Re: Upgraded machine to Fedora 38 and now suspending after 15 minues??
On 08/21/2023 12:16 PM, John Mellor wrote: I think that you're missing the point. In order to accommodate the vast majority that are not on laptops, it should at least be programmable behaviour instead of forcing laptop behaviour on everyone. I've no objection of it being an option, just to have it be the default, especially without warning. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Upgraded machine to Fedora 38 and now suspending after 15 minues??
On 2023-08-21 12:55, Joe Zeff wrote: On 08/21/2023 07:03 AM, Chris Adams wrote: This wasn't just some developer's idea... IIRC the request for this change came from someone who sells systems with Linux pre-installed (Lenovo?), because this is a requirement for meeting power certifications needed for desktop/notebook systems. So everybody has to have it like that because one commercial user wants it? I think that you're missing the point. In order to accommodate the vast majority that are not on laptops, it should at least be programmable behaviour instead of forcing laptop behaviour on everyone. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Upgraded machine to Fedora 38 and now suspending after 15 minues??
Michael D. Setzer II: >> Question? If that is so, why couldn't they modify their Linux >> pre-installed setup to have it set, rather than forcing everyone >> else to have to have it as default? Because we're the poor buggas who debug their ideas... But I agree. If you're creating commercial installations that have to adhere to some illusory green-washing principle you really shouldn't be using stock installations but a custom one. The average home user switches their PC off when it's not in use, and expects it to stay switched on when they want it. The non-average PC user that leaves their PC on for extended hours, or 24/7 has done so on purpose because that's what they want it to do. And quite frankly, I can imagine chaos in the IT department of a business that has to deal with multiple employee PCs going dormant at inopportune moments. Computers going tits-up because the worker was on a phone call that took longer than the impatience period, had to do something away from the desk, lunch breaks, whatever... >> Wonder how many people are going to be reporting machines as >> broken since they keep shutting down because of thie FEATURE... Me too. Richard Shaw: > In my case my computer becomes completely unresponsive. Neither > pressing reset, or holding down the power button have any effect > forcing me to use the power supply switch. Not a very good end user > experience. Those of us who've been around here long enough remember that a great number of computers fail spectacularly at suspending, hibernating, and resuming. Sometimes its the hardware, it's never going to manage it. Sometimes it's the software, they've gone about it in an ill-conceived manner, or expected all hardware to work in some particular way. As a general rule, manufacturers only test against Windows compatibility. And if they find a problem, and if they decide to bother with a solution, it'll be a Windows patch, rather than fixing up their hardware. -- NB: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the list. The following system info data is generated fresh for each post: uname -rsvp Linux 6.2.15-100.fc36.x86_64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu May 11 16:51:53 UTC 2023 x86_64 ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Upgraded machine to Fedora 38 and now suspending after 15 minues??
On 08/21/2023 07:03 AM, Chris Adams wrote: This wasn't just some developer's idea... IIRC the request for this change came from someone who sells systems with Linux pre-installed (Lenovo?), because this is a requirement for meeting power certifications needed for desktop/notebook systems. So everybody has to have it like that because one commercial user wants it? ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Upgraded machine to Fedora 38 and now suspending after 15 minues??
On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 5:50 PM Joe Zeff wrote: > On 08/20/2023 01:56 PM, Tim via users wrote: > > Quite an assumption, that's completely wrong for a large number of > > people. And considering the number of PCs that don't get hibernation > > and suspending working right, that's yet another problem to deal with. > There is a big difference between individual home, small and medium buisness users, and enterprise environments. At my "enterprise" workplace, each building had an energy budget based on watts per workstation. Electrical panels and HVAC were sized to that level. Users were issued a laptop with docking station and monitor. Just before COVID send users home, there was a plan to increase density using call center cubicles. > > "But it works for us!" That, and the assumption that everybody wants > their desktop to look the way the devs do are two of the main reasons I > don't use Gnome. > In my field, there is a "mission critical" command-line app that was developed on SGI IRIX64 and ported to macOS and linux. The vast majority of users have little or no interest or experience with linux, so if they aren't macOS users, they just install some linux distro (I tell them to seek out other linux users at their site for advice on choice of distro so they can get help with site-specific configuration) using the default configuration. This user community benefits when the number of different linux configurations is kept small. Since the majority of users are stuck with Windows in their workplace. it is helpful if the linux desktop is not too different from Windows. -- George N. White III ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Upgraded machine to Fedora 38 and now suspending after 15 minues??
