Re: Access to Android

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 10/5/18 7:58 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:

Hello,

I am not sure that I should post this message here.
Is there an Android mailing list?

I cannot access to my Android phone via the USB bus.
Actually, I can see it:
ls
/var/run/user/1000/gvfs/mtp\:host\=%5Busb%3A001%2C007%5D
but
a touch provides me:
  '/var/run/user/1000/gvfs/mtp:host=%5Busb%3A001%2C007%5D/test': Permission 
denied

How can I give the right to the internal folder
of my Android?

Thank.


Hi Patrick,

Same thing happens to me.  This is Red Hat dragging their butts
on fixing the issue.

FC28 does not recognize an Android tablet
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1527735

-T
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Re: Access to Android

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On 10/5/18 12:43 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 10/5/18 7:58 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:

Hello,

I am not sure that I should post this message here.
Is there an Android mailing list?

I cannot access to my Android phone via the USB bus.
Actually, I can see it:
ls
/var/run/user/1000/gvfs/mtp\:host\=%5Busb%3A001%2C007%5D
but
a touch provides me:
  '/var/run/user/1000/gvfs/mtp:host=%5Busb%3A001%2C007%5D/test': 
Permission denied


How can I give the right to the internal folder
of my Android?

Thank.


Hi Patrick,

Same thing happens to me.  This is Red Hat dragging their butts
on fixing the issue.

FC28 does not recognize an Android tablet
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1527735

-T


Hi Patrick,

I just saw your add on to 1527735.  Maybe we can
finally get some movement!

-T

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Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

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On 10/20/18 3:17 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:

On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 14:42:20 -0700
stan wrote:


I'm wondering how the people who regularly use fedora-users mailing
list feel about that.


There is already a fedoraforum which I don't use at all because
I despise forums because they are nothing like as useful as mailing lists.


I am signed up for a number of, both professional and personal.  I
never check them.  If the eMail when a reply is off or not functioning,
I never know when someone has replied.  I basically only ask questions,
but never look to see if I can answer a question because they
are so annoying.

With my numerous mailing lists, I can see when something is newly
posted very easily.  And answer if I can help.  It also build
a sense of community the forums do not have.  I start to recognize
names and sometimes chat off line.

The forums only work if you only subscribe to ONE forum and make
it your browser's home page.

The ONLY benefit to a forum is that it cuts down on the hate
posts from trolls.  But, this mailing list handles that quite
nicely, so not an issue.

Younger generation?  Since when does a Linux user use a tablet
to post a question?  Be nice if Fedora ran on tablets but it
doesn't unless you are a YUGE super user.

A forum is a REALLY bad idea.  Usenet is even better, although
you have to work to get your kill file adjusted for each
group due to the hate trolls.

my 2 cents







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Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

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On 10/20/18 3:57 PM, Fulko Hew wrote:



On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 6:35 PM Mike Wright > wrote:


On 10/20/18 3:17 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
 > On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 14:42:20 -0700
 > stan wrote:
 >
 >> I'm wondering how the people who regularly use fedora-users mailing
 >> list feel about that.
 >
 > There is already a fedoraforum which I don't use at all because
 > I despise forums because they are nothing like as useful as
mailing lists.

+1000


I just looked at the Discourse 'demo' site (not the aforementioned 
fedoraforum).

Its not for me either.

+1000


Ya, what both of them said and some more!
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Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

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On 10/21/18 5:19 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 10/21/2018 05:48 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

The forums only work if you only subscribe to ONE forum and make
it your browser's home page.


I'm subscribed to three support forums that I check pretty much daily 
and none of them are my browser's home page.  You may need that constant 
reminder, but most of us don't.


Only three?  I am subscribed to about 40.  It took years.

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Re: Marble problem: libicui18n.so.69

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On 3/10/24 01:53, Barry wrote:




On 10 Mar 2024, at 06:06, ToddAndMargo via users 
 wrote:

root@rn6:/home$ marble
marble: error while loading shared libraries: libicui18n.so.69: cannot open 
shared object file: No such file or directory


Looks like a packaging issue on the surface.

Suggest you report as a bug in fedora bugtracker so
the maintainer can look at it.

Barry


I did:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2268746


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Re: Marble problem: libicui18n.so.69

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On 3/10/24 03:35, Barry Scott wrote:



On 10 Mar 2024, at 06:06, ToddAndMargo via users 
 wrote:


root@rn6:/home$ marble
marble: error while loading shared libraries:libicui18n.so 
<http://libicui18n.so/>.69: cannot open shared object file: No such 
file or directory


I just installed marble on f39 and its works. I have libicu18n.so 
<http://libicu18n.so>.73 on my system.


# dnf whatprovides ibicui18n*
Last metadata expiration check: 14:26:03 ago on Sun 10 Mar 2024 12:19:03 
AM PST.
Error: No matches found. If searching for a file, try specifying the 
full path or using a wildcard prefix ("*/") at the beginning.


# find / -iname ibicui18n\*


Any idea where yours came from?




What are you running? Do you have an alias or another "marble" on your PATH?


No.

# which marble
/usr/bin/marble



Does /usr/bin/marble work?


That is how I got the error message
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Re: Marble problem: libicui18n.so.69

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On 3/10/24 16:17, Samuel Sieb wrote:
You keep dropping the leading "l" from your searches.  The package is 
called "libicu".


ah poop!  Good catch.

# dnf whatprovides libicui18n\* --releasever=39
Last metadata expiration check: 0:40:30 ago on Sun 10 Mar 2024 03:54:32 
PM PDT.


...
libicu-73.2-2.fc39.x86_64 : International Components for Unicode - libraries
Repo: @System
Matched from:
Provide: libicui18n.so.73()(64bit)


and others.


And this is interesting:

# dnf install libicu-73.2-2.fc39.x86_64
Fedora 39 - x86_64   18 kB/s |  24 kB 
00:01
Fedora 39 openh264 (From Cisco) - x86_644.6 kB/s | 989  B 
00:00
Fedora 39 - x86_64 - Updates 33 kB/s |  23 kB 
00:00
RPM Fusion for Fedora 39 - Free 5.7 kB/s | 3.6 kB 
00:00
RPM Fusion for Fedora 39 - Free - Updates   6.6 kB/s | 3.9 kB 
00:00

Package libicu-73.2-2.fc39.x86_64 is already installed.
Dependencies resolved.
Nothing to do.
Complete!


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Re: Marble problem: libicui18n.so.69

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On 3/10/24 16:40, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 3/10/24 16:17, Samuel Sieb wrote:
You keep dropping the leading "l" from your searches.  The package is 
called "libicu".


ah poop!  Good catch.

# dnf whatprovides libicui18n\* --releasever=39
Last metadata expiration check: 0:40:30 ago on Sun 10 Mar 2024 03:54:32 
PM PDT.


...
libicu-73.2-2.fc39.x86_64 : International Components for Unicode - 
libraries

Repo    : @System
Matched from:
Provide    : libicui18n.so.73()(64bit)


and others.


And this is interesting:

# dnf install libicu-73.2-2.fc39.x86_64
Fedora 39 - x86_64   18 kB/s |  24 kB 00:01
Fedora 39 openh264 (From Cisco) - x86_64    4.6 kB/s | 989  B 00:00
Fedora 39 - x86_64 - Updates 33 kB/s |  23 kB 00:00
RPM Fusion for Fedora 39 - Free 5.7 kB/s | 3.6 kB 00:00
RPM Fusion for Fedora 39 - Free - Updates   6.6 kB/s | 3.9 kB 00:00
Package libicu-73.2-2.fc39.x86_64 is already installed.
Dependencies resolved.
Nothing to do.
Complete!



