Re: Virtualbox vs VMware for Fedora?
If you're still not interested in the QEMU/Libvirt route, this news may interest you, might lead to better compatibility. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39300317 On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 5:03 PM Sbob wrote: > > All; > > > I am running Fedora39, I have run VMware workstation for years, and I > have on and off had issues since VMware does not officially support > Fedora, normally I run a patch after each kernel update and it mostly > just works. > > I am also running the osx unlocker so I can run mac VM's > > > I recently tried virtualbox on a spare laptop, havent looked at > virtualbox in years, and I was impressed, a few questions for the community: > >- can I run the osx unlocker with virtualbox? > > >- does virtualbox have the same issues where it needs a patch after > each kernel and sometimes > just breaks with a new kernel , even with the patch? > -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Virtualbox vs VMware for Fedora?
On 12/2/23 10:50, Sbob wrote: can I run OSX in QEMU/KVM/libvirt? Does the same mac unlocker work? Also, I might add, I have been doing consulting for 29 years now. I have never once need an OSx computer to play on. Their on line documentation is excellent. On the other hand, most of the OSx work I have done for customers has not been that complicated. A few things yes, but mostly no. And power OSx users never call me and they can do it themselves. -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Virtualbox vs VMware for Fedora?
On 12/2/23 10:50, Sbob wrote: can I run OSX in QEMU/KVM/libvirt? Does the same mac unlocker work? Yes. But first you must purchase Apple hardware to run it on or you are in violation of the terms and conditions of OSx. VM's are allow, but only on Apple hardware. As such, you will et little support from the qemu-kvm folks if yo hae any issues. You can also run Hackintosh, but it is illegal. If you think M$ does not play well with the other kiddies in the sandbox, you have not met Apple. It is best to go on line and rent an OSx VM on the cloud. -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Virtualbox vs VMware for Fedora?
can I run OSX in QEMU/KVM/libvirt? Does the same mac unlocker work? On 12/1/23 19:11, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 12/1/23 15:32, Sbob wrote: How is the virtual networking in QEMU/KVM/libvirt? can I just click into settings and 'add' a network interface? Yes. Lots of options https://imgur.com/sOgQTvW.png -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Virtualbox vs VMware for Fedora?
On 12/1/23 15:32, Sbob wrote: How is the virtual networking in QEMU/KVM/libvirt? can I just click into settings and 'add' a network interface? Yes. Lots of options https://imgur.com/sOgQTvW.png -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Virtualbox vs VMware for Fedora?
... > - can I run the osx unlocker with virtualbox? > > > - does virtualbox have the same issues where it needs a patch after > each kernel and sometimes > just breaks with a new kernel , even with the patch? > I don't know if it also happens with OSX, but Vbox has issues with kernel Version > 6.6.x. guest and module compile is working though, but not without a crash on command line see: https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/21898 -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Virtualbox vs VMware for Fedora?
How is the virtual networking in QEMU/KVM/libvirt? can I just click into settings and 'add' a network interface? On 12/1/23 01:17, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 11/30/23 23:04, Jeffrey Walton wrote: I don't know how well QEMU/KVM/libvirt handle other disk images, like from VMware. I have done it. My Keeper: References: http://serverfault.com/questions/273982/virt-convert-ovf-to-kvm http://edoceo.com/notabene/ova-to-vmdk-to-qcow2 http://wiki.hackzine.org/sysadmin/kvm-import-ova.html Converting OVA for use with KVM / QCOW2 The OVA file is nothing more than a TAR archive, containing the .OVF and .VMDK files. Easy! Using Evergreen ILS for example: ~ $ file Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.ova Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.ova: POSIX tar archive (GNU) I'ts possible to use the tar command to list the contents ~ $ tar -tf Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.ova Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.ovf Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze-disk1.vmdk Simply extract those things... ~ $ tar -xvf Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.ova Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.ovf Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze-disk1.vmdk Now take a look at the created files The OVF XML file describes the image, it makes for some interesting reading about the expectations of the running environment. ~ $ file Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze* Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze-disk1.vmdk: VMware4 disk image Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.ova: POSIX tar archive (GNU) Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.ovf: XML document text Recent versions of qemu are able to run directly from the VMDK file, buy why do that? Use QCOW2, it's better. Execute: qemu-img -h and the last line of output shows the supported formats. ~ $ qemu-img -h |tail -n1 Supported formats: raw cow qcow vdi vmdk cloop dmg bochs vpc vvfat qcow2 parallels nbd blkdebug sheepdog host_cdrom host_floppy host_device file Now actually convert it, this may take some time. ~ $ qemu-img convert -O qcow2 Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze-disk1.vmdk Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.qcow2 -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Virtualbox vs VMware for Fedora?
