Re: weird F12 printing problem
On Tue, 2010-02-16 at 14:01 +1030, Tim wrote: fred smith: It's NOT a shared printer. it is attached to the LAN with its own IP address. Aaron Konstam: Even so it needs to shared on the server that is distributing its services to the rest of the machines. Or are you connecting it to each computer independently. No, that's not how such network printers work. They are their own network device, their own print server. They don't need to have a host computer. They don't have to but they should to avoid headaches. -- === Psychiatry is the care of the id by the odd. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: weird F12 printing problem
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 09:08:40AM -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Mon, 2010-02-15 at 20:32 -0500, fred smith wrote: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 05:46:25PM -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Mon, 2010-02-15 at 11:20 -0500, fred smith wrote: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 04:12:54PM +, Tim Waugh wrote: On Mon, 2010-02-15 at 04:07 -0800, Mike Cloaked wrote: I don't know if this will help but sometimes I have found that a printer seems to be shared according to the Fedora printer admin interface but does not work - in this situation going to localhost:631 in a browser and selecting that the printer concerned is published as a shared printer usually sorts this out for me. For a CUPS printer to be usable by another machine, you need: 1. the printer to be marked as 'Shared' (the Printer- Shared checkbox) 2. the CUPS server to 'Publish shared printers' (Server- Settings...- Public shared printers connected to this system) 3. the firewall settings on the server to allow 'Network Printing Server' 4. the firewall settings on the client to allow 'Network Printing Client' Tim. */ It's NOT a shared printer. it is attached to the LAN with its own IP address. Even so it needs to shared on the server that is distributing its services to the rest of the machines. Or are you connecting it to each computer independently. In my opinion that is a bad idea and can cause the problem you report. It only needs to be shared if all the other computers are printing via that share. Since they AREN'T, it doesn't need to be shared. the printer supports lpd, ipp/http, jetdirect, and probably a handful of other printing protocols, so it contains its own spool manager and works just peachy when all computers print directly to it. But as you report it does not run peachy from one machine. I agree the printer can be printed to directly. I am just saying it sometimes causes problems as you have reported. In my opinion even on a home LAN having one of you machines as a print server is a good idea. I have done it your way and caused a big mess. The biggest problem with your approach is that when the printer environment is done your way configurations on all the machines have to be changed rather than only on one server machine. that's true. it's a two-sided coin here: one way requires every machine to be tweaked if I change printers; the other way makes all printing depend on a single machine being up and working. I chose one side of the coin rather than the other. In a larger environment I might have gone the other way. as it is it's no more than six(-ish) computers. it spends about 99.999% of its time sitting idle. we don't print much here, and I doubt we've ever had two different systems printing to it at the same time. but even if we did, it would be expected to work fine, given its internal print spooling implementations. -- === If we see the light at the end of the tunnel, it's the light of an oncoming train. -- Robert Lowell === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us - The Lord is like a strong tower. Those who do what is right can run to him for safety. --- Proverbs 18:10 (niv) - -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: weird F12 printing problem
On 02/16/2010 09:10 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Tue, 2010-02-16 at 14:01 +1030, Tim wrote: No, that's not how such network printers work. They are their own network device, their own print server. They don't need to have a host computer. They don't have to but they should to avoid headaches. Not really - you avoid one possible headache, but introduce another one. If the network printer has a built-in print server, and I would expect it to, it will easily handle being fed more then one job at a time. Depending on the amount of memory it has, it may be able to spool more then one job at a time. When you get into the larger commercial printers, then can handle spooling many jobs at the same time, with a different print queue for different paper trays, or different types of paper. Remember, most machines have a local print queue now days, and adding another machine to act as a print server adds another failure point and increases network traffic. This is one of those questions that the answer is It depends on your needs, and how you use your network. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: weird F12 printing problem
