 0
> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: CPUID Vendor Intel Family 6 Model 61
> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: Hardware event. This is not a software
> error.
> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: MCE 0
> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: CPU 1 THERMAL EVENT TSC 134e63eb3c2f
> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: TIME 1460493199 Tue Apr 12 14:33:19 2016
> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: Processor 1 below trip temperature.
> Throttling disabled
> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: STATUS 8813080a MCGSTATUS 0
> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: MCGCAP 1000c07 APICID 1 SOCKETID 0
> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: CPUID Vendor Intel Family 6 Model 61
> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: Hardware event. This is not a software
> error.
> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: MCE 1
> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: CPU 0 THERMAL EVENT TSC 134e63eb83f6
> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: TIME 1460493199 Tue Apr 12 14:33:19 2016
> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: Processor 0 below trip temperature.
> Throttling disabled
> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: STATUS 8813080a MCGSTATUS 0
> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: MCGCAP 1000c07 APICID 0 SOCKETID 0
> Apr 12 14:33:19 F23-host mcelog: CPUID Vendor Intel Family 6 Model 61

I think any MCE event shoudn't be ignored. There's just no way to know
if it's bogus or not. I get these on my machine periodically to no ill
effect and there's an upstream kernel bug with no response for years.
I thought it should be true that the hardware itself won't allow an
overheat, either GPU or CPU, and yet these messages suggest otherwise.

What I've been doing is using thermald which you can get from copr.
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/hadrons123/thermald/

However, what I just realized is that it says that 1.5.3 version build
has failed, and yet rpm -q shows 1.5.3 is on my system. And 'thermald
--version' also shows it's 1.5.3 and it's running. But it doesn't seem
to be working or producing the same messages it used to, where it'd
throttle the CPU automatically. Hmmm any wonder why it's seems hotter
than usual. Crap!


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Re: Fedora 23 installation failed and symptoms destroyed

[Chris Murphy]

On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 8:28 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier  wrote:
> The system is a newly assembled and installing Fedora 23 from live DVD is
> its first use.  The processor is Skylake (I guess that might matter).
> GPT partitioning and UEFI firmware are being used.
>
> Fedora 23 installation seems to work fine until it says that it is
> installing the bootloader.  At this point, some error message is probably
> produced but it gets completely lost in SPAM from journald.
>
> The desktop becomes unresponsive.  All the consoles are filled with
> messages like this:
>
> [TIMESTAMP] systemd-journald[PID]: Failed to write entry (N items, N bytes), 
> ignoring: Read-only file system
>
> In one of the many attempts to install, there was a message about an
> I/O error.  But it didn't seem to say anything beyond ERRNO=5.
>
> Before the desktop becomes completely unresponsive, it is unable to launch
> any programs (including GNOME Terminal).
>
> I assume that journald is trying to log to a RAMdisk.  This shouldn't
> be a problem: the system has 32G of RAM.
>
> Is there a way to stop journald messing up the record with its own
> (possibly recursive) complaints?  That would help us figure out what the
> original problem is.
>
>
> Permutations attempted:
>
> - installing to HDD vs SSD
>
> - pre-partitioning with gparted vs specifying partitions to the
>   installer vs giving the installer a free had at choosing the partitioning.
>
> A subsequent Ubuntu installation succeeded.  I don't know which
> version.  But Fedora 23 is preferred.

There isn't enough information.

I'd suspect a bad download of the ISO or bad write to optical media.
Note that some firmware out there prefer legacy CSM-BIOS boot from
hybrid media. The first thing I'd do is make sure you choose the media
test option when booting, and then once booted, get to Terminal and
post the results of 'efibootmgr -v' and might as well post the entire
journal thus far, because what ever problem causes the system to face
plant later is probably already being recorded in the journal.

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Re: Fedora 23 Apper display garbled

[Rex Dieter]

Mayavimmer wrote:

> Hello list, this is my first question on Fedora lists. Gentle guiding
> appreciated.
> 
> Problem: when I run Apper the progress information, such as "Downloading
> gcc" and similar, is a bit garbled. It seems that it writes
> "Downloading" first, then overwrites it with "Downloading gcc" shifted
> to the right by 4 or 5 spaces, making it hard to read.
> 
> Is this normal? Is it a known bug?

It's a known bug
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345883

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Re: Fedora 23 Apper display garbled

[Ed Greshko]

On 04/01/16 16:05, Mayavimmer wrote:
> Hello list, this is my first question on Fedora lists. Gentle guiding 
> appreciated.
>
> Problem: when I run Apper the progress information, such as "Downloading gcc" 
> and
> similar, is a bit garbled. It seems that it writes "Downloading" first, then 
> overwrites
> it with "Downloading gcc" shifted to the right by 4 or 5 spaces, making it 
> hard to read.
>
> Is this normal? Is it a known bug?
> And how do I search the list to see if it has been discussed already?
> Thanks.

I don't usually use apper but I tested it today and found the same issue you're 
seeing. 

So, at this point you should check to see if it is a known/filed bug in
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/ and if not file a new bug report.

Also, since apper is a KDE component you should consider joining and sending 
KDE related
queries to the KDE list where many KDE users can be found.

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Re: Fedora 23 Server: can't startx

[Rick Stevens]

On 03/30/2016 05:24 PM, James Hogarth wrote:


On 31 Mar 2016 00:52, "Braden McDaniel" > wrote:
 >
 > On Wed, 2016-03-30 at 13:21 -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
 > >
 > > On 03/30/2016 12:06 PM, Braden McDaniel wrote:
 > > > I have a fresh, updated install of Fedora 23 Server.  After
 > > > installation, I installed the "Basic Desktop" group.  Now, when I
try to
 > > > run startx, it fails with the error:
 > > >
 > > >  xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation
not permitted)
 > > >
 > > > Where should I look to diagnose/resolve this?  Could this be
related to
 > > > the fact that my home directories are NFS mounted?  (I have set the
 > > > use_nfs_home_dirs SELinux setting to "on".)
 > > >
 > > What AVC's are you seeing?
 > >
 > > ausearch -m avc -ts recent
 >
 > None, apparently:
 >
 > # ausearch -m avc -ts recent
 > 
 >
 > (I ran startx again just before doing that, just to be sure.)
 >

Rather than running startx as your user from a tty what is the result of
systemctl isolate graphical.target to move to the graphical interface
from the multi-user.target ?


This sure smells like some of the device drivers or utilities X needs
aren't installed. Can you try to install one of the normal desktop
environment groups, e.g.

dnf groupinstall "Xfce Desktop"

I'm just thinking that "Basic Desktop" is incomplete or is just a
metapackage that one of the other desktops needs and isn't "stand
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Re: Fedora 23 Server: can't startx

[James Hogarth]

On 31 Mar 2016 00:52, "Braden McDaniel"  wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2016-03-30 at 13:21 -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> >
> > On 03/30/2016 12:06 PM, Braden McDaniel wrote:
> > > I have a fresh, updated install of Fedora 23 Server.  After
> > > installation, I installed the "Basic Desktop" group.  Now, when I try
to
> > > run startx, it fails with the error:
> > >
> > >  xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation not
permitted)
> > >
> > > Where should I look to diagnose/resolve this?  Could this be related
to
> > > the fact that my home directories are NFS mounted?  (I have set the
> > > use_nfs_home_dirs SELinux setting to "on".)
> > >
> > What AVC's are you seeing?
> >
> > ausearch -m avc -ts recent
>
> None, apparently:
>
> # ausearch -m avc -ts recent
> 
>
> (I ran startx again just before doing that, just to be sure.)
>

Rather than running startx as your user from a tty what is the result of
systemctl isolate graphical.target to move to the graphical interface from
the multi-user.target ?
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Re: Fedora 23 Server: can't startx

[Braden McDaniel]

On Wed, 2016-03-30 at 13:21 -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> 
> On 03/30/2016 12:06 PM, Braden McDaniel wrote:
> > I have a fresh, updated install of Fedora 23 Server.  After
> > installation, I installed the "Basic Desktop" group.  Now, when I try to
> > run startx, it fails with the error:
> >
> >  xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation not 
> > permitted)
> >
> > Where should I look to diagnose/resolve this?  Could this be related to
> > the fact that my home directories are NFS mounted?  (I have set the
> > use_nfs_home_dirs SELinux setting to "on".)
> >
> What AVC's are you seeing?
> 
> ausearch -m avc -ts recent

None, apparently:

# ausearch -m avc -ts recent


(I ran startx again just before doing that, just to be sure.)

