Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Am 25.07.2013 19:56, schrieb Jared K. Smith: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:34 PM, inode0 ino...@gmail.com mailto:ino...@gmail.com wrote: All I can do is suggest what I think could be done to improve the situation. If the moderators aren't willing to do more and the community isn't willing to give it a rest then I'll probably just join others giving up on this list. I can't speak for any of the other moderators, but as for me -- I'm trying to be very active in pushing Harald's posts through moderation as quickly as possible. (This even included doing mailing list moderation while on vacation -- not exactly my idea of relaxing or fun.) Putting my Community Working Group hat on for a second, I can also state that the CWG has given Harald a path forward with instructions on how to get himself removed from moderation. I don't know what else I as a moderator can do to help, besides to state that this thread isn't helping either side of the argument *what exactly* does the CWG want to hear from me and not from others which are sometimes a lot of more abusive outside any objectively conext while i *never* insulted someone only just for fun and if so i want to see the quote, context and apologize for what i *not* apologize is that i am not tame saying yes and fine to anything and devote to the opinion of the more or stronger ones for have an easy life with a stooped attitude you can't have both from one person - having expierience and a strong own opinion and be always 365/24/7 the tame and stooped guy - this does not match together and anybody who says he can fullfil both at any moment is wrong not so long ago people with a strong own opinion got burnt god bless that they these day sonly get moderated and banned from lists.. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Am 25.07.2013 22:04, schrieb lee: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net writes: here for the records and CC to the list to get back to the context https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2851 Harald, enge Sichtweise does not translate into narrow view like that. You can make a comment like that in German and it would be understood, though it wasn't necessary to say that. well, and that is why nitpicking about any word and presume always the worst intention of anything i say is unfair as well it was unfair to add a post to the list without reference to the bugreport because *for me* it was not clear that the post at evening came from the same person as the bugreport hours ago and a couple of posts in all directions would have been saved by a clear statement with the context Saying it in English like you did *is* (understood as) an insult. You need to either get a better understanding of how the English language works and of the mindset involved with it, or stick to German if you want to avoid trouble. if i would have the time and intention to get english like a native speaker i would have to choose to do that or keep on doing things where i am *really* good and that is IT Get yourself together and put more effort into designing your posts and bug reports, even if it might be a long and difficult way to go. Using clear words in the sense you mentioned a while ago is a very different issue, and you are mistaken if you think you could use that as an excuse. Besides, it works differently in English than it does in German that may all be right - but what would you choose? * having perfect english from me without knowledge * having knowledge and not perfect / rough english i need to chosse becaus emy day has only 24 hours.. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Am 26.07.2013 00:16, schrieb lee: well, and that is why nitpicking about any word and presume always the worst intention of anything i say is unfair This doesn't have anything to do with presuming, nitpicking or unfairness. You say x and mean z. There is no way for the other person to know that you mean z ironically the same does not apply for people making problem decriptions without any informations, hence even not say what Fedora version and taking a lot of posts to get needed minimal informations hey, thats O=K, the do not need to improve their reports but i need to spoeak english like a native speaker. * having perfect english from me without knowledge * having knowledge and not perfect / rough english i need to choose becaus emy day has only 24 hours.. It is your choice to make and not mine. You can chose whatever you want. If you chose not to adjust, I would prefer that you be unsubscribed from this mailing list. you could also ue a signature please only answers from native speakers instead the funny one you are using and you would not get a single reply from me even if it solves your problems Otherwise you will continue to create unnecessary unrest there would also be less unnecessary unrest if people would stop to insist taking every single word as insult if there is only the lightest chance to interprate it this way When you don't have enough time to post on mailing lists or to make bug reports, then don't do it and stop making excuses mhh, that must be the reason why in my bugreports folder for 2013 are 600 messages, in the one from 2013 1300 messages and my sent folder to this list contains 1500 messages for this year that must also be the reason that i spend real money for opensource projects and a lot of time to help bring new releases out... without the moderation you even would realize that often enough answers with solutions are coming within a few minutes, but hey that all is nothing worth here... signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Am 26.07.2013 01:16, schrieb lee: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net writes: How many messages you have sent how quickly and how much money you have spent on OSS projects is not relevant here. Don't try to bring it up as another excuse, and don't make assumptions about what judgements I make or not. interesting attitude. It is irrelevant how much you have eaten and how much you payed on tips when you were going out to eat in the past. If you cannot afford what you want to do, no matter whether in terms of time or money, then don't do it. You have a choice to make. It's that simple, there aren't any excuses, and I don't see any point in discussing this any further. Make your choice and let us know what choice you made if so many here would not act like blind butchers they would have noticed the choice in the form i not called people arsehole in this and compareable threads, even the well-deserved ones and *no* i will *not* creep in the sand in front of you or any other peson in this life - nobody has the right to demand this and that is the summary of a lot of replies i got signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On 07/25/2013 11:13 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: *what exactly* does the CWG want to hear from me and not from others which are sometimes a lot of more abusive outside any objectively conext while i*never* insulted someone only just for fun and if so i want to see the quote, context and apologize I'm beginning to think that the main issue here is that there is at least one, and probably more offense thieves on this list: people who take offense when none is offered. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
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Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
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Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Am 23.07.2013 22:39, schrieb Darryl L. Pierce: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 04:35:44PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Yup, just received my first insult... Do I get a badge now or is there a club I can join? :) this below is what you are calling an insult? Yes, the part I hilighted before is rather insulting to people who are you? what did you highlight? i answered Richard Shaw and *not you* i *never* answered you at all so quote in context or do not answer at all! if you do not understand the context do not reply at all! a rotten quote style like yours in this post is the real damage to any conversation and *yes* this was partly a insult because *you insulted me* with your quote-style seriously? ***sorry for point to a solution which worked many hundret times for me, i will try not try to help you again*** this was *not* the quote this was *the reaction* at the post below which did go to Richard Shaw as the only answer of me *before* that what you quoted ___ *THIS WAS MY ONLY ANSWER TO RICHARD BEFORE * so *WAHT* is the reason to come up with Yup, just received my first insult *WITHOUT* quote whatever he thinks was an insult? No custom kernels... for some reason F18 ended up with 3.9.10 and F19 is still on 3.9.9 (or something like that) and that is why i use yum distro-sync is what it says and does even downgrades signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Am 23.07.2013 22:52, schrieb Darryl L. Pierce: How is telling someone you won't be helping them in future a straight, clear answer? *boah* you did not quote the context as well as Richard did not say any word that he refers on a bugreport far