Re: Reverse E-Mail Blockage.....
On 01/02/2014 12:12 AM, David wrote: Good luck and have fun. Like I said*I* started with Gmail. That filters the emails*before* they get downloaded to my email client. Yes but GMail *also* filters before your filters. So, you dont know what is filtered (as you dont receive it), wether it's false positive or not. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Reverse E-Mail Blockage.....
On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 15:32:49 +0300 Mihamina Rakotomandimby miham...@rktmb.org wrote: On 01/02/2014 12:12 AM, David wrote: Good luck and have fun. Like I said*I* started with Gmail. That filters the emails*before* they get downloaded to my email client. Yes but GMail *also* filters before your filters. So, you dont know what is filtered (as you dont receive it), wether it's false positive or not. You can stop gmail filering spam if you want. ___ Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Reverse E-Mail Blockage.....
On 1/2/2014 7:32 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: On 01/02/2014 12:12 AM, David wrote: Good luck and have fun. Like I said *I* started with Gmail. That filters the emails *before* they get downloaded to my email client. Yes but GMail *also* filters before your filters. So, you dont know what is filtered (as you dont receive it), wether it's false positive or not. That's the point isn't it? To not waste time downlowding trash to delete? The emails marked as spam by Gmail are stored in the 'spam folder' aces sable from your account. You have access to it and, if it a false positive' you can change it. However, as with 'many things Linux ' some of us tend to make really simple tasks into major projects. :-) -- David -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Reverse E-Mail Blockage.....
On 01/02/2014 05:32 PM, David wrote: The emails marked as spam by Gmail are stored in the 'spam folder' aces sable from your account Can you assume Google stores *all* the messages your are recipient in the SPAM folder? With 0 messages discarded? I wouldn't. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Reverse E-Mail Blockage.....
On 1/2/2014 9:36 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: On 01/02/2014 05:32 PM, David wrote: The emails marked as spam by Gmail are stored in the 'spam folder' aces sable from your account Can you assume Google stores *all* the messages your are recipient in the SPAM folder? With 0 messages discarded? I wouldn't. They are stored for 30 days. Any spam that hts today, Jan o2, will there for 30 days. The same for spam on Jan 03. There for 30 days. May I ask how often you check your local spam folder? Surely as often as that? Once on a weekend is what I follow. It might take 5 minutes. Gmail only filters for spam if you want it to do so. On or off. -- David -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Reverse E-Mail Blockage.....
On 12/30/2013 04:07 PM, David wrote: On 12/30/2013 4:00 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor wrote: On 12/30/2013 08:48 AM, Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 30 December 2013, Mihamina Rakotomandimby sent: SPAM is very subjective. I saw users subscribing to several newsletters for an event (say XMas) and then in February they're too lazy to cleanly unsubscribe: they just tag the message as SPAM, and they argue it's SPAM because they dont want to receive the messages anymore. Dumb, but true. I've seen that often enough. When the this is spam button simply configures their own software, it's merely a dumb thing to do. But when their mail client's spam button *reports* the message as spam, it causes problems for the senders, who did nothing wrong. I'm not doing that though, I don't intentionally sign-up for anything and the deliberately mark it as spam when I'm no longer interested. Every mailing list I've joined I have a genuine interest in, or it's a hobby of mine..(PremierGuitar.com.GuitarFetish.com...etc) I see no real way that my email address got out TO the people who are using it as a spam receptacle! All I want is for the mail that I have no intention of reading to be sent either to my spam folder...or else the trash! I guess for now it'll have to be me adding addresses to my filter, until I can get a handle on the Spam Assassin thing..or else I might have to just block everything..and then create filters for the stuff I DO want! but one way or the other...I intend on handling this spam issue before the end of the year!! Thank you all for your input...some of those ideas I'm definitely going to try out.heck ANYTHING'S better than being strapped to your computer for hours at a time! EGO II I see that you are using Thunderbird. You do know that TBird has a built in Spam feature? It is named Junk in the account settings for each account. I have it on...and I would hope its working...but its just seems to me that a LOT of spam is getting inI dunno. I think I will be looking into Spam Assassin for TB,...and will be customizing my Message Filters...make some customized rules for this and then let it run. might even create a new email account and only use it for the mailing lists here and at CEntOSthanks for all the infoadvice...etc. And happy New Year Everyone!! EGO II -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Reverse E-Mail Blockage.....
On 1/1/2014 1:31 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: On 12/30/2013 04:07 PM, David wrote: I have it on...and I would hope its working...but its just seems to me that a LOT of spam is getting inI dunno. I think I will be looking into Spam Assassin for TB,...and will be customizing my Message Filters...make some customized rules for this and then let it run. might even create a new email account and only use it for the mailing lists here and at CEntOSthanks for all the infoadvice...etc. And happy New Year Everyone!! EGO II Like all spam filters, that I know of, you have to train it. You have to mark emails as spam that you consider spam. Thunderbird and Junk / Spam Messages https://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/thunderbird-and-junk-spam-messages You have a Gmail address and they have a filter system too. But you also have to 'tweak' it from time to time. Spam Assassin would be the same way I would think. I do not know of any spam filter program that already knows what email that *you* consider to be spam. Like virus scanners they look for patterns. My suggestion, what I do, is to train Gmail as to what is spam. That way you don't even download it. As for TBird message filters. Those are designed to move messages that you want from your inbox to various folders. This message, for me, goes to account_name/Inbox/Fedora/Users To try to do that with all of the My suggestion, what I do, is to train Gmail as to what is spam. That way you don't even download it.am that you say that you get would drive you crazy. :-) -- David -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Reverse E-Mail Blockage.....
On Wed, Jan 01, 2014 at 02:06:41PM -0500, David wrote: Like all spam filters, that I know of, you have to train it. You have to mark emails as spam that you consider spam. Yep. Spam Assassin would be the same way I would think. I do not know of any spam filter program that already knows what email that *you* consider to be spam. Like virus scanners they look for patterns. Yes. It learns pretty quickly; feed it the probably spam and almost certainly spam files at first; eventually all you'll have to add is what has slipped through. If you don't want to get into system-wide spam scanning, and/or don't want to get into the complexities of Spam Assassin, you can get a pretty good Baysean filter with PopFILE for Linux. As for TBird message filters. Those are designed to move messages that you want from your inbox to various folders. This message, for me, goes to account_name/Inbox/Fedora/Users You often use the message filter in conjunction with your anti-spam solution--e.g., for PopFILE, have it modify the Subject line to include the string [spam], and then filter on that. Cheers, -- Dave Ihnat dih...@dminet.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Reverse E-Mail Blockage.....
