Re: upgrade to 23 when it comes out

[Joe Zeff]

On 11/04/2015 03:51 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:

The advantage of the current dnf upgrade method is that the upgrade
happens in a special mode with only the minimal necessary to run the
upgrade process and this minimized the conflict with running services
and libraries in memory on the unofficial process.  The upgrade tool
ideally should warn you about disk space issues and other conflicts
*before* it does anything.  use --best to find that out and
--allowerasing to remove packages as needed.


I'll remember that, or at least try to, once I'm using dnf for upgrades. 
 In my case, at least, the main problem other than disk space was 
google earth conflicting with a filesystem package, and after the 
upgrade, it still does.  And, since I was using the computer at the 
time, all I had to do was look at the terminal the upgrade was using to 
see what had gone wrong.  Does this dnf upgrade method leave any record 
of errors if and when it's not able to complete?

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Re: upgrade to 23 when it comes out

[Joe Zeff]

On 11/04/2015 04:27 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

I used dnf distro-sync --releasever=23 and at no time was my system unusable. It was sort 
of like the old "unofficial" yum upgrade days.


Oh, good.  Not only is it more convenient, but it looks like it's easier 
both to see that it's not hung, or to find out what went wrong.

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Re: upgrade to 23 when it comes out

[Joe Zeff]

On 11/04/2015 03:33 PM, Porfirio Andres Paiz Carrasco wrote:

The computer reboots, and then select the most recent kernel on your
grub, commonly the first.

And what's come is a process in which will be upgraded all of the
packages on your system, the cleaned/removed the old ones from fedora
22, and after thar will be checked that everything is fine.


So while the system is upgrading, it's otherwise unusable, just as it 
was with preupgrade and fedup.  I'm now in the process of taking my 
desktop from F19 to (at least) F22 one step at a time with 
fedora-upgrade.  (This was delayed by hardware issues.)  At no time 
during the upgrade from 19 to 20 was the computer otherwise unusable, 
and there was only one reboot needed, when the process was complete.  It 
took several tries because of glitches, such as needing to clear enough 
space for it to work, but each time that happened, the cause of the 
issue was clear because you could read the error message in the 
terminal.  Frankly, this unofficial method looks better to me than the 
official one, but YMMV.

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Re: upgrade to 23 when it comes out

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 6:43 PM, Joe Zeff  wrote:

>  At no time during the upgrade from 19 to 20 was the computer otherwise
> unusable, and there was only one reboot needed, when the process was
> complete.  It took several tries because of glitches, such as needing to
> clear enough space for it to work, but each time that happened, the cause
> of the issue was clear because you could read the error message in the
> terminal.  Frankly, this unofficial method looks better to me than the
> official one, but YMMV.


The advantage of the current dnf upgrade method is that the upgrade happens
in a special mode with only the minimal necessary to run the upgrade
process and this minimized the conflict with running services and libraries
in memory on the unofficial process.  The upgrade tool ideally should warn
you about disk space issues and other conflicts *before* it does anything.
 use --best to find that out and --allowerasing to remove packages as
needed.

Rahul
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Re: upgrade to 23 when it comes out

[Porfirio Andres Paiz Carrasco]

2015-10-31 15:15 GMT-06:00 Porfirio Andres Paiz Carrasco
:
> 2015-10-31 13:23 GMT-06:00 Sudhir Khanger :
>> On Saturday 31 Oct 2015 12:35:08 AM Porfirio Andres Paiz Carrasco wrote:
> I have a computer in which I can test this, now is runnig a fedora 22
> workstation and I planning to make a upgrade to fedora 23 early un
> Tuesday, so later I will share any news.
>
Done! Everything is OK, now I'm runnig a Fedora 23 Workstation that
used to be a Fedora 22 Workstation.

I followed the next command list:
First update all your system:
su -c "dnf update"

Before installing dnf-plugin-system-upgrade remove this packages, this
package (fedup-dracut) stop me at the beginning from installing the
upgrade assistant:
su -c "dnf remove -y fedup-dracut"

Then you will be able to install the upgrade-plugin:
su -c "dnf install dnf-plugin-system-upgrade"

Or with this command:
su -c "dnf --enablerepo=updates-testing install dnf-plugin-system-upgrade"

Then mask some services:
su -c "systemctl mask packagekit-offline-update.service
fwupd-offline-update.service"

And finally start downloading every single package that will be
installed to replace (upgrade) every single package installed on your
system:
su -c "dnf system-upgrade download --releasever=23"

When the downloading process has finished, you will be asked for
reboot your system:
su -c "dnf system-upgrade reboot"

The computer reboots, and then select the most recent kernel on your
grub, commonly the first.