And with the "l":
# find / -iname libicui18n\*
find: ‘/run/user/500/doc’: Permission denied
find: ‘/run/user/500/gvfs’: Permission denied
/usr/lib/libicui18n.so.73.2
/usr/lib/libicui18n.so.73
/usr/lib64/libicui18n.so
/usr/lib64/libicui18n.so.73.2
/usr/lib64/libicui18n.so.73
/home/tony/.dropbox-dist/dropbox-lnx.x86_64-84.4.170/libicui18n.so.42
/opt/libreoffice7.6/program/libicui18n.so.73
/opt/onlyoffice/desktopeditors/libicui18n.so.52


# ln -s /usr/lib/libicui18n.so.73 /usr/lib/libicui18n.so.69

#  ls -al /usr/lib/libicui18n.so.73
lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 18 Jul 19  2023 /usr/lib/libicui18n.so.73 -> 
libicui18n.so.73.2


$ marble
marble: error while loading shared libraries: libicui18n.so.69: cannot 
open shared object file: No such file or directory




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Re: Marble problem: libicui18n.so.69

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On 3/10/24 16:52, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 3/10/24 16:40, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

And this is interesting:

# dnf install libicu-73.2-2.fc39.x86_64
Fedora 39 - x86_64   18 kB/s |  24 kB 00:01
Fedora 39 openh264 (From Cisco) - x86_64    4.6 kB/s | 989  B 00:00
Fedora 39 - x86_64 - Updates 33 kB/s |  23 kB 00:00
RPM Fusion for Fedora 39 - Free 5.7 kB/s | 3.6 kB 00:00
RPM Fusion for Fedora 39 - Free - Updates   6.6 kB/s | 3.9 kB 00:00
Package libicu-73.2-2.fc39.x86_64 is already installed.
Dependencies resolved.
Nothing to do.
Complete!


Yes, this is why it isn't working.  You have (I assume) a qt5 package 
that is linked with a previous version and somehow wasn't updated when 
libicu was.


# rpm -qa qt*
qt-common-4.8.7-74.fc39.noarch
qt-4.8.7-74.fc39.x86_64
qt-x11-4.8.7-74.fc39.x86_64
qtkeychain-qt5-0.13.2-5.fc39.x86_64
qtlockedfile-qt5-2.4-39.20150629git5a07df5.fc39.x86_64
qtsingleapplication-qt5-2.6.1-46.fc39.x86_64
qt-settings-39.1-1.fc39.noarch
qt5-qttools-common-5.15.12-1.fc39.noarch
qt5-qtserialport-5.15.12-1.fc39.x86_64
qt5-qtspeech-5.15.12-1.fc39.x86_64
qt5-qtspeech-speechd-5.15.12-1.fc39.x86_64
qt5-qtwebsockets-5.15.12-1.fc39.x86_64
qt5-qttranslations-5.15.12-1.fc39.noarch
qt5-qtwayland-5.15.12-2.fc39.x86_64
qt5-qtx11extras-5.15.12-1.fc39.x86_64
qt5-qtdeclarative-5.15.12-1.fc39.x86_64
qt5-qttools-libs-designer-5.15.12-1.fc39.x86_64
qt5-qtlocation-5.15.12-1.fc39.x86_64
qt5-qtwebchannel-5.15.12-1.fc39.x86_64
qt5-qtsensors-5.15.12-1.fc39.x86_64
qt5-qtxmlpatterns-5.15.12-1.fc39.x86_64
qt5-qtsvg-5.15.12-1.fc39.x86_64
qt5-qttools-libs-designercomponents-5.15.12-1.fc39.x86_64
qt5-designer-5.15.12-1.fc39.x86_64
qt5-qtconnectivity-5.15.12-1.fc39.x86_64
qt5-qtgraphicaleffects-5.15.12-1.fc39.x86_64
qt5-qtquickcontrols2-5.15.12-1.fc39.x86_64
qt5-qtmultimedia-5.15.12-1.fc39.x86_64
qt5-qtscript-5.15.12-1.fc39.x86_64
qt5-qttools-libs-help-5.15.12-1.fc39.x86_64
qt5-qtwebkit-5.212.0-0.80alpha4.fc39.x86_64
qt5-qtquickcontrols-5.15.12-1.fc39.x86_64
qt5-qtimageformats-5.15.12-1.fc39.x86_64
qt5-srpm-macros-5.15.12-1.fc39.noarch
qt5-qtwebengine-5.15.16-1.fc39.x86_64
qt5-qtbase-common-5.15.12-5.fc39.noarch
qt5-qtbase-5.15.12-5.fc39.x86_64
qt5-qtbase-gui-5.15.12-5.fc39.x86_64
qt5-qtbase-mysql-5.15.12-5.fc39.x86_64
qt5-qtbase-5.15.12-5.fc39.i686
qt6-qtbase-common-6.6.2-1.fc39.noarch
qt6-qtbase-6.6.2-1.fc39.x86_64
qt6-qttranslations-6.6.2-1.fc39.noarch
qt6-qtdeclarative-6.6.2-1.fc39.x86_64
qt6-qtwayland-6.6.2-1.fc39.x86_64
qt6-qtbase-gui-6.6.2-1.fc39.x86_64
qt6-qtsvg-6.6.2-1.fc39.x86_64
qt6-srpm-macros-6.6.2-1.fc39.noarch

# rpm -qa qt* | grep -v fc39


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Re: Marble problem: libicui18n.so.69

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On 3/10/24 19:18, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 3/10/24 18:39, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 3/10/24 16:52, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 3/10/24 16:40, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

And this is interesting:

# dnf install libicu-73.2-2.fc39.x86_64
Fedora 39 - x86_64   18 kB/s |  24 kB 00:01
Fedora 39 openh264 (From Cisco) - x86_64    4.6 kB/s | 989  B 00:00
Fedora 39 - x86_64 - Updates 33 kB/s |  23 kB 00:00
RPM Fusion for Fedora 39 - Free 5.7 kB/s | 3.6 kB 00:00
RPM Fusion for Fedora 39 - Free - Updates   6.6 kB/s | 3.9 kB 00:00
Package libicu-73.2-2.fc39.x86_64 is already installed.
Dependencies resolved.
Nothing to do.
Complete!


Yes, this is why it isn't working.  You have (I assume) a qt5 package 
that is linked with a previous version and somehow wasn't updated 
when libicu was.


# rpm -qa qt* | grep -v fc39



I didn't mean a previous Fedora release.  I meant that something is 
linked against the previous version of libicu.


However, with some investigation, the 69 version was in F37 at the 
latest, so something is strange on your system and is from a previous 
release.  I'm surprised other things aren't breaking.


I am at a loss to figure out who is the culprit.  I will
just have to wait on the bug report
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Re: Marble problem: libicui18n.so.69

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On 3/10/24 20:16, Jerry James wrote:

On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 8:40 PM ToddAndMargo via users
 wrote:

On 3/10/24 19:18, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 3/10/24 18:39, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 3/10/24 16:52, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 3/10/24 16:40, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

And this is interesting:

# dnf install libicu-73.2-2.fc39.x86_64
Fedora 39 - x86_64   18 kB/s |  24 kB 00:01
Fedora 39 openh264 (From Cisco) - x86_644.6 kB/s | 989  B 00:00
Fedora 39 - x86_64 - Updates 33 kB/s |  23 kB 00:00
RPM Fusion for Fedora 39 - Free 5.7 kB/s | 3.6 kB 00:00
RPM Fusion for Fedora 39 - Free - Updates   6.6 kB/s | 3.9 kB 00:00
Package libicu-73.2-2.fc39.x86_64 is already installed.
Dependencies resolved.
Nothing to do.
Complete!