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Re: Fedora 23 Server: can't startx

[Daniel J Walsh]

On 03/30/2016 12:06 PM, Braden McDaniel wrote:

I have a fresh, updated install of Fedora 23 Server.  After
installation, I installed the "Basic Desktop" group.  Now, when I try to
run startx, it fails with the error:

 xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation not permitted)

Where should I look to diagnose/resolve this?  Could this be related to
the fact that my home directories are NFS mounted?  (I have set the
use_nfs_home_dirs SELinux setting to "on".)


What AVC's are you seeing?

ausearch -m avc -ts recent


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Re: Fedora 23 KDE spin / XEN / virt-manager and vmlinuz-4.3.3-301.fc23.x86_64

[Bill McGonigle]

On 01/18/2016 03:05 PM, Outback Dingo wrote:
> a recent update installed kernel-4.3.3 so i reset the xen efi 
> configuration, booted got into the desktop no problems. The issue
> arises when trying to launch vms from virt-manager, it always throws 
> a  virt-manager viewer connection to hypervisor host got refused or 
> disconnected.

If you were trying to launch more than 7 DomU's, you might have hit the
problem I did, which seems to be recently fixed:

 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=810472
 https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/12/16/455

Symptom was:
libxl: error: libxl_xshelp.c:134:libxl__xs_get_dompath: failed to get
dompath for 8: Bad file descriptor

I haven't verified that this patch went into
kernel-4.3.5-200.fc22.x86_64 in -testing, but it works for me when 4.3.4
caused all the xl tools to fail on creation of Dom #8.

4.3.3-4 only seem to work for seven Dom's or fewer.

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Re: Fedora 23 KDE Desktop sharing

[Rick Stevens]

On 02/10/2016 11:07 AM, Gary Baribault wrote:

Hello All,

 I've been running Fedore for years, and it used to be I could just
walk the menus and share my desktop. That doesn't seem to work any more.
I've googled until my fingers bled... I can get VNCServer up and running
but when I access it from another machine I get a desktop but it's a new
desktop. I want to access the existing desktop from another computer...

I know, it's dangerous, but my FW to the internet is a CentOS box with
SSH and to get to my desktop you need to ssh to my FW with proper
credentials, and forward a tunnel to my desktop and then log in there as
well, so I'm comfortable with the security.

So, how do I set it up to share the existing desktop?


You need to a) make sure you've installed the "tigervnc-server-module"
RPM (which provides the /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libvnc.so
module); and b) add the "vnc" module to X.

To do the latter, I have a file:

/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-system-setup-vnc.conf

that contains this content:

# This file was manually created by Rick Stevens
Section "Module"
Load "vnc"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Videocard0"
Option "SecurityTypes" "VncAuth"
Option "UserPasswdVerifier" "VncAuth"
Option "passwordfile" "/path/to/your/vncpasswd/file"
EndSection

Obviously, replace "/path/to/your/vncpasswd/file" with the appropriate
stuff (the double quotes MUST be there) and you'll need to create
that password file and password using

vncpasswd /path/to/your/vncpasswd/file

Then reboot and you SHOULD be able to just "vncviewer remotehostname",
enter the password you used for the "vncpasswd" command and the main
main desktop should appear (assuming your firewall permits incoming
connections for that port, typically TCP port 5900).

You can also tunnel the remote VNC session via ssh:

vncviewer --via user@hostname hostname

You'd need to put in the ssh password first, then the VNC password.
I do this to access my desktop at home (my firewall only permits
incoming ssh sessions from my office IP or my internal home network).

Alternately, you can use something like TeamViewer. It's up to you.
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Re: Fedora 23 KDE Desktop sharing

[Rex Dieter]

Gary Baribault wrote:

> Hello All,
> 
> I've been running Fedore for years, and it used to be I could just
> walk the menus and share my desktop. That doesn't seem to work any more.
> I've googled until my fingers bled... I can get VNCServer up and running
> but when I access it from another machine I get a desktop but it's a new
> desktop. I want to access the existing desktop from another computer...
> 
> I know, it's dangerous, but my FW to the internet is a CentOS box with
> SSH and to get to my desktop you need to ssh to my FW with proper
> credentials, and forward a tunnel to my desktop and then log in there as
> well, so I'm comfortable with the security.
> 
> So, how do I set it up to share the existing desktop?

The easiest way (imo) is probably to install and run krfb

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Re: Fedora 23 KDE Desktop sharing

[Gary Baribault]

You are a champ!!! Worked first time. Thanks and thanks to the community!

Gary B



On 10/02/16 03:02 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
> On 02/10/2016 11:07 AM, Gary Baribault wrote:
>> Hello All,
>>
>>  I've been running Fedore for years, and it used to be I could just
>> walk the menus and share my desktop. That doesn't seem to work any more.
>> I've googled until my fingers bled... I can get VNCServer up and running
>> but when I access it from another machine I get a desktop but it's a new
>> desktop. I want to access the existing desktop from another computer...
>>
>> I know, it's dangerous, but my FW to the internet is a CentOS box with
>> SSH and to get to my desktop you need to ssh to my FW with proper
>> credentials, and forward a tunnel to my desktop and then log in there as
>> well, so I'm comfortable with the security.
>>
>> So, how do I set it up to share the existing desktop?
>
> You need to a) make sure you've installed the "tigervnc-server-module"
> RPM (which provides the /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libvnc.so
> module); and b) add the "vnc" module to X.
>
> To do the latter, I have a file:
>
> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-system-setup-vnc.conf
>
> that contains this content:
>
> # This file was manually created by Rick Stevens
> Section "Module"
> Load "vnc"
> EndSection
>
> Section "Screen"
> Identifier "Screen0"
> Device "Videocard0"
> Option "SecurityTypes" "VncAuth"
> Option "UserPasswdVerifier" "VncAuth"
> Option "passwordfile" "/path/to/your/vncpasswd/file"
> EndSection
>
> Obviously, replace "/path/to/your/vncpasswd/file" with the appropriate
> stuff (the double quotes MUST be there) and you'll need to create
> that password file and password using
>
> vncpasswd /path/to/your/vncpasswd/file
>
> Then reboot and you SHOULD be able to just "vncviewer remotehostname",
> enter the password you used for the "vncpasswd" command and the main
> main desktop should appear (assuming your firewall permits incoming
> connections for that port, typically TCP port 5900).
>
> You can also tunnel the remote VNC session via ssh:
>
> vncviewer --via user@hostname hostname
>
> You'd need to put in the ssh password first, then the VNC password.
> I do this to access my desktop at home (my firewall only permits
> incoming ssh sessions from my office IP or my internal home network).
>
> Alternately, you can use something like TeamViewer. It's up to you.
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Re: Fedora 23 KDE Desktop sharing

[Rick Stevens]

On 02/10/2016 12:30 PM, Gary Baribault wrote:

You are a champ!!! Worked first time. Thanks and thanks to the community!


Glad to help!


