Re: vlc alternative?

2023-11-30 Thread Tim via users
Tim:
>> If you open VLC's media information window (in the tools menu),
>> when it is connected, does it give you any useful info about the
>> stream it's currently playing?

Alex:
> It just displays "udp://127.0.0.1:5000" in the Title.

You'd need to look in the *location* box, that'd show the URL that VLC
is working with. The *title* is just the name it wants you to see, it
can be set differently. Though may just be the same as the address.

UDP, unless there's more than one thing with the same name, is just a
very basic part of TCP/IP data transmissions. There needs to be a
handling protocol for what you're doing (which could use UDP or TCP for
the actual data transmission).

e.g. Web pages are viewed using HTTP over TCP. HTTP is how you request
what you want, and how it's handled in sending it to you. The data
packets are TCP transmissions.

If I watch a video stream (from something else) on VLC, I see something
like this in the location gadget: rtsp://frontdoor:554/ch01/1/

 * rtsp is a streaming protocol (real time streaming protocol) which
   could use UDP or TCP, but video streaming tends to use UDP.  With
   UDP, data is just streamed at it, and any transmission losses are
   ignored presuming that you can put up with a tiny blip between data,
   missing data, more data, more data, bits missing, more data, etc.
   TCP has more integrity, and reassembles the chunks of data in the
   correct order, but can be a problem if the stream loses chunks - it
   needs some other way to skip past it and just keep on going.
 * frontdoor is the hostname for a particular device
 * 554 is the port
 * And the other two /ch01/1/ URL parts are the request for a
   particular datastream from the device


I suspect you're going to strike another problem. Whatever viewer they
use not only has to decode and display the stream, but give you some
way to select what you want to watch. Unless you have some remote
control device that directly controls their box, I don't know how you'd
select one program from another.

Some developer info gives some clues:
https://info.hdhomerun.com/info/http_api

Which suggests some sort of webpage interface. I'm guessing some kind
of menu, you choose your program to watch, it'll come back on a
specific URL that'll open in your viewing program. Maybe they've
created their own mimetype, just called it udp.

Another page talks about RTP:
https://info.hdhomerun.com/info/hdhomerun_config
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Re: vlc alternative?

2023-11-30 Thread Alex
Hi,

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 2:48 PM Tim via users 
wrote:

> On Wed, 2023-11-29 at 11:02 -0500, Alex wrote:
> > I contacted silicondust support, and they said any application that
> > supports DNLA will work, but apparently weren't able to tell me how
> > vlc specifically is being spawned. It's definitely launched by
> > HDHomeRun, but I can't find anything in the documentation or any
> > local config files that describes how that's happening.
>
> If you open VLC's media information window (in the tools menu), when it
> is connected, does it give you any useful info about the stream it's
> currently playing?
>

It just displays "udp://127.0.0.1:5000" in the Title.

>
> I could guess that their box has some kind of webserver that you may be
> able to aim VLC at (using the box's IP address).
>

It does, but there's no ability to control which app is used.

This was also confirmed by silicondust support in a roundabout way, at
least. They said there's no ability to configure which app is used.

It appears to me that it's hardcoded/compiled into the HDHomeRun app.
strings and strace on a running binary appears to confirm this.

Oh, I've also now looked at the fedora SRPM and see that it's hardcoded:

$ grep -r vlc *
src/Viewer.cpp: ExeName = "vlc";
src/Viewer.cpp: OSStatus appStatus =
LSFindApplicationForInfo(kLSUnknownCreator, CFSTR("org.videolan.vlc"),
NULL, NULL, );
src/Viewer.cpp: g_string_sprintf(DebugPrefix, "%08lX-%u vlc:", (unsigned
long)Dev->DeviceID, Dev->TunerIndex);

I also tried to follow the instructions on starting vlc first from the
command-line, so I can later try it with smplayer, but couldn't get it to
work:
https://forum.silicondust.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1924

Thanks,
Alex
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Re: vlc alternative?

2023-11-29 Thread Tim via users
On Wed, 2023-11-29 at 11:02 -0500, Alex wrote:
> I contacted silicondust support, and they said any application that
> supports DNLA will work, but apparently weren't able to tell me how
> vlc specifically is being spawned. It's definitely launched by
> HDHomeRun, but I can't find anything in the documentation or any
> local config files that describes how that's happening.