far away from the list even with my private address and that is why people which do not know or refer to the context could simply be quiet instead bring bad blood where none was so simple the world could be signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Am 23.07.2013 22:48, schrieb Richard Shaw: Yup, just received my first insult... Do I get a badge now or is there a club I can join? :) Nope, it was the unnecessary narrow minded packager on the tail end of your otherwise perfectly sensible bug report comment so QUOTE and link what you refer to your answer to the list came up like i had sent you a unsuitable reply not came thorugh moderation and *this* is much more an assault completly out of context than a little snippy comment on a bugreport and *this way* of one-liners *nobodyÜ knows what people are speaking about are the *real* reson for all the bad blood here for the records and CC to the list to get back to the context https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2851 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Am 23.07.2013 22:52, schrieb Rahul Sundaram: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Eric Viseur Yes, this is kindergarden. I'm leaving this mailing-list. Too bad for the precious knowledge I'll miss. Gonna use the forums instead. You can ignore threads in any mailing list and fwiw, forums are far more heavily moderated compared to the mailing list hmm that must be the reason i get moderated and censored beause a few inpolite answers - this year i wrote 1418 messages to the lists and because of a handful bad tmpted some nitpickers feel personally atacked and wish me to the hell in this context You can ignore threads in any mailing list is really amusing signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:34 PM, inode0 ino...@gmail.com wrote: All I can do is suggest what I think could be done to improve the situation. If the moderators aren't willing to do more and the community isn't willing to give it a rest then I'll probably just join others giving up on this list. I can't speak for any of the other moderators, but as for me -- I'm trying to be very active in pushing Harald's posts through moderation as quickly as possible. (This even included doing mailing list moderation while on vacation -- not exactly my idea of relaxing or fun.) Putting my Community Working Group hat on for a second, I can also state that the CWG has given Harald a path forward with instructions on how to get himself removed from moderation. I don't know what else I as a moderator can do to help, besides to state that this thread isn't helping either side of the argument. -- Jared Smith -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net writes: here for the records and CC to the list to get back to the context https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2851 Harald, enge Sichtweise does not translate into narrow view like that. You can make a comment like that in German and it would be understood, though it wasn't necessary to say that. Saying it in English like you did *is* (understood as) an insult. You need to either get a better understanding of how the English language works and of the mindset involved with it, or stick to German if you want to avoid trouble. Get yourself together and put more effort into designing your posts and bug reports, even if it might be a long and difficult way to go. Using clear words in the sense you mentioned a while ago is a very different issue, and you are mistaken if you think you could use that as an excuse. Besides, it works differently in English than it does in German. -- Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net writes: Am 25.07.2013 22:04, schrieb lee: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net writes: here for the records and CC to the list to get back to the context https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2851 Harald, enge Sichtweise does not translate into narrow view like that. You can make a comment like that in German and it would be understood, though it wasn't necessary to say that. well, and that is why nitpicking about any word and presume always the worst intention of anything i say is unfair This doesn't have anything to do with presuming, nitpicking or unfairness. You say x and mean z. There is no way for the other person to know that you mean z. You said x and that's all there is to it. It is not anyone elses' fault or problem that you say things you don't mean to say. When you run #rm -rf and mean ls -la, what do you expect? that may all be right - but what would you choose? * having perfect english from me without knowledge * having knowledge and not perfect / rough english i need to chosse becaus emy day has only 24 hours.. It is your choice to make and not mine. You can chose whatever you want. If you chose not to adjust, I would prefer that you be unsubscribed from this mailing list. Otherwise you will continue to create unnecessary unrest. It's not your inability to adjust, it's your choice not to. Why should others put up with that? When you don't have enough time to post on mailing lists or to make bug reports, then don't do it and stop making excuses. -- Debugger entered--Lisp error: (error C-c C-c can do nothing useful at this location) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net writes: Am 26.07.2013 00:16, schrieb lee: well, and that is why nitpicking about any word and presume always the worst intention of anything i say is unfair This doesn't have anything to do with presuming, nitpicking or unfairness. You say x and mean z. There is no way for the other person to know that you mean z ironically the same does not apply for people making problem decriptions without any informations, Yes, it is not applicable there. i need to choose becaus emy day has only 24 hours.. It is your choice to make and not mine. You can chose whatever you want. If you chose not to adjust, I would prefer that you be unsubscribed from this mailing list. you could also ue a signature please only answers from native speakers instead the funny one you are using and you would not get a single reply from me even if it solves your problems Why don't you just imagine that everyone has in their signature a disclaimer asking people to do their best not to send impolite replies and act accordingly? Otherwise you will continue to create unnecessary unrest there would also be less unnecessary unrest if people would stop to insist taking every single word as insult if there is only the lightest chance to interprate it this way They cannot stop doing what they aren't doing. When you don't have enough time to post on mailing lists or to make bug reports, then don't do it and stop making excuses mhh, that must be the reason why in my bugreports folder for 2013 are 600 messages, in the one from 2013 1300 messages and my sent folder to this list contains 1500 messages for this year that must also be the reason that i spend real money for opensource projects and a lot of time to help bring new releases out... without the moderation you even would realize that often enough answers with solutions are coming within a few minutes, but hey that all is nothing worth here... How many messages you have sent how quickly and how much money you have spent on OSS projects is not relevant here. Don't try to bring it up as another excuse, and don't make assumptions about what judgements I make or not. Someone once said that when you go out for eating, you have to be prepared to pay the tip. If you can't pay the tip, you simply cannot afford the service, so you cannot go out to eat, and you'll have to make something yourself instead. It is irrelevant how much you have eaten and how much you payed on tips when you were going out to eat in the past. If you cannot afford what you want to do, no matter whether in terms of time or money, then don't do it. You have a choice to make. It's that simple, there aren't any excuses, and I don't see any point in discussing this any further. Make your choice and let us know what choice you made. -- Debugger entered--Lisp error: (error C-c C-c can do nothing useful at this location) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On 07/23/2013 09:25 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote: On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 08:26:26AM +0200, lee wrote: I don't know what the point is in moderating his posts. He does things Then you haven't seen his messages that haven't made it through the moderation queue. I know not all make it through (CC to inbox). No clue what is in those, I only read the ones who also make it to the mailing list :) Yup, just received my first insult... Do I get a badge now or is there a club I can join? :) you left something out; a chest to pin it on. ((GBWG)) -- peace out. in a world with out fences, who needs gates. sl6.3 linux tc.hago. g . -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts (was: a different point of view to etiquette)