On 10/02/16 03:02 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:

On 02/10/2016 11:07 AM, Gary Baribault wrote:

Hello All,

  I've been running Fedore for years, and it used to be I could just
walk the menus and share my desktop. That doesn't seem to work any more.
I've googled until my fingers bled... I can get VNCServer up and running
but when I access it from another machine I get a desktop but it's a new
desktop. I want to access the existing desktop from another computer...

I know, it's dangerous, but my FW to the internet is a CentOS box with
SSH and to get to my desktop you need to ssh to my FW with proper
credentials, and forward a tunnel to my desktop and then log in there as
well, so I'm comfortable with the security.

So, how do I set it up to share the existing desktop?


You need to a) make sure you've installed the "tigervnc-server-module"
RPM (which provides the /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libvnc.so
module); and b) add the "vnc" module to X.

To do the latter, I have a file:

 /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-system-setup-vnc.conf

that contains this content:

 # This file was manually created by Rick Stevens
 Section "Module"
 Load "vnc"
 EndSection

 Section "Screen"
 Identifier "Screen0"
 Device "Videocard0"
 Option "SecurityTypes" "VncAuth"
 Option "UserPasswdVerifier" "VncAuth"
 Option "passwordfile" "/path/to/your/vncpasswd/file"
 EndSection

Obviously, replace "/path/to/your/vncpasswd/file" with the appropriate
stuff (the double quotes MUST be there) and you'll need to create
that password file and password using

 vncpasswd /path/to/your/vncpasswd/file

Then reboot and you SHOULD be able to just "vncviewer remotehostname",
enter the password you used for the "vncpasswd" command and the main
main desktop should appear (assuming your firewall permits incoming
connections for that port, typically TCP port 5900).

You can also tunnel the remote VNC session via ssh:

 vncviewer --via user@hostname hostname

You'd need to put in the ssh password first, then the VNC password.
I do this to access my desktop at home (my firewall only permits
incoming ssh sessions from my office IP or my internal home network).

Alternately, you can use something like TeamViewer. It's up to you.

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Re: Fedora 23 will not boot if laptop lid closed

[Bob Marcan]

On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 09:38:31 +0800
Ed Greshko  wrote:

> On 01/16/16 20:25, Mike Wohlgemuth wrote:
> > I have an old laptop that I use as a home server, so it sits in the
> > corner closed most of the time.  Something changed with the last set of
> > updates I applied so now if I reboot, it suspends in the middle of the
> > boot process, and will not continue until I open the laptop, at which
> > point it will continue.  Is anyone else seeing this?  Is there a new
> > setting somewhere that I can change to get it to boot with the lid
> > closed?  
> 
> Not sure if this will fix it, but worth a try
> 
> Look in the file /etc/systemd/logind.conf and check to make sure that
> 
> HandleLidSwitch=ignore
> 
> is set.
> 
It works. Thinkpad R52, Fedora 23.
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Re: Fedora 23 will not boot if laptop lid closed

[Mike Wohlgemuth]

On Wed, 2016-01-20 at 09:38 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> 
> 
> Not sure if this will fix it, but worth a try
> 
> Look in the file /etc/systemd/logind.conf and check to make sure that
> 
> HandleLidSwitch=ignore
> 
> is set.
> 
Thanks!  That seems to have fixed it.  Reading up on the setting, I'm
now wondering why it was working the way I wanted before :/
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Re: Fedora 23 will not boot if laptop lid closed

[Ed Greshko]

On 01/16/16 20:25, Mike Wohlgemuth wrote:
> I have an old laptop that I use as a home server, so it sits in the
> corner closed most of the time.  Something changed with the last set of
> updates I applied so now if I reboot, it suspends in the middle of the
> boot process, and will not continue until I open the laptop, at which
> point it will continue.  Is anyone else seeing this?  Is there a new
> setting somewhere that I can change to get it to boot with the lid
> closed?

Not sure if this will fix it, but worth a try

Look in the file /etc/systemd/logind.conf and check to make sure that

HandleLidSwitch=ignore

is set.

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Re: Fedora 23 KDE spin / XEN / virt-manager and vmlinuz-4.3.3-301.fc23.x86_64

[Cole Robinson]

On 01/18/2016 03:05 PM, Outback Dingo wrote:
> So my environment
> 
> Fedora 23 KDE spin
> XEN-4.5.2 and kernel 4.2.8 booted via EFI where everything works fine using
> virt-manager to manage vms under XEN, all is good.
> 
> a recent update installed kernel-4.3.3 so i reset the xen efi configuration,
> booted got into the desktop no problems. The issue arises when trying to
> launch vms from virt-manager, it always throws a  virt-manager viewer
> connection to hypervisor host got refused or disconnected.
> 
> however, if i go back to using kernel 4.2.8 it all works fine. So there in
> lies the question, whats changed that is now preventing virt-manager from
> aunching vms properly.
> 
> Sorry for the cross post, just trying to find the answer. thanks in advance
> 
> 

I suggest filing a bug against xen. See if there's any different output in
dmesg, attach /var/log/libvirt/libxl/$your-vm-name.log, attach virt-manager
--debug output when reproducing

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Re: Fedora 23 KDE spin / XEN / virt-manager and vmlinuz-4.3.3-301.fc23.x86_64

[Outback Dingo]

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Cole Robinson  wrote:

> On 01/18/2016 03:05 PM, Outback Dingo wrote:
> > So my environment
> >
> > Fedora 23 KDE spin
> > XEN-4.5.2 and kernel 4.2.8 booted via EFI where everything works fine
> using
> > virt-manager to manage vms under XEN, all is good.
> >
> > a recent update installed kernel-4.3.3 so i reset the xen efi
> configuration,
> > booted got into the desktop no problems. The issue arises when trying to
> > launch vms from virt-manager, it always throws a  virt-manager viewer
> > connection to hypervisor host got refused or disconnected.
> >
> > however, if i go back to using kernel 4.2.8 it all works fine. So there
> in
> > lies the question, whats changed that is now preventing virt-manager from
> > aunching vms properly.
> >
> > Sorry for the cross post, just trying to find the answer. thanks in
> advance
> >
> >
>
> I suggest filing a bug against xen. See if there's any different output in
> dmesg, attach /var/log/libvirt/libxl/$your-vm-name.log, attach virt-manager
> --debug output when reproducing
>

Id be more inclined to think this is a kernel build issue and not a XEN
issue,
however... filing a bug with debug data attached could be helpful.



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Re: Fedora 23 KDE spin / XEN / virt-manager and vmlinuz-4.3.3-301.fc23.x86_64

[Cole Robinson]

On 01/19/2016 10:42 AM, Outback Dingo wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Cole Robinson  > wrote:
> 
> On 01/18/2016 03:05 PM, Outback Dingo wrote:
> > So my environment
> >
> > Fedora 23 KDE spin
> > XEN-4.5.2 and kernel 4.2.8 booted via EFI where everything works fine 
> using
> > virt-manager to manage vms under XEN, all is good.
> >
> > a recent update installed kernel-4.3.3 so i reset the xen efi 
> configuration,
> > booted got into the desktop no problems. The issue arises when trying to
> > launch vms from virt-manager, it always throws a  virt-manager viewer
> > connection to hypervisor host got refused or disconnected.
> >
> > however, if i go back to using kernel 4.2.8 it all works fine. So there 
> in
> > lies the question, whats changed that is now preventing virt-manager 
> from
> > aunching vms properly.
> >
> > Sorry for the cross post, just trying to find the answer. thanks in 
> advance
> >
> >
> 
> I suggest filing a bug against xen. See if there's any different output in
> dmesg, attach /var/log/libvirt/libxl/$your-vm-name.log, attach 
> virt-manager
> --debug output when reproducing
> 
> 
> Id be more inclined to think this is a kernel build issue and not a XEN issue,
> however... filing a bug with debug data attached could be helpful.