Yes, this is why it isn't working.  You have (I assume) a qt5 package
that is linked with a previous version and somehow wasn't updated
when libicu was.


# rpm -qa qt* | grep -v fc39



I didn't mean a previous Fedora release.  I meant that something is
linked against the previous version of libicu.

However, with some investigation, the 69 version was in F37 at the
latest, so something is strange on your system and is from a previous
release.  I'm surprised other things aren't breaking.


I am at a loss to figure out who is the culprit.  I will
just have to wait on the bug report


Does this show anything?

rpm -q --whatrequires 'libicui18n.so.69()(64bit)'

If not, does this show anything?

grep -Fl 'libicui18n.so.69' /usr/lib64/lib*


# rpm -q --whatrequires 'libicui18n.so.69()(64bit)'
no package requires libicui18n.so.69()(64bit)

# rpm -q --whatrequires libicui18n.so*
no package requires libicui18n.so*

# rpm -q --whatrequires libicui18n.so\*
no package requires libicui18n.so*

# grep -Fl 'libicui18n.so.69' /usr/lib64/lib* 2&>1 | grep -v "Is A 
directory"




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Re: Marble problem: libicui18n.so.69

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On 3/10/24 21:48, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 3/10/24 19:40, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 3/10/24 19:18, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 3/10/24 18:39, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 3/10/24 16:52, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 3/10/24 16:40, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

And this is interesting:

# dnf install libicu-73.2-2.fc39.x86_64
Fedora 39 - x86_64   18 kB/s |  24 kB 
00:01
Fedora 39 openh264 (From Cisco) - x86_64    4.6 kB/s | 989  B 
00:00
Fedora 39 - x86_64 - Updates 33 kB/s |  23 kB 
00:00
RPM Fusion for Fedora 39 - Free 5.7 kB/s | 3.6 kB 
00:00
RPM Fusion for Fedora 39 - Free - Updates   6.6 kB/s | 3.9 kB 
00:00

Package libicu-73.2-2.fc39.x86_64 is already installed.
Dependencies resolved.
Nothing to do.
Complete!


Yes, this is why it isn't working.  You have (I assume) a qt5 
package that is linked with a previous version and somehow wasn't 
updated when libicu was.


# rpm -qa qt* | grep -v fc39



I didn't mean a previous Fedora release.  I meant that something is 
linked against the previous version of libicu.


However, with some investigation, the 69 version was in F37 at the 
latest, so something is strange on your system and is from a previous 
release.  I'm surprised other things aren't breaking.


I am at a loss to figure out who is the culprit.  I will
just have to wait on the bug report


I doubt the bug report will come up with anything since this is 
something very specific to your system.  Do you have any packages from 
fc37?  Do you have any locked packages?  Have you installed any 
self-built packages?


Does "rpm -qf /lib64/*\.so* | grep owned" give you anything?
Mine only shows "p11-kit-trust.so".


 rpm -qf /lib64/*\.so* | grep owned
file /lib64/ld-lsb-x86-64.so is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libavahi-gobject.so.0 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libavahi-gobject.so.0.0.5 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libFAudio.so.0.22.10 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libfreeaptx.so.0 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libfreeaptx.so.0.1.1 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libfzclient-commonui-private-3.66.0.so is not owned by any 
package

file /lib64/libfzclient-private-3.66.0.so is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libgdal.so.33.3.7.2 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libgovirt.so.2 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libgovirt.so.2.3.1 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libhpdiscovery.so.0 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libhpdiscovery.so.0.0.1 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libhpipp.so.0 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libhpipp.so.0.0.1 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libhpip.so.0 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libhpip.so.0.0.1 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libhpmud.so.0 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libhpmud.so.0.0.6 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libnetsnmp.so.40.1.0 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libopenfec.so.1 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libopenfec.so.1.4.2 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libopensc.so.8 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libopensc.so.8.0.0 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libpipewire-0.3.so.0.361.0 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libpipewire-0.3.so.0.372.0 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libroc.so.0 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libroc.so.0.2 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libSDL2_image-2.0.so.0.600.1 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libsmm-local.so.8 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libsmm-local.so.8.0.0 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/onepin-opensc-pkcs11.so is not owned by any package
file /lib64/opensc-pkcs11.so is not owned by any package
file /lib64/p11-kit-trust.so is not owned by any package
file /lib64/pkcs11-spy.so is not owned by any package




Anything in "ls /usr/local/lib*"?


# ls /usr/local/lib*
/usr/local/lib:

/usr/local/lib64:
bpf  gems  perl5

/usr/local/libexec:




What does "ldd /bin/marble | grep libicu" show?


# ldd /bin/marble | grep libic
libicui18n.so.73 => /lib64/libicui18n.so.73 (0x7fdf3960)
libicuuc.so.73 => /lib64/libicuuc.so.73 (0x7fdf3920)
libicudata.so.73 => /lib64/libicudata.so.73 (0x7fdf2e00)
libicui18n.so.69 => not found
libicuuc.so.69 => not found
libicudata.so.69 => not found
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Re: Marble problem: libicui18n.so.69

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 3/10/24 22:54, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 3/10/24 22:28, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 3/10/24 21:48, Samuel Sieb wrote:
I doubt the bug report will come up with anything since this is 
something very specific to your system.  



Do you have any packages 
from fc37?  


# rpm -qa | grep -i fc37



Do you have any locked packages?

I do not kow how to do that, so I'd have to say "no".


Have you installed any self-built packages?


No.  Amd it really annoys the Wine fplks that I insist obn
only using the wine builds from our repo.


You didn't answer these questions.


# rpm -qa | grep -i fc37


# rpm -qa | grep -i fc | grep -iv fc39
gpg-pubkey-cfc659b9-5b6eac67
bitstream-vera-sans-fonts-1.10-48.fc38.noarch
netcdf-4.9.0-5.fc38.x86_64
kernel-modules-core-6.5.10-200.fc38.x86_64
kernel-core-6.5.10-200.fc38.x86_64
kernel-modules-6.5.10-200.fc38.x86_64
kernel-6.5.10-200.fc38.x86_64
kernel-modules-extra-6.5.10-200.fc38.x86_64
kernel-devel-6.5.10-200.fc38.x86_64




Does "rpm -qf /lib64/*\.so* | grep owned" give you anything?
Mine only shows "p11-kit-trust.so".


  rpm -qf /lib64/*\.so* | grep owned
file /lib64/ld-lsb-x86-64.so is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libavahi-gobject.so.0 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libavahi-gobject.so.0.0.5 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libFAudio.so.0.22.10 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libfreeaptx.so.0 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libfreeaptx.so.0.1.1 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libfzclient-commonui-private-3.66.0.so is not owned by any 
package

file /lib64/libfzclient-private-3.66.0.so is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libgdal.so.33.3.7.2 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libgovirt.so.2 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libgovirt.so.2.3.1 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libhpdiscovery.so.0 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libhpdiscovery.so.0.0.1 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libhpipp.so.0 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libhpipp.so.0.0.1 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libhpip.so.0 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libhpip.so.0.0.1 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libhpmud.so.0 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libhpmud.so.0.0.6 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libnetsnmp.so.40.1.0 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libopenfec.so.1 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libopenfec.so.1.4.2 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libopensc.so.8 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libopensc.so.8.0.0 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libpipewire-0.3.so.0.361.0 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libpipewire-0.3.so.0.372.0 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libroc.so.0 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libroc.so.0.2 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libSDL2_image-2.0.so.0.600.1 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libsmm-local.so.8 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/libsmm-local.so.8.0.0 is not owned by any package
file /lib64/onepin-opensc-pkcs11.so is not owned by any package
file /lib64/opensc-pkcs11.so is not owned by any package
file /lib64/p11-kit-trust.so is not owned by any package
file /lib64/pkcs11-spy.so is not owned by any package


You probably need to get rid of these.  Check the dates on the files with:
ls -l $(rpm -qf /lib64/*\.so* | grep owned | cut -d' ' -f2)


I am thinking of moving them to a tempt directory and seeing
if anything complains


What does "ldd /bin/marble | grep libicu" show?