If you open VLC's media information window (in the tools menu), when it
is connected, does it give you any useful info about the stream it's
currently playing?

DNLA is a set of (alleged) standards about home network streaming.  I
might guess it needs mDNS (Avahi/ZeroConf) working for the source
device to be automatically found by any player devices.  It seemed to
be working that way when I used a smart TV to look at files on a NAS
with a media server built into it (as to how it found the NAS drives by
itself).

My dabbling with this kind of thing is quite out of date.  A friend
used some Western Digital media players connected to his TV set, many
years ago.  They'd find his media store (NAS drives, if I remember
correctly, though could have been SMB shares), and the WD media players
would trawl through the available contents generating an on-screen menu
of things to watch.

I could guess that their box has some kind of webserver that you may be
able to aim VLC at (using the box's IP address).

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Re: vlc alternative?

2023-11-29 Thread Roger Heflin
if you installed their software then it could be doing anything.  it
is very likely that they do not have anyone still around who remembers
what the software does.  You would have to look at it and see if it is
a bunch of scripts and/or how it works.

I use my HDhomeruns via mythtv.  The hardest part of mythtv is the
initial setup, once you get it setup about all I have had to do is
update the channel list and/or run a scan every so often because the
broadcast channels keep changing frequencies.

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 10:03 AM Alex  wrote:
>
>
>> ps ax | grep -E 'tty2|pts/21' and see what is starting it on those terminals.
>
>
> Virtually everything started after logging in.
>
> I contacted silicondust support, and they said any application that supports 
> DNLA will work, but apparently weren't able to tell me how vlc specifically 
> is being spawned. It's definitely launched by HDHomeRun, but I can't find 
> anything in the documentation or any local config files that describes how 
> that's happening.
>
> Their documentation appears to indicate you have to first set the UDP port 
> after starting vlc, but that's not even necessary with the way it's somehow 
> configured on my system.
>
> Any ideas greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 7:19 PM Alex  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 5:14 PM ToddAndMargo via users 
>> >  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 11/27/23 09:29, Alex wrote:
>> >> > Hi,
>> >> > I'm using vlc with my hdhomerun TV tuner, but vlc has a problem that
>> >> > hasn't been fixed for a really long time. Does anyone have a
>> >> > recommendation for a similar app I can use for streaming?
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm really only otherwise familiar with mplayer, but I don't think it
>> >> > supports streaming in this way where I can connect it to a socket like I
>> >> > can with vlc.
>> >> >
>> >> > btw, the vlc error involves messages like these:
>> >> >
>> >> > [7fb3a4001130] ts demux error: libdvbpsi error (PSI decoder): TS
>> >> > discontinuity (received 10, expected 9) for PID 112
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks,
>> >> > Alex
>> >>
>> >> Hi Alex,
>> >>
>> >> I could ot stand all the bugs in vlc so I switched to SMPlayer.
>> >> I stream music all the time.
>> >>
>> >> Here is my keeper on SMPlayer:
>> >
>> >
>> > That is very helpful, thanks. I already had RPM Fusion installed, and now 
>> > also have smplayer installed.
>> >
>> > However, my HDHomeRun config appears to be linked directly to vlc, and I 
>> > don't know how to change it to instead spawn smplayer.
>> >
>> > $ ps ax|grep vlc
>> > 2963508 tty2 Sl+0:03 /usr/bin/vlc --started-from-file
>> > 2964260 pts/21   Sl+0:01 vlc --deinterlace=-1 udp://@127.0.0.1:5000
>> >
>> > Where is it getting this config info from? I've tried resetting the vlc 
>> > config, and have searched through the menus looking for something related 
>> > to UDP 5000 and don't see anything. I've also tried to figure out how 
>> > HDHomeRun is launching vlc from a file(?), but also don't see anything 
>> > there, unless it's talking about the socket...
>> >
>> > Any ideas greatly appreciated.
>> > Thanks,
>> > Alex
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: vlc alternative?

2023-11-29 Thread Alex
> ps ax | grep -E 'tty2|pts/21' and see what is starting it on those
> terminals.
>

Virtually everything started after logging in.

