Re: external USB drives

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 7/4/19 4:33 AM, wwp wrote:

Hello,


On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 15:42:31 -0700 ToddAndMargo via users 
 wrote:


On 7/3/19 1:50 PM, Paolo Galtieri wrote:

Folks,
   I recently purchased a 4TB external USB drive.  I have purchased USB > drives 
in the past and have run dosfslabel to set the drive label.  When > I tried this 
on F29 I get the following:

dosfslabel /dev/sdc2 NEW_LABEL

Currently, only 1 or 2 FATs are supported, not 0.

I have 2 8TB drives which I labeled some time ago without a problem, but > now 
I get the same error when I try to print out the drive label

dosfslabel /dev/sdd2

Currently, only 1 or 2 FATs are supported, not 0.

The new drive shows up on the desktop as:

"Seagate Expansion Drive"

I tried the same thing on F30 with the same result.

Can someone tell me what's going on?

Paolo

Hi Paolo,

It is probably formatted in NTFS.

For the sake of the archives, I've just bought several ones too (the
5TB model), they are seen by gparted as exFat. Reformatted to ext4,
tune2fs'ed and put in production.


gparted is our friend.

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Re: external USB drives

[wwp]

Hello,


On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 15:42:31 -0700 ToddAndMargo via users 
 wrote:

> On 7/3/19 1:50 PM, Paolo Galtieri wrote:
> > Folks,
> >   I recently purchased a 4TB external USB drive.  I have purchased USB > 
> > drives in the past and have run dosfslabel to set the drive label.  When > 
> > I tried this on F29 I get the following:
> > 
> > dosfslabel /dev/sdc2 NEW_LABEL
> > 
> > Currently, only 1 or 2 FATs are supported, not 0.
> > 
> > I have 2 8TB drives which I labeled some time ago without a problem, but > 
> > now I get the same error when I try to print out the drive label
> > 
> > dosfslabel /dev/sdd2
> > 
> > Currently, only 1 or 2 FATs are supported, not 0.
> > 
> > The new drive shows up on the desktop as:
> > 
> > "Seagate Expansion Drive"
> > 
> > I tried the same thing on F30 with the same result.
> > 
> > Can someone tell me what's going on?
> > 
> > Paolo  
> 
> Hi Paolo,
> 
> It is probably formatted in NTFS.

For the sake of the archives, I've just bought several ones too (the
5TB model), they are seen by gparted as exFat. Reformatted to ext4,
tune2fs'ed and put in production.


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Re: external USB drives

[Tim via users]

On Wed, 2019-07-03 at 18:25 -0700, Paolo Galtieri wrote:
> Device Boot StartEndSectors  Size Id Type
> /dev/sdc1  * 2048 3907029166 3907027119  1.8T  7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT

Don't forget that when you use partitioning tools to look at a drive,
they look at the flags on the partitions for the types of partition. 
The filesystem that's actually used on the drive can be different.

I can carve up a drive saying that a partition is MSDOS.  But when I
format that partition, I could format it as EXT3.  MSDOS would be
offered as the default choice by any interactive tool, but I could
override that.  And command line tools will do what I tell them to,
right from the get go.

Afterwards, the filesystem would be whatever I picked.  But the
partition header would still say whatever it was previously.
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Re: external USB drives

[Samuel Sieb]

On 7/3/19 6:25 PM, Paolo Galtieri wrote:
I managed to figure that out after I sent the email.  What confused me 
was that for 1 and 2 TB drives fdisk -l says the drives are:


Device Boot Start    End    Sectors  Size Id Type
/dev/sdc1  * 2048 3907029166 3907027119  1.8T  7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT

for 4 and 8 TB drives dfisk -l shows

Device  Start End Sectors  Size Type
/dev/sdd1  34  262177  262144  128M Microsoft reserved
/dev/sdd2  264192 15628052479 15627788288  7.3T Microsoft basic data

so I assumed (incorrectly) FAT.  It was only afterwards that I thought 
NTFS.


The reason that it looks different is because drives over 3TB have to 
use a GPT partition table.

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Re: external USB drives

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 7/3/19 6:25 PM, Paolo Galtieri wrote:
I managed to figure that out after I sent the email.  What confused me 
was that for 1 and 2 TB drives fdisk -l says the drives are:


Device Boot Start    End    Sectors  Size Id Type
/dev/sdc1  * 2048 3907029166 3907027119  1.8T  7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT

for 4 and 8 TB drives dfisk -l shows

Device  Start End Sectors  Size Type
/dev/sdd1  34  262177  262144  128M Microsoft reserved
/dev/sdd2  264192 15628052479 15627788288  7.3T Microsoft basic data

so I assumed (incorrectly) FAT.  It was only afterwards that I thought 
NTFS.