On Sat, 2010-02-13 at 22:49 -0500, fred smith wrote: going thru the configuration on the one that fails, when I enter the IP address and the queue name then click the verify button it immediately reports this print share is accessible, yet after completing the configuration, printing a test page fails as described above. Use the printing troubleshooter: Help-Troubleshoot from the main window of the Printing application. Tim. */ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: weird F12 printing problem
Tim Waugh wrote: On Sat, 2010-02-13 at 22:49 -0500, fred smith wrote: going thru the configuration on the one that fails, when I enter the IP address and the queue name then click the verify button it immediately reports this print share is accessible, yet after completing the configuration, printing a test page fails as described above. Use the printing troubleshooter: Help-Troubleshoot from the main window of the Printing application. I don't know if this will help but sometimes I have found that a printer seems to be shared according to the Fedora printer admin interface but does not work - in this situation going to localhost:631 in a browser and selecting that the printer concerned is published as a shared printer usually sorts this out for me. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- View this message in context: http://n3.nabble.com/weird-F12-printing-problem-tp206206p208799.html Sent from the Fedora Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: weird F12 printing problem
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 04:12:54PM +, Tim Waugh wrote: On Mon, 2010-02-15 at 04:07 -0800, Mike Cloaked wrote: I don't know if this will help but sometimes I have found that a printer seems to be shared according to the Fedora printer admin interface but does not work - in this situation going to localhost:631 in a browser and selecting that the printer concerned is published as a shared printer usually sorts this out for me. For a CUPS printer to be usable by another machine, you need: 1. the printer to be marked as 'Shared' (the Printer- Shared checkbox) 2. the CUPS server to 'Publish shared printers' (Server- Settings...- Public shared printers connected to this system) 3. the firewall settings on the server to allow 'Network Printing Server' 4. the firewall settings on the client to allow 'Network Printing Client' Tim. */ It's NOT a shared printer. it is attached to the LAN with its own IP address. I ran the troubleshooter and it did not turn up anything helpful. every computer in the house as well as a couple of laptops all print to it as an IPP printer, successfully (from various versions of LInux and also from Windoze XP). Only this one F12 installation has trouble using it as an IPP printer. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us - For him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy--to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen. - Jude 1:24,25 (niv) - -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: weird F12 printing problem
On Mon, 2010-02-15 at 11:20 -0500, fred smith wrote: I ran the troubleshooter and it did not turn up anything helpful. Did it give you the opportunity to save some diagnostic information at the end? That would have been useful to see, as there might well have been an error message logged that explains the problem. Tim. */ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: weird F12 printing problem
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 08:51:16AM -0800, Mike Cloaked wrote: fred smith wrote: It's NOT a shared printer. it is attached to the LAN with its own IP address. I ran the troubleshooter and it did not turn up anything helpful. every computer in the house as well as a couple of laptops all print to it as an IPP printer, successfully (from various versions of LInux and also from Windoze XP). Only this one F12 installation has trouble using it as an IPP printer. Is all your other networking running ok in the F12 running in the VM - i.e. can you make other calls out from f12 to the outside world via the host's nic? I still presume that port 631 needs to be forwarded through to the f12 os running in the VM - maybe this is a problem with networking from the vm? Is the nic bridged or natted to the VM?? It's bridged. everything else we've tried works, e.g., firefox, ssh. I explicitly opened 631 in the firewall and when that didn't help I completely disabled the firewall, which still didn't help. weird thing is that (as I said in the original posting, but which seems to have been deleted by someone else before this branch/thread appeared) is that it works FINE if I set it up as a jetdirect (port 9100) printer. -- --- Under no circumstances will I ever purchase anything offered to me as the result of an unsolicited e-mail message. Nor will I forward chain letters, petitions, mass mailings, or virus warnings to large numbers of others. This is my contribution to the survival of the online community. --Roger Ebert, December, 1996 - The Boulder Pledge - -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: weird F12 printing problem
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 04:44:11PM +, Tim Waugh wrote: On Mon, 2010-02-15 at 11:20 -0500, fred smith wrote: I ran the troubleshooter and it did not turn up anything helpful. Did it give you the opportunity to save some diagnostic information at the end? That would have been useful to see, as there might well have been an error message logged that explains the problem. don't recall that. hafta try it. -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us Do you not know? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary, and his understanding no one can fathom. - Isaiah 40:28 (niv) - -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: weird F12 printing problem