On Mon, 2023-08-21 at 08:03 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Joe Zeff said: > > On 08/20/2023 01:56 PM, Tim via users wrote: > > > Quite an assumption, that's completely wrong for a large number > > > of > > > people. And considering the number of PCs that don't get > > > hibernation > > > and suspending working right, that's yet another problem to deal > > > with. > > > > "But it works for us!" That, and the assumption that everybody > > wants their desktop to look the way the devs do are two of the main > > reasons I don't use Gnome. > > This wasn't just some developer's idea... IIRC the request for this > change came from someone who sells systems with Linux pre-installed > (Lenovo?), because this is a requirement for meeting power > certifications needed for desktop/notebook systems. Some people need it, some don't, but everyone gets it and quite a few don't know they have it until it trips them up. It ignores the old rule known as the Principle of Least Astonishment. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Upgraded machine to Fedora 38 and now suspending after 15 minues??
On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 9:01 AM Michael D. Setzer II via users < users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > > This wasn't just some developer's idea... IIRC the request for this > > change came from someone who sells systems with Linux pre-installed > > (Lenovo?), because this is a requirement for meeting power > > certifications needed for desktop/notebook systems. > > > > Question? If that is so, why couldn't they modify their Linux > pre-installed setup to have it set, rather than forcing everyone else > to have to have it as default? > > Since I did a dnf upgrade it didn't present any option saying it was > going to do this, or prompting for the option. Don't know if a clean > install would have presented any option.. > > Wonder how many people are going to be reporting machines as > broken since they keep shutting down because of thie FEATURE... > In my case my computer becomes completely unresponsive. Neither pressing reset, or holding down the power button have any effect forcing me to use the power supply switch. Not a very good end user experience. Thanks, Richard ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Upgraded machine to Fedora 38 and now suspending after 15 minues??
On Mon, 2023-08-21 at 08:03 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > This wasn't just some developer's idea... IIRC the request for this > change came from someone who sells systems with Linux pre-installed > (Lenovo?), because this is a requirement for meeting power > certifications needed for desktop/notebook systems. It should have been an option that the owner could *easily* control. People are having to ask about unsetting it, because the only obvious control for changing it will only affect the computer while you're logged into it (power management settings for *you*). As soon as you log out, the login screen's settings take over. Come to that, GDM really needs re-thinking. It's so damn hard to change how the login screen works that it's not funny. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.95.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon Jul 24 13:59:37 UTC 2023 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Upgraded machine to Fedora 38 and now suspending after 15 minues??
On 21 Aug 2023 at 8:03, Chris Adams wrote: Date sent: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 08:03:34 -0500 From: Chris Adams To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject:Re: Upgraded machine to Fedora 38 and now suspending after 15 minues?? Send reply to: Community support for Fedora users > Once upon a time, Joe Zeff said: > > On 08/20/2023 01:56 PM, Tim via users wrote: > > >Quite an assumption, that's completely wrong for a large number of > > >people. And considering the number of PCs that don't get hibernation > > >and suspending working right, that's yet another problem to deal with. > > > > "But it works for us!" That, and the assumption that everybody > > wants their desktop to look the way the devs do are two of the main > > reasons I don't use Gnome. > > This wasn't just some developer's idea... IIRC the request for this > change came from someone who sells systems with Linux pre-installed > (Lenovo?), because this is a requirement for meeting power > certifications needed for desktop/notebook systems. > Question? If that is so, why couldn't they modify their Linux pre-installed setup to have it set, rather than forcing everyone else to have to have it as default? Since I did a dnf upgrade it didn't present any option saying it was going to do this, or prompting for the option. Don't know if a clean install would have presented any option.. Wonder how many people are going to be reporting machines as broken since they keep shutting down because of thie FEATURE... > -- > Chris Adams > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue ++ Michael D. Setzer II - Computer Science Instructor (Retired) mailto:mi...@guam.net mailto:msetze...@gmail.com Guam - Where America's Day Begins G4L Disk Imaging Project maintainer http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/ ++ ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Upgraded machine to Fedora 38 and now suspending after 15 minues??