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote: On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 08:26:26AM +0200, lee wrote: I don't know what the point is in moderating his posts. He does things Then you haven't seen his messages that haven't made it through the moderation queue. I know not all make it through (CC to inbox). No clue what is in those, I only read the ones who also make it to the mailing list :) Yup, just received my first insult... Do I get a badge now or is there a club I can join? :) Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Am 23.07.2013 16:25, schrieb Richard Shaw: On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl mailto:o...@vitters.nl wrote: On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 08:26:26AM +0200, lee wrote: I don't know what the point is in moderating his posts. He does things Then you haven't seen his messages that haven't made it through the moderation queue. I know not all make it through (CC to inbox). No clue what is in those, I only read the ones who also make it to the mailing list :) Yup, just received my first insult... Do I get a badge now or is there a club I can join? :) this below is what you are calling an insult? seriously? sorry for point to a solution which worked many hundret times for me, i will try not try to help you again ___ No custom kernels... for some reason F18 ended up with 3.9.10 and F19 is still on 3.9.9 (or something like that) and that is why i use yum distro-sync is what it says and does even downgrades signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 04:35:44PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Yup, just received my first insult... Do I get a badge now or is there a club I can join? :) this below is what you are calling an insult? Yes, the part I hilighted before is rather insulting to people. seriously? ***sorry for point to a solution which worked many hundret times for me, i will try not try to help you again*** -- Darryl L. Pierce mcpie...@gmail.com http://mcpierce.multiply.com/ What do you care what people think, Mr. Feynman? pgp9382A_axCX.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Oh my god, it feels like I'm reading a baby whining because another one pinched his ass. You call this an insult ? This got to be the most childish mailing-list I've ever been on. Grow up some balls, people. This really is ridiculous. You're offended because the first answer wasn't rolled in salutations and polite hello goodbye ? If I was Harald I would the offending one. You get a straight, clear answer and you call it insult. And then to justify yourself you quote the following reaction. Yes, this is kindergarden. I'm leaving this mailing-list. Too bad for the precious knowledge I'll miss. Gonna use the forums instead. Eric Viseur Etudiant Ingénieur Civil Electricien +32 497 92 36 80 LinkedIn Profilehttp://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=193442069trk=tab_pro 2013/7/23 Darryl L. Pierce mcpie...@gmail.com On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 04:35:44PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Yup, just received my first insult... Do I get a badge now or is there a club I can join? :) this below is what you are calling an insult? Yes, the part I hilighted before is rather insulting to people. seriously? ***sorry for point to a solution which worked many hundret times for me, i will try not try to help you again*** -- Darryl L. Pierce mcpie...@gmail.com http://mcpierce.multiply.com/ What do you care what people think, Mr. Feynman? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Hi On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Eric Viseur Yes, this is kindergarden. I'm leaving this mailing-list. Too bad for the precious knowledge I'll miss. Gonna use the forums instead. You can ignore threads in any mailing list and fwiw, forums are far more heavily moderated compared to the mailing list. Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:44:12PM +0200, Eric Viseur wrote: Oh my god, it feels like I'm reading a baby whining because another one pinched his ass. You call this an insult ? This got to be the most childish mailing-list I've ever been on. Grow up some balls, people. This really is ridiculous. Not really. The mailing lists participants are supposed to conduct themselves politely. This isn't LKML. ;) You're offended Nobody said offended. I said his statement was insulting. Two different things. because the first answer wasn't rolled in salutations and polite hello goodbye ? If I was Harald I would the offending one. You get a straight, clear answer and you call it insult. And then to justify yourself you quote the following reaction. How is telling someone you won't be helping them in future a straight, clear answer? Yes, this is kindergarden. I'm leaving this mailing-list. Too bad for the precious knowledge I'll miss. Gonna use the forums instead. -- Darryl L. Pierce mcpie...@gmail.com http://mcpierce.multiply.com/ What do you care what people think, Mr. Feynman? pgp_NGX1fMdtL.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Hi On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Reindl Harald Am 23.07.2013 22:52, schrieb Rahul Sundaram: hmm that must be the reason i get moderated and censored beause a few inpolite answers Censorship doesn't mean what you think it does and it is different from moderation but yes, your behavior would have likely gotten you banned permanently in the Fedora forum. Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:52:06PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 23.07.2013 22:39, schrieb Darryl L. Pierce: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 04:35:44PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Yup, just received my first insult... Do I get a badge now or is there a club I can join? :) this below is what you are calling an insult? Yes, the part I hilighted before is rather insulting to people who are you? Darryl Pierce. Been here for years. what did you highlight? I put triple asterisks (***) around the portion of your reponse that could be considered insulting. i answered Richard Shaw and *not you* It's a public forum. i *never* answered you at all I know. so quote in context or do not answer at all! I did. I quoted in the context of the other poster saying you were being insulting. if you do not understand the context do not reply at all! I fully understand the context, as I explain above. a rotten quote style like yours in this post is the real damage to any conversation and *yes* this was partly a insult because *you insulted me* with your quote-style I'm sorry, the quoting format is the default for Mutt and has been around for a long time. Surely you've seen it for literally YEARS online. seriously? ***sorry for point to a solution which worked many hundret times for me, i will try not try to help you again*** this was *not* the quote this was *the reaction* at the post below which did go to Richard Shaw as the only answer of me *before* that what you quoted What I quoted in my previous message was the text to which I'm referring when I said your response can be insulting. What _it_ referred to is kind of irrelevant to my point. -- Darryl L. Pierce mcpie...@gmail.com http://mcpierce.multiply.com/ What do you care what people think, Mr. Feynman? pgp4KZz1RwNB0.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On 07/23/2013 02:02 PM, Darryl L. Pierce issued this missive: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:52:06PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 23.07.2013 22:39, schrieb Darryl L. Pierce: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 04:35:44PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: I'm snipping all of this tripe. Gang, can we PLEASE drop this thread? It's degenerated into a he said this, the other guy said that diatribe. It serves no useful purpose for the forum and simply wastes bandwidth. I, for one, am now adding a filter to /dev/null all messages with this subject. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - What's small, yellow and very, VERY dangerous? The root canary! - -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
HI On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Reindl Harald wrot what about think 10 seconds that 5 inpolite messages out of 1000 are statistically not relevant - show me 5 people with more answers than me in the last two years and the look how often the ones with a few rplies are answer the same inpolite way is i sometimes do they are not judged the same way here - period Moderately step in when there are persistent complaints. You have managed to generate more complaints despite your own self judgement of how often you have engaged in poor behavior. Trying to play the victim doesn't help with that. Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: and how does this match You can ignore threads in any mailing list? Read the context. If you don't follow list guidelines, moderators can step in but if you merely are not interested in any topic, you can ignore the threads related to that. i do not play the victim- i find it simply inappropriate that often enough the nitpickers had much worse words than i ever used without get judged the same way You want to assert that you have been unfairly targeted and a victim of moderation. I trust the judgement of moderators better. Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Please discontinue to continue this thread Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Hasn't this noise gone on long enough?