Oh well, live and learn :-)

Paolo


Hi Paolo,

If you have not started using the drive yet and your are not
going to share it with Windows or Mac, you can wipe the
drive (gparted --> device -> create partition table) and
set it to GPT (XP can't read GPT.) and ext4.  You will
love the results.

-T

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Re: external USB drives

[Paolo Galtieri]

I managed to figure that out after I sent the email.  What confused me 
was that for 1 and 2 TB drives fdisk -l says the drives are:


Device Boot Start    End    Sectors  Size Id Type
/dev/sdc1  * 2048 3907029166 3907027119  1.8T  7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT

for 4 and 8 TB drives dfisk -l shows

Device  Start End Sectors  Size Type
/dev/sdd1  34  262177  262144  128M Microsoft reserved
/dev/sdd2  264192 15628052479 15627788288  7.3T Microsoft basic data

so I assumed (incorrectly) FAT.  It was only afterwards that I thought NTFS.

Oh well, live and learn :-)

Paolo

On 7/3/19 3:42 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 7/3/19 1:50 PM, Paolo Galtieri wrote:

Folks,
  I recently purchased a 4TB external USB drive.  I have purchased 
USB drives in the past and have run dosfslabel to set the drive 
label.  When I tried this on F29 I get the following:


dosfslabel /dev/sdc2 NEW_LABEL

Currently, only 1 or 2 FATs are supported, not 0.

I have 2 8TB drives which I labeled some time ago without a problem, 
but now I get the same error when I try to print out the drive label


dosfslabel /dev/sdd2

Currently, only 1 or 2 FATs are supported, not 0.

The new drive shows up on the desktop as:

"Seagate Expansion Drive"

I tried the same thing on F30 with the same result.

Can someone tell me what's going on?

Paolo


Hi Paolo,

It is probably formatted in NTFS.

The best way I have found for setting drive labes is
gparted

 # dnf install gparted

It is a graphical interface4 and gives you tons of information.
First thing I would do it check to see if it is NTFS.

The label is under the "partition" drop down.

And you can always wipe and create whatever partition type
you want.

HTH,
-T



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Re: external USB drives

[Samuel Sieb]

On 7/3/19 1:50 PM, Paolo Galtieri wrote:
  I recently purchased a 4TB external USB drive.  I have purchased USB 
drives in the past and have run dosfslabel to set the drive label.  When 
I tried this on F29 I get the following:


dosfslabel /dev/sdc2 NEW_LABEL

Currently, only 1 or 2 FATs are supported, not 0.

Can someone tell me what's going on?


What does "lsblk -f /dev/sdc" show?  Change sdc to whatever drive you 
want to check.

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Re: external USB drives

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 7/3/19 1:50 PM, Paolo Galtieri wrote:

Folks,
  I recently purchased a 4TB external USB drive.  I have purchased USB 
drives in the past and have run dosfslabel to set the drive label.  When 
I tried this on F29 I get the following:


dosfslabel /dev/sdc2 NEW_LABEL

Currently, only 1 or 2 FATs are supported, not 0.

I have 2 8TB drives which I labeled some time ago without a problem, but 
now I get the same error when I try to print out the drive label


dosfslabel /dev/sdd2

Currently, only 1 or 2 FATs are supported, not 0.

The new drive shows up on the desktop as:

"Seagate Expansion Drive"

I tried the same thing on F30 with the same result.

Can someone tell me what's going on?

Paolo


Hi Paolo,

It is probably formatted in NTFS.

The best way I have found for setting drive labes is
gparted

 # dnf install gparted

It is a graphical interface4 and gives you tons of information.
First thing I would do it check to see if it is NTFS.

The label is under the "partition" drop down.

And you can always wipe and create whatever partition type
you want.

HTH,
-T



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external USB drives

[Paolo Galtieri]

Folks,
 I recently purchased a 4TB external USB drive.  I have purchased USB 
drives in the past and have run dosfslabel to set the drive label.  When 
I tried this on F29 I get the following:


dosfslabel /dev/sdc2 NEW_LABEL

Currently, only 1 or 2 FATs are supported, not 0.

I have 2 8TB drives which I labeled some time ago without a problem, but 
now I get the same error when I try to print out the drive label


dosfslabel /dev/sdd2

Currently, only 1 or 2 FATs are supported, not 0.

The new drive shows up on the desktop as:

"Seagate Expansion Drive"

I tried the same thing on F30 with the same result.

Can someone tell me what's going on?