# ldd /bin/marble | grep libic
 libicui18n.so.73 => /lib64/libicui18n.so.73 (0x7fdf3960)
 libicuuc.so.73 => /lib64/libicuuc.so.73 (0x7fdf3920)
 libicudata.so.73 => /lib64/libicudata.so.73 (0x7fdf2e00)
 libicui18n.so.69 => not found
 libicuuc.so.69 => not found
 libicudata.so.69 => not found


Ok, then show the whole output of "ldd /bin/marble".


# find / -iname libicui18n.so.69\*


# ldd /bin/marble | grep -i libicui
libicui18n.so.73 => /lib64/libicui18n.so.73 (0x7f93f700)
libicui18n.so.69 => not found

# ldd /bin/marble | sort
/bin/marble: /lib64/libQt5Gui.so.5: version `Qt_5.15.3_PRIVATE_API' not 
found (required by 
/usr/lib64/qt5-qtwebengine-freeworld/libQt5WebEngineCore.so.5)

/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x7f1d3b6bf000)
libacl.so.1 => /lib64/libacl.so.1 (0x7f1d37d4e000)
libasound.so.2 => /lib64/libasound.so.2 (0x7f1d2bf46000)
libastro.so.1 => /lib64/libastro.so.1 (0x7f1d3a7bd000)
libasyncns.so.0 => /lib64/libasyncns.so.0 (0x7f1d2b845000)
libattr.so.1 => /lib64/libattr.so.1 (0x7f1d2bdcd000)
libblkid.so.1 => /lib64/libblkid.so.1 (0x7f1d2bd91000)
libbrotlicommon.so.1 => /lib64/libbrotlicommon.so.1 (0x7f1d2b6b5000)
libbrotlidec.so.1 => /lib64/libbrotlidec.so.1 (0x7f1d2ba5c000)
 

Re: Marble problem: libicui18n.so.69

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 3/11/24 00:37, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 3/11/24 00:12, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

# ldd /bin/marble | sort
/bin/marble: /lib64/libQt5Gui.so.5: version `Qt_5.15.3_PRIVATE_API' 
not found (required by 
/usr/lib64/qt5-qtwebengine-freeworld/libQt5WebEngineCore.so.5)

 libicudata.so.69 => not found
 libicui18n.so.69 => not found
 libicuuc.so.69 => not found
 libvpx.so.7 => not found


This looks like a big clue and it's still pointing to F36 or F37.
Run the following:
rpm -qf /usr/lib64/qt5-qtwebengine-freeworld/libQt5WebEngineCore.so.5
rpm -qi qt5-qtwebengine-freeworld



# rpm -qf /usr/lib64/qt5-qtwebengine-freeworld/libQt5WebEngineCore.so.5
file /usr/lib64/qt5-qtwebengine-freeworld/libQt5WebEngineCore.so.5 is 
not owned by any package


# rpm -qi qt5-qtwebengine-freeworld
package qt5-qtwebengine-freeworld is not installed

# mv /usr/lib64/qt5-qtwebengine-freeworld/libQt5WebEngineCore.so.5 
/usr/lib64/qt5-qtwebengine-freeworld/libQt5WebEngineCore.so.5.000


$ marble
KCrash: Application 'marble' crashing...
Segmentation fault (core dumped)

I put it back


And:
   # dnf install qt5-qtwebengine-freeworld

fixed the issue.  Yippee!  Thank you all for all
the help!

-T
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Xfce and Fedora40 for ARM

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Hi All,

I noticed this over on Xfce's Fedora 40 download page:
https://fedoraproject.org/spins/xfce/download

Seems they have a ARM version.
https://imgur.com/inUFui5.png

Any computers/tablets for that to go on?

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Keyboard dead with anydesk logon

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Hi All,

Fedora 39
anydesk-6.3.2-1.el7.x86_64
lightdm-1.32.0-7.fc39.x86_64

Any idea why the keyboard and the onscreen keyboard
wont let me type my password into lightdm's password
prompt.

https://imgur.com/3AUrKOS.png

Anydesk told me to reboot.  Did not work.

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Re: Keyboard dead with anydesk logon

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On 4/24/24 23:41, Jon LaBadie wrote:

The password field accepted no input.  If I used mouse
to select different user I could login as that user.
Or I could just click back to my id and the password
field was working.


Unfortunatly, I tried other users.  No joy
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Live USB extra space

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Hi All,

I "Finally" have a customer interested in Fedora.  I
talked him into letting me spin a Live USB flash drive
for him to play with before we jump ahead.

Question:  Is there a way to use the extra space on the
drive to install a few more programs for him to experiment
with?

Many thanks,
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Re: Live USB extra space

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On 4/28/24 01:51, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Sat, 2024-04-27 at 21:21 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Hi All,

I "Finally" have a customer interested in Fedora.  I
talked him into letting me spin a Live USB flash drive
for him to play with before we jump ahead.

Question:  Is there a way to use the extra space on the
drive to install a few more programs for him to experiment
with?


Can't you you install them on the running system?

poc


No.  The customer wants to play with it to see if he
want to ditch Windows 11 or not.  If he likes Fedora,
then yes.
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Re: Live USB extra space

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On 4/28/24 15:04, Michael Hennebry wrote:

If you are really makking the spin yourself,


I am just downloading it

https://fedoraproject.org/spins/mate/


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can I clone from a usb flash drive to an NVMe drive?

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Hi All,

I am making up a USB flash from of Fedroa 40 MATE for
a customer to play with.

If he likes it, can I clonezilla clone it over
to his brand new NVMe drive (gpart it to expand
the extents)?

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Re: can I clone from a usb flash drive to an NVMe drive?

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On 5/2/24 23:34, Todd Chester via users wrote:



On 4/29/24 17:27, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Hi All,

I am making up a USB flash from of Fedroa 40 MATE for
a customer to play with.

If he likes it, can I clonezilla clone it over
to his brand new NVMe drive (gpart it to expand
the extents)?

-T


It worked !


Here is the weird thing.  I created a full install of FC40 MATE
on a 32 GB stick.  Put a bunch of cool programs on it.  Went to
boot it on the customer's machine and oh holy ...  The bios
was so screwed up that I could only get it to boot once.  After
that, if the stick was at the top of the boot order, I just
got a flashing cursor.  If I removed the stick, got a blank
screen.  It did not roll over to the next in boot order
(W11).   H

The customer came up with an idea.  He has a laptop from
his business that was given to him when he retired.  He
wanted nothing on the laptop.  So in with the stick and
perfect boot.  NO fussing with the BIOS.  Then back down
and in with Clonzilla.  Did a clone over with k2 fill
space and rescue option.  And a perfect clone and all the
space was used with the primary partition.

Will wonder ever cease.

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Re: F40 Live image boot failure

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On 5/3/24 15:42, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
With all the talk of Wayland, I followed up on the idea of downloading 
an F40 Live image and seeing if it boots on my existing hardware.