On 01/01/2014 02:06 PM, David wrote: On 1/1/2014 1:31 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: On 12/30/2013 04:07 PM, David wrote: I have it on...and I would hope its working...but its just seems to me that a LOT of spam is getting inI dunno. I think I will be looking into Spam Assassin for TB,...and will be customizing my Message Filters...make some customized rules for this and then let it run. might even create a new email account and only use it for the mailing lists here and at CEntOSthanks for all the infoadvice...etc. And happy New Year Everyone!! EGO II Like all spam filters, that I know of, you have to train it. You have to mark emails as spam that you consider spam. Thunderbird and Junk / Spam Messages https://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/thunderbird-and-junk-spam-messages You have a Gmail address and they have a filter system too. But you also have to 'tweak' it from time to time. Spam Assassin would be the same way I would think. I do not know of any spam filter program that already knows what email that *you* consider to be spam. Like virus scanners they look for patterns. My suggestion, what I do, is to train Gmail as to what is spam. That way you don't even download it. As for TBird message filters. Those are designed to move messages that you want from your inbox to various folders. This message, for me, goes to account_name/Inbox/Fedora/Users To try to do that with all of the My suggestion, what I do, is to train Gmail as to what is spam. That way you don't even download it.am that you say that you get would drive you crazy. :-) Well thank you all for your input...I've gotten Spam Assassin installedand now I'm going to play with it to see just how precise I ca get itI'll start off with the obvious stuff..(viagra.online pharmacy..erroneous dating sites, the million dollars I'm getting from the UK Lottery, the car / boat / house I qualify to purchasethe women who OBVIOUSLY want to date me from the Ukraine...GermanySpain..etcand the free offers from anyone with an internet connection and a computer!) then I'll try to work it towards the other stuff! I'll be sure to let you all know how it goes!... EGO II -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Reverse E-Mail Blockage.....
On 1/1/2014 2:36 PM, Dave Ihnat wrote: On Wed, Jan 01, 2014 at 02:06:41PM -0500, David wrote: Like all spam filters, that I know of, you have to train it. You have to mark emails as spam that you consider spam. Yep. Spam Assassin would be the same way I would think. I do not know of any spam filter program that already knows what email that *you* consider to be spam. Like virus scanners they look for patterns. Yes. It learns pretty quickly; feed it the probably spam and almost certainly spam files at first; eventually all you'll have to add is what has slipped through. If you don't want to get into system-wide spam scanning, and/or don't want to get into the complexities of Spam Assassin, you can get a pretty good Baysean filter with PopFILE for Linux. As for TBird message filters. Those are designed to move messages that you want from your inbox to various folders. This message, for me, goes to account_name/Inbox/Fedora/Users You often use the message filter in conjunction with your anti-spam solution--e.g., for PopFILE, have it modify the Subject line to include the string [spam], and then filter on that. Cheers, -- Dave Ihnat dih...@dminet.com I believe that I said earlier that I have several email accounts. Three are company provided. One for 'general', one for my secretary, and one for my foreman. Those three are all encrypted and never get any spam. I have another for friends and family. Also encrypted too. I have another that I use for online purchases. And I have the one that I use for mailing lists and general online 'stuff'. That one, this one, is the only one that ever gets any spam. Gmail catches most of them. 5-10 per month. Last year I only had a total of about 100 and only one got all the way to me. Any one that get 'hundreds and hundreds a month', IMHO, is doing some very wrongly. -- David -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Reverse E-Mail Blockage.....
On 1/1/2014 3:50 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: On 01/01/2014 02:06 PM, David wrote: On 1/1/2014 1:31 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: On 12/30/2013 04:07 PM, David wrote: I have it on...and I would hope its working...but its just seems to me that a LOT of spam is getting inI dunno. I think I will be looking into Spam Assassin for TB,...and will be customizing my Message Filters...make some customized rules for this and then let it run. might even create a new email account and only use it for the mailing lists here and at CEntOSthanks for all the infoadvice...etc. And happy New Year Everyone!! EGO II Like all spam filters, that I know of, you have to train it. You have to mark emails as spam that you consider spam. Thunderbird and Junk / Spam Messages https://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/thunderbird-and-junk-spam-messages You have a Gmail address and they have a filter system too. But you also have to 'tweak' it from time to time. Spam Assassin would be the same way I would think. I do not know of any spam filter program that already knows what email that *you* consider to be spam. Like virus scanners they look for patterns. My suggestion, what I do, is to train Gmail as to what is spam. That way you don't even download it. As for TBird message filters. Those are designed to move messages that you want from your inbox to various folders. This message, for me, goes to account_name/Inbox/Fedora/Users To try to do that with all of the My suggestion, what I do, is to train Gmail as to what is spam. That way you don't even download it.am that you say that you get would drive you crazy. :-) Well thank you all for your input...I've gotten Spam Assassin installedand now I'm going to play with it to see just how precise I ca get itI'll start off with the obvious stuff..(viagra.online pharmacy..erroneous dating sites, the million dollars I'm getting from the UK Lottery, the car / boat / house I qualify to purchasethe women who OBVIOUSLY want to date me from the Ukraine...GermanySpain..etcand the free offers from anyone with an internet connection and a computer!) then I'll try to work it towards the other stuff! I'll be sure to let you all know how it goes!... EGO II Good luck and have fun. Like I said *I* started with Gmail. That filters the emails *before* they get downloaded to my email client. -- David -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Reverse E-Mail Blockage.....
On 01/01/14 15:50, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: Well thank you all for your input...I've gotten Spam Assassin installedand now I'm going to play with it to see just how precise I ca get itI'll start off with the obvious stuff..(viagra.online pharmacy..erroneous dating sites, the million dollars I'm getting from the UK Lottery, the car / boat / house I qualify to purchasethe women who OBVIOUSLY want to date me from the Ukraine...GermanySpain..etcand the free offers from anyone with an internet connection and a computer!) then I'll try to work it towards the other stuff! I'll be sure to let you all know how it goes!... EGO II As I said a few days ago, I have been using gmail for five or six years and never see any of the stuff you show above. There is something odd about your gmail account or settings if it is not being filtered by gmail. I rarely have to note anything as spam for the Thunderbird junk filter. I do have a lot of filters to sort e-mail for my convenience in reading it but spam is rarely a concern, all those good deals are removed as spam by gmail. I have no need for spam assassin or anything like it ... Bob -- http://www.qrz.com/db/w2bod Box10 Fedora-20/64bit Linux -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Reverse E-Mail Blockage.....
