Re: curious -- looking for thoughts/opinions
On Wed, 2023-03-22 at 08:45 -0400, bruce wrote: > What I've got on my rough process is a complete list of installed > apps as well as libs/files from the different sys dirs... and the var > dirs.. Most libs (and other system files) will be installed by whatever packages you install (that's if you've been installing packages from the repos). One thing I do, post-installation, is when I'm adding any extra apps that aren't default, I'll write a log into root's homespace. As I'm yum/dnf installing whatever, I'll copy the commands into my post- install log. That gives me a reminder, for next time, of the things I added. Yes, I know dnf has a history but it's handy to have some notes about what you chose to install, without having to care about the extra bits it dragged in as dependencies. And a year later, your dnf history might be quite long, as opposed to reading a text file of the 8 things you added after a default install. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.88.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Mar 7 15:41:52 UTC 2023 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: curious -- looking for thoughts/opinions
You might have a look at https://starlabs.systems/. Designed and supported in the UK. Custom mfg in China. On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 16:13:03 -0500 Roger Heflin wrote: > I have been buying the lowest priced HP/Acer/ASUS that has the > features I want. I don't know that there is much difference between > them, and I am not sure who the real maker/designed of the laptop is. > > See the ODM section on this page; From that it becomes clear you have > zero idea who really made/designed the product and how good of a job > they did. So pick the price and features that you want and ignore > the Brand as the brand seems to matter little anymore. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_laptop_brands_and_manufacturers > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 10:36 AM bruce wrote: > > > > Hi George. > > > > The laptop in question would be one of the AMD 5 ryzen 6/10 core > > systems from the hp site. > > > > I'd add mem/1TB internal drive as well. > > > > thanks for your comments! > > > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 10:05 AM George N. White III > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 10:21 PM bruce > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Hi. > > >> > > >> Looking at getting another laptop. > > >> > > >> Any thoughts on completely transferring as well as updating the > > >> data on the current drive to the new laptop. > > > > > > > > > I populate my home directory on a new machine from the backup of > > > the old machine. In the past I used NFS, but now my backups are > > > on USB drives. It Is helpful to have the old machine in working > > > order to troubleshoot things that break on the new system > > > (usually my own programs that use a library that is no longer > > > available from distros — a hint that I need to find a newer > > > library. > > >> > > >> > > >> Assume I might be dealing with a diff flavor of linux. I'm not > > >> sure what the new laptop will have. > > >> > > >> I don't want bleeding edge fedora.. (unless I change my mind). > > >> > > >> I don't want RHEL/centos -- I'd like to be newer. > > >> > > >> So, give me your thoughts as well as best practice that you use > > >> for this kind of process... > [...] ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: curious -- looking for thoughts/opinions
I have been buying the lowest priced HP/Acer/ASUS that has the features I want. I don't know that there is much difference between them, and I am not sure who the real maker/designed of the laptop is. See the ODM section on this page; From that it becomes clear you have zero idea who really made/designed the product and how good of a job they did. So pick the price and features that you want and ignore the Brand as the brand seems to matter little anymore. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_laptop_brands_and_manufacturers On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 10:36 AM bruce wrote: > > Hi George. > > The laptop in question would be one of the AMD 5 ryzen 6/10 core > systems from the hp site. > > I'd add mem/1TB internal drive as well. > > thanks for your comments! > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 10:05 AM George N. White III wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 10:21 PM bruce wrote: > >> > >> Hi. > >> > >> Looking at getting another laptop. > >> > >> Any thoughts on completely transferring as well as updating the data > >> on the current drive to the new laptop. > > > > > > I populate my home directory on a new machine from the backup of the old > > machine. In the past I used NFS, but now my backups are on USB drives. It > > Is helpful to have the old machine in working order to troubleshoot things > > that break on the new system (usually my own programs that use a library > > that > > is no longer available from distros — a hint that I need to find a newer > > library. > >> > >> > >> Assume I might be dealing with a diff flavor of linux. I'm not sure > >> what the new laptop will have. > >> > >> I don't want bleeding edge fedora.. (unless I change my mind). > >> > >> I