Xen has many of its own specific bits in the kernel. Filing against the xen
component is the best way to get xen guys to take a look, they will move it to
the kernel if necessary.

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Re: Fedora 23 KDE spin / XEN / virt-manager and vmlinuz-4.3.3-301.fc23.x86_64

[jd1008]

On 01/18/2016 01:05 PM, Outback Dingo wrote:

So my environment

Fedora 23 KDE spin
XEN-4.5.2 and kernel 4.2.8 booted via EFI where everything works fine 
using virt-manager to manage vms under XEN, all is good.


a recent update installed kernel-4.3.3 so i reset the xen efi 
configuration, booted got into the desktop no problems. The issue 
arises when trying to launch vms from virt-manager, it always throws 
a  virt-manager viewer connection to hypervisor host got refused or 
disconnected.


however, if i go back to using kernel 4.2.8 it all works fine. So 
there in lies the question, whats changed that is now preventing 
virt-manager from aunching vms properly.


Sorry for the cross post, just trying to find the answer. thanks in 
advance



Why don't you keep booting kernel 4.2.8 until the problem is resolved, 
possibly in the next update?

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Re: Fedora 23 KDE spin / XEN / virt-manager and vmlinuz-4.3.3-301.fc23.x86_64

[Outback Dingo]

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 9:12 PM, jd1008  wrote:

>
>
> On 01/18/2016 01:05 PM, Outback Dingo wrote:
>
>> So my environment
>>
>> Fedora 23 KDE spin
>> XEN-4.5.2 and kernel 4.2.8 booted via EFI where everything works fine
>> using virt-manager to manage vms under XEN, all is good.
>>
>> a recent update installed kernel-4.3.3 so i reset the xen efi
>> configuration, booted got into the desktop no problems. The issue arises
>> when trying to launch vms from virt-manager, it always throws a
>> virt-manager viewer connection to hypervisor host got refused or
>> disconnected.
>>
>> however, if i go back to using kernel 4.2.8 it all works fine. So there
>> in lies the question, whats changed that is now preventing virt-manager
>> from aunching vms properly.
>>
>> Sorry for the cross post, just trying to find the answer. thanks in
>> advance
>>
>>
>> Why don't you keep booting kernel 4.2.8 until the problem is resolved,
> possibly in the next update?


well, weve had 2 kernel updates 4.3.3-300 and 301... though id prefer to
know what the problem is, and resolv it, seeing this is a skylake, id
prefer to use a later kernel then the 4.2 series.



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Re: Fedora 23 KDE spin -- no desktop cube?

[Sudhir Khanger]

On Thursday 31 Dec 2015 4:29:45 PM ven...@billoblog.com wrote:
> 1) There's no desktop cube animation option.

There is. You have to enable Desktop Cube Animation in Desktop effects.

System Settings > Desktop Behavior > Desktop Effects > Virtual Desktop 
Switching Animation > Desktop Cube Animation.

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Re: Fedora 23 KDE spin -- Widgets falling through to wrong Activity?

[Sudhir Khanger]

On Thursday 31 Dec 2015 4:34:39 PM ven...@billoblog.com wrote:
> If this isn't the right forum, can someone tell me where I should post 
> this?

I would file a bug report at https://bugs.kde.org/.

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Re: Fedora 23 KDE spin -- no desktop cube?

[vendor]

On Thu, 31 Dec 2015, Sudhir Khanger wrote:


On Thursday 31 Dec 2015 4:29:45 PM ven...@billoblog.com wrote:

1) There's no desktop cube animation option.


There is. You have to enable Desktop Cube Animation in Desktop effects.

System Settings > Desktop Behavior > Desktop Effects > Virtual Desktop
Switching Animation > Desktop Cube Animation.



No, that's what's so surprising.  Under System Settings > Desktop Behavior
 >Desktop Effects > Virtual Desktop > Switching Animation

there are only

Fade Desktop and
Slide

as options.



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Re: Fedora 23 KDE spin -- no desktop cube?

[vendor]

On Thu, 31 Dec 2015, ven...@billoblog.com wrote:


On Thu, 31 Dec 2015, Sudhir Khanger wrote:


 On Thursday 31 Dec 2015 4:29:45 PM ven...@billoblog.com wrote:
>  1) There's no desktop cube animation option.

 There is. You have to enable Desktop Cube Animation in Desktop effects.

 System Settings > Desktop Behavior > Desktop Effects > Virtual Desktop
 Switching Animation > Desktop Cube Animation.



No, that's what's so surprising.  Under System Settings > Desktop Behavior
> Desktop Effects > Virtual Desktop > Switching Animation

there are only

Fade Desktop and
Slide

as options.



billo



Some more information.  I noticed that on the compositor settings I can 
only use "XRender".  Every time I try to change it to something else, it 
moves back.  If I set KWIN_COMPOSITE to Q for Wayland (F 23 uses Wayland, 
right?), then I'm allowed to choose OpenGL as the renderer, and it doesn't 
go away.  Then... Desktop Cube Animation option appears -- but just 
doesn't work.  If I set KWIN_COMPOSITE to O, it refuses to accept OpenGL.


I get this error message in messages:


Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: QDBusConnection: name 
'org.kde.kglobalaccel' had owner '' but we thought it was ':1.7'
Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: OpenGL vendor string: 
VMware, Inc.
Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: OpenGL renderer string: 
Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.7, 256 bits)
Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: OpenGL version string: 
2.1 Mesa 11.0.3 (git-b4bfea0)
Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: OpenGL shading language version string: 
1.30
Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: Driver: 
LLVMpipe
Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: GPU class: 
Unknown
Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: OpenGL version: 
2.1
Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: GLSL version: 
1.30
Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: Mesa version: 
11.0.3
Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: Linux kernel version: 
4.2.3
Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: Requires strict binding: 
yes
Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: GLSL shaders: 
yes
Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: Texture NPOT support: 
yes
Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: Virtual Machine: 
no
Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: kwin_core: OpenGL driver recommends 
XRender based compositing. Falling back to XRender.
Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: kwin_core: To overwrite the detection use 
the environment variable KWIN_COMPOSE
Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: kwin_core: For more information see 
http://community.kde.org/KWin/Environment_Variables#KWIN_COMPOSE
Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: kwin_core: Failed to initialize 
compositing, compositing disabled


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Re: Fedora 23 KDE spin -- no desktop cube?

[Sylvia Sánchez]

I can use, theoretically, any compositor. But other than Xrender turns my
laptop in a snail.
I have some effects selected but none of them works.
Mine is an Intel Atom netbook, just in case it's useful to know it.