Hint, it is why I stay away despite experience with RedHat Linux going
back to Hurricane. It's not worth my time to more than browse titles of
late.
{+_+}
On 2013/07/23 14:42, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
and how does this match You can ignore threads in any mailing list?
Read the context. If you don't follow list guidelines, moderators can step in
but if you merely are not interested in any topic, you can ignore the threads
related to that.
i do not play the victim- i find it simply inappropriate that often
enough the nitpickers had much worse words than i ever used without
get judged the same way
You want to assert that you have been unfairly targeted and a victim of
moderation. I trust the judgement of moderators better.
Rahul
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Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: HI On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Reindl Harald wrot what about think 10 seconds that 5 inpolite messages out of 1000 are statistically not relevant - show me 5 people with more answers than me in the last two years and the look how often the ones with a few rplies are answer the same inpolite way is i sometimes do they are not judged the same way here - period Moderately step in when there are persistent complaints. You have managed to generate more complaints despite your own self judgement of how often you have engaged in poor behavior. Trying to play the victim doesn't help with that. The victims are all the members of this list who don't want to constantly be exposed to all this drama. The facts are in this case Harald did nothing wrong at all. Someone started one ridiculous thread complaining about old things without any reason to do so other than to agititate things and it has ballooned into a bunch of ridiculous threads because apparently there are enough members of this list who can't just leave it alone for a month to see if things have changed. If we want the list to improve we need to stop twisting knives in old wounds and let the injuries heal. Or we need more aggressive moderation to stop all the agitating. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Hi On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:36 PM, inode0 wrote: The victims are all the members of this list who don't want to constantly be exposed to all this drama. The facts are in this case Harald did nothing wrong at all. Harald continues to claim that he is a victim of moderators targeting him unfairly and IMO that is wrong. If we want the list to improve we need to stop twisting knives in old wounds and let the injuries heal. Or we need more aggressive moderation to stop all the agitating. Good luck with that Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On 07/23/2013 04:17 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:36 PM, inode0 wrote: If we want the list to improve we need to stop twisting knives in old wounds and let the injuries heal. Or we need more aggressive moderation to stop all the agitating. Good luck with that One of the moderators has already stepped in asking us not to respond to one of these threads. The only real response was starting a new one. I don't know how moderation works on this list, but it might be possible for the moderators to set it so that any posts to a thread they've closed is automatically rejected so that the only way the discussion can be continued is off-list, meaning that the rest of us aren't forced to be involved. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On 7/23/2013 7:17 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:36 PM, inode0 wrote: The victims are all the members of this list who don't want to constantly be exposed to all this drama. The facts are in this case Harald did nothing wrong at all. Harald continues to claim that he is a victim of moderators targeting him unfairly and IMO that is wrong. If we want the list to improve we need to stop twisting knives in old wounds and let the injuries heal. Or we need more aggressive moderation to stop all the agitating. Good luck with that Rahul Bluntly said? I see this *attack!!* *Attack!!* on many Linux lists lately. It reminds me of when I first tried Red Hat Linux v5.2 which came with the Linus for Dummies book and the users on that Red Hat list. Any question invoked an attack and, or, a *RTFM* comment to a Newbie (me) that no understand of the 'Linux Geek' that it was written in. Sad. -- David -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:36 PM, inode0 wrote: The victims are all the members of this list who don't want to constantly be exposed to all this drama. The facts are in this case Harald did nothing wrong at all. Harald continues to claim that he is a victim of moderators targeting him unfairly and IMO that is wrong. I think moderating only Harald is causing problems while not solving any and I think this list's behavior of late is at the very least uncharitable and unforgiving. Whether that is fair depends on your point of view I suppose. If we want the list to improve we need to stop twisting knives in old wounds and let the injuries heal. Or we need more aggressive moderation to stop all the agitating. Good luck with that All I can do is suggest what I think could be done to improve the situation. If the moderators aren't willing to do more and the community isn't willing to give it a rest then I'll probably just join others giving up on this list. It is embarrassing to the community and is sucking the energy out of list members right and left. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:02:08PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 23.07.2013 22:52, schrieb Darryl L. Pierce: How is telling someone you won't be helping them in future a straight, clear answer? *boah* you did not quote the context as well as Richard did not say any word that he refers on a bugreport far far away from the list even with my private address and that is why people which do not know or refer to the context could simply be quiet instead bring bad blood where none was so simple the world could be I changed nothing in the email to which I replied: it was left quoted as-is. -- Darryl L. Pierce mcpie...@gmail.com http://mcpierce.multiply.com/ What do you care what people think, Mr. Feynman? pgpjSoNWNubo0.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:07:20PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 23.07.2013 23:02, schrieb Darryl L. Pierce: I'm sorry, the quoting format is the default for Mutt and has been around for a long time. Surely you've seen it for literally YEARS online. with rotten style i meant strip quotes completly out of context Nothing was stripped out of context. They were left in their original context. What I quoted in my previous message was the text to which I'm referring when I said your response can be insulting. What _it_ referred to is kind of irrelevant to my point quote without context and say look here you se insulting words is pure laughable - jesus even Richard did not make clear *what* he is speaking about, so i searched in my mail-archive, found the one and only reply to him in this year and thought WTF is this guy speaking about do you really need a more perfect example *why* the context is very important in *any* communication? The only perfect example I see is of what the original complaint said about your interactions on this list. I was trying to _help you_ see how you're coming across. And I had hoped that, as someone who's not needed to interact with you in past, you could see what I was saying with the emotional baggage you're carrying regarding others on the list. But I sadly see that you have gone from 0 to rant towards me over one email. So sorry you're that affected here. So I'm out. -- Darryl L. Pierce mcpie...@gmail.com http://mcpierce.multiply.com/ What do you care what people think, Mr. Feynman? pgp5qZ6MxDxoU.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
