Re: Which scanner/copier do you use with Fedora?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2024-03-21 at 21:45 -0400, Charles Dennett wrote:
> 
> 
> On 3/21/24 17:36, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I keep reading good things said about Brother scanners/all-in-ones.
> > Reading into details, it's always one of two things. It also
> > involves a 
> > driver download, like hplip's modus operandi, and it's not really
> > an out 
> > of the box solution. Alternatively, the alleged printer model is
> > nowhere 
> > to be found in xsane's hardware database. So, it's basically pot
> > luck: 
> > buy it, and hope that it works.
> 
> I've been following this discussion because I currently have an HP-
> 4650 
> 3 in 1 inkjet and I'd like to replace it with a laser 3 in 1.  I've
> been 
> looking at the Brother DCP-L2640DW.  Right now it goes for $200. 
> I've 
> been looking to see if it works with Fedora but have not been having 
> much luck other than reviews on Amazon.  Some say it works out of the
> box on Linux and other say they had to download the driver.  I
> believe 
> it's rather new, being released last summer so I imagine it should
> work 
> as both a printer with cups and scanner with xsane.
> 
> Does anyone have any experience with this printer/scanner/copier?

I have the DCP-L2530DW, which I think is very similar (and probably
uses the same onboard software). Works perfectly.

poc
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Re: Which scanner/copier do you use with Fedora?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 3/22/24 00:11, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 3:08 AM Samuel Sieb  wrote:


On 3/22/24 00:02, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 2:52 AM Samuel Sieb  wrote:


On 3/21/24 23:46, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 2:04 AM Samuel Sieb  wrote:


On 3/18/24 18:09, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 3/18/24 17:49, Sam Varshavchik wrote:

Which scanner/copier does everyone use, that works out of the box with
Xsane?Printing would be nice but I already have an HP that does the
job for me.


I don't use xsane, but my Brother multi-function color laser scans with
the Gnome scanning app with no problems.  It depends on what you mean by
"out of the box".  I did install a driver at one point and I assume
that's still being used.


I've now checked and I can't find any installed driver and cups says
it's "driverless", so that would imply it working out of the box and I
would expect any newer models to do the same.


If it is driverless, it is probably using IPP or IPP over USB. See
.


Yes, it's a wifi printer and it's using IPP and it's working fine.  I
was just clarifying my previous comment where I thought I had installed
a driver.

Btw, my Fedora computer is apparently the only one that can print
double-sided properly to it.  The phones and Windows computers will only
print short side flip for some reason even if long is selected.  It's
very strange.


That sounds like
.


You got that completely backwards.  I have no issues at all using
Fedora.  It's everyone else that it isn't working for.


 From the section:

... Some devices declare less options via protocols - f.e.
 IPP 2.0+, WSD, eSCL - which support driverless solutions
 than via classic drivers...

It sounds like your WIndows machine is using WSD, and it is providing
fewer options than IPP.


The option is there, it just apparently doesn't work.  And it's not *my* 
Windows machine.  :-)  The kids run windows on their computers now that 
they bought their own.

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Re: Which scanner/copier do you use with Fedora?

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 3:08 AM Samuel Sieb  wrote:
>
> On 3/22/24 00:02, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 2:52 AM Samuel Sieb  wrote:
> >>
> >> On 3/21/24 23:46, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 2:04 AM Samuel Sieb  wrote:
> 
>  On 3/18/24 18:09, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > On 3/18/24 17:49, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> >> Which scanner/copier does everyone use, that works out of the box with
> >> Xsane?Printing would be nice but I already have an HP that does the
> >> job for me.
> >
> > I don't use xsane, but my Brother multi-function color laser scans with
> > the Gnome scanning app with no problems.  It depends on what you mean by
> > "out of the box".  I did install a driver at one point and I assume
> > that's still being used.
> 
>  I've now checked and I can't find any installed driver and cups says
>  it's "driverless", so that would imply it working out of the box and I
>  would expect any newer models to do the same.
> >>>
> >>> If it is driverless, it is probably using IPP or IPP over USB. See
> >>> .
> >>
> >> Yes, it's a wifi printer and it's using IPP and it's working fine.  I
> >> was just clarifying my previous comment where I thought I had installed
> >> a driver.
> >>
> >> Btw, my Fedora computer is apparently the only one that can print
> >> double-sided properly to it.  The phones and Windows computers will only
> >> print short side flip for some reason even if long is selected.  It's
> >> very strange.
> >
> > That sounds like
> > .
>
> You got that completely backwards.  I have no issues at all using
> Fedora.  It's everyone else that it isn't working for.