Well, it did boot on two out of three laptops that are currently running 
F39.


On a 2013-era Thinkpad W520 it immediately fails with a:

error: ../../grub-core/disk/efi/efidisk.c:531:invalid buffer alignment
-1112264040
error: ../../grub-core/loader/i386/efi/linux.c:258:you need to load the 
kernel first.


Press any key to continue...


Although my plans are to use dnf system-upgrade, this looks like a 
kernel issue to me. It is unclear to me whether the issue lies with the 
Fedora Live image, or if there's something on this laptops that just 
blows the kernel from high orbit, whether it'll boot from the USB stick 
or its existing hard drive.


So: would anyone care to put forward an informed opinion?



Try the MATE and XFCe spins and let us know:
https://fedoraproject.org/spins/

MATE is a little bit easier to use

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Re: F40 Live image boot failure

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On 5/3/24 17:24, Sam Varshavchik wrote:

ToddAndMargo via users writes:


On 5/3/24 15:42, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
With all the talk of Wayland, I followed up on the idea of 
downloading an F40 Live image and seeing if it boots on my existing 
hardware.


Well, it did boot on two out of three laptops that are currently 
running F39.


On a 2013-era Thinkpad W520 it immediately fails with a:

error: ../../grub-core/disk/efi/efidisk.c:531:invalid buffer alignment
-1112264040
error: ../../grub-core/loader/i386/efi/linux.c:258:you need to load 
the kernel first.


Press any key to continue...


Although my plans are to use dnf system-upgrade, this looks like a 
kernel issue to me. It is unclear to me whether the issue lies with 
the Fedora Live image, or if there's something on this laptops that 
just blows the kernel from high orbit, whether it'll boot from the 
USB stick or its existing hard drive.


So: would anyone care to put forward an informed opinion?



Try the MATE and XFCe spins and let us know:
https://fedoraproject.org/spins/


That was an XFCE spin Live CD, actually


I use XFCE myself, but go for MATE for new/low
skill users.

This could very well be a BIOS issue.  I hate
those and firmware updates go foobar a lot,
bricking the motherboard.
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Re: F40 Live image boot failure

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On 5/3/24 18:28, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 5/3/24 17:24, Sam Varshavchik wrote:

ToddAndMargo via users writes:


On 5/3/24 15:42, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
With all the talk of Wayland, I followed up on the idea of 
downloading an F40 Live image and seeing if it boots on my existing 
hardware.


Well, it did boot on two out of three laptops that are currently 
running F39.


On a 2013-era Thinkpad W520 it immediately fails with a:

error: ../../grub-core/disk/efi/efidisk.c:531:invalid buffer alignment
-1112264040
error: ../../grub-core/loader/i386/efi/linux.c:258:you need to load 
the kernel first.


Press any key to continue...


Although my plans are to use dnf system-upgrade, this looks like a 
kernel issue to me. It is unclear to me whether the issue lies with 
the Fedora Live image, or if there's something on this laptops that 
just blows the kernel from high orbit, whether it'll boot from the 
USB stick or its existing hard drive.


So: would anyone care to put forward an informed opinion?



Try the MATE and XFCe spins and let us know:
https://fedoraproject.org/spins/


That was an XFCE spin Live CD, actually


I use XFCE myself, but go for MATE for new/low
skill users.

This could very well be a BIOS issue.  I hate
those and firmware updates go foobar a lot,
bricking the motherboard.


Try popping the BIOS into LEGACY boot

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OT: live spins for RHEL and/or CentOS?

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Hi All,

Please forgive a bit off topic.

AnyDesk is having issue with light DM under Fedora 38 -  40.
The keyboard becomes inactive (probably sent somewhere else).
AnyDesk works fine if the user is already logged into to
his GUI.

AnyDesk support won't help as they do not support Fedora.
They only support RHEL and CentOS.  (Telling them RHEL
is based on prior versions fall on deaf ears.)

SO I am having trouble finding an XFCE or MATE spin
of either RHEL or CentOS to install in a Virtual Machine
to get them to support me and take the issue.

But I can't find such a spin.

Any ideas?

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Re: OT: live spins for RHEL and/or CentOS?

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On 5/10/24 05:27, simmon simmon wrote:

HI..

Since there is a part related to fedora,

I use anydesk on Fedora and it works well. I have used it by applying it in 
KDE. Of course, you have to manually install the rpm applied in c7 rpm source. 
It is compatible with the Rehel with Fedora.

root@max:/home/simmon/다운로드# rpm -Uvh anydesk-6.0.1-1.el7.x86_64.rpm
경고: anydesk-6.0.1-1.el7.x86_64.rpm: 헤더 V3 RSA/SHA1 Signature, 키 ID cdffde29: 
NOKEY
확인... # [100%]
준비 중... # [100%]
최신화 / 설치하기...
1:anydesk-6.0.1-1.el7  # [100%]
Created symlink /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/anydesk.service → 
/etc/systemd/system/anydesk.service.
Redirecting to /bin/systemctl start anydesk.service
root@max:/home/simmon/다운로드# uname -ar
Linux max 6.8.8-300.fc40.x86_64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Sat Apr 27 17:53:31 UTC 
2024 x86_64 GNU/Linux

It works well in the form above. However, you must be careful about security.

by simmon


I do the same thing.  I use rhel's rpm too.  It
works awesome.

What I need is an officially supported centos or
rhel live spin so I can force their tech support
to help with the lightdm issue.
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Re: OT: live spins for RHEL and/or CentOS?

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On 5/10/24 06:03, simmon simmon wrote:

We need to find out what exactly is causing the lightdm problem, but for now I 
like lightm and am running KDE through that gui.

Official support or technical support for anydesk seems to be a bit different 
in this area.

Have a fun!


I have the consultant side on FC39 and the cusotmer side
on FC40.

I can log on if the customer is already logged in.  I
can not if he is not (with unattended support) with
lightdm.  The keyboard does not operate until
AnyDesk is cancelled.

Can yo log out and still log back inain lightdm
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statistics on Fedora and RHEL usage

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Hi All,

Anyone know of a source that gives the number of
users of Fedora vs CentOS vs RHEL?

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Re: statistics on Fedora and RHEL usage

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On 5/11/24 11:26, George N. White III wrote:
On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 11:58 AM ToddAndMargo via users 
mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org>> 
wrote:


Hi All,

Anyone know of a source that gives the number of
users of Fedora vs CentOS vs RHEL?


Anyone can make up numbers.  There may be good numbers for RHEL
installations, but not numbers of users (at my former work lots of people
had RHEL logins that were rarely used, e.g. updates to a database).  For
CentOS and Fedora there can be large numbers of "managed" workstations
in a cubicle farm with very little visibility into the OS being used 
outside the

enterprise.

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Hi George,

I am looking for evidence as to why AnyDesk should
start officially supporting Fedora.  They already
support RHEL and CentOS (I use RHEL's RPM), so it
would not be much of a leap.

-T
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Re: statistics on Fedora and RHEL usage

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On 5/12/24 03:36, George N. White III wrote:

Fedora has a higher percentage of
new to linux users


Do you know what those numbers are?

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Re: statistics on Fedora and RHEL usage

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On 5/12/24 06:22, Michael D. Setzer II wrote:

Watching thread, and wondering why you are looking at AnyDesk
if they don't want to support Fedora? Not sure if they have a
special feature you are looking at? Haven't used that Program at
all, but seems to be a remote desktop program.

I've used TightVNC, TigerVNC, and currently using TurboVNC.

TigerVNC is the somewhat default version for Fedora, but I've
currently had good results with the TurboVNC with the XFCE
desktop myself.