Cheers,
Sylvia



On Thursday, 31 December 2015,  wrote:

> On Thu, 31 Dec 2015, ven...@billoblog.com wrote:
>
> On Thu, 31 Dec 2015, Sudhir Khanger wrote:
>>
>>  On Thursday 31 Dec 2015 4:29:45 PM ven...@billoblog.com wrote:
>>> >  1) There's no desktop cube animation option.
>>>
>>>  There is. You have to enable Desktop Cube Animation in Desktop effects.
>>>
>>>  System Settings > Desktop Behavior > Desktop Effects > Virtual Desktop
>>>  Switching Animation > Desktop Cube Animation.
>>>
>>>
>>> No, that's what's so surprising.  Under System Settings > Desktop
>> Behavior
>> > Desktop Effects > Virtual Desktop > Switching Animation
>>
>> there are only
>>
>> Fade Desktop and
>> Slide
>>
>> as options.
>>
>>
>>
>> billo
>>
>>
> Some more information.  I noticed that on the compositor settings I can
> only use "XRender".  Every time I try to change it to something else, it
> moves back.  If I set KWIN_COMPOSITE to Q for Wayland (F 23 uses Wayland,
> right?), then I'm allowed to choose OpenGL as the renderer, and it doesn't
> go away.  Then... Desktop Cube Animation option appears -- but just doesn't
> work.  If I set KWIN_COMPOSITE to O, it refuses to accept OpenGL.
>
> I get this error message in messages:
>
>
> Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: QDBusConnection: name
> 'org.kde.kglobalaccel' had owner '' but we thought it was ':1.7'
> Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: OpenGL vendor string: VMware, Inc.
> Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on
> llvmpipe (LLVM 3.7, 256 bits)
> Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 11.0.3
> (git-b4bfea0)
> Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: OpenGL shading language version string:
> 1.30
> Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: Driver: LLVMpipe
> Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: GPU class: Unknown
> Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: OpenGL version: 2.1
> Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: GLSL version: 1.30
> Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: Mesa version: 11.0.3
> Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: Linux kernel version: 4.2.3
> Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: Requires strict binding: yes
> Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: GLSL shaders: yes
> Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: Texture NPOT support: yes
> Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: Virtual Machine: no
> Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: kwin_core: OpenGL driver recommends
> XRender based compositing. Falling back to XRender.
> Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: kwin_core: To overwrite the detection use
> the environment variable KWIN_COMPOSE
> Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: kwin_core: For more information see
> http://community.kde.org/KWin/Environment_Variables#KWIN_COMPOSE
> Dec 30 21:20:19 localhost xinit: kwin_core: Failed to initialize
> compositing, compositing disabled
>
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Re: Fedora 23 and 4K monitors?

[Rikke D. Giles]

On 12/24/2015 06:32:07 AM, Justin Moore wrote:

> Thanks. Are the monitors using the DisplayPort and running at 60Hz?
> How many monitors and video cards does each system have?

I used the MHL ports for the Viewsonic VX2475's.  They are at 67.5Khz H and 30 
Hz V, pixel clock is 297.1 Mhz, according to the monitor's menu.  There is only 
one monitor and card per system.  However, one of the systems occasionally gets 
another monitor, a non-4K, added.  It does fine.

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Re: Fedora 23 and 4K monitors?

[Justin Moore]

>
> > I'm running Fedora
> > 23 with a GeForce 750 Ti card using the NVidia drivers.
>
> The very card I'm using at work with my Samsung U28D590 monitor
> and the display port output. (I never got the cheesy audio
> connection on the Samsung to work, but I don't really need it
> with speakers plugged into the computer directly).
>

Thanks. Which version of the nvidia drivers are you using? Do you ever have
problems where the monitor loses the displayport signal and you have to
power cycle the monitor and/or computer? It looks like the U28E590 is the
newer version of this monitor; is anyone at your work using that monitor,
or is it all the 'D' revision?

I've been able to get my monitor working over HDMI, but that only does 4K
at 30Hz, which looks pretty bad when trying to watch video. It'd be nice to
get a better refresh rate.

Thanks,
-jdm


>
> I keep hoping the nouveau drivers will work out of the box
> with the nvidia card someday, but I have to use the nvidia
> binary drivers for now to get anything other than a black
> screen.
>
> Fairly recently the rpmfusion.org drivers were updated, and
> I am able to use the rpmfusion drivers to get video these
> days.
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Re: Fedora 23 and 4K monitors?

[Tom Horsley]

On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 09:25:25 -0500
Justin Moore wrote:

> Thanks. Which version of the nvidia drivers are you using? Do you ever have
> problems where the monitor loses the displayport signal and you have to
> power cycle the monitor and/or computer? It looks like the U28E590 is the
> newer version of this monitor; is anyone at your work using that monitor,
> or is it all the 'D' revision?

There is a newer nvidia driver, but I'm using the akmod-nvidia-340xx
version from rpmfusion because that was the first version that appeared
on rpmfusion. The video is pretty much flawless, I've never seen any
problems that needed power cycling.

I think there is only one other 4K monitor around that was purchased
at about the same time, so I suspect it is the same D version.
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Re: Fedora 23 and 4K monitors?

[Tom Horsley]

On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 18:24:15 -0500
Justin Moore wrote:

> I'm running Fedora
> 23 with a GeForce 750 Ti card using the NVidia drivers.

The very card I'm using at work with my Samsung U28D590 monitor
and the display port output. (I never got the cheesy audio
connection on the Samsung to work, but I don't really need it
with speakers plugged into the computer directly).

I keep hoping the nouveau drivers will work out of the box
with the nvidia card someday, but I have to use the nvidia
binary drivers for now to get anything other than a black
screen.

Fairly recently the rpmfusion.org drivers were updated, and
I am able to use the rpmfusion drivers to get video these
days.
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Re: Fedora 23 and 4K monitors?

[Rikke D. Giles]

On 12/23/2015 03:24:15 PM, Justin Moore wrote:
> Does anyone have Fedora 23 working with a 4K monitor?

Yes, I just recently set up two systems with 4k monitors.  They are using 
Viewsonic VX2475 series monitors.   

> I'm running Fedora 23 with a GeForce 750 Ti card using the NVidia drivers. 
> Does anyone
> have a working 4K setup with this or similar hardware?

NVidia GeForce GTX980s are the video cards.  I used the NVidia drivers.  
Everything looks and works great.  Hope you get a working system soon!

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Re: Fedora 23 with KDE: black screen when logout

[Beartooth]

On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 19:54:25 +0100, Frédéric Bron wrote:

> I get a black screen when I logout from my Plasma session. What's wrong
> with F23 with KDE, nothing works as before?
> Are we obliged to use Gnome?

A whole passel of us have been using xfce for months if not 
years. (I still have at least some gnome -- my panels and my terminal -- 
but otherwise precious little.)

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Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]

[Joe Zeff]

On 11/25/2015 10:11 AM, Rick Stevens wrote:

I find lightdm to be pretty good and doesn't spawn off all the junk that
gdm does. I mean, if I'm not using gnome, why the hell does gdm insist
on spawning a resource-hogging gnome-shell when the beblistered thing
is never going to be used?


After I stopped using either Gnome or gdm, I tried removing gdm and 
learned that it had several dependencies that made no sense to me. 
After making sure that I wasn't using any of them, I let yum remove them 
all and never missed them.

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Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]

[Rick Stevens]

On 11/24/2015 07:17 PM, Jon LaBadie wrote:

On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 04:19:02PM +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Tue, 2015-11-24 at 09:41 +, Andrew R Paterson wrote:

...  most people assume that in order to change DE youi have to change DM!
The "slightly different capabilities" you describe are so slight as
make the whole idea of using multiple DMs a pointless exercise.


Not so. As I think I mentioned once already, I changed from SDDM back
to KDM because the former doesn't support automatically opening gnome-
keyring on login. This is not a crippling failure, but it is a real
annoyance.


You are not "using" multiple DMs, you have chosen to use one of several
DMs available.


I find lightdm to be pretty good and doesn't spawn off all the junk that
gdm does. I mean, if I'm not using gnome, why the hell does gdm insist
on spawning a resource-hogging gnome-shell when the beblistered thing
is never going to be used?


IMHO the systemd, journald and Gnome developers deserve a trip to the
woodshed. "targets?" "wants?" "units?" "services?" What the hell? These
are bloody awful, overly complex and bug-ridden implementations of
solutions for problems existed only in the developers' minds. How they
got adopted by the community is beyond me.

Hey, gang, just because you _can_ do something doesn't mean you
_should_ do it!