From the section:

   ... Some devices declare less options via protocols - f.e.
IPP 2.0+, WSD, eSCL - which support driverless solutions
than via classic drivers...

It sounds like your WIndows machine is using WSD, and it is providing
fewer options than IPP.

Jeff
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Re: Which scanner/copier do you use with Fedora?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 3/22/24 00:02, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 2:52 AM Samuel Sieb  wrote:


On 3/21/24 23:46, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 2:04 AM Samuel Sieb  wrote:


On 3/18/24 18:09, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 3/18/24 17:49, Sam Varshavchik wrote:

Which scanner/copier does everyone use, that works out of the box with
Xsane?Printing would be nice but I already have an HP that does the
job for me.


I don't use xsane, but my Brother multi-function color laser scans with
the Gnome scanning app with no problems.  It depends on what you mean by
"out of the box".  I did install a driver at one point and I assume
that's still being used.


I've now checked and I can't find any installed driver and cups says
it's "driverless", so that would imply it working out of the box and I
would expect any newer models to do the same.


If it is driverless, it is probably using IPP or IPP over USB. See
.


Yes, it's a wifi printer and it's using IPP and it's working fine.  I
was just clarifying my previous comment where I thought I had installed
a driver.

Btw, my Fedora computer is apparently the only one that can print
double-sided properly to it.  The phones and Windows computers will only
print short side flip for some reason even if long is selected.  It's
very strange.


That sounds like
.


You got that completely backwards.  I have no issues at all using 
Fedora.  It's everyone else that it isn't working for.

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Re: Which scanner/copier do you use with Fedora?

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 2:52 AM Samuel Sieb  wrote:
>
> On 3/21/24 23:46, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 2:04 AM Samuel Sieb  wrote:
> >>
> >> On 3/18/24 18:09, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> >>> On 3/18/24 17:49, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
>  Which scanner/copier does everyone use, that works out of the box with
>  Xsane?Printing would be nice but I already have an HP that does the
>  job for me.
> >>>
> >>> I don't use xsane, but my Brother multi-function color laser scans with
> >>> the Gnome scanning app with no problems.  It depends on what you mean by
> >>> "out of the box".  I did install a driver at one point and I assume
> >>> that's still being used.
> >>
> >> I've now checked and I can't find any installed driver and cups says
> >> it's "driverless", so that would imply it working out of the box and I
> >> would expect any newer models to do the same.
> >
> > If it is driverless, it is probably using IPP or IPP over USB. See
> > .
>
> Yes, it's a wifi printer and it's using IPP and it's working fine.  I
> was just clarifying my previous comment where I thought I had installed
> a driver.
>
> Btw, my Fedora computer is apparently the only one that can print
> double-sided properly to it.  The phones and Windows computers will only
> print short side flip for some reason even if long is selected.  It's
> very strange.

That sounds like
.

Jeff
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Re: Which scanner/copier do you use with Fedora?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 3/21/24 23:46, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 2:04 AM Samuel Sieb  wrote:


On 3/18/24 18:09, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 3/18/24 17:49, Sam Varshavchik wrote:

Which scanner/copier does everyone use, that works out of the box with
Xsane?Printing would be nice but I already have an HP that does the
job for me.


I don't use xsane, but my Brother multi-function color laser scans with
the Gnome scanning app with no problems.  It depends on what you mean by
"out of the box".  I did install a driver at one point and I assume
that's still being used.


I've now checked and I can't find any installed driver and cups says
it's "driverless", so that would imply it working out of the box and I
would expect any newer models to do the same.


If it is driverless, it is probably using IPP or IPP over USB. See
.


Yes, it's a wifi printer and it's using IPP and it's working fine.  I 
was just clarifying my previous comment where I thought I had installed 
a driver.


Btw, my Fedora computer is apparently the only one that can print 
double-sided properly to it.  The phones and Windows computers will only 
print short side flip for some reason even if long is selected.  It's 
very strange.