My original intent in reviving this thread was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. Obviously that's not what happened so for that I apologize. I should have foreseen that this would happen but I did not. Unless there is a possibility that this will result in some sort of resolution (which seems unlikely) then as the instigator of the revival of this thread I ask that it stop. That being said, it's pain now or pain later. If nothing is resolved then all we're doing is biding our time until this happens again. Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Quoting Richard Shaw hobbes1...@gmail.com: My original intent in reviving this thread was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. Obviously that's not what happened so for that I apologize. I should have foreseen that this would happen but I did not. Unless there is a possibility that this will result in some sort of resolution (which seems unlikely) then as the instigator of the revival of this thread I ask that it stop. That being said, it's pain now or pain later. If nothing is resolved then all we're doing is biding our time until this happens again. that might be better than obsessing, though. Dave Richard -- I think that if a person doesn't feel cynical then they're out of phase with the 21st century. Being cynical is the only way to deal with modern civilization, you can't just swallow it whole. -- Frank Zappa -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On Tue, 23 Jul 2013, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Eric Viseur Yes, this is kindergarden. I'm leaving this mailing-list. Too bad for the precious knowledge I'll miss. Gonna use the forums instead. You can ignore threads in any mailing list and fwiw, forums are far more heavily moderated compared to the mailing list. Rahul He knows that. In the old USENET days, this was called a 'flounce.' Somebody always does it at this stage of a contentious discussion. billo-- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Dave Stevens g...@uniserve.com writes: Quoting Richard Shaw hobbes1...@gmail.com: My original intent in reviving this thread was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. Obviously that's not what happened so for that I apologize. I should have foreseen that this would happen but I did not. Unless there is a possibility that this will result in some sort of resolution (which seems unlikely) then as the instigator of the revival of this thread I ask that it stop. That being said, it's pain now or pain later. If nothing is resolved then all we're doing is biding our time until this happens again. that might be better than obsessing, though. What is going on here? It seems I got like only half the posts of this thread, so I can only assume that the missing ones are stuck in moderation or are being held back altogether. This kind of censorship does more damage than anything else and makes me think about unsubscribing from this list. Someone claims they have been insulted because someone else tells him that he uses yum? I guess now we all must feel insulted because we're using Fedora, since otherwise we would be standing by, doing nothing. -- Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Rick Stevens ricks at alldigital.com writes: On 07/23/2013 02:02 PM, Darryl L. Pierce issued this missive: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:52:06PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 23.07.2013 22:39, schrieb Darryl L. Pierce: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 04:35:44PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: I'm snipping all of this tripe. Gang, can we PLEASE drop this thread? It's degenerated into a he said this, the other guy said that diatribe. It serves no useful purpose for the forum and simply wastes bandwidth. I, for one, am now adding a filter to /dev/null all messages with this subject. Hear! Hear! Gentle-people of the list, the problem of perceived ill behavior is probably as old as the original Usenet. Terms like flaming, flame war and flamebait were around long before Linus created his first program, let alone gave us Linux. There will always be responses you perceive as being rude, nasty and uncalled for. Some such behavior can be traced to cultural differences, some to miss-communication and. sometimes, some people just take pleasure in being a know-it-all jerk. If you get individual e-mails from the list, feel free to set up a rule in your mail client to route e-mails from people you perceive as fitting this last category to /dev/null. Please, do not ask the moderators to play God and distinguish a valid but harsh response from flamage. For those of us who receive the digest, I find a glass of wine or a beer helps when dealing with those who contribute too much noise and not enough content. Now, can we drop this thread? Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On 19 July 2013 18:48, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Allegedly, on or about 18 July 2013, Timothy Murphy sent: Surely it is the easiest thing in the world not to read his postings, if they offend you. You need to see the bigger picture. As we all stand idly by and watch someone harass someone else, you endorse the victimisation. When you declare that the victim should just ignore them, you make the victim more of a victim. If we tell the victims not to complain about it, we victimise them even more. AOL. -- imalone http://ibmalone.blogspot.co.uk -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 01:44:26AM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: snip... hint: if would really be the asshole you think i would not need to post anything and help others because the ratio seeking and giving answers in my case is 1:1000 over years preach what others have to do are not doing much else substantial +100 -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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On Sat, 2013-07-20 at 11:59 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 01:44:26AM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: snip... hint: if would really be the asshole you think i would not need to post anything and help others because the ratio seeking and giving answers in my case is 1:1000 over years preach what others have to do are not doing much else substantial +100 +100 (again) -- Mark C. Allman, PMP, CSM Founder, See How You Ski Allman Professional Consulting, Inc., www.allmanpc.com 617-947-4263, Twitter: @allmanpc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Thomas Dineen tdin...@ix.netcom.com writes: Gentle People: Think about how his behiaviour reflects on the effort of the entire Fedora community? I don't understand why you insist that Harald speaks for the entire Fedora community. Please keep in mind that how it deals with people who aren't entirely easy to get along with for some can have much more impact on how the entire Fedora community is perceived than some people who aren't entirely easy to get along with for some can have. BTW, I would appreciate it when posts that have gone through moderation had a disclaimer added to them so that their readers know that they have been moderated, even when the moderation leads to removing all content written by its author from the post. Is the list of senders who have been banned from the mailing list public? I don't like being kept in the dark, especially not by censorship. -- Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On 18.07.2013, Thomas Dineen wrote: If I were moderator I would have unsubscribed him by now (To reduce the health care cost (Headaches) of everyone involved. I consider this whole thread as completely useless. Somebody doesn't want to read somebodys mail? No problem. Use your killfile, redirect these mails into the trashbin, /dev/null or whatever, and you're done. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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On 07/19/2013 10:48 AM, Tim wrote: As you all stand by and endorse the perpetrator while they victimise me, you piss me off as well. All I see at this time is you attacking Harald. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Allegedly, on or about 18 July 2013, Timothy Murphy sent: Surely it is the easiest thing in the world not to read his postings, if they offend you. You need to see the bigger picture. As we all stand idly by and watch someone harass someone else, you endorse the victimisation. When you declare that the victim should just ignore them, you make the victim more of a victim. If we tell the victims not to complain about it, we victimise them even more. As you all stand by and endorse the perpetrator while they victimise me, you piss me off as well. -- All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au writes: Allegedly, on or about 18 July 2013, Timothy Murphy sent: Surely it is the easiest thing in the world not to read his postings, if they offend you. You need to see the bigger picture. As we all stand idly by and watch someone harass someone else, you endorse the victimisation. No, you don't. Not doing something doesn't mean that you are doing something else. Following your logic, you would be victimising me by declaring that I am doing something that I am not doing. When you declare that the victim should just ignore them, you make the victim more of a victim. One becomes a victim when they let someone else make them or when they are forced to yield to an overpowering force against their will. When one doesn't let make themselves a victim, perhaps by ignoring the overpowering force, they cannot be victimised. Harald is not at all an overpowering force in this context. There is always the possibility that someone is victimised by making them yield to an overpowering force not against their will because their will has been modified. However, one needs to be careful with questioning the will of others, for the questioning ones may become victimisers themselves. If we tell the victims not to complain about it, we victimise them even more. People can decide for themselves what they want to read or not. If someone can't or doesn't want to decide this, please give them the option to restrict what they receive from this mailing list to what the moderation