Re: Wrestling with UEFI
> Added a Fedora 37 and Fedora 38 installations on separate drives to a > Windows system. Default boot is the Windows 10 system. Using the boot > menu gets me to grub which can boot the system of my choice. > > When the Fedora 38 install goes to sleep it doesn't come back to Fedora > but boots to the Windows install. ... when the box initial was installed with windows *I* guess the BIOS boot option still points to windows. point it to Fedora and run sudo grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg to include Windows into grub's bootmanagement (keyword: os-prober) No ? ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Wrestling with UEFI
> Added a Fedora 37 and Fedora 38 installations on separate drives to a > Windows system. Default boot is the Windows 10 system. Using the boot > menu gets me to grub which can boot the system of my choice. > > When the Fedora 38 install goes to sleep it doesn't come back to Fedora > but boots to the Windows install. ... when the box initial was installed with windows *I* guess the BIOS boot option still point to windows. point it to Fedora and run sudo grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg to include Windows into grub's bootmanagement (keyword: os-prober) No ? ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Wrestling with UEFI
On 8/23/23 19:43, Tim via users wrote: On Wed, 2023-08-23 at 15:27 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: It only worked when Windows was an option from the GRUB menu. That is not done on UEFI systems because of secure boot. If Windows can set a flag in UEFI to tell it what to boot up from next, can't Fedora do the same trick? You can try. See "man efibootmgr" for details. There's a bootnext setting that might work depending on the BIOS. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Wrestling with UEFI
On Wed, 2023-08-23 at 15:27 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: > It only worked when Windows was an option from the GRUB menu. That is > not done on UEFI systems because of secure boot. If Windows can set a flag in UEFI to tell it what to boot up from next, can't Fedora do the same trick? -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.95.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon Jul 24 13:59:37 UTC 2023 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Wrestling with UEFI
On 8/23/23 15:20, Barry wrote: On 22 Aug 2023, at 08:14, Tim via users wrote: (b) Use the "save default" GRUB options so that GRUB records which option you chose to boot from This only works to pick between fedora version these days. It will not remember you last booted to windows. This stopped working when the BLS change was made. It only worked when Windows was an option from the GRUB menu. That is not done on UEFI systems because of secure boot. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Wrestling with UEFI
> On 22 Aug 2023, at 08:14, Tim via users wrote: > > (b) Use the "save default" GRUB options so that GRUB records which > option you chose to boot from This only works to pick between fedora version these days. It will not remember you last booted to windows. This stopped working when the BLS change was made. Barry ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Wrestling with UEFI
On 8/22/23 09:46, stan via users wrote: On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 08:11:02 -0400 Robert McBroom via users wrote: looked in system settings, screensaver settings, powermanager settings and did not find the magic button. Using LXDE. I had this happen to me at one point because the XFCE screensaver started automatically, even if XFCE wasn't running. I have all the desktops installed so I can use their programs even if I'm not running them directly, and boot them if I choose. So, if you have any other desktop installed, or even other desktop applications, this might be the case for you as well. It seems that Gnome has a default to go to sleep automatically after 15 minutes of idle time, regardless of any other settings. The thread Tim pointed to has tips on how to turn that off. Followed that thread as it grew, didn't see a connection as using SDDM, and LXDE.___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Wrestling with UEFI
On Wed, 2023-08-23 at 10:15 +0930, Tim via users wrote: > On Tue, 2023-08-22 at 17:15 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > AFAIK this is at least partly controlled by GDM, so using a > > different > > login manager such as SDDM is likely to fix it without having to > > edit > > anything. I use SDDM and have never had to put up with this. > > Wondering... Does having GDM installed, but not being used, also > cause > this problem? I do have it installed, so I'd say no. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Wrestling with UEFI
On Tue, 2023-08-22 at 17:15 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > AFAIK this is at least partly controlled by GDM, so using a different > login manager such as SDDM is likely to fix it without having to edit > anything. I use SDDM and have never had to put up with this. Wondering... Does having GDM installed, but not being used, also cause this problem? -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.95.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon Jul 24 13:59:37 UTC 2023 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Wrestling with UEFI
On Tue, 2023-08-22 at 06:46 -0700, stan via users wrote: > On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 08:11:02 -0400 > Robert McBroom via users wrote: > > > looked in system settings, screensaver settings, powermanager > > settings and did not find the magic button. Using LXDE. > > I had this happen to me at one point because the XFCE screensaver > started automatically, even if XFCE wasn't running. I have all the > desktops installed so I can use their programs even if I'm not > running > them directly, and boot them if I choose. So, if you have any other > desktop installed, or even other desktop applications, this might be > the case for you as well. It seems that Gnome has a default to go to > sleep automatically after 15 minutes of idle time, regardless of any > other settings. The thread Tim pointed to has tips on how to turn > that off. AFAIK this is at least partly controlled by GDM, so using a different login manager such as SDDM is likely to fix it without having to edit anything. I use SDDM and have never had to put up with this. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Wrestling with UEFI