I contacted silicondust support, and they said any application that
supports DNLA will work, but apparently weren't able to tell me how vlc
specifically is being spawned. It's definitely launched by HDHomeRun, but I
can't find anything in the documentation or any local config files that
describes how that's happening.

Their documentation appears to indicate you have to first set the UDP port
after starting vlc, but that's not even necessary with the way it's somehow
configured on my system.

Any ideas greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Alex





>
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 7:19 PM Alex  wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 5:14 PM ToddAndMargo via users <
> users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 11/27/23 09:29, Alex wrote:
> >> > Hi,
> >> > I'm using vlc with my hdhomerun TV tuner, but vlc has a problem that
> >> > hasn't been fixed for a really long time. Does anyone have a
> >> > recommendation for a similar app I can use for streaming?
> >> >
> >> > I'm really only otherwise familiar with mplayer, but I don't think it
> >> > supports streaming in this way where I can connect it to a socket
> like I
> >> > can with vlc.
> >> >
> >> > btw, the vlc error involves messages like these:
> >> >
> >> > [7fb3a4001130] ts demux error: libdvbpsi error (PSI decoder): TS
> >> > discontinuity (received 10, expected 9) for PID 112
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Alex
> >>
> >> Hi Alex,
> >>
> >> I could ot stand all the bugs in vlc so I switched to SMPlayer.
> >> I stream music all the time.
> >>
> >> Here is my keeper on SMPlayer:
> >
> >
> > That is very helpful, thanks. I already had RPM Fusion installed, and
> now also have smplayer installed.
> >
> > However, my HDHomeRun config appears to be linked directly to vlc, and I
> don't know how to change it to instead spawn smplayer.
> >
> > $ ps ax|grep vlc
> > 2963508 tty2 Sl+0:03 /usr/bin/vlc --started-from-file
> > 2964260 pts/21   Sl+0:01 vlc --deinterlace=-1 udp://@127.0.0.1:5000
> >
> > Where is it getting this config info from? I've tried resetting the vlc
> config, and have searched through the menus looking for something related
> to UDP 5000 and don't see anything. I've also tried to figure out how
> HDHomeRun is launching vlc from a file(?), but also don't see anything
> there, unless it's talking about the socket...
> >
> > Any ideas greatly appreciated.
> > Thanks,
> > Alex
> >>
> >>
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Re: vlc alternative?

2023-11-27 Thread Roger Heflin
ps ax | grep -E 'tty2|pts/21' and see what is starting it on those terminals.

On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 7:19 PM Alex  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 5:14 PM ToddAndMargo via users 
>  wrote:
>>
>> On 11/27/23 09:29, Alex wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> > I'm using vlc with my hdhomerun TV tuner, but vlc has a problem that
>> > hasn't been fixed for a really long time. Does anyone have a
>> > recommendation for a similar app I can use for streaming?
>> >
>> > I'm really only otherwise familiar with mplayer, but I don't think it
>> > supports streaming in this way where I can connect it to a socket like I
>> > can with vlc.
>> >
>> > btw, the vlc error involves messages like these:
>> >
>> > [7fb3a4001130] ts demux error: libdvbpsi error (PSI decoder): TS
>> > discontinuity (received 10, expected 9) for PID 112
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Alex
>>
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> I could ot stand all the bugs in vlc so I switched to SMPlayer.
>> I stream music all the time.
>>
>> Here is my keeper on SMPlayer:
>
>
> That is very helpful, thanks. I already had RPM Fusion installed, and now 
> also have smplayer installed.
>
> However, my HDHomeRun config appears to be linked directly to vlc, and I 
> don't know how to change it to instead spawn smplayer.
>
> $ ps ax|grep vlc
> 2963508 tty2 Sl+0:03 /usr/bin/vlc --started-from-file
> 2964260 pts/21   Sl+0:01 vlc --deinterlace=-1 udp://@127.0.0.1:5000
>
> Where is it getting this config info from? I've tried resetting the vlc 
> config, and have searched through the menus looking for something related to 
> UDP 5000 and don't see anything. I've also tried to figure out how HDHomeRun 
> is launching vlc from a file(?), but also don't see anything there, unless 
> it's talking about the socket...
>
> Any ideas greatly appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Alex
>>
>>
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Re: vlc alternative?