And what's come is a process in which will be upgraded all of the
packages on your system, the cleaned/removed the old ones from fedora
22, and after thar will be checked that everything is fine.

If the screen freezes and stop provinding feed back, Don't Panic!,
just press the up arrow key to refresh it.

And when everything is upgrade, the computer reboots and you will see
the new grub entry at the top.

Finally when you are logged with your daily user, restart this services:
su -c "systemctl unmask packagekit-offline-update.service
fwupd-offline-update.service"

Clean all:
su -c "dnf clean all"

to finish:
dnf distro-sync --releasever=23

And is done!

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Re: upgrade to 23 when it comes out

[Porfirio Andres Paiz Carrasco]

2015-11-04 17:43 GMT-06:00 Joe Zeff :
> On 11/04/2015 03:33 PM, Porfirio Andres Paiz Carrasco wrote:
>>
>> The computer reboots, and then select the most recent kernel on your
>> grub, commonly the first.
>>
>> And what's come is a process in which will be upgraded all of the
>> packages on your system, the cleaned/removed the old ones from fedora
>> 22, and after thar will be checked that everything is fine.
>
>
> So while the system is upgrading, it's otherwise unusable, just as it was
> with preupgrade and fedup.  I'm now in the process of taking my desktop from
> F19 to (at least) F22 one step at a time with fedora-upgrade.  (This was
> delayed by hardware issues.)  At no time during the upgrade from 19 to 20
> was the computer otherwise unusable, and there was only one reboot needed,
> when the process was complete.  It took several tries because of glitches,
> such as needing to clear enough space for it to work, but each time that
> happened, the cause of the issue was clear because you could read the error
> message in the terminal.  Frankly, this unofficial method looks better to me
> than the official one, but YMMV.
>
Yes, the system remains unusable during the upgrading after rebooting.
In addition, I forgot to mention that in my fedora 22 instalation had
few packages installed and apart from fedora official repos I had
rpm-fusion and google-chrome repos enabled, so after the downloading
process I ended with 1.5 GB of upgrades packages, so make sure you
have enough free space for the upgrading.

This is my list of installed packages after the upgrading:
http://paste.fedoraproject.org/287035/46677730

And also I would like to add that this is the first time that I don't
make a fresh install, this is the first time that I upgrade an
existing Fedora install into a next major release, and I'm so happy
that everything went fine, is perfect.

Thanks to all the people that made this release posible, thanks to all
the alpha and beta testers, fedora maintainers, developers, and the
people that collaborate to make this possible.

Cheers.
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Re: upgrade to 23 when it comes out

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Joe Zeff < wrote:

>
> I'll remember that, or at least try to, once I'm using dnf for upgrades.
> In my case, at least, the main problem other than disk space was google
> earth conflicting with a filesystem package, and after the upgrade, it
> still does.  And, since I was using the computer at the time, all I had to
> do was look at the terminal the upgrade was using to see what had gone
> wrong.


Sure and the current method should inform you of this conflict before the
upgrade process starts.

Does this dnf upgrade method leave any record of errors if and when it's
> not able to complete?


Yep.  see man dnf.plugin.system-upgrade

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Re: upgrade to 23 when it comes out

[Ranjan Maitra]

On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:54:18 -0600 Porfirio Andres Paiz Carrasco 
 wrote:

> 2015-11-04 17:43 GMT-06:00 Joe Zeff :
> > On 11/04/2015 03:33 PM, Porfirio Andres Paiz Carrasco wrote:
> >>
> >> The computer reboots, and then select the most recent kernel on your
> >> grub, commonly the first.
> >>
> >> And what's come is a process in which will be upgraded all of the
> >> packages on your system, the cleaned/removed the old ones from fedora
> >> 22, and after thar will be checked that everything is fine.
> >
> >
> > So while the system is upgrading, it's otherwise unusable, just as it was
> > with preupgrade and fedup. 

I used dnf distro-sync --releasever=23 and at no time was my system unusable. 
It was sort of like the old "unofficial" yum upgrade days. 

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Re: upgrade to 23 when it comes out

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 01 November 2015, jd1008 sent:
> To make matters easy for the future, you can move the /home dir to
> another partition, or better yet to another drive so it is never
> affected by fresh installs of your choice of distro onto the boot
> drive. The boot drive can have a symlink to the actual partition or
> drive containing /home. 

Or /home can be a mount point in /etc/fstab (which is the usual way of
handling a separate /home partition or drive).  Using symlinks could end
up with some SELinux shenanigans.

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Re: upgrade to 23 when it comes out

[Ralf Corsepius]

On 10/31/2015 07:35 AM, Porfirio Andres Paiz Carrasco wrote:

2015-10-31 0:16 GMT-06:00 William Biggs <bbi...@fastmail.com>:


I installed xface f22 64 bit then installed Cinnamon Desktop . When 23
comes out if I upgrade using fedup . I think that what is is called .
Will I get the Cinnamon Desktop . or the xface desktop since it was the
core install ?


