Re: f16 - locked out again
On 01/07/2012 12:44 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: But now my question is: does anyone have a notebook with a sealed battery and if so, how do they recover when nothing works? When you cannot switch to another console and the power button does nothing? How do you force a boot if you can't pull all power? In case you're not aware there's rarely a need to pull a battery on a laptop, in my experience anyway. Usually holding down the power button for 5 seconds or so is enough to hard power off a machine, but of course it should only be used as a last resort. -- Ian Chapman. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: f16 - locked out again
On 01/06/2012 12:35 PM, Ian Chapman wrote: On 01/07/2012 12:44 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: But now my question is: does anyone have a notebook with a sealed battery and if so, how do they recover when nothing works? When you cannot switch to another console and the power button does nothing? How do you force a boot if you can't pull all power? In case you're not aware there's rarely a need to pull a battery on a laptop, in my experience anyway. Usually holding down the power button for 5 seconds or so is enough to hard power off a machine, but of course it should only be used as a last resort. This has not been my experience. I have been locked up and held the button down for up to a minute with nothing happening. In the end it was battery pull time. So far I have only done it once on this Lenovo x120e. The next time I will be sure to hold the button long enough to test this. Yes, it is always the last resort. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: f16 - locked out again
I've noticed that occasionally the authentication box doesn't come up, but you can still type in your password and press enter to unlock the session. I suspect killing the screensaver process from another tty would get you in as well. I haven't bothered to track down the cause, but I know the issue isn't unique to Fedora. My wife discovered the problem and solution on her laptop loaded with Ubuntu. Hth, --pete On Jan 6, 2012 10:45 AM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com wrote: This happens once in a while, but this is the 2nd time this week, though the symtoms were different. The latest occurance, I locked the screen ctl-alt-l and came back later to use the system. I hit an arrow key which normally brings up the password dialog box and even before the box showed up I started typing in my password. This normailly works fine and opens up to the workspace I was last on. This time nothing happened. There was a flash across the screen like the dialog box coming up, but the screen stayed black other than the portion of the top panel that normally shows when the screen is locked. I was able to ctl-alt-F2 to another console and back. I tried alt-F1 then 'r' and saw the spindizzy but nothing after that. In the end, I rebooted by logging into the F2 console. Perhaps I should have done a tail on messages first? Various things have happened over the past month on f16 with gnome 3. Not coming out of suspend and having to ppull all power for a hard boot recovery (AC and battery). Gnome locking on me with no keyboard or mouse clicks, though the mouse will mouse around. So it is still unstable for me. Advise on trouble shooting? Oh, and to the point of pulling the battery to get to a hard boot state. My brother-in-law was talking about his recent purchase of a notebook with a sealed battery; ie he cannot remove it. His question was on which kind of warranty to get. But now my question is: does anyone have a notebook with a sealed battery and if so, how do they recover when nothing works? When you cannot switch to another console and the power button does nothing? How do you force a boot if you can't pull all power? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.**org/mailman/listinfo/usershttps://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/**Mailing_list_guidelineshttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: f16 - locked out again
On 01/06/2012 01:28 PM, Pete Travis wrote: I've noticed that occasionally the authentication box doesn't come up, but you can still type in your password and press enter to unlock the session. I suspect killing the screensaver process from another tty would get you in as well. h. Considering what alt-F2r was doing, this might have worked. Will watch for it next time. I haven't bothered to track down the cause, but I know the issue isn't unique to Fedora. My wife discovered the problem and solution on her laptop loaded with Ubuntu. Hth, --pete On Jan 6, 2012 10:45 AM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com mailto:r...@htt-consult.com wrote: This happens once in a while, but this is the 2nd time this week, though the symtoms were different. The latest occurance, I locked the screen ctl-alt-l and came back later to use the system. I hit an arrow key which normally brings up the password dialog box and even before the box showed up I started typing in my password. This normailly works fine and opens up to the workspace I was last on. This time nothing happened. There was a flash across the screen like the dialog box coming up, but the screen stayed black other than the portion of the top panel that normally shows when the screen is locked. I was able to ctl-alt-F2 to another console and back. I tried alt-F1 then 'r' and saw the spindizzy but nothing after that. In the end, I rebooted by logging into the F2 console. Perhaps I should have done a tail on messages first? Various things have happened over the past month on f16 with gnome 3. Not coming out of suspend and having to ppull all power for a hard boot recovery (AC and battery). Gnome locking on me with no keyboard or mouse clicks, though the mouse will mouse around. So it is still unstable for me. Advise on trouble shooting? Oh, and to the point of pulling the battery to get to a hard boot state. My brother-in-law was talking about his recent purchase of a notebook with a sealed battery; ie he cannot remove it. His question was on which kind of warranty to get. But now my question is: does anyone have a notebook with a sealed battery and if so, how do they recover when nothing works? When you cannot switch to another console and the power button does nothing? How do you force a boot if you can't pull all power? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject. org/mailman/listinfo/users https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ Mailing_list_guidelines http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: f16 - locked out again
On Fri, 2012-01-06 at 11:44 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: This happens once in a while, but this is the 2nd time this week, though the symtoms were different. The latest occurance, I locked the screen ctl-alt-l and came back later to use the system. I hit an arrow key which normally brings up the password dialog box and even before the box showed up I started typing in my password. This normailly works fine and opens up to the workspace I was last on. This time nothing happened. There was a flash across the screen like the dialog box coming up, but the screen stayed black other than the portion of the top panel that normally shows when the screen is locked. I was able to ctl-alt-F2 to another console and back. I tried alt-F1 then 'r' and saw the spindizzy but nothing after that. In the end, I rebooted by logging into the F2 console. Perhaps I should have done a tail on messages first? Various things have happened over the past month on f16 with gnome 3. Not coming out of suspend and having to ppull all power for a hard boot recovery (AC and battery). Gnome locking on me with no keyboard or mouse clicks, though the mouse will mouse around. So it is still unstable for me. Advise on trouble shooting? Are you using local accounts or are you using LDAP? If you're using SSSD for user accounts, it's not impossible that it could have crashed, which occasionally results in behavior like what you're describing. Oh, and to the point of pulling the battery to get to a hard boot state. My brother-in-law was talking about his recent purchase of a notebook with a sealed battery; ie he cannot remove it. His question was on which kind of warranty to get. But now my question is: does anyone have a notebook with a sealed battery and if so, how do they recover when nothing works? When you cannot switch to another console and the power button does nothing? How do you force a boot if you can't pull all power? Pretty much every laptop made in the last ten years will shut down hard if you just hold the power button long enough (5-10s). signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: f16 - locked out again
On 01/06/2012 12:55 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: On Fri, 2012-01-06 at 11:44 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: This happens once in a while, but this is the 2nd time this week, though the symtoms were different. The latest occurance, I locked the screenctl-alt-l and came back later to use the system. I hit an arrow key which normally brings up the password dialog box and even before the box showed up I started typing in my password. This normailly works fine and opens up to the workspace I was last on. This time nothing happened. There was a flash across the screen like the dialog box coming up, but the screen stayed black other than the portion of the top panel that normally shows when the screen is locked. I was able toctl-alt-F2 to another console and back. I tried alt-F1 then 'r' and saw the spindizzy but nothing after that. In the end, I rebooted by logging into the F2 console. Perhaps I should have done a tail on messages first? Various things have happened over the past month on f16 with gnome 3. Not coming out of suspend and having to ppull all power for a hard boot recovery (AC and battery). Gnome locking on me with no keyboard or mouse clicks, though the mouse will mouse around. So it is still unstable for me. Advise on trouble shooting? Are you using local accounts or are you using LDAP? If you're using SSSD for user accounts, it's not impossible that it could have crashed, which occasionally results in behavior like what you're describing. No. Local auth. Oh, and to the point of pulling the battery to get to a hard boot state. My brother-in-law was talking about his recent purchase of a notebook with a sealed battery; ie he cannot remove it. His question was on which kind of warranty to get. But now my question is: does anyone have a notebook with a sealed battery and if so, how do they recover when nothing works? When you cannot switch to another console and the power button does nothing? How do you force a boot if you can't pull all power? Pretty much every laptop made in the last ten years will shut down hard if you just hold the power button long enough (5-10s). Not if you set FC for suspend on power button. For some reason my old HP nc2400 would NEVER shut off from the power button. I could hold it probably forever. I guess I have been caught between fear that I MIGHT get the poweroff button pressed by accident and REALLY needing to power off... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