2023-11-27 Thread Alex
Hi,

On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 5:14 PM ToddAndMargo via users <
users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> On 11/27/23 09:29, Alex wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I'm using vlc with my hdhomerun TV tuner, but vlc has a problem that
> > hasn't been fixed for a really long time. Does anyone have a
> > recommendation for a similar app I can use for streaming?
> >
> > I'm really only otherwise familiar with mplayer, but I don't think it
> > supports streaming in this way where I can connect it to a socket like I
> > can with vlc.
> >
> > btw, the vlc error involves messages like these:
> >
> > [7fb3a4001130] ts demux error: libdvbpsi error (PSI decoder): TS
> > discontinuity (received 10, expected 9) for PID 112
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Alex
>
> Hi Alex,
>
> I could ot stand all the bugs in vlc so I switched to SMPlayer.
> I stream music all the time.
>
> Here is my keeper on SMPlayer:
>

That is very helpful, thanks. I already had RPM Fusion installed, and now
also have smplayer installed.

However, my HDHomeRun config appears to be linked directly to vlc, and I
don't know how to change it to instead spawn smplayer.

$ ps ax|grep vlc
2963508 tty2 Sl+0:03 /usr/bin/vlc --started-from-file
2964260 pts/21   Sl+0:01 vlc --deinterlace=-1 udp://@127.0.0.1:5000

Where is it getting this config info from? I've tried resetting the vlc
config, and have searched through the menus looking for something related
to UDP 5000 and don't see anything. I've also tried to figure out how
HDHomeRun is launching vlc from a file(?), but also don't see anything
there, unless it's talking about the socket...

Any ideas greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Alex

>
>
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Re: vlc alternative?

2023-11-27 Thread ToddAndMargo via users

On 11/27/23 09:29, Alex wrote:

Hi,
I'm using vlc with my hdhomerun TV tuner, but vlc has a problem that 
hasn't been fixed for a really long time. Does anyone have a 
recommendation for a similar app I can use for streaming?


I'm really only otherwise familiar with mplayer, but I don't think it 
supports streaming in this way where I can connect it to a socket like I 
can with vlc.


btw, the vlc error involves messages like these:

[7fb3a4001130] ts demux error: libdvbpsi error (PSI decoder): TS 
discontinuity (received 10, expected 9) for PID 112


Thanks,
Alex


Hi Alex,

I could ot stand all the bugs in vlc so I switched to SMPlayer.
I stream music all the time.

Here is my keeper on SMPlayer:

-T


How to install SMPlayer and to get it to work:


Enable RPM Fusion:
https://ostechnix.com/how-to-enable-rpm-fusion-repository-in-fedora-rhel/

Free and non-free all at once:
# dnf install 
https://mirrors.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/rpmfusion-free-release-$(rpm 
-E %fedora).noarch.rpm 
https://mirrors.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/rpmfusion-nonfree-release-$(rpm 
-E %fedora).noarch.rpm


Free
# dnf install 
https://mirrors.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/rpmfusion-free-release-$(rpm 
-E %fedora).noarch.rpm


Non-free
# dnf install 
https://mirrors.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/rpmfusion-nonfree-release-$(rpm 
-E %fedora).noarch.rpm




Codec support (for VLC and smplayer):
   Note: make sure you have RPM Fusion insalled.  See above

https://ostechnix.com/how-to-install-multimedia-codecs-in-fedora-linux/
   # dnf install gstreamer1-plugins-{bad-\*,good-\*,base} 
gstreamer1-plugin-openh264 gstreamer1-libav 
--exclude=gstreamer1-plugins-bad-free-devel


   # dnf install gstreamer1-plugins-{bad-*,good-*,base} 
gstreamer1-plugin-openh264 gstreamer1-libav 
--exclude=gstreamer1-plugins-bad-free-devel


   # dnf install lame* --exclude=lame-devel

   # dnf group upgrade --with-optional Multimedia

   If problem ocure:
  # dnf group upgrade --with-optional --allowerasing Multimedia
  # dnf group upgrade --with-optional --skip-broken Multimedia

   # dnf install gstreamer1-plugins-{bad-\*,good-\*,base} 
gstreamer1-plugin-openh264 gstreamer1-libav 
--exclude=gstreamer1-plugins-bad-free-devel


   # dnf install lame\* --exclude=lame-devel

   # dnf group upgrade --with-optional Multimedia



Install SMPlayer:
   # dnf install smplayer


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Re: vlc alternative?