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Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]

[Mihuleac Sergiu]

Thanks for the info. So when i've installed kde with command $ dnf
groupinstall "KDE Plasma Workspaces", i couldn't use it, but after i've
removed it i've installed like this $ dnf install @kde-desktop
Then all worked well, the idea came from here
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KDE

I discovered that KDE was faster then gnome, and all the apps opened
faster and so on, and it was a big surprise for me, i wasn't expecting
it, but i removed it, because i did not liked the idea behind it, even
if gnome still have a lot of work in front of it, i prefer to be closer
to the cli. for me 1 screen isn't enough so gnome make's it very easy to
switch between them, i could also have shortcuts in kde to, but it
wouldn't be the same.
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Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]

[Jon LaBadie]

On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 04:19:02PM +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Tue, 2015-11-24 at 09:41 +, Andrew R Paterson wrote:
> > ...  most people assume that in order to change DE youi have to change DM!
> > The "slightly different capabilities" you describe are so slight as
> > make the whole idea of using multiple DMs a pointless exercise.
> 
> Not so. As I think I mentioned once already, I changed from SDDM back
> to KDM because the former doesn't support automatically opening gnome-
> keyring on login. This is not a crippling failure, but it is a real
> annoyance.

You are not "using" multiple DMs, you have chosen to use one of several
DMs available.

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Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]

[Bill Oliver]

On Mon, 23 Nov 2015, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:



I do it quite often. It does work, but you may find that some things
depend on which Desktop *Manager* you use (gdm, kdm, sddm, ...) as they
don't all support each other equally well. The specific manager you're
running (probably gdm for you) doesn't change just because you install
a new Desktop *Environment* but you can do it manually.

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I haven't switched to 23 yet, but I'll second that bit about choosing the right 
display manager as far as some previous releases go.  I used to play around 
with different desktops, and I found a significant difference is tiny bugs and 
performance when the right display manager was matched with the right desktop 
environment.

... though I have *never* gotten Enlightenment to work right in Fedora.


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Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]

[Sudhir Khanger]

On Tuesday 24 Nov 2015 10:37:48 PM you wrote:
> That page seems to suggest otherwise, that you've got to do an extra
> step in the command line.  That requires extra knowledge than just
> installing another desktop.  So they're in the same boat as us.

I think the command is triggered automatically when you install a new desktop 
environment so no there is no extras knowledge need to switch DM when doing a 
DE install.

I have not played with Ubuntu in a long time. I will have to do an install to 
be double sure of claims I am making. I will give it a try tomorrow.

Make sure you are replying to the list like you say in your long signature :).

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Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2015-11-24 at 09:41 +, Andrew R Paterson wrote:
> On Tuesday 24 November 2015 00:07:00 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Mon, 2015-11-23 at 19:23 +, Andrew R Paterson wrote:
> > > I must be missing the point here, but I have always found that
> > > after
> > > installing multiple desktops and leaving gdm as the login
> > > manager,
> > > when you
> > > are asked for the password on login there is a little gear cog
> > > icon
> > > which if
> > > you click on brings up a menu of the different desktops you have
> > > installed -
> > > for instance I have CDE, GNOME, KDE .
> > 
> > You're confusing Desktop Environment (DE) with Desktop Manager
> > (DM).
> > The DM handles the graphical login and other session stuff,
> > including
> > allowing you to select your DE, but the various DMs (gdm, kdm,
> > sddm,
> > ...) have slightly different capabilities.
> > 
> > poc
> I know that - but thats the problem! most people assume that in order
> to 
> change DE youi have to change DM!
> The "slightly different capabilities" you describe are so slight as
> make the 
> whole idea of using multiple DMs a pointless exercise.

Not so. As I think I mentioned once already, I changed from SDDM back
to KDM because the former doesn't support automatically opening gnome-
keyring on login. This is not a crippling failure, but it is a real
annoyance.

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Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]

[Andrew R Paterson]

On Tuesday 24 November 2015 00:07:00 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Mon, 2015-11-23 at 19:23 +, Andrew R Paterson wrote:
> > I must be missing the point here, but I have always found that after
> > installing multiple desktops and leaving gdm as the login manager,
> > when you
> > are asked for the password on login there is a little gear cog icon
> > which if
> > you click on brings up a menu of the different desktops you have
> > installed -
> > for instance I have CDE, GNOME, KDE .
> 
> You're confusing Desktop Environment (DE) with Desktop Manager (DM).
> The DM handles the graphical login and other session stuff, including
> allowing you to select your DE, but the various DMs (gdm, kdm, sddm,
> ...) have slightly different capabilities.
> 
> poc
I know that - but thats the problem! most people assume that in order to 
change DE youi have to change DM!
The "slightly different capabilities" you describe are so slight as make the 
whole idea of using multiple DMs a pointless exercise.
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Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]

[Andrew R Paterson]

On Tuesday 24 November 2015 02:27:58 Tim wrote:
> Tim:
> >> If I install two or more different desktops, which display manager
> >> should it enable by default, then?  Does it ask you that question?
> 
> Allegedly, on or about 23 November 2015, Paul Cartwright sent:
> > I switched from GDM to lightdm because I use mate and enlightenment.
> > They seem to like lightdm better.. It is easy to switch between them
> > using systemctl . Enable/disable.. I found the answer by googling
> > "how-to change GDM to lightdm" ..
> 
> That wasn't the point of my question, though.  Another person made a
> point that Ubuntu made it easier to install more than display manager.
> I was asking whether it also made it easier to use a particular one.
> Unless it asked you which one to use, as you installed more than one,
> then it doesn't really make it any easier.  You're still faced with the
> same problem - manually selecting the one you want, afterwards.

I must be missing the point here, but I have always found that after 
installing multiple desktops and leaving gdm as the login manager, when you 
are asked for the password on login there is a little gear cog icon which if 
you click on brings up a menu of the different desktops you have installed - 
for instance I have CDE, GNOME, KDE . 
However, I am running FC21, but as I say this gdm feature has been around for 
as long as I can remember.
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Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2015-11-23 at 12:45 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> 1.  Make sure the ConsoleKit package is installed.  If not, install
> it.

Does ConsoleKit still exist in F23?

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Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]

[Ed Greshko]

On 11/23/15 19:48, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Mon, 2015-11-23 at 12:45 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> 1.  Make sure the ConsoleKit package is installed.  If not, install
>> it.
> Does ConsoleKit still exist in F23?
>
>
Surprise, surprise.  Looks like not

I know that a simple "startx" seems to always start GNOME.

It looks like simply creating a ~/.xinitrc file containing "startkde" is 
sufficient in F23.

Thanks for checking.  Outdated knowledge is a dangerous thing.

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Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2015-11-23 at 00:38 +0200, Mihuleac Sergiu wrote:
> What happened is that when I chose to log into `KDE` my screens
> changes
> and the Desktop Background appears the just in a few second I'm back
> to
> the log in screen. No matter how many restarts or how many times i
> try
> the result is the same.
> 
> * Is the first time I tried to have multiple Desktop Environments on
> Fedora, is this something that happens often or is it because of
> fedora 23?

No.

> * And why wold this happen, all seems very straightforwards.
> * Should I make a [bug](https://bugzilla.redhat.com/) report and what
> should I write in it?
> * What is your experience in having multiple desktop environments on
> Fedora?

I do it quite often. It does work, but you may find that some things
depend on which Desktop *Manager* you use (gdm, kdm, sddm, ...) as they
don't all support each other equally well. The specific manager you're
running (probably gdm for you) doesn't change just because you install
a new Desktop *Environment* but you can do it manually.

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Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2015-11-23 at 20:27 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> 
> On 11/23/15 19:48, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Mon, 2015-11-23 at 12:45 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> > > 1.  Make sure the ConsoleKit package is installed.  If not,
> > > install
> > > it.
> > Does ConsoleKit still exist in F23?
> > 
> > 
> Surprise, surprise.  Looks like not
> 
> I know that a simple "startx" seems to always start GNOME.

I think that's because /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients
checks /etc/sysconfig/desktop which has Gnome as the default.