On Mon, 2010-02-15 at 11:20 -0500, fred smith wrote: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 04:12:54PM +, Tim Waugh wrote: On Mon, 2010-02-15 at 04:07 -0800, Mike Cloaked wrote: I don't know if this will help but sometimes I have found that a printer seems to be shared according to the Fedora printer admin interface but does not work - in this situation going to localhost:631 in a browser and selecting that the printer concerned is published as a shared printer usually sorts this out for me. For a CUPS printer to be usable by another machine, you need: 1. the printer to be marked as 'Shared' (the Printer- Shared checkbox) 2. the CUPS server to 'Publish shared printers' (Server- Settings...- Public shared printers connected to this system) 3. the firewall settings on the server to allow 'Network Printing Server' 4. the firewall settings on the client to allow 'Network Printing Client' Tim. */ It's NOT a shared printer. it is attached to the LAN with its own IP address. Even so it needs to shared on the server that is distributing its services to the rest of the machines. Or are you connecting it to each computer independently. In my opinion that is a bad idea and can cause the problem you report. I ran the troubleshooter and it did not turn up anything helpful. every computer in the house as well as a couple of laptops all print to it as an IPP printer, successfully (from various versions of LInux and also from Windoze XP). Only this one F12 installation has trouble using it as an IPP printer. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us - For him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy--to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen. - Jude 1:24,25 (niv) - -- === Windows 95 has been operating for 2 hours, 32 minutes. No errors reported. CALL GUINESS BOOK OF WORLD RECORDS NOW! === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: weird F12 printing problem
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 05:46:25PM -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Mon, 2010-02-15 at 11:20 -0500, fred smith wrote: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 04:12:54PM +, Tim Waugh wrote: On Mon, 2010-02-15 at 04:07 -0800, Mike Cloaked wrote: I don't know if this will help but sometimes I have found that a printer seems to be shared according to the Fedora printer admin interface but does not work - in this situation going to localhost:631 in a browser and selecting that the printer concerned is published as a shared printer usually sorts this out for me. For a CUPS printer to be usable by another machine, you need: 1. the printer to be marked as 'Shared' (the Printer- Shared checkbox) 2. the CUPS server to 'Publish shared printers' (Server- Settings...- Public shared printers connected to this system) 3. the firewall settings on the server to allow 'Network Printing Server' 4. the firewall settings on the client to allow 'Network Printing Client' Tim. */ It's NOT a shared printer. it is attached to the LAN with its own IP address. Even so it needs to shared on the server that is distributing its services to the rest of the machines. Or are you connecting it to each computer independently. In my opinion that is a bad idea and can cause the problem you report. It only needs to be shared if all the other computers are printing via that share. Since they AREN'T, it doesn't need to be shared. the printer supports lpd, ipp/http, jetdirect, and probably a handful of other printing protocols, so it contains its own spool manager and works just peachy when all computers print directly to it. it spends about 99.999% of its time sitting idle. we don't print much here, and I doubt we've ever had two different systems printing to it at the same time. but even if we did, it would be expected to work fine, given its internal print spooling implementations. I ran the troubleshooter and it did not turn up anything helpful. every computer in the house as well as a couple of laptops all print to it as an IPP printer, successfully (from various versions of LInux and also from Windoze XP). Only this one F12 installation has trouble using it as an IPP printer. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us - For him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy--to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen. - Jude 1:24,25 (niv) - -- === Windows 95 has been operating for 2 hours, 32 minutes. No errors reported. CALL GUINESS BOOK OF WORLD RECORDS NOW! === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us - The Lord is like a strong tower. Those who do what is right can run to him for safety. --- Proverbs 18:10 (niv) - -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: weird F12 printing problem
fred smith: It's NOT a shared printer. it is attached to the LAN with its own IP address. Aaron Konstam: Even so it needs to shared on the server that is distributing its services to the rest of the machines. Or are you connecting it to each computer independently. No, that's not how such network printers work. They are their own network device, their own print server. They don't need to have a host computer. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