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Re: Which scanner/copier do you use with Fedora?

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 2:04 AM Samuel Sieb  wrote:
>
> On 3/18/24 18:09, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > On 3/18/24 17:49, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> >> Which scanner/copier does everyone use, that works out of the box with
> >> Xsane?Printing would be nice but I already have an HP that does the
> >> job for me.
> >
> > I don't use xsane, but my Brother multi-function color laser scans with
> > the Gnome scanning app with no problems.  It depends on what you mean by
> > "out of the box".  I did install a driver at one point and I assume
> > that's still being used.
>
> I've now checked and I can't find any installed driver and cups says
> it's "driverless", so that would imply it working out of the box and I
> would expect any newer models to do the same.

If it is driverless, it is probably using IPP or IPP over USB. See
.

Jeff
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Re: Which scanner/copier do you use with Fedora?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 3/18/24 18:09, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 3/18/24 17:49, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Which scanner/copier does everyone use, that works out of the box with 
Xsane?Printing would be nice but I already have an HP that does the 
job for me.


I don't use xsane, but my Brother multi-function color laser scans with 
the Gnome scanning app with no problems.  It depends on what you mean by 
"out of the box".  I did install a driver at one point and I assume 
that's still being used.


I've now checked and I can't find any installed driver and cups says 
it's "driverless", so that would imply it working out of the box and I 
would expect any newer models to do the same.

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Re: Which scanner/copier do you use with Fedora?

[Charles Dennett]

On 3/21/24 17:36, Sam Varshavchik wrote:



I keep reading good things said about Brother scanners/all-in-ones. 
Reading into details, it's always one of two things. It also involves a 
driver download, like hplip's modus operandi, and it's not really an out 
of the box solution. Alternatively, the alleged printer model is nowhere 
to be found in xsane's hardware database. So, it's basically pot luck: 
buy it, and hope that it works.


I've been following this discussion because I currently have an HP-4650 
3 in 1 inkjet and I'd like to replace it with a laser 3 in 1.  I've been 
looking at the Brother DCP-L2640DW.  Right now it goes for $200.  I've 
been looking to see if it works with Fedora but have not been having 
much luck other than reviews on Amazon.  Some say it works out of the 
box on Linux and other say they had to download the driver.  I believe 
it's rather new, being released last summer so I imagine it should work 
as both a printer with cups and scanner with xsane.


Does anyone have any experience with this printer/scanner/copier?

Thanks
Charles Dennett
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Re: Which scanner/copier do you use with Fedora?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2024-03-21 at 18:18 -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 5:36 PM Sam Varshavchik
>  wrote:
> > [...]
> > I keep reading good things said about Brother scanners/all-in-ones.
> > Reading
> > into details, it's always one of two things. It also involves a
> > driver
> > download, like hplip's modus operandi, and it's not really an out
> > of the box
> > solution. Alternatively, the alleged printer model is nowhere to be
> > found in
> > xsane's hardware database. So, it's basically pot luck: buy it, and
> > hope
> > that it works.
> 
> One comment about Brother... My mother uses Linux Mint and has a
> Brother MFC-J870DW All-in-One over USB. My complaint about the
> MFC-J870DW is, it only supplies a 32-bit driver. So we have to run
> the
> i386 multiarch gear on her 64-bit machine.
> 
> The MFC-J870DW is the only thing stopping me from:
> 
>     sudo apt-get purge $(dpkg --get-selections | grep ":i386" | awk
> '{print $1}')
>     sudo dpkg --remove-architecture i386
> 
> In the past we tried to set up the MFC-J870DW without the Brother
> driver. It never worked that way, so we had to install the driver. I
> suspect the problems had to do with the All-in-One connected directly
> to the machine via USB.

This might be useful:

https://wiki.debian.org/CUPSDriverlessPrinting#ippoverusb

It's for Debian but that doesn't seem to matter.

poc
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Re: Which scanner/copier do you use with Fedora?

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 5:36 PM Sam Varshavchik  wrote:
> [...]
> I keep reading good things said about Brother scanners/all-in-ones. Reading
> into details, it's always one of two things. It also involves a driver
> download, like hplip's modus operandi, and it's not really an out of the box
> solution. Alternatively, the alleged printer model is nowhere to be found in
> xsane's hardware database. So, it's basically pot luck: buy it, and hope
> that it works.

