Re: installing updates not in the background on F26? reboot giving me a 15 min delay...

2017-09-11 Thread Stephen Perkins 
I would like to interject for what it's worth: I became frustrated with
Gnome 3's implementation.  I ran Bodhi Linux for while, but it was too
light weight.  I returned to Fedora (I've been running Linux since Red Hat
5.1 in 1999, with a few detours to other distros, but not many; I
continually return to Fedora, and love it.

Then I discovered the Cinnamon desktop, been running it for a couple of
years.  To be honest, I'll never go back.  For my computers, Cinnamon does
what I need with little aggravation (a Netbook Acer i686, and an Asus
X86_64). I update both using dnf and have never had a problem (even going
from F21 to F25).  Red Hat and Fedora are the most stable Linux distros
that I have used.  Kudos!!!  Wish I had bought stock in Red Hat when it
went public :(.  Carry on with the good work.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 5:20 PM, Peter Teuben  wrote:

> On 09/10/2017 02:42 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > On 09/09/2017 05:24 PM, Peter Teuben wrote:
> >> Installed Fedora-26, which was fast and a snap... now doing the first
> reboot, since it  wanted to install updates. I've been sitting here for
> literally 15 minutes watching a useless black screen... much like how
> windows does this..  Is that just an unhappy default, or required. In
> Ubuntu they are downloaded as you continue to work, you reboot, and that's
> usually quick, and you're back to work, usually that all takes a minute.
> >
> > That is strange.  The packages would have been downloaded and prepared,
> then you reboot and they are installed.  I don't remember ever doing the
> offline updates, but I assumed it would be similar to the release upgrade
> process where it gives you a progress bar and package counts.  I doubt that
> a clear black screen is ok.
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> I should clarify that there was a percentage counter in (I believe) the
> top left corner, that very slowly went through the percentages of being
> done. So the screen wasn't completely black.
>
> Eventually it got done.  I played with gnome3, and got sufficiently
> frustrated by the amount of work it takes me to get to a state I'm happy
> with, including noticing a number of the gnome3 extensions that basically
> don't work (red ERROR), and the basic lack of simple tunings (change the
> timeout of screen blanking, focus follows mouse with autoraise, to name a
> few)  With the impending death of Unity decided to try of KDE... and
> I'm shocked how easy it is to configure. Arguably has more than I need,so
> I'll play with this.  Unless I'm missing something about gnome3, i think
> these extensions are the wrong way to go configure your desktop.
>
> peter
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Re: installing updates not in the background on F26? reboot giving me a 15 min delay...

2017-09-11 Thread Samuel Sieb 

On 09/11/2017 02:20 PM, Peter Teuben wrote:

On 09/10/2017 02:42 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 09/09/2017 05:24 PM, Peter Teuben wrote:

Installed Fedora-26, which was fast and a snap... now doing the first reboot, 
since it  wanted to install updates. I've been sitting here for literally 15 
minutes watching a useless black screen... much like how windows does this..  
Is that just an unhappy default, or required. In Ubuntu they are downloaded as 
you continue to work, you reboot, and that's usually quick, and you're back to 
work, usually that all takes a minute.


That is strange.  The packages would have been downloaded and prepared, then 
you reboot and they are installed.  I don't remember ever doing the offline 
updates, but I assumed it would be similar to the release upgrade process where 
it gives you a progress bar and package counts.  I doubt that a clear black 
screen is ok.


I should clarify that there was a percentage counter in (I believe) the top 
left corner, that very slowly went through the percentages of being done. So 
the screen wasn't completely black.


If you installed it from the workstation live image, there would be a 
lot of updates to do the first time.  But they were downloaded before 
the reboot, the time required is for doing the package updates.  I 
expect any further updates would be much quicker although certain 
packages like the kernel have scripts that take a while to do some 
processing.

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Re: installing updates not in the background on F26? reboot giving me a 15 min delay...

2017-09-11 Thread Peter Teuben 
On 09/10/2017 02:42 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 09/09/2017 05:24 PM, Peter Teuben wrote:
>> Installed Fedora-26, which was fast and a snap... now doing the first 
>> reboot, since it  wanted to install updates. I've been sitting here for 
>> literally 15 minutes watching a useless black screen... much like how 
>> windows does this..  Is that just an unhappy default, or required. In Ubuntu 
>> they are downloaded as you continue to work, you reboot, and that's usually 
>> quick, and you're back to work, usually that all takes a minute.
>
> That is strange.  The packages would have been downloaded and prepared, then 
> you reboot and they are installed.  I don't remember ever doing the offline 
> updates, but I assumed it would be similar to the release upgrade process 
> where it gives you a progress bar and package counts.  I doubt that a clear 
> black screen is ok.
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I should clarify that there was a percentage counter in (I believe) the top 
left corner, that very slowly went through the percentages of being done. So 
the screen wasn't completely black. 

Eventually it got done.  I played with gnome3, and got sufficiently frustrated 
by the amount of work it takes me to get to a state I'm happy with, including 
noticing a number of the gnome3 extensions that basically don't work (red 
ERROR), and the basic lack of simple tunings (change the timeout of screen 
blanking, focus follows mouse with autoraise, to name a few)  With the 
impending death of Unity decided to try of KDE... and I'm shocked how easy it 
is to configure. Arguably has more than I need,so I'll play with this.  Unless 
I'm missing something about gnome3, i think these extensions are the wrong way 
to go configure your desktop.

peter
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Re: installing updates not in the background on F26? reboot giving me a 15 min delay...

2017-09-10 Thread Samuel Sieb 

On 09/09/2017 05:24 PM, Peter Teuben wrote:

Installed Fedora-26, which was fast and a snap... now doing the first reboot, 
since it  wanted to install updates. I've been sitting here for literally 15 
minutes watching a useless black screen... much like how windows does this..  
Is that just an unhappy default, or required. In Ubuntu they are downloaded as 
you continue to work, you reboot, and that's usually quick, and you're back to 
work, usually that all takes a minute.


That is strange.  The packages would have been downloaded and prepared, 
then you reboot and they are installed.  I don't remember ever doing the 
offline updates, but I assumed it would be similar to the release 
upgrade process where it gives you a progress bar and package counts.  I 
doubt that a clear black screen is ok.

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installing updates not in the background on F26? reboot giving me a 15 min delay...

2017-09-09 Thread Peter Teuben 

I'm coming back to trying out Fedora, because so far I've not liked the new 
Gnome3 implementation in Ubuntu 17.10

Installed Fedora-26, which was fast and a snap... now doing the first reboot, 
since it  wanted to install updates. I've been sitting here for literally 15 
minutes watching a useless black screen... much like how windows does this..  
Is that just an unhappy default, or required. In Ubuntu they are downloaded as 
you continue to work, you reboot, and that's usually quick, and you're back to 
work, usually that all takes a minute. 


I jokingly thought in that time waiting for Fedora, I could have installed a 
whole new Ubuntu, and then some


ok, up for hopefully a nice looking Gnome3 now!


 - peter
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