On 11/30/23 23:04, Jeffrey Walton wrote: I don't know how well QEMU/KVM/libvirt handle other disk images, like from VMware. I have done it. My Keeper: References: http://serverfault.com/questions/273982/virt-convert-ovf-to-kvm http://edoceo.com/notabene/ova-to-vmdk-to-qcow2 http://wiki.hackzine.org/sysadmin/kvm-import-ova.html Converting OVA for use with KVM / QCOW2 The OVA file is nothing more than a TAR archive, containing the .OVF and .VMDK files. Easy! Using Evergreen ILS for example: ~ $ file Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.ova Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.ova:POSIX tar archive (GNU) I'ts possible to use the tar command to list the contents ~ $ tar -tf Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.ova Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.ovf Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze-disk1.vmdk Simply extract those things... ~ $ tar -xvf Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.ova Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.ovf Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze-disk1.vmdk Now take a look at the created files The OVF XML file describes the image, it makes for some interesting reading about the expectations of the running environment. ~ $ file Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze* Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze-disk1.vmdk: VMware4 disk image Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.ova:POSIX tar archive (GNU) Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.ovf:XML document text Recent versions of qemu are able to run directly from the VMDK file, buy why do that? Use QCOW2, it's better. Execute: qemu-img -h and the last line of output shows the supported formats. ~ $ qemu-img -h |tail -n1 Supported formats: raw cow qcow vdi vmdk cloop dmg bochs vpc vvfat qcow2 parallels nbd blkdebug sheepdog host_cdrom host_floppy host_device file Now actually convert it, this may take some time. ~ $ qemu-img convert -O qcow2 Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze-disk1.vmdk Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.qcow2 -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Virtualbox vs VMware for Fedora?
On 11/30/23 23:11, Thomas Dineen wrote: "osx unlocker so I can run mac VM's" Help me out here in that I have very little experience with MAC OS: Are you running MAC OS in a VM? if yes how do you purchase MAC OS License? Thomas Dineen Hi Thomas, The OSx license states that you can only run it in a virtual machine is you first run it on Mac hardware. So you have to purchase a Mac and install Fedora on it, then run OSx in a VM. There are OSx hacks (Hackintosh), that you can run in a VM, but they are illegal. OSx does not play well with the other kiddies in the sand box. It is an Apple thing. Best to "rent-a-Mac" VM online to test things Mac. -T -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Virtualbox vs VMware for Fedora?
"osx unlocker so I can run mac VM's" Help me out here in that I have very little experience with MAC OS: Are you running MAC OS in a VM? if yes how do you purchase MAC OS License? Thomas Dineen On 11/30/2023 11:04 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 5:03 PM Sbob wrote: I am running Fedora39, I have run VMware workstation for years, and I have on and off had issues since VMware does not officially support Fedora, normally I run a patch after each kernel update and it mostly just works. I am also running the osx unlocker so I can run mac VM's I recently tried virtualbox on a spare laptop, havent looked at virtualbox in years, and I was impressed, a few questions for the community: - can I run the osx unlocker with virtualbox? - does virtualbox have the same issues where it needs a patch after each kernel and sometimes just breaks with a new kernel , even with the patch? I had trouble running VirtualBox on Fedora 39. I could not get the kernel modules to build correctly. But it happened around the time of F39 release, so that may have changed by now. I switched to QEMU/KVM/libvirt. The nice thing about these packages are, they are supported by the kernel out-of-the-box. You don't have to putz around with tainted modules or signing kernel modules. I don't know how well QEMU/KVM/libvirt handle other disk images, like from VMware. Jeff -- ___ users mailing list --users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email tousers-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct:https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines:https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives:https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it:https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue-- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Virtualbox vs VMware for Fedora?
On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 5:03 PM Sbob wrote: > > I am running Fedora39, I have run VMware workstation for years, and I > have on and off had issues since VMware does not officially support > Fedora, normally I run a patch after each kernel update and it mostly > just works. > > I am also running the osx unlocker so I can run mac VM's > > I recently tried virtualbox on a spare laptop, havent looked at > virtualbox in years, and I was impressed, a few questions for the community: > >- can I run the osx unlocker with virtualbox? > >- does virtualbox have the same issues where it needs a patch after > each kernel and sometimes > just breaks with a new kernel , even with the patch? I had trouble running VirtualBox on Fedora 39. I could not get the kernel modules to build correctly. But it happened around the time of F39 release, so that may have changed by now. I switched to QEMU/KVM/libvirt. The nice thing about these packages are, they are supported by the kernel out-of-the-box. You don't have to putz around with tainted modules or signing kernel modules. I don't know how well QEMU/KVM/libvirt handle other disk images, like from VMware. Jeff -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Virtualbox vs VMware for Fedora?
All; I am running Fedora39, I have run VMware workstation for years, and I have on and off had issues since VMware does not officially support Fedora, normally I run a patch after each kernel update and it mostly just works. I am also running the osx unlocker so I can run mac VM's I recently tried virtualbox on a spare laptop, havent looked at virtualbox in years, and I was impressed, a few questions for the community: - can I run the osx unlocker with virtualbox? - does virtualbox have the same issues where it needs a patch after each kernel and sometimes just breaks with a new kernel , even with the patch? Thanks in advance -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