I think fedup is not more available.


It still is available, but has been re-written as a wrapper around 
dnf-plugin-system-upgrade:


# rpm -qf /usr/bin/fedup
dnf-plugin-system-upgrade-0.4.1-1.fc23.noarch

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upgrade to 23 when it comes out

[William Biggs]

I installed xface f22 64 bit then installed Cinnamon Desktop . When 23
comes out if I upgrade using fedup . I think that what is is called .
Will I get the Cinnamon Desktop . or the xface desktop since it was the
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Re: upgrade to 23 when it comes out

[Porfirio Andres Paiz Carrasco]

2015-10-31 0:16 GMT-06:00 William Biggs <bbi...@fastmail.com>:
>
> I installed xface f22 64 bit then installed Cinnamon Desktop . When 23
> comes out if I upgrade using fedup . I think that what is is called .
> Will I get the Cinnamon Desktop . or the xface desktop since it was the
> core install ?

I think fedup is not more available. The new upgrading tool is a dnf-plugin:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/dnf-plugin-system-upgrade/

More details in the wiki:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DNF_system_upgrade

Basically you need to run:
sudo dnf system-upgrade download --releasever=23
sudo dnf system-upgrade reboot

or:
sudo dnf distro-sync --releasever=23

About which desktop you will get, I'm not sure, but I think that every
singel package will be upgrade to the most recent version available on
the new fedora releasea, so both DE should be available for you after
the upgrading.

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Re: upgrade to 23 when it comes out

[Porfirio Andres Paiz Carrasco]

2015-10-31 13:23 GMT-06:00 Sudhir Khanger :
> On Saturday 31 Oct 2015 12:35:08 AM Porfirio Andres Paiz Carrasco wrote:
>> About which desktop you will get, I'm not sure, but I think that every
>> singel package will be upgrade to the most recent version available on
>> the new fedora releasea, so both DE should be available for you after
>> the upgrading.
>
> Is that non-product thing no longer required to be mentioned in the upgrade
> command?
>
According with the wiki, seems like is not necessary anymore:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DNF_system_upgrade

I have a computer in which I can test this, now is runnig a fedora 22
workstation and I planning to make a upgrade to fedora 23 early un
Tuesday, so later I will share any news.

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Re: upgrade to 23 when it comes out

[Sudhir Khanger]

On Saturday 31 Oct 2015 12:35:08 AM Porfirio Andres Paiz Carrasco wrote:
> About which desktop you will get, I'm not sure, but I think that every
> singel package will be upgrade to the most recent version available on
> the new fedora releasea, so both DE should be available for you after
> the upgrading.

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Re: upgrade to 23 when it comes out

[jd1008]

On 10/31/2015 12:16 AM, William Biggs wrote:

I installed xface f22 64 bit then installed Cinnamon Desktop . When 23
comes out if I upgrade using fedup . I think that what is is called .
Will I get the Cinnamon Desktop . or the xface desktop since it was the
core install ?

Upgrading via dnf does not affect your current choice of desktop, as that
is encoded in a file in your home directory.

To make matters easy for the future, you can move the /home dir to
another partition, or better yet to another drive so it is never affected
by fresh installs of your choice of distro onto the boot drive. The boot
drive can have a symlink to the actual partition or drive containing /home.

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Re: upgrade to 23 when it comes out

[Ranjan Maitra]

On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 00:35:08 -0600 Porfirio Andres Paiz Carrasco 
<porfiriop...@gmail.com> wrote:

> 2015-10-31 0:16 GMT-06:00 William Biggs <bbi...@fastmail.com>:
> >
> > I installed xface f22 64 bit then installed Cinnamon Desktop . When 23
> > comes out if I upgrade using fedup . I think that what is is called .
> > Will I get the Cinnamon Desktop . or the xface desktop since it was the
> > core install ?
> 
> I think fedup is not more available. The new upgrading tool is a dnf-plugin:
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/dnf-plugin-system-upgrade/
> 
> More details in the wiki:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DNF_system_upgrade
> 
> Basically you need to run:
> sudo dnf system-upgrade download --releasever=23
> sudo dnf system-upgrade reboot
> 
> or:
> sudo dnf distro-sync --releasever=23

One of the points that bothered me about fedup was that (in my experience) 
there was no Y/N question before going ahead with the actual update (which both 
yum and dnf have before going through with an update, unless explicitly called 
with the -y option). It simply went through the list to download and then went 
on updating/upgrading. 

Is this option there when distro-sync is done using dnf? 

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