One comment about Brother... My mother uses Linux Mint and has a
Brother MFC-J870DW All-in-One over USB. My complaint about the
MFC-J870DW is, it only supplies a 32-bit driver. So we have to run the
i386 multiarch gear on her 64-bit machine.

The MFC-J870DW is the only thing stopping me from:

sudo apt-get purge $(dpkg --get-selections | grep ":i386" | awk
'{print $1}')
sudo dpkg --remove-architecture i386

In the past we tried to set up the MFC-J870DW without the Brother
driver. It never worked that way, so we had to install the driver. I
suspect the problems had to do with the All-in-One connected directly
to the machine via USB.

Jeff
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Re: Which scanner/copier do you use with Fedora?

[Stephen Morris]

On 22/3/24 08:36, Sam Varshavchik wrote:

Dave Ihnat writes:

But with the talk of using HP AiOs, I had to pipe up. I have advised 
all my
clients to no longer buy HP printers of any type, including the AiOs, 
and
will personally never buy another HP printer until and unless they 
back off

their current policies and practices.


I believe that the policies and practices described here are for HP's 
inkjets.


Their reputation definitely precedes them.

HP's laser printers had a little bit bit rep. I've had much better 
luck, historically, with HP's laser printers than with other brands. 
The one I'm currently wrangling with is a laser.


I keep reading good things said about Brother scanners/all-in-ones. 
Reading into details, it's always one of two things. It also involves 
a driver download, like hplip's modus operandi, and it's not really an 
out of the box solution. Alternatively, the alleged printer model is 
nowhere to be found in xsane's hardware database. So, it's basically 
pot luck: buy it, and hope that it works.


Anyway, I think I managed to get this HP to work over Ethernet. With a 
direct USB connection xsane is still erroring out. But Ethernet seems 
to be working.



But now they have. Take a look at:

https://www.wired.com/story/hp-all-in-plan-printer-subscription-service/


Yes, and looks like they're starting to push this onto the laser 
printers too, as I see from the packaging and the marketing material 
on this laser.
I have an Epson ET3700 All_in_one printer/scanner connected as a network 
device on my router via ethernet (it supports wifi but where it is 
situated it can see a wifi signal. I'm also using the 80211AX protocol 
on my router). Epson have a driver for the printer but I don't use it, I 
use the headerless driver from cups. I use simple document scanner for 
scanning and looking at the KDE Throbber I don't appear to have either 
Sane or Xsane installed on F39. The one issue I do have with Simple 
Scanner is on start up it doesn't see the scanner, I have to refresh its 
detection for it to see the device.


regards,
Steve




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Re: Which scanner/copier do you use with Fedora?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2024-03-21 at 17:36 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> I keep reading good things said about Brother scanners/all-in-ones.
> Reading  
> into details, it's always one of two things. It also involves a
> driver  
> download, like hplip's modus operandi, and it's not really an out of
> the box  
> solution.

As I already pointed out, my Brother unit did not require a driver
download. One is available, but I don't use it.

> Alternatively, the alleged printer model is nowhere to be found in  
> xsane's hardware database. So, it's basically pot luck: buy it, and
> hope that it works.

As I haven't tested every model of Brother all-in-one I can't guarantee
that they all work, but I'd be surprised is they didn't. This is the
way all such devices will be expected to work in the near future.

poc
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Re: Which scanner/copier do you use with Fedora?

[Sam Varshavchik]

Dave Ihnat writes:


But with the talk of using HP AiOs, I had to pipe up. I have advised all my
clients to no longer buy HP printers of any type, including the AiOs, and
will personally never buy another HP printer until and unless they back off
their current policies and practices.


I believe that the policies and practices described here are for HP's  
inkjets.


Their reputation definitely precedes them.

HP's laser printers had a little bit bit rep. I've had much better luck,  
historically, with HP's laser printers than with other brands. The one I'm  
currently wrangling with is a laser.


I keep reading good things said about Brother scanners/all-in-ones. Reading  
into details, it's always one of two things. It also involves a driver  
download, like hplip's modus operandi, and it's not really an out of the box  
solution. Alternatively, the alleged printer model is nowhere to be found in  
xsane's hardware database. So, it's basically pot luck: buy it, and hope  
that it works.