Once upon a time, Joe Zeff said: > On 08/20/2023 01:56 PM, Tim via users wrote: > >Quite an assumption, that's completely wrong for a large number of > >people. And considering the number of PCs that don't get hibernation > >and suspending working right, that's yet another problem to deal with. > > "But it works for us!" That, and the assumption that everybody > wants their desktop to look the way the devs do are two of the main > reasons I don't use Gnome. This wasn't just some developer's idea... IIRC the request for this change came from someone who sells systems with Linux pre-installed (Lenovo?), because this is a requirement for meeting power certifications needed for desktop/notebook systems. -- Chris Adams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Upgraded machine to Fedora 38 and now suspending after 15 minues??
Den 2023-08-21 kl. 03:09, skrev Michael D. Setzer II via users: Question. Just looked at the sleep.conf file on my machine and all the commented lines (all) seem to show the default as =yes, so I assuming that you mean to uncomment the lines and change =yes to =no?? Check the file on my Fedora 37 and it also shows most of same options? [Sleep] #AllowSuspend=yes #AllowHibernation=yes #AllowSuspendThenHibernate=yes #AllowHybridSleep=yes #SuspendMode= #SuspendState=mem standby freeze #HibernateMode=platform shutdown #HibernateState=disk #HybridSleepMode=suspend platform shutdown #HybridSleepState=disk #HibernateDelaySec=120min What I understand this shows the standard value of this parameters. There for you need to uncomment "Allow*" and change "yes" to "no". This works for me. I also do: sudo -u gdm dbus-run-session gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power sleep-inactive-ac-timeout 0 since I am running Gnome. -- Regards Jon Ingason ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Upgraded machine to Fedora 38 and now suspending after 15 minues??
On 20 Aug 2023 at 8:34, George N. White III wrote: From: "George N. White III" Date sent: Sun, 20 Aug 2023 08:34:08 -0300 Subject: Re: Upgraded machine to Fedora 38 and now suspending after 15 minues?? To: mi...@guam.net, Community support for Fedora users Send reply to: Community support for Fedora users > > On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 10:25 PM Michael D. Setzer II via users > wrote: > Have 4 machines that are headless machines. > Boot up, and have VNC run to allow access using XFCE sessions. > > After upgrading the one to Fedora 38, have the machine going off > after 15 minutes since no user is logged in locally to machine?? > > Found a page that mentions these options. > > sudo -u gdm dbus-run-session gsettings list-recursively > org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power | grep sleep > > sudo -u gdm dbus-run-session gsettings set > org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power > sleep-inactive-ac-timeout 0 > > But after doing it on machine with VNC session, it still was > shutting off since vnc is running XFCE? > > I have Fedora Workstation on a system that is mainly used as a > headless server. I created /etc/systemd/sleep.conf.d/.conf > by editing /etc/systemd/sleep.conf to uncomment the "#Allow ..." lines. > Question. Just looked at the sleep.conf file on my machine and all the commented lines (all) seem to show the default as =yes, so I assuming that you mean to uncomment the lines and change =yes to =no?? Check the file on my Fedora 37 and it also shows most of same options? [Sleep] #AllowSuspend=yes #AllowHibernation=yes #AllowSuspendThenHibernate=yes #AllowHybridSleep=yes #SuspendMode= #SuspendState=mem standby freeze #HibernateMode=platform shutdown #HibernateState=disk #HybridSleepMode=suspend platform shutdown #HybridSleepState=disk #HibernateDelaySec=120min Perhaps Fedora before 38 has defaults to no and commented lines are to turn on, but my Fedora 38 was suspending with lines commented, so default must be yes?? Thanks again for info. > This has been working since F38 was first available. > > -- > George N. White III > ++ Michael D. Setzer II - Computer Science Instructor (Retired) mailto:mi...@guam.net mailto:msetze...@gmail.com Guam - Where America's Day Begins G4L Disk Imaging Project maintainer http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/ ++ ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Upgraded machine to Fedora 38 and now suspending after 15 minues??