Hi Michael,

I am providing remote support for many of my customers.
They are mostly Windows users.  I wish I had more
Linux customers, but it is what it is.  I would not
have a job if not for Windows poor quality.

I first used Go To Assist, but dropped them for their lack
of Linux support and ignoring bug and enhancement reports.
I also did not care for having to run it out of a Windows
virtual machine.

I looked at Team Viewer, but they are very, very expensive
and "Woke" as well, which means they are no longer hiring
based on merit and their product(s) will/are deteriorating
because of it.

The reason for AnyDesk and such is that it get around
firewalls/routers.  If a customer calls, there is no way
I would be able to coach then through installing a port
forward on their firewall/router which are required
for the various VNC's.  I am lucky if most of my customers
know how to use their keyboards. (I still have to assist
them with finding the "Win" and "Esc" keys.  Sometimes
even the "Enter" key.)

I landed on Any desk because it is reasonably priced,
supports Linux, is quite snappy (fast), is able to get around
several technical problems with Go To Assist, their
tech support is responsive, they take bug reports.

Although, if the report is specifically Fedora, the
second tier sends you back their supported linux spins.
They support CentOS and RHEL.  So I am currently
installing a Virtual Machine of CentOS to reproduce
any issues, so second tier can not weasel out of it.

Any Desk's RHEL rpm works rather well (except for the
lightdm issue) in Fedora and certainly gets around a
ton of issues that Go To Assist plagued me with.
AnyDesk's Multi Factor Authentication is rather easy
to set up too.  I prefer Red Hat's FreeOTP (Cell phones)
and Fedora's Keysmith for such.

-T


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Re: statistics on Fedora and RHEL usage

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On 5/13/24 01:29, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
We used to run Red Hat and CentOS web servers. We had to migrate away 
from them due to their antique software. Some (many?) enterprises may 
like the fact that the platform has 10 or 15 year old software so their 
20 year old web apps don't need to be refreshed. And trying to get 
updated software via Software Collection (SCL) knows it is the pits.


But we found the antique software too limiting. We could not even run 
modern MediaWiki software on our Red Hat and CentOS web servers. We use 
Fedora server nowadays. We get the latest versions of packages carried 
by the distro, and we get SElinux. And it runs a modern LAMPs stack.


And we avoid the antique software and its unknown and unfixed bugs. 
Hacking teams love that old software that is no longer being maintained. 
It means their exploits will usually work forever.


Jeff


Hi Jeff

That was very well stated.   About 10 years ago, I was
configuring a Linux server with CentOS for a customer.
To test all the hardware, I booted into the Live USB
tick I used to install the server.  It worked perfectly.
After installing, native would only work every 5 or
more boots.  What ??? Back in with the live USB.  Booted
perfectly every time.   The USB stick was slower.  It
was a timing issue.  Red Hat refused to fix it as
I was not a subscriber.

Out of desperation, I switched to Fedora.  It worked
perfectly.

Then I switched my office over to Fedora.  Everything that
did not work or worked poorly was fixed.  Well a few things
did not and I reported them, Fedora fixed the post haste.
I was in Linux heaven.  I still get the giggles every
time I boot up.  After the  S-T-R-E-S-S  of CentOS, I absolute
ADORE Fedora!

The thing about antique software, like RHEL and friends, is
that it is being used as an appliance, such as
a toaster or a microwave oven.  Set and forget.
Kaisen it is not.

Kaisen: continuously improve
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaizen

And if you want an "appliance", you can do that with ANY OS.
Just get you stuff going, lock it down.  Shut off all updates,
set and forget.  It is a much more reasonable way to do
an appliance rather than hope some defunct system will
actually work with your software.

A Windows colleague told me about an XP installation
he uses for some surveillance thing.  He minimized
it, took it off the network, installed just his
software.  Set and forget.  He has not rebooted
in years.  (For those of you not familiar with
Windows, it needs to be reboot about every three
days or it goes slowly screwy.  Windows is awful quality.)

-T
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Re: statistics on Fedora and RHEL usage

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On 5/13/24 05:22, Michael D. Setzer II wrote:

A quick note. There is a reverse VNC option with VNC that uses
port 5500 (I believe). Been a while since I used it. It is a kind of
reverse VNC. In which the client makes the connection to your
host. So, it doesn't require the port mapping.



That is fascinating.  It would require an change in my iptables
to let its unestablished packets through.

One of the other things I like about remote assistance
software is that I can doodle on the screen.  I love to
make a YUGE red arrow to what they say does not exist
on their screens.  I love to hear them say "oh".

A lot of what I do is teaching and Any Desk really
helps with that.


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Can an vsFTP server get swamped?

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Hi All,

I have a customer with four Windows workstations that
backup with Cobian Reflector to a local Fedora vsFTP server

vsftpd-3.0.5-6.fc40.x86_64

Every so often, Cobian errors out with:

ERR 2024-05-12 21:38:58 An error occurred while uploading the file 
"C:\Users\accounting\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\boteqaxu.default-1441211636453\storage\default\https+++shop.nordstrom.com\cache\morgue\44\{a7c30849-26e1-400f-9127-3cc779dc912c}.final" 
to "/MyDocsBackup/backup1/Mozilla 2024-05-12 21;31;27 
(Full)/Firefox/Profiles/boteqaxu.default-1441211636453/storage/default/https+++shop.nordstrom.com/cache/morgue/44": 
Only one usage of each socket address (protocol/network address/port) is 
normally permitted 192.168.202.10:10098



But if I re-run the task, it goes through without issue.

By chance if several of the workstations start backing
up at the same time, can the vsFTP server get swamped?

Is there a way to increase vsFTP's sockets?
P
Many thanks,
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nmcli -d ??

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Hi All,

In CentOS 8, I have the following command:

  # nmcli -d
  example output:
 DEVICE  TYPE  STATE CONNECTION
 ens3ethernet  disconnected  ens3
 lo  loopback  unmanaged ---

But under Fedora 39, the same command gives me

  # nmcli -d
  Error: Option '-d' is unknown, try 'nmcli -help'.

I really like the output that CentOS gives.  Is
there a way to get it back?  Not finding anything
under --help or search.brave.com

Many thanks,
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Re: nmcli -d ??

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On 5/17/24 03:54, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Hi All,

In CentOS 8, I have the following command:

   # nmcli -d
   example output:
  DEVICE  TYPE  STATE CONNECTION
  ens3    ethernet  disconnected  ens3
  lo  loopback  unmanaged ---

But under Fedora 39, the same command gives me

   # nmcli -d
   Error: Option '-d' is unknown, try 'nmcli -help'.

I really like the output that CentOS gives.  Is
there a way to get it back?  Not finding anything
under --help or search.brave.com

Many thanks,
-T


Never mind.  I just figured it out:

# nmcli device
DEVICE  TYPE  STATE   CONNECTION
eno2ethernet  connected   Wired connection 2
lo  loopback  connected (externally)  lo
br0 bridgeconnected   bridge-br0
eno1ethernet  unavailable --
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vdagent drag and drop question

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Hi All,

Host:
   Fedora 39
   $ rpm -qa spice\*
   spice-server-0.15.1-3.fc39.x86_64
   spice-glib-0.42-3.fc39.x86_64
   spice-gtk3-0.42-3.fc39.x86_64
   spice-vdagent-0.22.1-6.fc39.x86_64

VM:
   Windows 11 23H2
   Virtio-win-driver-installer 0.1.240
   Virtio-win-guest-tools  0.1.240

I can drag and drop a file from my Linux host to a
qemu-kvm Windows 11 virtual machine but I can not
do it in reverse

What am I doing wrong, this time?