> It looks like simply creating a ~/.xinitrc file containing "startkde"
> is sufficient in F23.

I don't have a .xinitrc, despite running KDE. In fact I haven't
changed /etc/sysconfig/desktop either (though it might be worth
trying). So something is setting it up, I just haven't worked out
exactly what.

This stuff is just too encrusted with historical hangovers, scripts
calling scripts calling scripts ... that it's quite a challenge to
figure it out.

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Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]

[Sudhir Khanger]

On Monday 23 Nov 2015 11:54:51 AM Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> The specific manager you're
> running (probably gdm for you) doesn't change just because you install
> a new Desktop *Environment* but you can do it manually.

Ubuntu offers such convenience when installing multiple display manager as 
part of installation of another desktop environment. I wonder what stops 
Fedora from doing the same.

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Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]

[Ed Greshko]

On 11/23/15 21:12, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Mon, 2015-11-23 at 20:27 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> On 11/23/15 19:48, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>>> On Mon, 2015-11-23 at 12:45 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
 1.  Make sure the ConsoleKit package is installed.  If not,
 install
 it.
>>> Does ConsoleKit still exist in F23?
>>>
>>>
>> Surprise, surprise.  Looks like not
>>
>> I know that a simple "startx" seems to always start GNOME.
> I think that's because /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients
> checks /etc/sysconfig/desktop which has Gnome as the default.
>
>> It looks like simply creating a ~/.xinitrc file containing "startkde"
>> is sufficient in F23.
> I don't have a .xinitrc, despite running KDE. In fact I haven't
> changed /etc/sysconfig/desktop either (though it might be worth
> trying). So something is setting it up, I just haven't worked out
> exactly what.

Right, you wouldn't have one unless you created it since it certainly isn't 
needed when
one is using a Display Manager such as gdm, kdm, or sddm.
>
> This stuff is just too encrusted with historical hangovers, scripts
> calling scripts calling scripts ... that it's quite a challenge to
> figure it out.

Yeah.  Well at least I now know how to start a given DE from the console and 
runlevel 3 if
need be.



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Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]

[Ed Greshko]

On 11/24/15 00:29, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> What is needed is an easier way for the average user to be able to
> switch DMs without editing obscure config files.

Sometimes I wonder about how/if terminology is used/changed/confused.

Isn't a DM (Display Manager) the software supplying the GUI login?  Wouldn't 
that be gdm,
kdm, sddm, etc?

And, isn't the easy way to switch to issue "systemctl --force enable sddm" for 
example?

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Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2015-11-23 at 19:23 +, Andrew R Paterson wrote:
> I must be missing the point here, but I have always found that after 
> installing multiple desktops and leaving gdm as the login manager,
> when you 
> are asked for the password on login there is a little gear cog icon
> which if 
> you click on brings up a menu of the different desktops you have
> installed - 
> for instance I have CDE, GNOME, KDE . 

You're confusing Desktop Environment (DE) with Desktop Manager (DM).
The DM handles the graphical login and other session stuff, including
allowing you to select your DE, but the various DMs (gdm, kdm, sddm,
...) have slightly different capabilities.

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Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]

[P. Gueckel]

Mihuleac Sergiu wrote:

> Hi!
> ==
> 
> I have Fedora 23 installed... with the default Gnome 
3 Desktop Environment. I was thinking of trying
> multiple Desktop Environments, so...
> 
> I've installed `KDE` using `dnf groupinstall "KDE 
Plasma
> Workspaces"`
> 
> * What is your experience in having multiple desktop 
environments on
> Fedora?

This is exactly how I got KDE on Fedora 23. I had 
downloaded the workstation beta iso, burnt it to a DVD 
(I'm trying to use them up ;-) ), installed it and as 
soon as I was logged in to Gnome, the very first thing 
I did was to install KDE, just the way you did. I 
logged out and GDM showed me another option, called 
Plasma, I think, so I logged back in and that was 
about two months ago. I haven't had to use Gnome again 
(tips hat).

I have always installed both KDE and Gnome on Fedora, 
since I began using Fedora back when it was called Red 
Hat (5, to be precise). Having two desktop 
environments has saved my [you know the word] a few 
times, especially when I used to run updates-testing 
up until about 2 years ago, when I finally decided 
that I was just wasting a lot of time on test updates 
that never even made it to the regular repo.

Also, being curious, I like to see how the other half 
lives, even if I don't do so often LOL Yes, I am a 
committed KDEophile. Always have been.

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Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2015-11-24 at 05:55 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 11/24/15 00:29, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > What is needed is an easier way for the average user to be able to
> > switch DMs without editing obscure config files.
> 
> Sometimes I wonder about how/if terminology is used/changed/confused.
> 
> Isn't a DM (Display Manager) the software supplying the GUI login? 
> Wouldn't that be gdm,
> kdm, sddm, etc?
> 
> And, isn't the easy way to switch to issue "systemctl --force enable
> sddm" for example?

Yes, it is now. For a long time it wasn't. I had forgotten about the
change as I already mentioned in an earlier reply.

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Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]

[Tim]

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> The specific manager you're running (probably gdm for you) doesn't change
>> just because you install a new Desktop *Environment* but you can do
>> it manually.

Sudhir Khanger:
> Ubuntu offers such convenience when installing multiple display manager as 
> part of installation of another desktop environment. I wonder what stops 
> Fedora from doing the same.

If I install two or more different desktops, which display manager
should it enable by default, then?  Does it ask you that question?

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Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]

[Paul Cartwright]

I switched from GDM to lightdm because I use mate and enlightenment. They seem 
to like lightdm better.. It is easy to switch between them using systemctl . 
Enable/disable.. I found the answer by googling "how-to change GDM to lightdm" 
.. 

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> On Nov 23, 2015, at 10:11 AM, Tim  wrote:
> 
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>>> The specific manager you're running (probably gdm for you) doesn't change
>>> just because you install a new Desktop *Environment* but you can do
>>> it manually.
> 
> Sudhir Khanger:
>> Ubuntu offers such convenience when installing multiple display manager as 
>> part of installation of another desktop environment. I wonder what stops 
>> Fedora from doing the same.
> 
> If I install two or more different desktops, which display manager
> should it enable by default, then?  Does it ask you that question?
> 
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Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]

[Tim]

Tim:
>> If I install two or more different desktops, which display manager
>> should it enable by default, then?  Does it ask you that question?
 

Allegedly, on or about 23 November 2015, Paul Cartwright sent:
> I switched from GDM to lightdm because I use mate and enlightenment.
> They seem to like lightdm better.. It is easy to switch between them
> using systemctl . Enable/disable.. I found the answer by googling
> "how-to change GDM to lightdm" .. 

That wasn't the point of my question, though.  Another person made a
point that Ubuntu made it easier to install more than display manager.
I was asking whether it also made it easier to use a particular one.
Unless it asked you which one to use, as you installed more than one,
then it doesn't really make it any easier.  You're still faced with the
same problem - manually selecting the one you want, afterwards.

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Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]

[Sudhir Khanger]

On Tuesday 24 Nov 2015 1:41:31 AM Tim wrote:
> If I install two or more different desktops, which display manager
> should it enable by default, then?  Does it ask you that question?

Yes, it does.

http://www.webupd8.org/2011/07/how-to-switch-between-gdm-lightdm-or.html

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7OeURvtWD5A/TjEX-vzjwpI/Fiw/tvHNkDzA-XY/change_display_manager_ubuntu.png

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Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2015-11-23 at 10:18 -0500, Paul Cartwright wrote:
> I switched from GDM to lightdm because I use mate and enlightenment.
> They seem to like lightdm better.. It is easy to switch between them
> using systemctl . Enable/disable.. I found the answer by googling
> "how-to change GDM to lightdm" .. 