On 20 Aug 2023 at 12:32, Jonathan Billings wrote: From: Jonathan Billings Subject:Re: Upgraded machine to Fedora 38 and now suspending after 15 minues?? Date sent: Sun, 20 Aug 2023 12:32:04 -0400 To: Community support for Fedora users Send reply to: Community support for Fedora users > On Aug 20, 2023, at 01:46, Michael D. Setzer II via users > wrote: > > > > As others said, think this is a Bug. The upgrade from 37 to 38 went > > fine except for this, but if I had updated my web server with > > mariadb it would have been a problem. > > I assume you’re not booting into graphical login in a web server, but just > to the multi-user target. Headless servers aren’t affected by this. First. Thanks to all those that replied. Seems that the fix for me was to connect a monitor to machine (headless server just meaning a regular Fedora 38 machine without a monitor connect) Then login in using gnome option (usually have it default to XFCE, but power option with XFCE doesn't show anything on this option). Then going to power settings and turn off the option. Then it doesn't seem to be shutting down the machine at all. Still haven't seen a reply if switching to lightdm from gdm would also resolve issue? So currently the machine is using gdm, but was set to use XFCE for both local login and VNC login. So the VNC user was logged in, but it would still suspend the machine? > > This is the automatic suspend for workstations, which is a power saving > mode and not a terribly bad idea, because it’s assumed that most > workstations, when idle and no local user, don’t need to continue to > consume power. > Agree that in many cases it would be a power saving feature, but if the machine has any services that either make connections from outside http/https/smtp/pop3/vnc/mariadb then shutting machine down would be issue. Also, any cron or auto run process like dnf-cache would be effect. Don't know if they thought of any of those issues. I have BOINC running on machines to do work, and a suspend stops them dead.. This particular machine has 8 core cpu, so it has 8 task running when nothing else is using machine. > -- > Jonathan Billings > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue ++ Michael D. Setzer II - Computer Science Instructor (Retired) mailto:mi...@guam.net mailto:msetze...@gmail.com Guam - Where America's Day Begins G4L Disk Imaging Project maintainer http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/ ++ ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Upgraded machine to Fedora 38 and now suspending after 15 minues??
On Mon, 2023-08-21 at 05:26 +0930, Tim via users wrote: > On Sun, 2023-08-20 at 12:32 -0400, Jonathan Billings wrote: > > This is the automatic suspend for workstations, which is a power > > saving mode and not a terribly bad idea, because it’s assumed that > > most workstations, when idle and no local user, don’t need to > > continue to consume power. > > Quite an assumption, that's completely wrong for a large number of > people. And considering the number of PCs that don't get hibernation > and suspending working right, that's yet another problem to deal > with. Every time I read about this kind of thing I thank the stars I don't use Gnome, not because it can't be turned off, but because someone decided it should be on by default. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Upgraded machine to Fedora 38 and now suspending after 15 minues??
On 08/20/2023 01:56 PM, Tim via users wrote: Quite an assumption, that's completely wrong for a large number of people. And considering the number of PCs that don't get hibernation and suspending working right, that's yet another problem to deal with. "But it works for us!" That, and the assumption that everybody wants their desktop to look the way the devs do are two of the main reasons I don't use Gnome. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Upgraded machine to Fedora 38 and now suspending after 15 minues??
On Sun, 2023-08-20 at 12:32 -0400, Jonathan Billings wrote: > This is the automatic suspend for workstations, which is a power > saving mode and not a terribly bad idea, because it’s assumed that > most workstations, when idle and no local user, don’t need to > continue to consume power. Quite an assumption, that's completely wrong for a large number of people. And considering the number of PCs that don't get hibernation and suspending working right, that's yet another problem to deal with. -- NB: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the list. The following system info data is generated fresh for each post: uname -rsvp Linux 6.2.15-100.fc36.x86_64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu May 11 16:51:53 UTC 2023 x86_64 ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Upgraded machine to Fedora 38 and now suspending after 15 minues??