is letting through, and let those who want to decide for themselves receive everything unmoderated. That could be a subscription option, similar to the option of receiving a mailing list as a digest or not. For those subscribers who chose to receive the list unmoderated, there don't need to be delays due to moderation. Following your logic, either one or the other kind of people is victimised by censorship either not being in effect or by censorship being in effect, and you are guilty of endorsing victimisation if you don't let people decide for themselves what they want to read. As you all stand by and endorse the perpetrator while they victimise me, you piss me off as well. Please, don't victimise others by trying to hold them entirely responsible for your perception and interpretation of what they might be doing or not, and please do not at all hold them responsible for what you declare that they would be doing when they are not. There is no need to feel victimised by someone not doing anything and no need to be pissed off by nothing. -- Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Then I'm really glad I'll be a burden to you for such a motive today. If coping with people humors is endorsing victimization, then damn it, I must be a really bad person. But guess what, I'll live with it. And you'll be the doubly pissed off one. Now I guess I'll stop answering to this, first because it's getting hard to answer to these since English isn't my first language, secondly because I guess I'm becoming part of the wee-wee I'm bored with. Which is ridiculous. Have a nice life, Eric Viseur 2013/7/19 Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au Allegedly, on or about 18 July 2013, Timothy Murphy sent: Surely it is the easiest thing in the world not to read his postings, if they offend you. You need to see the bigger picture. As we all stand idly by and watch someone harass someone else, you endorse the victimisation. When you declare that the victim should just ignore them, you make the victim more of a victim. If we tell the victims not to complain about it, we victimise them even more. As you all stand by and endorse the perpetrator while they victimise me, you piss me off as well. -- All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
first: if the Fedora community *would* be really that hypocritical like Tim and Thomas to name the both most aggressive ones and their few the same way embittered acting friends *please unsubscribe me* because i do *not* want to be member of a community where only political correctness is the holy grail and nothing else i live in a free world where humans are not get censored, sometimes can say honest and not perfectly polite words followed by drink a beer together and keep friends respecting each other at the end of the day *because* and not despite of that and the embittered ones have no place in my neighborhood hence i perfer persons saying i am an idiot into my face (because sometimes that is true as for anybody else) instead think the same while making a friendly face because this sort of people don't act sneaky at your back, the others most likely do sooner or later and you won't notice Am 19.07.2013 19:48, schrieb Tim: Allegedly, on or about 18 July 2013, Timothy Murphy sent: Surely it is the easiest thing in the world not to read his postings, if they offend you. You need to see the bigger picture it would be a good idea if you follow your recommendations As we all stand idly by and watch someone harass someone else, you endorse the victimisation. and *what are you doing* the whole time to me? look in the mirror to see your own hypocritical attitude i never harassed anybody without a quote explaining the reason, maybe not always perfectly understandable for anybody, but *never* the cocky way you are doing if have a personal problem i do not need incite a community because me is too proud for such shabby attitude As you all stand by and endorse the perpetrator while they victimise me, you piss me off as well oh - anybody which is not Harsld's enemy is yours exciting attitude - i doubt it makes you to a better person the really interesting point is that *you permanently* attack me on a personal level in the third person and *only* personally as well as the guy yesterday while made a few posts at all over months, most of them trolling, spreading FUD and attacking me more than i *ever* did it (well, i think there is no reason to repeat the list again) what let you think that you are in any case a better person then me? what let you think that this list needs people who demand from others what they self are unwilling to do? how many answers with knowledge and working config examples from business production systems did you post the last years? how long does it take until you respond with a answer and solution? how many bugreports did you make the last years? how often did you test apckages and gave karma? how often did you test kernel builds on your daywork-machines? how much time did you spend the last years in reproduce bugs? how many time did you spend the last years to solve problems? hint: if would really be the asshole you think i would not need to post anything and help others because the ratio seeking and giving answers in my case is 1:1000 over years in my excpierience people which have nothing better to do than preach what others have to do are not doing much else substantial signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts (was: a different point of view to etiquette)
inode0 ino...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Michael Hennebry henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu wrote: This is a reply to a reply sent directly to me as well as to the list. Moderation makes a horrible mess of the flow of discussion. Please don't get mad at each other for getting confused by or not noticing the effect it has. I'm about to the point where I don't think moderation can work. It's usually considered bad behaviour to send Ccs to the poster when replying to posts on mailing lists. Since Harald's post are moderated, he cannot know whether his posts will get through or not and how long they might be delayed. Considering sending Ccs under these circumstances as bad behaviour is somewhat difficult. I don't know what the point is in moderating his posts. He does things himself he does not like when others do them, and he can be told those 100 times not to do them and will steadfastly continue to do them. Moderating his posts isn't going to change that. I do not see Harald posting anything that would make me think he should be unsubscribed, but that could be due to some of his posts not coming through at all due to moderation. This is not a good situation for anyone. It is *far worse* than letting subscribers decide for themselves whether they want to read Haralds posts or not. I suggest to discontinue moderating Haralds posts. If that yields effects which require some sort of action, such action can still be taken --- perhaps after having a vote about it, in lack of a better alternative. PS: Tim, saying that he virtually succeeded in letting himself appear as a victim is misleading. What he succeeded in is making himself better understandable, even though that might not have been his intention. -- Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts (was: a different point of view to etiquette)
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 08:26:26 +0200, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: inode0 ino...@gmail.com writes: It's usually considered bad behaviour to send Ccs to the poster when replying to posts on mailing lists. Since Harald's post are moderated, he cannot know whether his posts will get through or not and how long they might be delayed. Considering sending Ccs under these circumstances as bad behaviour is somewhat difficult. One can use mail-followup-to headers to request that messages be just kept on list. There is also a setting for Fedora's mailing lists to not send copies to the list if a subscriber's address is in the recipient headers. (Though a just off list copy will have different headers that can affect filtering.) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts (was: a different point of view to etiquette)
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 08:26:26AM +0200, lee wrote: I don't know what the point is in moderating his posts. He does things Then you haven't seen his messages that haven't made it through the moderation queue. I know not all make it through (CC to inbox). No clue what is in those, I only read the ones who also make it to the mailing list :) -- Regards, Olav -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts (was: a different point of view to etiquette)