Paolo
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Re: F 18 problem accessing external usb drives with XFS

[Paul Erickson]

On 04/15/2013 03:47 AM, Heinz Diehl wrote:

On 15.04.2013, Paul Erickson wrote:


I have a couple of external disks that I formatted in XFS using F11, I think
for data backup. Now with a new F 18 installation, when I plug
in the drive, the disk icons appear on the desktop, but when I try to access
them, I get an error message stating that the contents cannot be displayed
due to not having the necessary permissions.

It's a permissions problem, and not a XF one. AS Ed pointed out, run
"chown -R" on your external drives, and your problem will solve.


That did it, thanks very much for all the replies.

cheers, Paul

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Re: F 18 problem accessing external usb drives with XFS

[Heinz Diehl]

On 15.04.2013, Paul Erickson wrote: 

> I have a couple of external disks that I formatted in XFS using F11, I think
> for data backup. Now with a new F 18 installation, when I plug
> in the drive, the disk icons appear on the desktop, but when I try to access
> them, I get an error message stating that the contents cannot be displayed
> due to not having the necessary permissions.

It's a permissions problem, and not a XF one. AS Ed pointed out, run
"chown -R" on your external drives, and your problem will solve.

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Re: F 18 problem accessing external usb drives with XFS

[Rami Rosen]

Hi
In case it will not solve the problem,can you please send the output of
dmesg after you get the error you mentioned?
Regards
Rami Rosen
 On Apr 15, 2013 1:51 AM, "Paul Erickson"  wrote:

> On 04/14/2013 03:21 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>
>> On 04/15/13 05:33, Paul Erickson wrote:
>>
>>> I have a couple of external disks that I formatted in XFS using F11, I
>>> think for data backup. Now with a new F 18 installation, when I plug
>>> in the drive, the disk icons appear on the desktop, but when I try to
>>> access them, I get an error message stating that the contents cannot be
>>> displayed due to not having the necessary permissions.
>>>
>>> A google search of the archives has not turned up anything so far.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions?
>>>
>>>
>>>  If you did a fresh install most likely your UID/GID has changed.  Older
>> versions started at 500/500 while the latest versions start at 1000/1000
>> when users are created.
>>
>> If you do an "ls -l" at the top of the mount point (directory) you'll see
>> numbers where the username and goupname are normally displayed.
>>
>> Simply do, as root and from the mount point
>>
>> chown -R username:groupname
>>
> Thanks very much. Will try that.
>
> cheers, Paul
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Re: F 18 problem accessing external usb drives with XFS

[Paul Erickson]

On 04/14/2013 03:21 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 04/15/13 05:33, Paul Erickson wrote:

I have a couple of external disks that I formatted in XFS using F11, I think 
for data backup. Now with a new F 18 installation, when I plug
in the drive, the disk icons appear on the desktop, but when I try to access 
them, I get an error message stating that the contents cannot be displayed due 
to not having the necessary permissions.

A google search of the archives has not turned up anything so far.

Any suggestions?



If you did a fresh install most likely your UID/GID has changed.  Older 
versions started at 500/500 while the latest versions start at 1000/1000 when 
users are created.

If you do an "ls -l" at the top of the mount point (directory) you'll see 
numbers where the username and goupname are normally displayed.

Simply do, as root and from the mount point

chown -R username:groupname

Thanks very much. Will try that.

cheers, Paul

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Re: F 18 problem accessing external usb drives with XFS

[Ed Greshko]

On 04/15/13 05:33, Paul Erickson wrote:
> I have a couple of external disks that I formatted in XFS using F11, I think 
> for data backup. Now with a new F 18 installation, when I plug
> in the drive, the disk icons appear on the desktop, but when I try to access 
> them, I get an error message stating that the contents cannot be displayed 
> due to not having the necessary permissions.
>
> A google search of the archives has not turned up anything so far.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>

If you did a fresh install most likely your UID/GID has changed.  Older 
versions started at 500/500 while the latest versions start at 1000/1000 when 
users are created.

If you do an "ls -l" at the top of the mount point (directory) you'll see 
numbers where the username and goupname are normally displayed.

Simply do, as root and from the mount point

chown -R username:groupname


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F 18 problem accessing external usb drives with XFS

[Paul Erickson]

I have a couple of external disks that I formatted in XFS using F11, I 
think for data backup. Now with a new F 18 installation, when I plug
in the drive, the disk icons appear on the desktop, but when I try to 
access them, I get an error message stating that the contents cannot be 
displayed due to not having the necessary permissions.


A google search of the archives has not turned up anything so far.

Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance.

cheers, Paul
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Re: External USB Drives

[R. G. Newbury]

>> >  On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 16:46 +, Jonathan Allen wrote:
>>> >>  Hi All,
>>> >>
>>> >>  I'd like to buy a 1.5Tb (or so) external USB disc drive to use for 
>>> >> backup
>>> >>  from my main file server. ?Most of the ones I see around seem to say 
>>> >> that
>>> >>  they want Wondiws something - is that necessary or meaningful? ?Should I
>>> >>  just be able to plug it in and use it? ?Do I need to partition and 
>>> >> format
>>> >>  it, or will it just work?

If you are still looking for an external case, you should consider 
getting one that does eSATA as well as USB. You may or may not have a 
computer with an eSATA port, but you might in your next upgrade. And 
eSATA is MUCH faster than  plain USB 2.

Of course the NAS type box provides a lot more flexibility as it can 
live somewhere at the end of a network cable well away from your 
desktop. Nice if you want to hide your backup solution under the stairs 
or in a cupboard.
Geoff

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Re: External USB Drives

[L]

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 4:36 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan
 wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 16:46 +, Jonathan Allen wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I'd like to buy a 1.5Tb (or so) external USB disc drive to use for backup
>> from my main file server.  Most of the ones I see around seem to say that
>> they want Wondiws something - is that necessary or meaningful?  Should I
>> just be able to plug it in and use it?  Do I need to partition and format
>> it, or will it just work?
>
> If you're happy with whatever filesystem it comes with (usually vfat or
> NTFS) then it will just work. You can of course reformat if you wish.
> Personally I put ext4 on my 500GB drive and it works like a charm.
>
> If you have multiple machines you might also want to consider a small
> NAS. I just got a 2TB Iomega ix2 unit for around $300 and am playing
> with it as a backup server for several Linux/Windows/Mac machines. It
> even says Linux on the box :-)


I have a WD NAS. Its OS is linux. works well, there is a web site
dedicated to it

http://mybookworld.wikidot.com/start

after a bit twist, it can be a good file server with ftp, ssh, rsync etc

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Re: External USB Drives

[Don Quixote de la Mancha]

> On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 16:46 +, Jonathan Allen wrote:
>> I'd like to buy a 1.5Tb (or so) external USB disc drive to use for backup
>> from my main file server.  Most of the ones I see around seem to say that
>> they want Wondiws something - is that necessary or meaningful?  Should I
>> just be able to plug it in and use it?  Do I need to partition and format
>> it, or will it just work?

I use a pair of Wiebetech ToughTech FS drives:

 http://www.wiebetech.com/products/toughtech.php

There are two models.  Each has USB, eSATA and FireWire.  The
ToughTech FS has IEEE 1394a (FireWire 400) while the ToughTech XE has
1394b (FireWire 800).

I wanted the multiple interfaces so that if I needed to recover a
backup, I would have the ability to hook it up to just about anything.

I leave one connected to my Fedora box, and the other in a safe
deposit box at my bank.  One a week or so I swap them.

I make all my backups to a partition on my internal drive, then rsync
that partition to the ToughTech.  That makes it more convenient when I
swap the drives - I don't have to make two trips to the bank.

I should cop to the fact that Wiebetech is a former client of mine.

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Re: External USB Drives

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 16:46 +, Jonathan Allen wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I'd like to buy a 1.5Tb (or so) external USB disc drive to use for backup
> from my main file server.  Most of the ones I see around seem to say that
> they want Wondiws something - is that necessary or meaningful?  Should I
> just be able to plug it in and use it?  Do I need to partition and format
> it, or will it just work?

If you're happy with whatever filesystem it comes with (usually vfat or
NTFS) then it will just work. You can of course reformat if you wish.
Personally I put ext4 on my 500GB drive and it works like a charm.

If you have multiple machines you might also want to consider a small
NAS. I just got a 2TB Iomega ix2 unit for around $300 and am playing
with it as a backup server for several Linux/Windows/Mac machines. It
even says Linux on the box :-)

poc

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Re: External USB Drives

[Paolo Galtieri]

I have a Seagate 1.5Tb drive and it works just fine with Linux.  I use it to
back up my Windows 7 system (when I boot up in Windows 7) and my Linux when
I boot up in Linux (Fedora 12).

Paolo

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Jonathan Allen  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I'd like to buy a 1.5Tb (or so) external USB disc drive to use for backup
> from my main file server.  Most of the ones I see around seem to say that
> they want Wondiws something - is that necessary or meaningful?  Should I
> just be able to plug it in and use it?  Do I need to partition and format
> it, or will it just work?
>
> Jonathan
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External USB Drives

[Jonathan Allen]

Hi All,

I'd like to buy a 1.5Tb (or so) external USB disc drive to use for backup
from my main file server.  Most of the ones I see around seem to say that
they want Wondiws something - is that necessary or meaningful?  Should I
just be able to plug it in and use it?  Do I need to partition and format
it, or will it just work?

Jonathan
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