On 28.12.2013 06:06, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: Hello you Ferdorans! (FedorIANS?...) I have a question,.nowwe all know that there's ways to block unwanted email from your system using Message Filters, and they work by blocking a certain domain or email address and prevent them from hitting your Inbox, I would like to know if anyone knows of a way to filter your messages in a sort of reverse order.in other words instead of me telling the Mail Filter Rule: Block anything with the email address of (ABC@123) I would like it to be Allow everything from (123@ABC) and block Everything Else...how would one go about doing this using Fedora 20 and Thunderbird? Any help would be greatly appreciated Hello LOLian! :) For someone who uses Gmail, a whitelist can be done like this: - Settings - Filters - Create a new filter From: felix@thecat OR winnie@thepooh OR rocky@andbullwinkle - Create filter with this search - Never send it to Spam - Create filter Done. Advanced search operators https://support.google.com/mail/answer/7190?hl=en poma -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Reverse E-Mail Blockage.....
On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 04:00:02PM -0500, Eddie G. O'Connor wrote: On 12/30/2013 08:48 AM, Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 30 December 2013, Mihamina Rakotomandimby sent: SPAM is very subjective. I saw users subscribing to several newsletters for an event (say XMas) and then in February they're too lazy to cleanly unsubscribe: they just tag the message as SPAM, and they argue it's SPAM because they dont want to receive the messages anymore. Dumb, but true. I've seen that often enough. When the this is spam button simply configures their own software, it's merely a dumb thing to do. But when their mail client's spam button *reports* the message as spam, it causes problems for the senders, who did nothing wrong. I'm not doing that though, I don't intentionally sign-up for anything and the deliberately mark it as spam when I'm no longer interested. Every mailing list I've joined I have a genuine interest in, or it's a hobby of mine..(PremierGuitar.com.GuitarFetish.com...etc) I see no real way that my email address got out TO the people who are using it as a spam receptacle! You see no real way? If you post to a list or news group your email address is out there for the bots to harvest. Your address or your IP is in your headers even if you spoof it. All I want is for the mail that I have no intention of reading to be sent either to my spam folder...or else the trash! I guess for now it'll have to be me adding addresses to my filter, until I can get a handle on the Spam Assassin thing..or else I might have to just block everything..and then create filters for the stuff I DO want! but one way or the other...I intend on handling this spam issue before the end of the year!! Thank you all for your input...some of those ideas I'm definitely going to try out.heck ANYTHING'S better than being strapped to your computer for hours at a time! Your best bet is procmail + spam assassin. The trick is to call SA from sendmail, postfix or whatever you have on your system. If you call it from procmailrc the downloads will slow to a crawl. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Reverse E-Mail Blockage.....
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 05:16:58PM +1030, Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 30 December 2013, Eddie G. O'Connor sent: I swear if EVER I find the person who invented spam?...I'm gonna hit him with a whiffle-ball bat! LOL! And we'll be cheering, too. On a whim, I once googled spammer beaten up, and read an amusing story about a ten minute fist fight between a spammer in an internet cafe and a policeman, with the spammer trying to avoid being arrested and trying to eat his USB spam stick at the same time. Oh to be have been a fly on the wall with that one. And I seem to recall reading a Russian spammer got murdered over it. Can't say I'm sorry. I was once asked what it would take to stop a spammer, and my response was cut their hands off. I don't think anything less would be effective. A hollow point, judiciously applied, would be more efficient. It would, however, deprive one of the pleasure of hearing the screams of agony. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Reverse E-Mail Blockage.....
Allegedly, on or about 29 December 2013, Dave Ihnat sent: It sounds to me like you don't care for anti-spam solutions, and as such have never really investigated the viable options. I can understand your sentiments, but don't agree with your conclusions. It's your choice, and I respect that. To summarise, and not drag this out more than it needs... I've tried the uncontrollable anti-spam options offered by various mail hosts (ISPs, Hotmail, et cetera). They get false positives that I can't really do anything about, I can't accept that, at all. They get many false negatives that make it just pointless to let them sort mail for me. For remote filtering, you need to be able to control it (set your own thresholds, rules and parameters), it needs a user interface. You also need to be able to train it with spam/ham, and you can't really do that with POP services, you need something like IMAP. Many don't offer it. I've tried bayesian filtering. You spend forever training it, it never ends, and you still get false positives and negatives. I tried to speed up the training, by giving the server access to a year's worth of stored spam and ham, but it only partially helped. I've tried spam assassin. But, again, you need to constantly tweak it. Granted, it got better at getting rule updates with things like your regular yum update, but it still needed manual tweaking to improve it. And the false positives were untenable. False negatives are a nuisance, but false positives can lose you work. If I don't see an email asking me about doing a job, I'm not going to get that work. In the end, after about a dozen years, no maybe I've been doing the public internet since about 1997, I can't really remember, so it's a bit longer, I've come to these conclusions: Most of my spam came from my address being harvested from mailing lists like this one (normal types of mailing lists, nothing weird that you'd expect trouble from, and not ones full of flaming debates). Next down the list was my addresses being harvested from PGP key servers. Amusingly, or disturbingly, I could start or stop being sent spam by adding or removing email addresses from the key. And about two days later the change would occur. It took me a while to notice that, because I hadn't updated the key in ages, then did it two or three times in a short period, saw the change, did some more deliberate tests and confirmed it. I got a small amount of spam from my address being harvested from my website. That was easily fixed, and without any captchas or JavaScripting nonsense, both things that don't work for some browsers. Lastly, I'd get maybe one spam every couple of months from some business that I'd done business with via email. I had my original email address until about a couple of years ago, I got the hotmail and yahoo ones about one year after my first address. So I've had a long time to assess this. I pretty much ignore hotmail, I only have the address to chat with friends over MSN, it's spam filtering is awful. Even when you set it to only allow mail from your contact list, it'd still get random spam. Yahoo's was used for pretty much the same reason (instant messaging account), then I started using it, instead, for participating in several computing oriented mailing lists, since they were hosted by Yahoo. As Yahoo has improved whatever they've done over the years, and those lists were subscriber only, I've seen the spam content wax and wane, over a long time. But it's about one a day, on average, now. When I joined this list, several years back, I thought I didn't want to have another spam managing issue, and I had no desire for private mail from strangers, so I subscribed with a self-deleting, mailbox. I don't have to do anything to manage mail, other than press delete on a few extra messages each session, that came from a different account. I don't have to do anything to manage an anti-spam system. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Reverse E-Mail Blockage.....