Anyway, I think I managed to get this HP to work over Ethernet. With a  
direct USB connection xsane is still erroring out. But Ethernet seems to be  
working.



But now they have. Take a look at:

   https://www.wired.com/story/hp-all-in-plan-printer-subscription-service/


Yes, and looks like they're starting to push this onto the laser printers  
too, as I see from the packaging and the marketing material on this laser.




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Re: Which scanner/copier do you use with Fedora?

[John Westerdale]

OS: Fedora 39
MFP: HP M477 -
Got Simple-scan working over network
Web Interface is clunky,
Printer console interface is too.
Software is mostly the typical Windows-Centric, though the HPLIP package
seems pretty tidy:
  https://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing/gethplip
Firmware updates -may- interfere with third party inks.
Time setting at one point required a full system reset - needed for Fax
Date time -due to lack of Time service.
Paper transport for Automatic Doc Feeder has been very solid.
Ink has been reliable after long offlne periods.

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Re: Which scanner/copier do you use with Fedora?

[Dave Ihnat]

I've been following this, but as I'm not currently using my scanner with
Fedora, I didn't pipe up. I, personally, am thoroughly satisfied with
Fujitsu scanners. My current one is a venerable SP-1425. Not cheap, but "do
one thing and do it well" certainly applies.

But with the talk of using HP AiOs, I had to pipe up. I have advised all my
clients to no longer buy HP printers of any type, including the AiOs, and
will personally never buy another HP printer until and unless they back off
their current policies and practices.

This first bit me at a client who purchased an HP AiO last year. It
insisted on tying itself to an HP account. I managed to get it to work
without doing so--and in a week, it stopped printing. Support insisted it
had to be connected to HP, and the client told me to do so. After it
connected, it updated the firmware without warning or requesting
permission--and immediately stopped printing because the toner in use was a
from a third-party vendor. They scrapped the printer and got a Brother.
(Note this was before HP actually admitted to what they were doing.)

But now they have. Take a look at:

   https://www.wired.com/story/hp-all-in-plan-printer-subscription-service/

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Re: Which scanner/copier do you use with Fedora?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2024-03-21 at 08:58 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> [root@monster ~]# airscan-discover
> [devices]
>   HP LaserJet MFP M234dw (CB1249) = http://192.168.0.19:8080/eSCL/,
> eSCL
>   HP LaserJet MFP M234dw (CB1249) = https://192.168.0.19:443/eSCL/,
> eSCL
>   HP LaserJet MFP M234dw (CB1249) = http://192.168.0.19:53048/, WSD
>   HP LaserJet MFP M234dw (CB1249) =
> http://[fe80::d2ad:8ff:fecb:1249%254]:53048/, WSD
> 
> It's not showing up in airscan-discover.
> 

Try 'sudo avahi-browse -a -t'

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Re: Which scanner/copier do you use with Fedora?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2024-03-21 at 08:58 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> Patrick O'Callaghan writes:
> 
> > My Brother all-in-one units (I've had two) have never done that.
> > Also,
> > I can get third-party toner cartridges for very reasonable prices.
> 
> Did you get that unit after crossing your fingers, and hoping that it
> works,  
> or did you verify compatibility somehow. I tried reconciling what's
> on the  
> market now versus xsane's hardware compatibility list without much
> luck.

No, I didn't check. I had an earlier Brother unit for years before it
finally gave up the ghost and I got an updated one (didn't even notice
it does double-sided printing until it worked :-). Any modern scanner
should support DNS-SD via Avahi on Linux. Even more so because
Microsoft has announced that they will no longer ship manufacturer
device drivers for printers and scanners, so the market is being pushed
into standardising. I don't know if some special use-cases might
require a device-specific driver, but I don't personally care.

As regards toner compatibility, Amazon has a number of brands that
work. I tend to get special offers of 2 at a time.

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Re: Which scanner/copier do you use with Fedora?

[Sam Varshavchik]

Patrick O'Callaghan writes:


My Brother all-in-one units (I've had two) have never done that. Also,
I can get third-party toner cartridges for very reasonable prices.


Did you get that unit after crossing your fingers, and hoping that it works,  
or did you verify compatibility somehow. I tried reconciling what's on the  
market now versus xsane's hardware compatibility list without much luck.