On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 08:11:02 -0400 Robert McBroom via users wrote: > looked in system settings, screensaver settings, powermanager > settings and did not find the magic button. Using LXDE. I had this happen to me at one point because the XFCE screensaver started automatically, even if XFCE wasn't running. I have all the desktops installed so I can use their programs even if I'm not running them directly, and boot them if I choose. So, if you have any other desktop installed, or even other desktop applications, this might be the case for you as well. It seems that Gnome has a default to go to sleep automatically after 15 minutes of idle time, regardless of any other settings. The thread Tim pointed to has tips on how to turn that off. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Wrestling with UEFI
On 8/22/23 01:04, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 8/21/23 21:06, Robert McBroom via users wrote: Added a Fedora 37 and Fedora 38 installations on separate drives to a Windows system. Default boot is the Windows 10 system. Using the boot menu gets me to grub which can boot the system of my choice. When the Fedora 38 install goes to sleep it doesn't come back to Fedora but boots to the Windows install. Keeps going to sleep in a frustratingly short time. The screensaver time setting don't seem to interact with the powermanagement settings. Never doesn't seem to be never. It's not the screensaver time, it's the sleep time setting. But also, if it's booting again, then the sleep isn't even working. What will make fedora stay in its own neighborhood? If the default boot is windows, then any time it reboots, it will go there. You either need to disable the sleeping or figure out why it's not working properly. looked in system settings, screensaver settings, powermanager settings and did not find the magic button. Using LXDE. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Wrestling with UEFI
On Tue, 2023-08-22 at 00:06 -0400, Robert McBroom via users wrote: > Added a Fedora 37 and Fedora 38 installations on separate drives to a > Windows system. Default boot is the Windows 10 system. Using the boot > menu gets me to grub which can boot the system of my choice. > When the Fedora 38 install goes to sleep it doesn't come back to > Fedora but boots to the Windows install. I don't know if it holds true, still. But the old answer to that quandary was to: (a) Make sure that GRUB controls your entire boot process (you see it first, no matter what, and you boot to Windows through it). (b) Use the "save default" GRUB options so that GRUB records which option you chose to boot from, and that choice will become the default choice the next time you boot up. (c) You set GRUB options for where your hibernate file is, so it knows where to un-hibernate from. > Keeps going to sleep in a frustratingly short time. The screensaver > time setting don't seem to interact with the powermanagement > settings. Never doesn't seem to be never. That's being debated right now, and over the last week or so. The regime has decided that to save power (and the planet) a PC must shut down if it's been left idle for 15 minutes. All unproductive workers must be sacked, and their PCs put to sleep. *Your* power management settings only apply to the PC while you're logged into it. If someone else logs in, they need to set their power management options, separately. And if no-one is logged in, the login manager's settings (GDM on Gnome) are in charge, and there's some gconf (or is it dconf) voodoo to set it's settings - which I can't remember, but it's on this list somewhere, and here's a link that Todd provided about it earlier: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/gnome-suspends-after-15-minutes-of-user-inactivity-even-on-ac-power/79801 Otherwise search the last week's messages for "suspending" in the subject. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.95.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon Jul 24 13:59:37 UTC 2023 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Wrestling with UEFI
On 8/21/23 21:06, Robert McBroom via users wrote: Added a Fedora 37 and Fedora 38 installations on separate drives to a Windows system. Default boot is the Windows 10 system. Using the boot menu gets me to grub which can boot the system of my choice. When the Fedora 38 install goes to sleep it doesn't come back to Fedora but boots to the Windows install. Keeps going to sleep in a frustratingly short time. The screensaver time setting don't seem to interact with the powermanagement settings. Never doesn't seem to be never. It's not the screensaver time, it's the sleep time setting. But also, if it's booting again, then the sleep isn't even working. What will make fedora stay in its own neighborhood? If the default boot is windows, then any time it reboots, it will go there. You either need to disable the sleeping or figure out why it's not working properly. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Wrestling with UEFI
Added a Fedora 37 and Fedora 38 installations on separate drives to a Windows system. Default boot is the Windows 10 system. Using the boot menu gets me to grub which can boot the system of my choice. When the Fedora 38 install goes to sleep it doesn't come back to Fedora but boots to the Windows install. Keeps going to sleep in a frustratingly short time. The screensaver time setting don't seem to interact with the powermanagement settings. Never doesn't seem to be never. What will make fedora stay in its own neighborhood? ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