don't want RHEL/centos -- I'd like to be newer. > >> > >> So, give me your thoughts as well as best practice that you use for > >> this kind of process... > > > > > > I find there are often issues with newer systems. At present, businesses > > are > > dumping windows systems that won’t run Win11, so you can find higher end > > laptops 2 or 3 years old at bargain prices. Many are excellent linux > > platforms, > > but you need to check on linux-hardware.org. There are often issues with > > display brightness, sound, or wifi. I deal with by updating the wifi and > > using a USB > > sound dongle or a high end USB sound device. > > > > Laptops this age generally allow you to upgrade internal wifi, RAM, and > > SSD. If > > you are considering a big-name laptop with linux pre-installed, you may be > > able to > > check the specs at linux-hardware.org. > > > > -- > > George N. White III > > > > ___ > > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > > Fedora Code of Conduct: > > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > > List Archives: > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > > Do not reply to spam, report it: > > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: curious -- looking for thoughts/opinions
On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 12:36 PM bruce wrote: > Hi George. > > The laptop in question would be one of the AMD 5 ryzen 6/10 core > systems from the hp site. > > I'd add mem/1TB internal drive as well. > I'm careful to have a 2nd power source laptops (these days a 3rd party USB C charger can often be used). They are often left behind in hotels or meetings, and are prone to failure. My youngest dog ran through the charger cable for a laptop last night, killing the charger, so now I'm using a Dewalt USB C charger and cable (it came with an adapter I use to charge devices from Dewalt batteries during power outages) in place of the original proprietary charger. Many new laptops (even high-end Dell XPS) now get only a 1-year warranty: HP Dev One 1 year of parts, 1 year of labor and no onsite coverage limited warranty (1/1/0 warranty). Standard one-year limited warranty covers repairs or replacement of parts that are deemed defective. Apple gives a 1-year warranty on refurbished Intel macbooks. They are close to my 3-year "best before" limit, and has the silly touch bar that may not ever work in linux. HP Dev One is sold out, but it is worth comparing hardware specs with ones you are considering and looking at user reports for the Dev One models. -- George N. White III ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: curious -- looking for thoughts/opinions
Hi George. The laptop in question would be one of the AMD 5 ryzen 6/10 core systems from the hp site. I'd add mem/1TB internal drive as well. thanks for your comments! On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 10:05 AM George N. White III wrote: > > > > On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 10:21 PM bruce wrote: >> >> Hi. >> >> Looking at getting another laptop. >> >> Any thoughts on completely transferring as well as updating the data >> on the current drive to the new laptop. > > > I populate my home directory on a new machine from the backup of the old > machine. In the past I used NFS, but now my backups are on USB drives. It > Is helpful to have the old machine in working order to troubleshoot things > that break on the new system (usually my own programs that use a library that > is no longer available from distros — a hint that I need to find a newer > library. >> >> >> Assume I might be dealing with a diff flavor of linux. I'm not sure >> what the new laptop will have. >> >> I don't want bleeding edge fedora.. (unless I change my mind). >> >> I don't want RHEL/centos -- I'd like to be newer. >> >> So, give me your thoughts as well as best practice that you use for >> this kind of process... > > > I find there are often issues with newer systems. At present, businesses are > dumping windows systems that won’t run Win11, so you can find higher end > laptops 2 or 3 years old at bargain prices. Many are excellent linux > platforms, > but you need to check on linux-hardware.org. There are often issues with > display brightness, sound, or wifi. I deal with by updating the wifi and > using a USB > sound dongle or a high end USB sound device. > > Laptops this age generally allow you to upgrade internal wifi, RAM, and SSD. > If > you are considering a big-name laptop with linux pre-installed, you may be > able to > check the specs at linux-hardware.org. > > -- > George N. White III > > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: curious -- looking for thoughts/opinions