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Re: vdagent drag and drop question

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On 5/21/24 17:54, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Hi All,

Host:
    Fedora 39
    $ rpm -qa spice\*
    spice-server-0.15.1-3.fc39.x86_64
    spice-glib-0.42-3.fc39.x86_64
    spice-gtk3-0.42-3.fc39.x86_64
    spice-vdagent-0.22.1-6.fc39.x86_64

VM:
    Windows 11 23H2
    Virtio-win-driver-installer 0.1.240
    Virtio-win-guest-tools  0.1.240

I can drag and drop a file from my Linux host to a
qemu-kvm Windows 11 virtual machine but I can not
do it in reverse

What am I doing wrong, this time?

-T


The word back from Spice Dev is:

  From Guest to Client, drag-and-drop does
  not work.  From Client to Guest, it should.
  The data of the file is copied by the client
  (e.g: spice-gtk) and provided to the guest
  agent which creates the file with the
  contents.

And is you want directory sharing, use virtiofs
  https://libvirt.org/kbase/virtiofs.html

I am working on getting virtiofs going.  Be
nice to get away from always having to use Samba.
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MariaDB?

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Hi All,

As far as I know, I am not using MySQL, now
replaced with MariaDB on my system.  Do I need
it for anything?

# dnf remove mariadb
Dependencies resolved.

 Package   Arch Version 
Repository  Size


Removing:
 mariadb   x86_64   3:10.5.23-1.fc39   @updates 
   18 M

Removing dependent packages:
 kf5-akonadi-server-mysql  x86_64   23.08.5-2.fc39 @updates 
  3.2 k
 mariadb-backupx86_64   3:10.5.23-1.fc39   @updates 
   24 M
 mariadb-gssapi-server x86_64   3:10.5.23-1.fc39   @updates 
   20 k
 mariadb-rocksdb-enginex86_64   3:10.5.23-1.fc39   @updates 
   11 M
 mariadb-serverx86_64   3:10.5.23-1.fc39   @updates 
   69 M
 mariadb-server-utils  x86_64   3:10.5.23-1.fc39   @updates 
  798 k

Removing unused dependencies:
 mariadb-cracklib-password-check   x86_64   3:10.5.23-1.fc39   @updates 
   17 k
 mysql-selinux noarch   1.0.10-1.fc39  @updates 
   49 k
 perl-DBD-MariaDB  x86_64   1.22-6.fc39@fedora 
  376 k


Transaction Summary

Remove  10 Packages

Freed space: 123 M
Is this ok [y/N]:


Many thanks,
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Re: MariaDB?

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Hi All,

As far as I know, I am not using MySQL, now
replaced with MariaDB on my system.  Do I need
it for anything?




On 6/18/24 16:04, bruce wrote:
> You can always reinstall late if required.
>

Done!
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Touch Screen and WiFi cards

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Hi All,

I customer gave me a laptop he inherited to see what
could be done with it.  It works really nicely, so I need
to send him over recommendations.

1) does these really thin laptops have their wifi
cards soldered in or can they be replace?  (I can
usually replace regular laptop WiFi cards.)

I presume Intel's WiFi cards have good Fedora support?

2) does Fedora support touch screens?

Many thanks,
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Re: Touch Screen and WiFi cards

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On 6/21/24 14:13, Sbob wrote:


On 6/21/24 2:55 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Hi All,

I customer gave me a laptop he inherited to see what
could be done with it.  It works really nicely, so I need
to send him over recommendations.

1) does these really thin laptops have their wifi
cards soldered in or can they be replace?  (I can
usually replace regular laptop WiFi cards.)

I presume Intel's WiFi cards have good Fedora support?

2) does Fedora support touch screens?

Many thanks,
-T

Most wifi cards are soldered, but not all of them, I have had several 
Thinkpads that had replace-able wifi cards. I am running Fedora 40 as we 
speak on a Dell XPS 17 with a touch screen, the touch screen works 
flawlessly out of the box


Awesome!   I will just recommend if he does not like the
speed to get a USB WiFi adapter.

Thank you!

-T
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How do I ShareHost Files With KVM

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Hi All,

Fedora 39
qemu-kvm-8.1.3-5.fc39.x86_64
virt-manager-4.1.0-3.fc39.noarch

Windows 11

How do I Share Host Files (Fedora 39) with
Windows 11 (client) with KVM?

I have been reading this virt-manager how to:
https://chrisirwin.ca/posts/sharing-host-files-with-kvm/

He is leaving out how to mount in Windows
and his "Filesystem Passthrough"

https://chrisirwin.ca/posts/sharing-host-files-with-kvm/add-filesystem.png
is a lot different than mine
https://imgur.com/pqPcLo0.png

Anyone have a better howto?
-T


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Re: How do I ShareHost Files With KVM

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On 6/26/24 01:09, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Hi All,

Fedora 39
qemu-kvm-8.1.3-5.fc39.x86_64
virt-manager-4.1.0-3.fc39.noarch

Windows 11

How do I Share Host Files (Fedora 39) with
Windows 11 (client) with KVM?

I have been reading this virt-manager how to:
     https://chrisirwin.ca/posts/sharing-host-files-with-kvm/

He is leaving out how to mount in Windows
and his "Filesystem Passthrough"

https://chrisirwin.ca/posts/sharing-host-files-with-kvm/add-filesystem.png
is a lot different than mine
     https://imgur.com/pqPcLo0.png

Anyone have a better howto?
-T


Found a much better How To:

Share Files Between the KVM Host and Windows Guest Using Virtiofs

https://sysguides.com/share-files-between-the-kvm-host-and-windows-guest-using-virtiofs


And it is working beautifully
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Re: How do I ShareHost Files With KVM

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On 6/27/24 03:25, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 6/26/24 01:09, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Hi All,

Fedora 39
qemu-kvm-8.1.3-5.fc39.x86_64
virt-manager-4.1.0-3.fc39.noarch

Windows 11

How do I Share Host Files (Fedora 39) with
Windows 11 (client) with KVM?

I have been reading this virt-manager how to:
 https://chrisirwin.ca/posts/sharing-host-files-with-kvm/

He is leaving out how to mount in Windows
and his "Filesystem Passthrough"

https://chrisirwin.ca/posts/sharing-host-files-with-kvm/add-filesystem.png
is a lot different than mine
 https://imgur.com/pqPcLo0.png

Anyone have a better howto?
-T


Found a much better How To:

Share Files Between the KVM Host and Windows Guest Using Virtiofs

https://sysguides.com/share-files-between-the-kvm-host-and-windows-guest-using-virtiofs


And it is working beautifully


How to change the mount point from Z to something else:

REGEDIT4

; Change VirtIO-FS's mount point (letter):
; Change the M: below to you desiged letter.  Remember the :

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\VirtIO-FS]
"MountPoint"="M:"


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Re: How do I ShareHost Files With KVM

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On 6/27/24 11:50, Frank Bures wrote:

On 2024-06-27 07:09, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:



How to change the mount point from Z to something else:

REGEDIT4

; Change VirtIO-FS's mount point (letter):
; Change the M: below to you desiged letter.  Remember the :

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\VirtIO-FS]
"MountPoint"="M:"


I followed the instructions at

https://virtio-win.github.io/Knowledge-Base/Virtiofs:-Shared-file-system

to mount two different F40 host file systems from Win11 KVM guest.

However, the mount does not survive guest reboot so I wrote a little 
batch file I have to execute during each guest start.


Is there a different way how to make the mount permanent?