On Thu, 18 Jul 2013, lee wrote: inode0 ino...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Michael Hennebry henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu wrote: This is a reply to a reply sent directly to me as well as to the list. Moderation makes a horrible mess of the flow of discussion. Please don't get mad at each other for getting confused by or not noticing the effect it has. I'm about to the point where I don't think moderation can work. It's usually considered bad behaviour to send Ccs to the poster when replying to posts on mailing lists. Since Harald's post are moderated, he cannot know whether his posts will get through or not and how long they might be delayed. Considering sending Ccs under these circumstances as bad behaviour is somewhat difficult. In case it was not obvious, my quoted statement was for the primary purpose of ensuring that its readers knew the data-flow sequence. RH had complained about my response appearing on the list before his original. My quoted statement was not criticism. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu On Monday, I'm gonna have to tell my kindergarten class, whom I teach not to run with scissors, that my fiance ran me through with a broadsword. -- Lily -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl writes: On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 08:26:26AM +0200, lee wrote: I don't know what the point is in moderating his posts. He does things Then you haven't seen his messages that haven't made it through the moderation queue. I know not all make it through (CC to inbox). No clue what is in those, I only read the ones who also make it to the mailing list :) Yes, I pointed that out in my post. None of us has read messages from Harald we never saw, and that's all we can say about those, if such messages exist. -- Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Gentle People: I highly disagree here I regard Harald as an annoyance and liability! He has been extremely in polite on this reflector in the past, many, many times, personally calling me and others names on multiple occasions. If I were moderator I would have unsubscribed him by now (To reduce the health care cost (Headaches) of everyone involved. Yes I understand that he is technically strong, BUT we need people who are reasonably strong technically and can interact in a positive manor. Keep in mind that behavior on this public mail reflector reflects on the public image of the whole Fedora Project. Thomas Dineen On 7/18/2013 10:34 AM, lee wrote: Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl writes: On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 08:26:26AM +0200, lee wrote: I don't know what the point is in moderating his posts. He does things Then you haven't seen his messages that haven't made it through the moderation queue. I know not all make it through (CC to inbox). No clue what is in those, I only read the ones who also make it to the mailing list :) Yes, I pointed that out in my post. None of us has read messages from Harald we never saw, and that's all we can say about those, if such messages exist. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Thomas Dineen wrote: I highly disagree here I regard Harald as an annoyance and liability! ... If I were moderator I would have unsubscribed him by now (To reduce the health care cost (Headaches) of everyone involved. Surely it is the easiest thing in the world not to read his postings, if they offend you. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Gentle People: Think about how his behiaviour reflects on the effort of the entire Fedora community? Is he encouraging participation by other experts? Maybe not! Is he encouraging participation by new comers? Maybe not! Do his comments attract new users? Maybe not! Thomas Dineen On 7/18/2013 12:41 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Thomas Dineen wrote: I highly disagree here I regard Harald as an annoyance and liability! ... If I were moderator I would have unsubscribed him by now (To reduce the health care cost (Headaches) of everyone involved. Surely it is the easiest thing in the world not to read his postings, if they offend you. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Thomas Dineen tdin...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Gentle People: Think about how his behiaviour reflects on the effort of the entire Fedora community? Incessant whining by other community members also makes our community less appealing to many people. Can we please act as friends would act. Be generous in your assumptions, give people more chances than perhaps anyone deserves, try not to make matters worse by coaxing anyone into relapsing, etc. Now let's move on. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On 7/18/2013 3:59 PM, inode0 wrote: On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Thomas Dineen tdin...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Gentle People: Think about how his behiaviour reflects on the effort of the entire Fedora community? Incessant whining by other community members also makes our community less appealing to many people. Can we please act as friends would act. Be generous in your assumptions, give people more chances than perhaps anyone deserves, try not to make matters worse by coaxing anyone into relapsing, etc. Now let's move on. John +1 -- David -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Am 18.07.2013 20:16, schrieb Thomas Dineen: I highly disagree here and the gives you more voice? I regard Harald as an annoyance and liability! your opinion, there exists a dirty quote about opinions He has been extremely in polite on this reflector in the past, many, many times, personally calling me and others names on multiple occasions the last i replied *to you* in 2013 was in 2013/01 as you insisted to recommend Fedora 14 *for others* which is unacceptable these days for security reasons instead recommend CentOS or whatever LTS fine that i have a good archive back to 2003 - after the thread below i would be careful how to argue - i have replied to you exaectly 5 times, 3 of them in the thread below and don't get me wrong but in that case well-deserved and after your quotes below who do you think you are that you judge others? Original-Nachricht Betreff: Re: F-18/64 Install Methods - Datum: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 11:18:34 -0800 Von: Thomas Dineen tdin...@ix.netcom.com An: h.rei...@thelounge.net Oh little boy, why don't you go fix your bugs? If you are capable of it Thomas Dineen On 1/15/2013 11:06 AM, Thomas Dineen wrote: I am a citizen of a free society I can suggest anything that I like! Take a break, learn to speak English, learn to express yourself in civil manor, stop calling people names AND THEN FUCK OFF!! Thomas Dineen https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-January/428812.html https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-January/428818.html https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-January/428840.html https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-January/428844.html https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-January/428846.html signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts (glass house and stones)
may i ask you why you ignored my reply showing what kind of guy you are below? the web does not forget and i do not try to hide my mistakes - honesty could someone call it which is more important than your hypocrisy while you juddge me Am 18.07.2013 21:52, schrieb Thomas Dineen: Think about how his behiaviour reflects on the effort of the entire Fedora community? Is he encouraging participation by other experts? Maybe not! Is he encouraging participation by new comers? Maybe not! Do his comments attract new users? Maybe not! Am 18.07.2013 20:59, schrieb Reindl Harald: Am 18.07.2013 20:16, schrieb Thomas Dineen: I highly disagree here and the gives you more voice? I regard Harald as an annoyance and liability! your opinion, there exists a dirty quote about opinions He has been extremely in polite on this reflector in the past, many, many times, personally calling me and others names on multiple occasions the last i replied *to you* in 2013 was in 2013/01 as you insisted to recommend Fedora 14 *for others* which is unacceptable these days for security reasons instead recommend CentOS or whatever LTS fine that i have a good archive back to 2003 - after the thread below i would be careful how to argue - i have replied to you exaectly 5 times, 3 of them in the thread below and don't get me wrong but in that case well-deserved and after your quotes below who do you think you are that you judge others? Original-Nachricht Betreff:Re: F-18/64 Install Methods - Datum: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 11:18:34 -0800 Von:Thomas Dineen tdin...@ix.netcom.com An: h.rei...@thelounge.net Oh little boy, why don't you go fix your bugs? If you are capable of it Thomas Dineen On 1/15/2013 11:06 AM, Thomas Dineen wrote: I am a citizen of a free society I can suggest anything that I like! Take a break, learn to speak English, learn to express yourself in civil manor, stop calling people names AND THEN FUCK OFF!! Thomas Dineen https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-January/428812.html https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-January/428818.html https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-January/428840.html https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-January/428844.html https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-January/428846.html On 7/18/2013 12:41 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Thomas Dineen wrote: I highly disagree here I regard Harald as an annoyance and liability! ... If I were moderator I would have unsubscribed him by now (To reduce the health care cost (Headaches) of everyone involved. Surely it is the easiest thing in the world not to read his postings, if they offend you. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