Allegedly, on or about 29 December 2013, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. sent: this is all fascinating to me. I'm not using a mail server, just trying to keep the size of my Inbox down, since the more spam it gets the fatter it gets as wellI will be looking into all possibilities regarding this matter. I can now see that the Allow In Just what I want Block All Others is the more sensible way to go about it...instead of trying to block what seems like millions of different email addresses that sometimes have the same email in it.!! Playing with whitelisting is as annoying as managing anti-spam software. You have to remember to whitelist anybody before you can communicate. It gets worse if both sides do that. I've come to the conclusion you need two or three addresses: A personal one, that you don't bandy about on mailing lists. You pick an account name that's peculiar enough that you won't get dictionary attack mail (they make up addresses by putting words together that might be in an email address, so make it something like a three or four word address). You don't go bonkers with anti-spam solutions on this address, or you'll lose mail from your friends, and lose contact with them. A separate address you use for things like mailing lists, or purchasing things (i.e. an address that you will not need permanently). It will get spammed, this is the one you set harsh rules on what will be accepted. And if it gets mailbombed, you can abandon it and not lose contact with friends and family. A third address is one method of avoiding mailing list spam. You subscribe to a list twice, with two addresses. You receive the mail on one, reply with the other. You delete all mail received at the address you reply from (set up an inbox rule that does it on the server). Other users/list-harvesters only know about the address you post from, it's the only address they see on mail from you, and that's the address that they spam, but you never see it because you never look at its inbox (pick a mail service to host it that deserves having to handle spam, or wants to receive spam). The spammers don't know about the address you receive the mail at, they can't deliberately spam it, because they don't know its address, and if you pick an unusual account name, you don't even get dictionary spam on it. This works very well, for me. I get zero spam from participating in this list. And, as an added bonus, if anybody is sending me spiteful private mail, I have no idea that they're doing it. Now, if all the lists I were interested in chatting with were on usenet instead of mailing lists, I'd be in a lot better position. Usenet posts don't come from an email address, they're posted to the usenet server in a different way. The place where you *can* fill in a from address can be filled in with bogus details, or a spam-trap address that you won't read. And good usenet clients have much better routines for handling large amounts of messages, archiving, ignoring, following threads, etc. This mailing list can be accessed through a usenet interface at gmane, but I don't really want to use a separate usenet and mail program every day, and many combined clients aren't very good. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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Allegedly, on or about 30 December 2013, Mihamina Rakotomandimby sent: SPAM is very subjective. I saw users subscribing to several newsletters for an event (say XMas) and then in February they're too lazy to cleanly unsubscribe: they just tag the message as SPAM, and they argue it's SPAM because they dont want to receive the messages anymore. Dumb, but true. I've seen that often enough. When the this is spam button simply configures their own software, it's merely a dumb thing to do. But when their mail client's spam button *reports* the message as spam, it causes problems for the senders, who did nothing wrong. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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On 12/30/2013 12:54 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: On 12/28/2013 08:13 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: I literally spent a whole hour and a half ...JUST adding email addresses to the Block list... Do you know that a big ratio of SPAM are with forged sender address? Just try it in Thunderbird: manage identities, add, and setup a fake sender. You'll see that it's very simple to send an EMail with a fake identity. While you're blocking on the sender basis, you're likely to miss many important things. On the other hand, if you are whitelisting a bunch of known adresses, if the SPAM is forged with those, you will still continue to get SPAM. So then?...there really isn't a way to have a virgin mailbox in Thunderbird?...I'm wondering if Spam Assassin will help?...gonna have to do some reading!.. EGO II -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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On Mon, 2013-12-30 at 13:30 -0500, Eddie G. O'Connor wrote: I swear if EVER I find the person who invented spam?...I'm gonna hit him with a whiffle-ball bat! LOL! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_Canter_and_Martha_Siegel -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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On 12/30/2013 08:48 AM, Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 30 December 2013, Mihamina Rakotomandimby sent: SPAM is very subjective. I saw users subscribing to several newsletters for an event (say XMas) and then in February they're too lazy to cleanly unsubscribe: they just tag the message as SPAM, and they argue it's SPAM because they dont want to receive the messages anymore. Dumb, but true. I've seen that often enough. When the this is spam button simply configures their own software, it's merely a dumb thing to do. But when their mail client's spam button *reports* the message as spam, it causes problems for the senders, who did nothing wrong. I'm not doing that though, I don't intentionally sign-up for anything and the deliberately mark it as spam when I'm no longer interested. Every mailing list I've joined I have a genuine interest in, or it's a hobby of mine..(PremierGuitar.com.GuitarFetish.com...etc) I see no real way that my email address got out TO the people who are using it as a spam receptacle! All I want is for the mail that I have no intention of reading to be sent either to my spam folder...or else the trash! I guess for now it'll have to be me adding addresses to my filter, until I can get a handle on the Spam Assassin thing..or else I might have to just block everything..and then create filters for the stuff I DO want! but one way or the other...I intend on handling this spam issue before the end of the year!! Thank you all for your input...some of those ideas I'm definitely going to try out.heck ANYTHING'S better than being strapped to your computer for hours at a time! EGO II -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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On 12/30/2013 4:00 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor wrote: On 12/30/2013 08:48 AM, Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 30 December 2013, Mihamina Rakotomandimby sent: SPAM is very subjective. I saw users subscribing to several newsletters for an event (say XMas) and then in February they're too lazy to cleanly unsubscribe: they just tag the message as SPAM, and they argue it's SPAM because they dont want to receive the messages anymore. Dumb, but true. I've seen that often enough. When the this is spam button simply configures their own software, it's merely a dumb thing to do. But when their mail client's spam button *reports* the message as spam, it causes problems for the senders, who did nothing wrong. I'm not doing that though, I don't intentionally sign-up for anything and the deliberately mark it as spam when I'm no longer interested. Every mailing list I've joined I have a genuine interest in, or it's a hobby of mine..