2023-11-27 Thread Roger Heflin
ffplay is command line and seems to be able play streams.

I think mplayer works for streams but the format of the connection
stream may be odd.

And if you are using an hdhomerun you could just wire it up to mythtv
and let it record the stream(s) and then you watch it a few seconds
behind via mythtv's frontend.   I have 4 (3 still working, need to get
another power unit) hdhomeruns tuners.


On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 12:24 PM Ranjan Maitra via users
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>
> Alex,
>
> I am not sure it does whatever you want, but for streaming youtube and 
> similar videos online, I find mpv to be quite sufficient and good for my 
> needs.
>
> HTH!
>
> Best wishes,
> Ranjan
>
> On Mon Nov27'23 06:46:04PM, Mario Marietto wrote:
> > From: Mario Marietto 
> > Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2023 18:46:04 +0100
> > To: Community support for Fedora users 
> > Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users 
> > Subject: Re: vlc alternative?
> >
> > obs studio ?
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 6:31 PM Alex  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > I'm using vlc with my hdhomerun TV tuner, but vlc has a problem that
> > > hasn't been fixed for a really long time. Does anyone have a 
> > > recommendation
> > > for a similar app I can use for streaming?
> > >
> > > I'm really only otherwise familiar with mplayer, but I don't think it
> > > supports streaming in this way where I can connect it to a socket like I
> > > can with vlc.
> > >
> > > btw, the vlc error involves messages like these:
> > >
> > > [7fb3a4001130] ts demux error: libdvbpsi error (PSI decoder): TS
> > > discontinuity (received 10, expected 9) for PID 112
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Alex
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Re: vlc alternative?

2023-11-27 Thread Ranjan Maitra via users
Alex,

I am not sure it does whatever you want, but for streaming youtube and similar 
videos online, I find mpv to be quite sufficient and good for my needs.

HTH!

Best wishes,
Ranjan

On Mon Nov27'23 06:46:04PM, Mario Marietto wrote:
> From: Mario Marietto 
> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2023 18:46:04 +0100
> To: Community support for Fedora users 
> Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users 
> Subject: Re: vlc alternative?
>
> obs studio ?
>
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 6:31 PM Alex  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I'm using vlc with my hdhomerun TV tuner, but vlc has a problem that
> > hasn't been fixed for a really long time. Does anyone have a recommendation
> > for a similar app I can use for streaming?
> >
> > I'm really only otherwise familiar with mplayer, but I don't think it
> > supports streaming in this way where I can connect it to a socket like I
> > can with vlc.
> >
> > btw, the vlc error involves messages like these:
> >
> > [7fb3a4001130] ts demux error: libdvbpsi error (PSI decoder): TS
> > discontinuity (received 10, expected 9) for PID 112
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Alex
> >
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Re: vlc alternative?

2023-11-27 Thread Mario Marietto
obs studio ?

On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 6:31 PM Alex  wrote:

> Hi,
> I'm using vlc with my hdhomerun TV tuner, but vlc has a problem that
> hasn't been fixed for a really long time. Does anyone have a recommendation
> for a similar app I can use for streaming?
>
> I'm really only otherwise familiar with mplayer, but I don't think it
> supports streaming in this way where I can connect it to a socket like I
> can with vlc.
>
> btw, the vlc error involves messages like these:
>
> [7fb3a4001130] ts demux error: libdvbpsi error (PSI decoder): TS
> discontinuity (received 10, expected 9) for PID 112
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
>
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vlc alternative?

2023-11-27 Thread Alex
Hi,
I'm using vlc with my hdhomerun TV tuner, but vlc has a problem that hasn't
been fixed for a really long time. Does anyone have a recommendation for a
similar app I can use for streaming?

I'm really only otherwise familiar with mplayer, but I don't think it
supports streaming in this way where I can connect it to a socket like I
can with vlc.

btw, the vlc error involves messages like these:

[7fb3a4001130] ts demux error: libdvbpsi error (PSI decoder): TS
discontinuity (received 10, expected 9) for PID 112

Thanks,
Alex
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