I ended up ordering an HP all in one, MFP 232, because hplip's hardware  
compatibility list claimed that model is fully supported, including scanning.


So it arrived. I used hplip to set it up, printing works fine. Pushing the  
"scan" button in hplip guided me through downloading the driver, then it  
launched xsane.


xsane sees the scanner. But the preview button hangs, then eventually comes  
back with a "Faied to star scanner: error during device I/O".


Based on my Google searches:

# scanimage -L
device `airscan:e1:HP LaserJet MFP M234dw (CB1249)' is a eSCL HP LaserJet  
MFP M234dw (CB1249) ip=192.168.0.19
device `hpaio:/net/HP_LaserJet_MFP_M232-M237?ip=192.168.0.19' is a Hewlett- 
Packard HP_LaserJet_MFP_M232-M237 all-in-one
device `hpaio:/net/laserjet_mfp_m232-m237?ip=192.168.0.19=false' is a  
Hewlett-Packard laserjet_mfp_m232-m237 all-in-one

[root@monster ~]# airscan-discover
[devices]
 HP LaserJet MFP M234dw (CB1249) = http://192.168.0.19:8080/eSCL/, eSCL
 HP LaserJet MFP M234dw (CB1249) = https://192.168.0.19:443/eSCL/, eSCL
 HP LaserJet MFP M234dw (CB1249) = http://192.168.0.19:53048/, WSD
 HP LaserJet MFP M234dw (CB1249) = 
http://[fe80::d2ad:8ff:fecb:1249%254]:53048/, WSD

It's not showing up in airscan-discover.

I have it connected via ethernet, I'm suspecting that scanning only works  
via a direct connection. Digging further…




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Re: Which scanner/copier do you use with Fedora?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2024-03-20 at 14:17 +1030, Tim via users wrote:
> On Tue, 2024-03-19 at 09:00 -0500, Thomas Cameron wrote:
> > But I will never buy another HP again. They screw you on the ink,
> > and 
> > they are apparently using DRM so you can't use third party ink.
> > Screw 
> > that. Never again.
> 
> It's a shame we can't override such shenanigans with custom drivers. 
> That and things like scanner/printer combos wasting all your ink when
> you scan to file without any printing.  It's also annoying that it
> wastes several minutes of your time doing that crap before it'll let
> you scan something.  I don't want to ever buy a combo unit again.
> 

My Brother all-in-one units (I've had two) have never done that. Also,
I can get third-party toner cartridges for very reasonable prices.


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Re: Which scanner/copier do you use with Fedora?

[Tim via users]

On Tue, 2024-03-19 at 09:00 -0500, Thomas Cameron wrote:
> But I will never buy another HP again. They screw you on the ink, and 
> they are apparently using DRM so you can't use third party ink. Screw 
> that. Never again.

It's a shame we can't override such shenanigans with custom drivers. 
That and things like scanner/printer combos wasting all your ink when
you scan to file without any printing.  It's also annoying that it
wastes several minutes of your time doing that crap before it'll let
you scan something.  I don't want to ever buy a combo unit again.

During the plague shutdowns there was some supply issues, so codes were
released for people to enter to override non-chipped ink tanks on some
models.  So there are ways to override that crap.

Just sell your ink at reasonable prices and we'll buy the genuine stuff
instead of the crap cheapies.
 
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Re: Which scanner/copier do you use with Fedora?

[R. G. Newbury]

On 2024-03-19 10:14, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:

Which scanner/copier do you use with Fedora?

If you need a fast scanner, with a document feeder, and double-sided, 
the Brother ADS1000 is fantastic.


It has a near vertical document feeder, which you can keep topped up 
with new pages. Works double-sided at up to 16ppm. Once did over 2,500 
pages in about 6 hours. Two of us working: one removing staples and 
paperclips, and in-bound/out-bound handling, one stamping Bates numbers 
and feeding the scanner, overseeing the laptop storage into various 
folders. At one point did over 200 pages without stopping, until a 
missed staple caused a blockage. Very fast in black and white, slightly 
slower in color.


And small! About 3"x4"x 12" long. Very portable. (The ADS1000 has been 
superseded by the ADS1200).


G.