(PremierGuitar.com.GuitarFetish.com...etc) I see no real way that my email address got out TO the people who are using it as a spam receptacle! All I want is for the mail that I have no intention of reading to be sent either to my spam folder...or else the trash! I guess for now it'll have to be me adding addresses to my filter, until I can get a handle on the Spam Assassin thing..or else I might have to just block everything..and then create filters for the stuff I DO want! but one way or the other...I intend on handling this spam issue before the end of the year!! Thank you all for your input...some of those ideas I'm definitely going to try out.heck ANYTHING'S better than being strapped to your computer for hours at a time! EGO II I see that you are using Thunderbird. You do know that TBird has a built in Spam feature? It is named Junk in the account settings for each account. -- David -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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Allegedly, on or about 30 December 2013, Eddie G. O'Connor sent: Every mailing list I've joined I have a genuine interest in, or it's a hobby of mine..(PremierGuitar.com.GuitarFetish.com...etc) I see no real way that my email address got out TO the people who are using it as a spam receptacle! All I want is for the mail that I have no intention of reading to be sent either to my spam folder...or else the trash! Ways of getting spam (and there's plenty more): The mailing list gets hacked into, and someone steals your address. The mailing list sells your details. You've entered your address in somewhere (e.g. program registration), and that has leaked your address. You use your address in more than one place, one of them is public (like this list), and it's been harvested from there. You've received random spam. If you had a used-for-list-only address, you can filter that separately than any other address. Just whitelist the lists you'll accept mail on it from. There's probably only a few, it's much easier to set rules to accept mail from A or B or C, than to block from A, B, ... to infinity. And with mailing lists, there's usually list headers in the mail, that are better choices for setting rules against, than the list email addresses, themselves. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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Allegedly, on or about 30 December 2013, Eddie G. O'Connor sent: I swear if EVER I find the person who invented spam?...I'm gonna hit him with a whiffle-ball bat! LOL! And we'll be cheering, too. On a whim, I once googled spammer beaten up, and read an amusing story about a ten minute fist fight between a spammer in an internet cafe and a policeman, with the spammer trying to avoid being arrested and trying to eat his USB spam stick at the same time. Oh to be have been a fly on the wall with that one. And I seem to recall reading a Russian spammer got murdered over it. Can't say I'm sorry. I was once asked what it would take to stop a spammer, and my response was cut their hands off. I don't think anything less would be effective. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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On 29.12.2013, Tim wrote: I've always considered having to check your spam for false positives to make having anti-spam filtering a waste of time. It depends. I've been receiving about 30 spam emails daily, on average. A quick look into my spam-folder is enough to check if any serious email accidently got classified as spam. I'm using a combination of procmail and CRM-114, by the way.. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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Tim: I've always considered having to check your spam for false positives to make having anti-spam filtering a waste of time. Heinz Diehl: It depends. I've been receiving about 30 spam emails daily, on average. A quick look into my spam-folder is enough to check if any serious email accidently got classified as spam. I'm using a combination of procmail and CRM-114, by the way.. But you don't trust it enough, not to check... If I had to check up on it, I don't consider it trustworthy. And, probably more to the point, it's an extreme annoyance when you email someone, and their crappy anti-spam software falsely classifies your email as spam. Eventually you give up trying to get a reply from them, and have to phone them for a response. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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On 12/29/2013 3:29 AM, Heinz Diehl wrote: On 29.12.2013, Tim wrote: I've always considered having to check your spam for false positives to make having anti-spam filtering a waste of time. It depends. I've been receiving about 30 spam emails daily, on average. A quick look into my spam-folder is enough to check if any serious email accidently got classified as spam. I'm using a combination of procmail and CRM-114, by the way.. Wow! 30 per day? Just wow! You must have a spam magnet or something. :-) I use seven different accounts regularly and I don't get 20 in a month. -- David -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 03:58:12AM -0500, David wrote: Wow! 30 per day? Just wow! You must have a spam magnet or something. :-) I use seven different accounts regularly and I don't get 20 in a month. Heh. Some people change accounts to get away from spam. I've used the same couple of addresses since around 1993--when I got my domain. I also have around 150 aliases (a bunch of general system aliases, plus one for every client's support account). It's not uncommon for SpamAssassin to catch 400-700 a *day*. When really bad new campaigns start up, sometimes it can go over a thousand. Usually, only 5-10 get through, whereupon I feed 'em to sa-learn. And the filters have gotten good enough that I only spot check the rejects; I've not found a false positive for months, if not years. Cheers, -- Dave Ihnat dih...@dminet.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 01:41:40AM +1030, Tim wrote: But you don't trust it enough, not to check... Even as good as my SA rules are, I check on a spot basis. If I had to check up on it, I don't consider it trustworthy. Again I'll say--no matter how good any anti-spam software is, there will ALWAYS be false positives. So on that basis, you don't like any of it? The difference between using something like SpamAssassin and having no anti-spam solution running is my having to sort through literally hundreds of spam in my live inbox--effectively losing the use of E-Mail--without the software, or only seeing a few get through, and just checking the spambuckets periodically for false positives (and even then, I've scripts to look for likely false positives.) As a result, I have functional E-Mail, and am not afraid to keep the same address for, literally, decades. Can you say the same?: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. Ah; didn't think so. Cheers, -- Dave Ihnat dih...@dminet.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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On 29.12.2013, Tim wrote: [CRM-114..] But you don't trust it enough, not to check... No. Because email loss is strictly not acceptable. I always check back manually. CRM-114, once trained, is pretty good, and it takes no more than 10-15 secs to see if there's real email amongst all the spam. It's a lot more comfortable for me than sorting out/deleting all the spam in my inbox. If I had to check up on it, I don't consider it trustworthy. And, probably more to the point, it's an extreme annoyance when you email someone, and their crappy anti-spam software falsely classifies your email as spam. Yes, it is. Thus, I read my spam-folder daily. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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On Sun, 2013-12-29 at 08:49 +1030, Tim wrote: I've always considered having to check your spam for false positives to make having anti-spam filtering a waste of time. I don't think so. The spam filtering system we use at work (based on SpamAssassin with a web interface to view suspected spam) orders the messages by spam score, so I really only need look at the first few, as that is where all the false positives will be, and dozens more can be just deleted. Certainly a lot better than sifting through dozens of spams in my inbox every day. YMMV. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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On 12/28/2013 01:12 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Steven Stern subscribed-li...@sterndata.com mailto:subscribed-li...@sterndata.com wrote: On 12/28/2013 11:32 AM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: On 28/12/13 12:13, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: Yes Joachim this is EXACTLY what I was looking for!..Thank you so much! My Inbox seems to be growing every day with more and more spam. I literally spent a whole hour and a half ...JUST adding email addresses to the Block list...and now that you've given me this knowledge, I should just be able to let in what I need and everything else will get tossed into the trash!..thanks so much! Happy New Year!! EGO II That's strange, all my mail comes through gmail and I rarely see any spam unless I go in and look at what they've filtered out. I only use Thunderbird filters to sort messages into categories/directories. Bob Agreed... I check my Gmail spam folder about once a week to see if it had any false positives. I gave up running my own mail server as Google does a much better job. -- -- Steve -- I wonder what Google's secret is? A huge base of mail, lots of engineers to throw at building tests, and lots of compute power. It can be done via spamassassin. I've successfully run large mail systems based on clamav and spamassassin, but for my purposes, I'm happy to let Google do it. -- -- Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 01:41:40AM +1030, Tim wrote: Tim: I've always considered having to check your spam for false positives to make having anti-spam filtering a waste of time. Heinz Diehl: It depends. I've been receiving about 30 spam emails daily, on average. A quick look into my spam-folder is enough to check if any serious email accidently got classified as spam. I'm using a combination of procmail and CRM-114, by the way.. But you don't trust it enough, not to check... If I had to check up on it, I don't consider it trustworthy. You don't entertain the possibility that not all spam filters are 100% correct or that no software is 100% reliable, given the fact that it's all developed by humans, none of whom are 100% infallible? And, probably more to the point, it's an extreme annoyance when you email someone, and their crappy anti-spam software falsely classifies your email as spam. Eventually you give up trying to get a reply from them, and have to phone them for a response. Did it ever cross your mind that the software might not be so crappy, but that the user might not know how to write filters correctly? I really get tired of people blaming the software, and yes, there is some really crappy software out there but a program that has been in widespread use for a long time has almost all the bugs fixed and ain't all that crappy. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 10:16:19AM -0600, Dave Ihnat wrote: snip... It's not uncommon for SpamAssassin to catch 400-700 a *day*. When really bad new campaigns start up, sometimes it can go over a thousand. Usually, only 5-10 get through, whereupon I feed 'em to sa-learn. Doesn't your ISP have spam filters or are you the ISP? .snip. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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Tim: If I had to check up on it, I don't consider it trustworthy. Dave Ihnat: Again I'll say--no matter how good any anti-spam software is, there will ALWAYS be false positives. So on that basis, you don't like any of it? If I have to double-check, what's the point of it? Seriously! How different is that than just hitting delete on the way through reading your mail? I think I've been doing internet email for about a dozen years, now, can't say I've ever found anti-spam convenient. As a result, I have functional E-Mail, and am not afraid to keep the sameaddress for, literally, decades. Can you say the same?: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. Ah; didn't think so. That's my one, and only, anti-spam handler that I've used for the last several years. This mailing list gets a special address. And, for what it's worth, it's not just an anti-spam measure. I really do not desire private messages from strangers. The warning is upfront about it. My personal mail, which I think I've had for several years after getting my own domain has no anti-spam handling, and needs none. And I have another address that I have used on mailing lists, and that does get spam, hence why I joined this list differently. But after taking these measures, I only get about one spam a day. On the other hand, if I used a spamable address on this mailing list, I would need to use anti-spam software. And every anti-spam solution that I've ever tried I consider to be utter crap and a pain to have to constantly manage. It's *never* set and forget. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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Tim: If I had to check up on it, I don't consider it trustworthy. Robert Holtzman: You don't entertain the possibility that not all spam filters are 100% correct or that no software is 100% reliable, given the fact that it's all developed by humans, none of whom are 100% infallible? I don't care why it's unreliable, since I'm not trying to fix it. Did it ever cross your mind that the software might not be so crappy, but that the user might not know how to write filters correctly? I really get tired of people blaming the software, and yes, there is some really crappy software out there but a program that has been in widespread use for a long time has almost all the bugs fixed and ain't all that crappy. While it's true that some people can't their configure software, there's plenty that just isn't configurable (no user options, or no client interface to do so, the service provider just provides an on/off option for filtering, as a whole). I'm certainly going to blame the tools, when the tools *are* bad. In the past, I've emailed friends, and my first or second posting has gone into their spam bucket, without them doing anything about it. e.g. Emailing a friend at their hotmail address, from a hotmail address. The same with yahoo. Sometimes the reasons are completely unfathomable, other times you can see the anti-spam headers shovelled into the mail, and some of the applied assessments are just plain ludicrous. ISPs and major mail service providers are in a prime position to do really effective spam filtering, yet few of them do a good job. But that really is the best place to do the filtering, not on your own personal PC, which has no access to the honeypot data a large server has. Spam has made email horrible to use. Anti-spam solutions has made it even worse. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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On 12/29/2013 07:37 PM, Tim wrote: In the past, I've emailed friends, and my first or second posting has gone into their spam bucket, without them doing anything about it. I have a friend who's email service sporadically bounces my email. Why? Because I own my own domain, I use my hosting company's email servers instead of my ISP's and a small number of their customers are spammers. Whenever their spam gets above a certain threshold, her ISP blocks any email access from those servers, and cuts us off. This is why I dislike blacklists: they're just about guaranteed to produce at least 99% false positives because they're just an exercise in throwing the baby out with the bath water. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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On 12/29/2013 10:53 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/29/2013 07:37 PM, Tim wrote: In the past, I've emailed friends, and my first or second posting has gone into their spam bucket, without them doing anything about it. I have a friend who's email service sporadically bounces my email. Why? Because I own my own domain, I use my hosting company's email servers instead of my ISP's and a small number of their customers are spammers. Whenever their spam gets above a certain threshold, her ISP blocks any email access from those servers, and cuts us off. This is why I dislike blacklists: they're just about guaranteed to produce at least 99% false positives because they're just an exercise in throwing the baby out with the bath water. Well this is all fascinating to me. I'm not using a mail server, just trying to keep the size of my Inbox down, since the more spam it gets the fatter it gets as wellI will be looking into all possibilities regarding this matter. I can now see that the Allow In Just what I want Block All Others is the more sensible way to go about it...instead of trying to block what seems like millions of different email addresses that sometimes have the same email in it.!! EGO II -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 02:25:41PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: Doesn't your ISP have spam filters or are you the ISP? Effectively, I am. I run my own mail server, and just use my ISP as a pipe. Cheers, -- Dave Ihnat dih...@dminet.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 01:57:52PM +1030, Tim wrote: If I have to double-check, what's the point of it? Seriously! How different is that than just hitting delete on the way through reading your mail? Nothing--if you've only, say, 10 messages. If you're talking about dozens or hundreds, it makes a difference. Seriously. I think I've been doing internet email for about a dozen years, now, can't say I've ever found anti-spam convenient. I've been a consultant for almost 40 years, and doing E-Mail for something like 30. Among other things, I do civil forensic investigations--meaning I incur the wrath of people who have a vested interest in getting back at me. I most assuredly have found real anti-spam more than convenient. And, for what it's worth, it's not just an anti-spam measure. I really do not desire private messages from strangers. The warning is upfront about it. *Shrug.* Your choice, of course. On the other hand, if I used a spamable address on this mailing list, I would need to use anti-spam software. And every anti-spam solution that I've ever tried I consider to be utter crap and a pain to have to constantly manage. It's *never* set and forget. It sounds to me like you don't care for anti-spam solutions, and as such have never really investigated the viable options. I can understand your sentiments, but don't agree with your conclusions. It's your choice, and I respect that. Cheers, -- Dave Ihnat dih...@dminet.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 07:53:53PM -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: I have a friend who's email service sporadically bounces my email. Why? Because I own my own domain, I use my hosting company's email servers instead of my ISP's and a small number of their customers are spammers. Whenever their spam gets above a certain threshold, her ISP blocks any email access from those servers, and cuts us off. It's called a shared server, and is one of the greatest complaints I get from my clients. Essentially, ISPs in the past have often used the same server to deliver E-Mail for multiple--often hundreds--of hosted clients. As you've discovered, one bad neighbor will cause the shared server IP to be blocked. Given the current state of SMTP protocol and the ability to forge anything except the IP, there's nothing to do about this--there is no better way to identify offenders. The solution is to get a private IP from your ISP if they're hosting your mail server. It usually costs a few dollars to do so, but guarantees that your IP isn't tainted by others on the same server. (There are some RBLs that reject by IP blocks, but most have fallen by the wayside over time.) This is why I dislike blacklists: they're just about guaranteed to produce at least 99% false positives because they're just an exercise in throwing the baby out with the bath water. Most RBLs have options to request delisting, and even without that will usually delist after a few hours unless there's a repeat report. Most ISPs have an interest in clearing their servers from RBLs, and if notified that one or more of their IP addresses are blocked will take steps to identify and clear up shared host problems. Yes, there are some RBLs that are bad eggs. If they regularly provide bad rejections, mailhosts stop using them. The worst problem is from the major ISPs themselves--e.g., Yahoo, and most particularly Hotmail. They maintain their own internal blacklists, don't give tools for identification, and have horrible removal request/response policies. Cheers, -- Dave Ihnat dih...@dminet.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 03:59:47PM +1100, Roger wrote: I don't know if this may help but there is another possibility. Much of my Inbox spam/annoying garbage emails used similar words such as ... True. But... I set up 3 filters, ... You're reinventing. Spamassassin has provision for all this, plus Baysean identification, whitelists and blacklists, custom filters... Everything you are trying to do, but much more mature and flexible. There are other packages--for instance, for POP clients on supported architectures (Windows Mac OS X, and cross-platform), POPFile works a treat--but the bottom line is my mantra for the past number of years: o In the old days, I had to write it myself. o Today, if I want to do it, somebody has probably written something to do it. o If it exists, it probably exists in FOSS. Cheers, -- Dave Ihnat dih...@dminet.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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On 12/28/2013 08:13 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: I literally spent a whole hour and a half ...JUST adding email addresses to the Block list... Do you know that a big ratio of SPAM are with forged sender address? Just try it in Thunderbird: manage identities, add, and setup a fake sender. You'll see that it's very simple to send an EMail with a fake identity. While you're blocking on the sender basis, you're likely to miss many important things. On the other hand, if you are whitelisting a bunch of known adresses, if the SPAM is forged with those, you will still continue to get SPAM. -- +261 34 81 738 69 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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On 12/28/2013 08:32 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: That's strange, all my mail comes through gmail and I rarely see any spam unless I go in and look at what they've filtered out. I only use Thunderbird filters to sort messages into categories/directories. SPAM is very subjective. I saw users subscribing to several newsletters for an event (say XMas) and then in February they're too lazy to cleanly unsubscribe: they just tag the message as SPAM, and they argue it's SPAM because they dont want to receive the messages anymore. Dumb, but true. -- +261 34 81 738 69 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Reverse E-Mail Blockage.....