On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 10:21 PM bruce wrote: > Hi. > > Looking at getting another laptop. > > Any thoughts on completely transferring as well as updating the data > on the current drive to the new laptop. I populate my home directory on a new machine from the backup of the old machine. In the past I used NFS, but now my backups are on USB drives. It Is helpful to have the old machine in working order to troubleshoot things that break on the new system (usually my own programs that use a library that is no longer available from distros — a hint that I need to find a newer library. > > Assume I might be dealing with a diff flavor of linux. I'm not sure > what the new laptop will have. > > I don't want bleeding edge fedora.. (unless I change my mind). > > I don't want RHEL/centos -- I'd like to be newer. > > So, give me your thoughts as well as best practice that you use for > this kind of process... I find there are often issues with newer systems. At present, businesses are dumping windows systems that won’t run Win11, so you can find higher end laptops 2 or 3 years old at bargain prices. Many are excellent linux platforms, but you need to check on linux-hardware.org. There are often issues with display brightness, sound, or wifi. I deal with by updating the wifi and using a USB sound dongle or a high end USB sound device. Laptops this age generally allow you to upgrade internal wifi, RAM, and SSD. If you are considering a big-name laptop with linux pre-installed, you may be able to check the specs at linux-hardware.org. -- George N. White III ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: curious -- looking for thoughts/opinions
hi Tim. thanks. Hadn't even thought of the possibility issue of not being able to access the internal components for upgrading. Another issue. What I've got on my rough process is a complete list of installed apps as well as libs/files from the different sys dirs... and the var dirs.. I've tested some of this in the past with a cheap cloud instance to see how well the basic process works. Of course there would be all the rest of the stuff. security stuff. user dirs/stuff thanks On Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 12:44 AM Tim via users wrote: > On Tue, 2023-03-21 at 21:21 -0400, Bruce wrote: > > So, give me your thoughts as well as best practice that you use for > > this kind of process... > > With older laptops it was quite easy to remove the hard drive, new very > slim laptops are more like a sealed unit. > > But my method of your kind of upgrade would be to set up your new > laptop as a completely new device. Get it working, experiment with it. > If you mess up the installation, it's perfectly safe to restart without > losing any of your data. And you have the opportunity to try other > releases, too. > > Then, when you're happy with it, unplug your old laptop hard drive, > connect it to the new system via a USB/SATA docking station of some > kind, *copy* your user data onto the new system. Unplug your old hard > drive, and store it safely as a backup of your data. > > For the "sealed device" problem, there are networking options you can > use to copy your own files over. > > -- > > uname -rsvp > Linux 3.10.0-1160.88.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Mar 7 15:41:52 UTC 2023 x86_64 > > Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. > I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. > > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue > ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: curious -- looking for thoughts/opinions
On Tue, 2023-03-21 at 21:21 -0400, Bruce wrote: > So, give me your thoughts as well as best practice that you use for > this kind of process... With older laptops it was quite easy to remove the hard drive, new very slim laptops are more like a sealed unit. But my method of your kind of upgrade would be to set up your new laptop as a completely new device. Get it working, experiment with it. If you mess up the installation, it's perfectly safe to restart without losing any of your data. And you have the opportunity to try other releases, too. Then, when you're happy with it, unplug your old laptop hard drive, connect it to the new system via a USB/SATA docking station of some kind, *copy* your user data onto the new system. Unplug your old hard drive, and store it safely as a backup of your data. For the "sealed device" problem, there are networking options you can use to copy your own files over. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.88.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Mar 7 15:41:52 UTC 2023 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: curious -- looking for thoughts/opinions
On 3/21/23 18:21, bruce wrote: Looking at getting another laptop. Any thoughts on completely transferring as well as updating the data on the current drive to the new laptop. Assume I might be dealing with a diff flavor of linux. I'm not sure what the new laptop will have. I don't want bleeding edge fedora.. (unless I change my mind). Since you don't want to use Fedora (which isn't bleeding edge unless you use rawhide), this really isn't the right place to be asking. And if you're going to be changing distros, then you can't copy the system anyway. Just copy your home directory files. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
curious -- looking for thoughts/opinions
Hi. Looking at getting another laptop. Any thoughts on completely transferring as well as updating the data on the current drive to the new laptop. Assume I might be dealing with a diff flavor of linux. I'm not sure what the new laptop will have. I don't want bleeding edge fedora.. (unless I change my mind). I don't want RHEL/centos -- I'd like to be newer. So, give me your thoughts as well as best practice that you use for this kind of process... thanks! ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