Of course. I had forgotten that's what I did when switching from SDDM
back to KDM (because SDDM doesn't support gnome-keyring).

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Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2015-11-23 at 19:25 +0530, Sudhir Khanger wrote:
> On Monday 23 Nov 2015 11:54:51 AM Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > The specific manager you're
> > running (probably gdm for you) doesn't change just because you
> > install
> > a new Desktop *Environment* but you can do it manually.
> 
> Ubuntu offers such convenience when installing multiple display
> manager as 
> part of installation of another desktop environment. I wonder what
> stops 
> Fedora from doing the same.

It does install the other DM (assuming it's part of the package group,
which it generally is). However it doesn't automatically select the new
one for you, which in general would be a bad idea.

What is needed is an easier way for the average user to be able to
switch DMs without editing obscure config files. Maybe some day we'll
all use the One True Desktop Manager, but this is Linux so it's never
going to happen.

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Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]

[Timothy Murphy]

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

> What is needed is an easier way for the average user to be able to
> switch DMs without editing obscure config files.

I see I have 
  DESKTOP="KDE"
  DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"
in /etc/etc/sysconfig/desktop
(after installing Fedora-23/KDE from a LiveUSB stick).
That doesn't seem too complicated,
assuming it actually does the trick.



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Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2015-11-23 at 16:43 +, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> 
> > What is needed is an easier way for the average user to be able to
> > switch DMs without editing obscure config files.
> 
> I see I have 
>   DESKTOP="KDE"
>   DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"
> in /etc/etc/sysconfig/desktop
> (after installing Fedora-23/KDE from a LiveUSB stick).
> That doesn't seem too complicated,
> assuming it actually does the trick.

As I mentioned earlier, I have this file with GNOME as the default, but
it's ignored. It used to be the canonical way to set up a DM, but in
Fedora this is now done through systemd (as is everything else ...)

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Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]

[Ed Greshko]

On 11/23/15 06:38, Mihuleac Sergiu wrote:
> Hi!
> ==
>
> I have Fedora 23 installed on a [Lenovo
> E540](http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/e-series/e540/#tab-tech_specs)
> with the default Gnome 3 Desktop Environment. I was thinking of trying
> multiple Desktop Environments, so that I might see what are thee new
> breakthroughs. Basically I'm using Gnome for a long time.
>
> What better way to try a new interface then just installing it along
> Gnome 3? So I've installed `KDE` using `dnf groupinstall "KDE Plasma
> Workspaces"` I was very surprised to find out that after the reboot
> `KDE` wold not work ...
>
> What happened is that when I chose to log into `KDE` my screens changes
> and the Desktop Background appears the just in a few second I'm back to
> the log in screen. No matter how many restarts or how many times i try
> the result is the same.
>
> * Is the first time I tried to have multiple Desktop Environments on
> Fedora, is this something that happens often or is it because of fedora 23?
> * And why wold this happen, all seems very straightforwards.
> * Should I make a [bug](https://bugzilla.redhat.com/) report and what
> should I write in it?
> * What is your experience in having multiple desktop environments on
> Fedora?

I have had no issues to add additional DEs.  I have started with only GNOME and 
added KDE
and I've started with only KDE and added GNOME.  You can try the following to 
see if any
errors are showing.

1.  Make sure the ConsoleKit package is installed.  If not, install it.

2.  Create a ~/.xinitrc which contains

ck-launch-session dbus-launch --exit-with-session startkde

3.  Reboot your system to runlevel 3

4.  Login from the console and issue "startx".




I've not encountered the issue you're seeing.  What I would do is boot the 
system to
runlevel 3 then login and see what happens when you use the command "
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Re: Fedora 23 with KDE: black screen when logout

[P. Gueckel]

Frédéric Bron wrote:

> I get a black screen when I logout from my Plasma 
session.

Did you wait long enough? I have noticed that it can 
take a while before the display manager is relaunched 
(in my case gdm), although it has gotten pretty smooth 
in the recent past.

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Re: Fedora 23 with KDE: black screen when logout

[Frédéric Bron]

> Did you wait long enough? I have noticed that it can
> take a while before the display manager is relaunched
> (in my case gdm), although it has gotten pretty smooth
> in the recent past.

more than 1 minute.

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Re: Fedora 23 and VirtualBox: VBox Guest Additions not working properly

[Klaus-Peter Schrage]

Am 05.11.2015 um 16:41 schrieb SternData:

On 11/05/2015 09:11 AM, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote:

I have just upgraded to 23 from 22 in a virtual machine using dnf as
decribed in the Fedora Wiki, which went rather smoothly for me.

After manually installing the Guest Additions, the features "seemless
windows" and "automatic resize of the guest desktop" don't work (the
respective options in the views menu are greyed out).

The VBox kernel modules are built ok, but I get a warning saying:
"unsupported pre-release version of X.Org server installed. Not
installing the X.Org drivers."

The X log says that there is X.Org X Server 1.17.99.902 installed, which
*is* a pre-release. I guess downgrading might cure the problem, but how?

Any advice from the wise persons on this list would be greatly 
appreciated.



Are you using VirtualBox from the virtualbox repos or from rpmfusion? 
I'm using the VirtualBox repo version (Oracle version) and it's 
working for me.
I am using the VBox repo version as well (to be precise: 
VirtualBox-5.0-5.0.8_103449_fedora22-1.x86_64).

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Re: Fedora 23 and VirtualBox: VBox Guest Additions not working properly

[Klaus-Peter Schrage]

Am 05.11.2015 um 17:00 schrieb Klaus-Peter Schrage:

Am 05.11.2015 um 16:41 schrieb SternData:

On 11/05/2015 09:11 AM, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote:

I have just upgraded to 23 from 22 in a virtual machine using dnf as
decribed in the Fedora Wiki, which went rather smoothly for me.

After manually installing the Guest Additions, the features "seemless
windows" and "automatic resize of the guest desktop" don't work (the
respective options in the views menu are greyed out).

The VBox kernel modules are built ok, but I get a warning saying:
"unsupported pre-release version of X.Org server installed. Not
installing the X.Org drivers."

The X log says that there is X.Org X Server 1.17.99.902 installed, 
which
*is* a pre-release. I guess downgrading might cure the problem, but 
how?


Any advice from the wise persons on this list would be greatly 
appreciated.



Are you using VirtualBox from the virtualbox repos or from rpmfusion? 
I'm using the VirtualBox repo version (Oracle version) and it's 
working for me.
I am using the VBox repo version as well (to be precise: 
VirtualBox-5.0-5.0.8_103449_fedora22-1.x86_64).


FWIW, I found how to downgrade X.Org-server to version 1.17 here:
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=306929

It's just:
# dnf --showduplicates --allowerasing --releasever=22 downgrade 
xorg-x11-server-Xorg
After doing so and manually installing the VBox Additions again, they 
work as expected.


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Re: Fedora 23 and VirtualBox: VBox Guest Additions not working properly

[SternData]

On 11/05/2015 09:11 AM, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote:

I have just upgraded to 23 from 22 in a virtual machine using dnf as
decribed in the Fedora Wiki, which went rather smoothly for me.

After manually installing the Guest Additions, the features "seemless
windows" and "automatic resize of the guest desktop" don't work (the
respective options in the views menu are greyed out).

The VBox kernel modules are built ok, but I get a warning saying:
"unsupported pre-release version of X.Org server installed. Not
installing the X.Org drivers."

The X log says that there is X.Org X Server 1.17.99.902 installed, which
*is* a pre-release. I guess downgrading might cure the problem, but how?

Any advice from the wise persons on this list would be greatly appreciated.


Are you using VirtualBox from the virtualbox repos or from rpmfusion? 
I'm using the VirtualBox repo version (Oracle version) and it's working 
for me.


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