On 12/28/2013 06:06 AM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: Hello you Ferdorans! (FedorIANS?...) I have a question,.nowwe all know that there's ways to block unwanted email from your system using Message Filters, and they work by blocking a certain domain or email address and prevent them from hitting your Inbox, I would like to know if anyone knows of a way to filter your messages in a sort of reverse order.in other words instead of me telling the Mail Filter Rule: Block anything with the email address of (ABC@123) I would like it to be Allow everything from (123@ABC) and block Everything Else...how would one go about doing this using Fedora 20 and Thunderbird? Any help would be greatly appreciated Thank You EGO II Hi Eddie, if creating a message filter in TB, one of the rules can be: contains or doesn't contain or is os isn't, and you can apply this for keys like subject, body, and so on. Is that what you mean? Kind regards Joachim Backes -- Fedora release 20 (Heisenbug) Kernel-3.12.6-300.fc20.x86_64 Joachim Backes joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de https://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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On 12/28/2013 04:29 AM, Joachim Backes wrote: On 12/28/2013 06:06 AM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: Hello you Ferdorans! (FedorIANS?...) I have a question,.nowwe all know that there's ways to block unwanted email from your system using Message Filters, and they work by blocking a certain domain or email address and prevent them from hitting your Inbox, I would like to know if anyone knows of a way to filter your messages in a sort of reverse order.in other words instead of me telling the Mail Filter Rule: Block anything with the email address of (ABC@123) I would like it to be Allow everything from (123@ABC) and block Everything Else...how would one go about doing this using Fedora 20 and Thunderbird? Any help would be greatly appreciated Thank You EGO II Hi Eddie, if creating a message filter in TB, one of the rules can be: contains or doesn't contain or is os isn't, and you can apply this for keys like subject, body, and so on. Is that what you mean? Kind regards Joachim Backes Yes Joachim this is EXACTLY what I was looking for!..Thank you so much! My Inbox seems to be growing every day with more and more spam. I literally spent a whole hour and a half ...JUST adding email addresses to the Block list...and now that you've given me this knowledge, I should just be able to let in what I need and everything else will get tossed into the trash!..thanks so much! Happy New Year!! EGO II -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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On 28/12/13 12:13, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: Yes Joachim this is EXACTLY what I was looking for!..Thank you so much! My Inbox seems to be growing every day with more and more spam. I literally spent a whole hour and a half ...JUST adding email addresses to the Block list...and now that you've given me this knowledge, I should just be able to let in what I need and everything else will get tossed into the trash!..thanks so much! Happy New Year!! EGO II That's strange, all my mail comes through gmail and I rarely see any spam unless I go in and look at what they've filtered out. I only use Thunderbird filters to sort messages into categories/directories. Bob -- http://www.qrz.com/db/w2bod Box10 Fedora-20/64bit Linux -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 12:13:24PM -0500, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: ...snip.. Yes Joachim this is EXACTLY what I was looking for!..Thank you so much! My Inbox seems to be growing every day with more and more spam. I literally spent a whole hour and a half ...JUST adding email addresses to the Block list Blocking email addresses is completely futile. Are you not aware that spammers use throw away accounts that are frequently changed and also use innocent users computers as bots without the owners knowledge? ...snip... -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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On 12/28/2013 11:32 AM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: On 28/12/13 12:13, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: Yes Joachim this is EXACTLY what I was looking for!..Thank you so much! My Inbox seems to be growing every day with more and more spam. I literally spent a whole hour and a half ...JUST adding email addresses to the Block list...and now that you've given me this knowledge, I should just be able to let in what I need and everything else will get tossed into the trash!..thanks so much! Happy New Year!! EGO II That's strange, all my mail comes through gmail and I rarely see any spam unless I go in and look at what they've filtered out. I only use Thunderbird filters to sort messages into categories/directories. Bob Agreed... I check my Gmail spam folder about once a week to see if it had any false positives. I gave up running my own mail server as Google does a much better job. -- -- Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Steven Stern subscribed-li...@sterndata.com wrote: On 12/28/2013 11:32 AM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: On 28/12/13 12:13, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: Yes Joachim this is EXACTLY what I was looking for!..Thank you so much! My Inbox seems to be growing every day with more and more spam. I literally spent a whole hour and a half ...JUST adding email addresses to the Block list...and now that you've given me this knowledge, I should just be able to let in what I need and everything else will get tossed into the trash!..thanks so much! Happy New Year!! EGO II That's strange, all my mail comes through gmail and I rarely see any spam unless I go in and look at what they've filtered out. I only use Thunderbird filters to sort messages into categories/directories. Bob Agreed... I check my Gmail spam folder about once a week to see if it had any false positives. I gave up running my own mail server as Google does a much better job. -- -- Steve -- I wonder what Google's secret is? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 11:12:24AM -0800, Richard Vickery wrote: I wonder what Google's secret is? Most likely, a heavily customized version of SpamAssassin. Or if not specifically SA, some other Baysean filter. Which, incidentally, wouldn't be amiss in your own server. Cheers, -- Dave Ihnat dih...@dminet.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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On 12/28/2013 02:35 PM, Dave Ihnat wrote: On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 11:12:24AM -0800, Richard Vickery wrote: I wonder what Google's secret is? Most likely, a heavily customized version of SpamAssassin. Or if not specifically SA, some other Baysean filter. Which, incidentally, wouldn't be amiss in your own server. Cheers, -- Dave Ihnat dih...@dminet.com Hmmm...maybe I can do with a bit of reading up on Spam Assassinwonder if there's an Open Source version of it?... EGO II -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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Steven Stern: I check my Gmail spam folder about once a week to see if it had any false positives. I gave up running my own mail server as Google does a much better job. I've always considered having to check your spam for false positives to make having anti-spam filtering a waste of time. Not to mention it being a denial of service if it does snaffle up real mail. Richard Vickery: I wonder what Google's secret is? Well, when you're a huge service, receiving thousands of spam, much of it near-identical, and from common sources, it becomes much easier to identify spam as being spam. And some services are better at that, when they actually want to reduce spam, unlike some others that don't appear to give a damn. Even on a small self-run service, if you expose a honeypot address, it'll get spammed along with the real addresses. Using the honeypot received messages as spam identifiers, you can 100% identify identical messages sent to the other addresses as being spam (unlike other far less positive identification methods). That can knock out a huge amount of spam, in a very simple, and reliable, way. Other identifiers (HTML mail, attachments, bad grammar, broken mail formatting, messages not personally addressed to you, et cetera), falsely identify a horrible amount of real mail. And almost all commercial mail that I have personally subscribed for gets falsely identified, list mail gets it, mail from friends who couldn't type or spell properly to save their life... To make it worse, when your mail service provider does the identifying, they often give you no controls to reign their anti-spam software in (you can't adjust the thresholds and ratings, nor can you give it back spam and ham for it to learn). -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 03:56:16PM -0500, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: Hmmm...maybe I can do with a bit of reading up on Spam Assassinwonder if there's an Open Source version of it?... It is already FOSS. Cheers, -- Dave Ihnat dih...@dminet.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Reverse E-Mail Blockage.....
Hello you Ferdorans! (FedorIANS?...) I have a question,.nowwe all know that there's ways to block unwanted email from your system using Message Filters, and they work by blocking a certain domain or email address and prevent them from hitting your Inbox, I would like to know if anyone knows of a way to filter your messages in a sort of reverse order.in other words instead of me telling the Mail Filter Rule: Block anything with the email address of (ABC@123) I would like it to be Allow everything from (123@ABC) and block Everything Else...how would one go about doing this using Fedora 20 and Thunderbird? Any help would be greatly appreciated Thank You EGO II -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