Michael D. Setzer II via users wrote: > On 19 Aug 2023 at 23:09, Todd Zullinger wrote: >> And if for some reason that's not an option (though I think >> it is the best answer for a headless machine), there are >> other ways to resolve the effects of this change mentioned >> in the Common Issues for F38: >> >> >> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/gnome-suspends-after-15-minutes-of-user-inactivity-even-on-ac-power/79801 > > Think that was the page I had found, but issuing the > command from terminal with the XFCE login didn't seem to > make the change. Going to power setting from XFCE menu > didn't show the power option, so couldn't change it from > the gui. > > But putting a monitor on machine, and having it boot > locally with the gnome option did have the setting in the > power options, so set it off there, and it seems to be > staying on so far. That's because you're now logged in locally and adjusted the local users setting. but unless you plan to do that every time you boot the system, this will still be an issue because it's the gdm users settings which will still have the 15 minute timeout. You should either change the boot target as Sam suggested or, if you really want it to boot to a graphical login screen for some reason, you should follow the steps in the "Adjusting the login screen" section of the post I shared. The commands there adjust the inactive sleep setting for the gdm user. > As others said, think this is a Bug. It's very much an intentional change which applies to the Workstation edition. It has surprised many people who are running that edition as if its a headless server, no doubt. But it's easy enough to change the setting or adjust the system's target run level. -- Todd signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Upgraded machine to Fedora 38 and now suspending after 15 minues??
On 08/20/2023 10:32 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote: This is the automatic suspend for workstations, which is a power saving mode and not a terribly bad idea, because it’s assumed that most workstations, when idle and no local user, don’t need to continue to consume power. I presume it's fairly trivial to turn off. My desktop is running both Folding and Einstein At Home and I expect it to be working 24/7. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Upgraded machine to Fedora 38 and now suspending after 15 minues??
On Aug 20, 2023, at 01:46, Michael D. Setzer II via users wrote: > > As others said, think this is a Bug. The upgrade from 37 to 38 went > fine except for this, but if I had updated my web server with > mariadb it would have been a problem. I assume you’re not booting into graphical login in a web server, but just to the multi-user target. Headless servers aren’t affected by this. This is the automatic suspend for workstations, which is a power saving mode and not a terribly bad idea, because it’s assumed that most workstations, when idle and no local user, don’t need to continue to consume power. -- Jonathan Billings ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Upgraded machine to Fedora 38 and now suspending after 15 minues??
On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 10:25 PM Michael D. Setzer II via users < users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > Have 4 machines that are headless machines. > Boot up, and have VNC run to allow access using XFCE sessions. > > After upgrading the one to Fedora 38, have the machine going off > after 15 minutes since no user is logged in locally to machine?? > > Found a page that mentions these options. > > sudo -u gdm dbus-run-session gsettings list-recursively > org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power | grep sleep > > sudo -u gdm dbus-run-session gsettings set > org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power > sleep-inactive-ac-timeout 0 > > But after doing it on machine with VNC session, it still was > shutting off since vnc is running XFCE? > I have Fedora Workstation on a system that is mainly used as a headless server. I created /etc/systemd/sleep.conf.d/.conf by editing /etc/systemd/sleep.conf to uncomment the "#Allow ..." lines. This has been working since F38 was first available. -- George N. White III ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Upgraded machine to Fedora 38 and now suspending after 15 minues??
On 8/19/23 22:46, Michael D. Setzer II via users wrote: As others said, think this is a Bug. The upgrade from 37 to 38 went fine except for this, but if I had updated my web server with mariadb it would have been a problem. I don't have any problem with my servers, but they all boot to text mode. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Upgraded machine to Fedora 38 and now suspending after 15 minues??