As a recent newcomer, I only have one thing to say : I can live with some people being sometimes harsh. We're all human beings, we all lose our temper sometimes. Some do more often than others. But damn it, all this wee-wee about him being rude to others is becoming ridiculous and might drive me away from this mailing list. All you people whining, not Harald being rude sometimes. Nuff said. Eric Viseur 2013/7/18 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net Am 18.07.2013 20:16, schrieb Thomas Dineen: I highly disagree here and the gives you more voice? I regard Harald as an annoyance and liability! your opinion, there exists a dirty quote about opinions He has been extremely in polite on this reflector in the past, many, many times, personally calling me and others names on multiple occasions the last i replied *to you* in 2013 was in 2013/01 as you insisted to recommend Fedora 14 *for others* which is unacceptable these days for security reasons instead recommend CentOS or whatever LTS fine that i have a good archive back to 2003 - after the thread below i would be careful how to argue - i have replied to you exaectly 5 times, 3 of them in the thread below and don't get me wrong but in that case well-deserved and after your quotes below who do you think you are that you judge others? Original-Nachricht Betreff: Re: F-18/64 Install Methods - Datum: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 11:18:34 -0800 Von: Thomas Dineen tdin...@ix.netcom.com An: h.rei...@thelounge.net Oh little boy, why don't you go fix your bugs? If you are capable of it Thomas Dineen On 1/15/2013 11:06 AM, Thomas Dineen wrote: I am a citizen of a free society I can suggest anything that I like! Take a break, learn to speak English, learn to express yourself in civil manor, stop calling people names AND THEN FUCK OFF!! Thomas Dineen https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-January/428812.html https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-January/428818.html https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-January/428840.html https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-January/428844.html https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-January/428846.html -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Like Eric, I find all this whinging about Harald's (supposed) rudeness far more annoying than the (supposed) rudeness. Please lay off and get on with talking about substantive Fedora issues. cheers, Rolf Turner On 19/07/13 09:35, Eric Viseur wrote: As a recent newcomer, I only have one thing to say : I can live with some people being sometimes harsh. We're all human beings, we all lose our temper sometimes. Some do more often than others. But damn it, all this wee-wee about him being rude to others is becoming ridiculous and might drive me away from this mailing list. All you people whining, not Harald being rude sometimes. Nuff said. Eric Viseur 2013/7/18 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net mailto:h.rei...@thelounge.net Am 18.07.2013 20:16, schrieb Thomas Dineen: I highly disagree here and the gives you more voice? I regard Harald as an annoyance and liability! your opinion, there exists a dirty quote about opinions He has been extremely in polite on this reflector in the past, many, many times, personally calling me and others names on multiple occasions the last i replied *to you* in 2013 was in 2013/01 as you insisted to recommend Fedora 14 *for others* which is unacceptable these days for security reasons instead recommend CentOS or whatever LTS fine that i have a good archive back to 2003 - after the thread below i would be careful how to argue - i have replied to you exaectly 5 times, 3 of them in the thread below and don't get me wrong but in that case well-deserved and after your quotes below who do you think you are that you judge others? Original-Nachricht Betreff: Re: F-18/64 Install Methods - Datum: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 11:18:34 -0800 Von: Thomas Dineen tdin...@ix.netcom.com mailto:tdin...@ix.netcom.com An: h.rei...@thelounge.net mailto:h.rei...@thelounge.net Oh little boy, why don't you go fix your bugs? If you are capable of it Thomas Dineen On 1/15/2013 11:06 AM, Thomas Dineen wrote: I am a citizen of a free society I can suggest anything that I like! Take a break, learn to speak English, learn to express yourself in civil manor, stop calling people names AND THEN FUCK OFF!! Thomas Dineen https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-January/428812.html https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-January/428818.html https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-January/428840.html https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-January/428844.html https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-January/428846.html -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 11:16:53 -0700 Thomas Dineen tdin...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Gentle People: I highly disagree here I regard Harald as an annoyance and liability! From what I read, Harald is a bit the Linus (in speaking style) of the fedora mailing list. From time to time he gets upset. So what? He's passionate. Are you annoyed? I am amused. His technical expertise make sens, and he is very active on the users list. I vote to discontinue to moderate Harald posts. -- nomnex⚑ nom...@gmail.com Freenode: nomnex Registered Linux user #505281. Be counted at: http://linuxcounter.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On 07/18/2013 05:57 PM, Rolf Turner wrote: Like Eric, I find all this whinging about Harald's (supposed) rudeness far more annoying than the (supposed) rudeness. Please lay off and get on with talking about substantive Fedora issues. cheers, Rolf Turner On 19/07/13 09:35, Eric Viseur wrote: As a recent newcomer, I only have one thing to say : I can live with some people being sometimes harsh. We're all human beings, we all lose our temper sometimes. Some do more often than others. But damn it, all this wee-wee about him being rude to others is becoming ridiculous and might drive me away from this mailing list. All you people whining, not Harald being rude sometimes. Nuff said. Eric Viseur 2013/7/18 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net mailto:h.rei...@thelounge.net Am 18.07.2013 20:16, schrieb Thomas Dineen: I highly disagree here and the gives you more voice? I regard Harald as an annoyance and liability! your opinion, there exists a dirty quote about opinions He has been extremely in polite on this reflector in the past, many, many times, personally calling me and others names on multiple occasions the last i replied *to you* in 2013 was in 2013/01 as you insisted to recommend Fedora 14 *for others* which is unacceptable these days for security reasons instead recommend CentOS or whatever LTS fine that i have a good archive back to 2003 - after the thread below i would be careful how to argue - i have replied to you exaectly 5 times, 3 of them in the thread below and don't get me wrong but in that case well-deserved and after your quotes below who do you think you are that you judge others? Original-Nachricht Betreff: Re: F-18/64 Install Methods - Datum: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 11:18:34 -0800 Von: Thomas Dineen tdin...@ix.netcom.com mailto:tdin...@ix.netcom.com An: h.rei...@thelounge.net mailto:h.rei...@thelounge.net Oh little boy, why don't you go fix your bugs? If you are capable of it Thomas Dineen On 1/15/2013 11:06 AM, Thomas Dineen wrote: I am a citizen of a free society I can suggest anything that I like! Take a break, learn to speak English, learn to express yourself in civil manor, stop calling people names AND THEN FUCK OFF!! Thomas Dineen https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-January/428812.html https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-January/428818.html https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-January/428840.html https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-January/428844.html https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-January/428846.html -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org Well I for one will be leavingI may return in the future, but I made a similar plea earlier about this same issue, and wellI'll see you all in the future! Cheers! And keep up the great work guys! Cheers! Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