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Re: Which scanner/copier do you use with Fedora?

[Terry Polzin]

HP M148


On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 10:00 AM Thomas Cameron <
thomas.came...@camerontech.com> wrote:

> On 3/18/24 19:49, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> > Which scanner/copier does everyone use, that works out of the box with
> > Xsane?Printing would be nice but I already have an HP that does the job
> > for me.
>
> I use an HP Color LaserJet MFP M281fdw [1], and it works *okay*. I set
> up scan to email and scan to shared folder, so it definitely does what I
> need as regards scanning and printing.
>
> But I will never buy another HP again. They screw you on the ink, and
> they are apparently using DRM so you can't use third party ink. Screw
> that. Never again.
>
> [1]
>
> https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/setup-user-guides/hp-color-laserjet-pro-m280-m281-multifunction-printer-series/model/14142491
>
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Re: Which scanner/copier do you use with Fedora?

[Thomas Cameron]

On 3/18/24 19:49, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Which scanner/copier does everyone use, that works out of the box with 
Xsane?Printing would be nice but I already have an HP that does the job 
for me.


I use an HP Color LaserJet MFP M281fdw [1], and it works *okay*. I set 
up scan to email and scan to shared folder, so it definitely does what I 
need as regards scanning and printing.


But I will never buy another HP again. They screw you on the ink, and 
they are apparently using DRM so you can't use third party ink. Screw 
that. Never again.


[1] 
https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/setup-user-guides/hp-color-laserjet-pro-m280-m281-multifunction-printer-series/model/14142491


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Re: Which scanner/copier do you use with Fedora?

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 8:49 PM Sam Varshavchik  wrote:
>
> Which scanner/copier does everyone use, that works out of the box with Xsane?
> Printing would be nice but I already have an HP that does the job for me.

I use an HP ScanJet Pro 4500 FN1 network scanner and a Color LaserJet
M252DW network printer. The ScanJet Pro also works with Skanlite.

The HP's replaced an old EPSON 633 WorkForce (and old HP B/W
LaserJet). I was not buying another all-in-one, where I could not use
the scanner because I did not have OEM ink in the printer.

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Re: Which scanner/copier do you use with Fedora?

[Go Canes]

On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 8:49 PM Sam Varshavchik  wrote:
> Which scanner/copier does everyone use, that works out of the box with Xsane?

Canon LIDE 400 over USB.  "Just works."
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Re: Which scanner/copier do you use with Fedora?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2024-03-18 at 20:49 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> Which scanner/copier does everyone use, that works out of the box
> with Xsane? 
> Printing would be nice but I already have an HP that does the job for
> me.

Brother DCP-L2539DW all-in-one wireless scanner/printer. Brother do
have binary drivers for this, but I don't use them.

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Re: Which scanner/copier do you use with Fedora?

[Samuel Sieb]

(I accidentally sent this as a direct reply first.)

On 3/18/24 17:49, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Which scanner/copier does everyone use, that works out of the box with 
Xsane?Printing would be nice but I already have an HP that does the job 
for me.


I don't use xsane, but my Brother multi-function color laser scans with 
the Gnome scanning app with no problems.  It depends on what you mean by 
"out of the box".  I did install a driver at one point and I assume 
that's still being used.

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Re: Which scanner/copier do you use with Fedora?

[Tom Horsley]

On Mon, 18 Mar 2024 20:49:32 -0400
Sam Varshavchik wrote:

> Which scanner/copier does everyone use, that works out of the box with Xsane? 
> Printing would be nice but I already have an HP that does the job for me.

I've got a CanoScan LiDE 300 which surprised me by working with xsane
out of the box (I was prepared to pass through the USB to a Windows virtual
machine if I had to). It is a stand alone flatbed scanner, no other
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Re: Which scanner/copier do you use with Fedora?

[Javier Perez]

Canon Pixma G6000 series

On Mon, Mar 18, 2024, 19:49 Sam Varshavchik  wrote:

> Which scanner/copier does everyone use, that works out of the box with
> Xsane?
> Printing would be nice but I already have an HP that does the job for me.
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Which scanner/copier do you use with Fedora?

[Sam Varshavchik]

Which scanner/copier does everyone use, that works out of the box with Xsane? 
Printing would be nice but I already have an HP that does the job for me.


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