On 19 Aug 2023 at 23:09, Todd Zullinger wrote: Date sent: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 23:09:33 -0400 From: Todd Zullinger To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject:Re: Upgraded machine to Fedora 38 and now suspending after 15 minues?? Send reply to: Community support for Fedora users > Samuel Sieb wrote: > > On 8/19/23 18:25, Michael D. Setzer II via users wrote: > >> Have 4 machines that are headless machines. > >> Boot up, and have VNC run to allow access using XFCE sessions. > >> > >> After upgrading the one to Fedora 38, have the machine going off > >> after 15 minutes since no user is logged in locally to machine?? > > > > Is it booting to gdm? If you're only using remote access, you should change > > it to boot to text console mode instead of graphical. That should resolve > > the problem. > > And if for some reason that's not an option (though I think > it is the best answer for a headless machine), there are > other ways to resolve the effects of this change mentioned > in the Common Issues for F38: > > > https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/gnome-suspends-after-15-minutes-of-user-inactivity-even-on-ac-power/79801 > Think that was the page I had found, but issuing the command from terminal with the XFCE login didn't seem to make the change. Going to power setting from XFCE menu didn't show the power option, so couldn't change it from the gui. But putting a monitor on machine, and having it boot locally with the gnome option did have the setting in the power options, so set it off there, and it seems to be staying on so far. Luckly the fan has leds so it was very obvious when it went off. Has been on for 8hours 22 minutes, so guess it is working. Don't know if the VNC would work if I have it boot to text mode only? Thanks again for quick replies. Think they should have the default to not power off, and allow users to set it to 15 minutes or whatever if they want. As others said, think this is a Bug. The upgrade from 37 to 38 went fine except for this, but if I had updated my web server with mariadb it would have been a problem. > -- > Todd > ++ Michael D. Setzer II - Computer Science Instructor (Retired) mailto:mi...@guam.net mailto:msetze...@gmail.com Guam - Where America's Day Begins G4L Disk Imaging Project maintainer http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/ ++ ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Upgraded machine to Fedora 38 and now suspending after 15 minues??
Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 8/19/23 18:25, Michael D. Setzer II via users wrote: >> Have 4 machines that are headless machines. >> Boot up, and have VNC run to allow access using XFCE sessions. >> >> After upgrading the one to Fedora 38, have the machine going off >> after 15 minutes since no user is logged in locally to machine?? > > Is it booting to gdm? If you're only using remote access, you should change > it to boot to text console mode instead of graphical. That should resolve > the problem. And if for some reason that's not an option (though I think it is the best answer for a headless machine), there are other ways to resolve the effects of this change mentioned in the Common Issues for F38: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/gnome-suspends-after-15-minutes-of-user-inactivity-even-on-ac-power/79801 -- Todd signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Upgraded machine to Fedora 38 and now suspending after 15 minues??
On 8/19/23 18:25, Michael D. Setzer II via users wrote: Have 4 machines that are headless machines. Boot up, and have VNC run to allow access using XFCE sessions. After upgrading the one to Fedora 38, have the machine going off after 15 minutes since no user is logged in locally to machine?? Is it booting to gdm? If you're only using remote access, you should change it to boot to text console mode instead of graphical. That should resolve the problem. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Upgraded machine to Fedora 38 and now suspending after 15 minues??
Have 4 machines that are headless machines. Boot up, and have VNC run to allow access using XFCE sessions. After upgrading the one to Fedora 38, have the machine going off after 15 minutes since no user is logged in locally to machine?? Found a page that mentions these options. sudo -u gdm dbus-run-session gsettings list-recursively org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power | grep sleep sudo -u gdm dbus-run-session gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power sleep-inactive-ac-timeout 0 But after doing it on machine with VNC session, it still was shutting off since vnc is running XFCE? Hooked up monitor, and logged in using gnome, and went in power options and it seemed to show and auto suspend option and turned it off. See if that keeps it up, but there was a not on site that if all users logged out, machines would go back to 15 minute suspend?? Hasn't been 15 minutes? So not sure if logging in with gnome and turning off the suspend will keep it up. This was my backup machine that doesn't have anything other than BOINC running on it, but others have web, mariadb and other things running so shutting down after 15 minutes is a NO GO... Is there a best way to correct this? Installing lightdm maybe and disabling the gdm completely. Thanks. This is a major issue for my setup. ++ Michael D. Setzer II - Computer Science Instructor (Retired) mailto:mi...@guam.net mailto:msetze...@gmail.com Guam - Where America's Day Begins G4L Disk Imaging Project maintainer http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/ ++ ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