Thanks
Frank




Hi Frank,

Are your mounts cifs or Virtiofs?

If Virtiofs, did you remember to set  "VirtIO-FS Service"
to "Automatic"?

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Re: How do I ShareHost Files With KVM

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On 6/27/24 14:04, Frank Bures wrote:

On 2024-06-27 16:46, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 6/27/24 11:50, Frank Bures wrote:


I followed the instructions at

https://virtio-win.github.io/Knowledge-Base/Virtiofs:-Shared-file-system

to mount two different F40 host file systems from Win11 KVM guest.

However, the mount does not survive guest reboot so I wrote a little 
batch file I have to execute during each guest start.


Is there a different way how to make the mount permanent?

Thanks
Frank




Hi Frank,

Are your mounts cifs or Virtiofs?

If Virtiofs, did you remember to set  "VirtIO-FS Service"
to "Automatic"?


Actually, what you describe relates to single shared fs. In case of 
multiple shared virtual filesystems the VirtioFsSvc is stopped permanently.


The host shares are mounted from the guest using

"C:\Program Files (x86)\WinFsp\bin\launchctl-x64.exe" start virtiofs 
viofsZ mount_tag0 Z:


where mount_tag0 is the name given to the share in KVM configuration.

Each mounted fs (Z, Y, X etc.) has its own virtiofs running.

This way you can mount any number of shares from the guest.  The only 
problem is that the mount does not survive guest reboot.  Hence the 
necessity for the batchfile.


Cheers
Frank





Hi Frank,

That explains it.  And I am writing that command down.
Thank you!

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Re: How do I ShareHost Files With KVM

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On 6/28/24 11:49, Frank Bures wrote:

On 2024-06-28 05:14, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 6/27/24 14:04, Frank Bures wrote:

On 2024-06-27 16:46, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 6/27/24 11:50, Frank Bures wrote:


I followed the instructions at

https://virtio-win.github.io/Knowledge-Base/Virtiofs:-Shared-file-system

to mount two different F40 host file systems from Win11 KVM guest.

However, the mount does not survive guest reboot so I wrote a 
little batch file I have to execute during each guest start.


Is there a different way how to make the mount permanent?

Thanks
Frank




Hi Frank,

Are your mounts cifs or Virtiofs?

If Virtiofs, did you remember to set  "VirtIO-FS Service"
to "Automatic"?


Actually, what you describe relates to single shared fs. In case of 
multiple shared virtual filesystems the VirtioFsSvc is stopped 
permanently.


The host shares are mounted from the guest using

"C:\Program Files (x86)\WinFsp\bin\launchctl-x64.exe" start virtiofs 
viofsZ mount_tag0 Z:


where mount_tag0 is the name given to the share in KVM configuration.

Each mounted fs (Z, Y, X etc.) has its own virtiofs running.

This way you can mount any number of shares from the guest.  The only 
problem is that the mount does not survive guest reboot.  Hence the 
necessity for the batchfile.


Cheers
Frank





Hi Frank,

That explains it.  And I am writing that command down.
Thank you!


Make sure to follow the whole instructions in the above mentioned URL.  
You have to establish the registry entries first, before attempting to 
mount the shares.


Cheers
Frank



Got it!  Thank you!
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Re: How do I ShareHost Files With KVM

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On 6/27/24 03:25, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 6/26/24 01:09, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Hi All,

Fedora 39
qemu-kvm-8.1.3-5.fc39.x86_64
virt-manager-4.1.0-3.fc39.noarch

Windows 11

How do I Share Host Files (Fedora 39) with
Windows 11 (client) with KVM?

I have been reading this virt-manager how to:
 https://chrisirwin.ca/posts/sharing-host-files-with-kvm/

He is leaving out how to mount in Windows
and his "Filesystem Passthrough"

https://chrisirwin.ca/posts/sharing-host-files-with-kvm/add-filesystem.png
is a lot different than mine
 https://imgur.com/pqPcLo0.png

Anyone have a better howto?
-T


Found a much better How To:

Share Files Between the KVM Host and Windows Guest Using Virtiofs

https://sysguides.com/share-files-between-the-kvm-host-and-windows-guest-using-virtiofs


And it is working beautifully


But only in Windows 11.

In Windows 10 and 7, winfsp-2.0.23075 installs something
called
 "WinFsp.Launcher"
which fired off to
 "C:\Program Files 
(x86)\WinFsp\SxS\sxs.20240706T091144Z\bin\launcher-x64.exe"


And no shared drive

In windows 11, winfsp-2.0.23075 installs
 "VirtioFsSvc"
which fires off
 "C:\Program Files\Virtio-Win\VioFS\virtiofs.exe"

And sharing works well.

What the heck
-T


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OT: motherboard

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Hi All,

Anyone have a favorite uATX motherboard that
supports ECC and is Fedora 40 friendly?

Many thanks,
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Re: OT: motherboard

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On 7/11/24 06:32, Thomas Cameron wrote:

On 7/10/24 11:59 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Hi All,

Anyone have a favorite uATX motherboard that
supports ECC and is Fedora 40 friendly?


Hey, Todd -

Depends on what you're doing. I have a homelab with a bunch of older 
Proliant servers I use for education and testing. Speed is not a huge 
requirement, I just use them for virtualization and learning. You can 
get older servers (Gen 9 and Gen 10) pretty cheap from eBay and 
ServerMonkey.com and SaveMyServer.com. I've had fantastic luck from 
ServerMonkey and SaveMyServer. Good warranty, excellent customer 
service, etc. I'm not affiliated with them, just a happy customer.


If you're looking for a new server class machine, as Richard mentioned, 
ASUS has a good motherboard selection. I've been happy with very 
Gigabyte in the past, but I've heard rumblings that their quality may 
have lowered lately. I don't personally have any evidence of that, it's 
just something I saw someone mention in a forum and some folks chimed in 
in agreement.


Can you tell us more about what it is you're trying to accomplish? It'd 
be easier to make recommendations based on budget, machine role, etc.





I am are upgrading my office workstation.  It is a bit of a work
horse with qemu-kvm virtual machines out the wazoo, so I can
upport my various customer's OS'es.  I do no gaming.

I am a fan of Intel CPU and not AMD.  I am also a fan of ECC.

ASUS is almost impossible to get any presales support.  Their
two phone numbers either hand up on yo or go to answering
machine.  Their contact forms won't allow gmail or ]zoho mail.
They require you give them you gmail logon password and ID to
use their support forum.  Yikes.

Sup[ermicro blocks zoho and gmail too.  But I
have not tried the phone numbers yet,  They use
to work.

And I kicked gigabytes ass out of my business when their
support refused to honor a warranty on a motherboard
because I  ordered from Amazon.

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Re: OT: motherboard

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On 7/11/24 13:53, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 7/11/24 06:32, Thomas Cameron wrote:

On 7/10/24 11:59 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Hi All,

Anyone have a favorite uATX motherboard that
supports ECC and is Fedora 40 friendly?


Hey, Todd -

Depends on what you're doing. I have a homelab with a bunch of older 
Proliant servers I use for education and testing. Speed is not a huge 
requirement, I just use them for virtualization and learning. You can 
get older servers (Gen 9 and Gen 10) pretty cheap from eBay and 
ServerMonkey.com and SaveMyServer.com. I've had fantastic luck from 
ServerMonkey and SaveMyServer. Good warranty, excellent customer 
service, etc. I'm not affiliated with them, just a happy customer.


If you're looking for a new server class machine, as Richard 
mentioned, ASUS has a good motherboard selection. I've been happy with 
very Gigabyte in the past, but I've heard rumblings that their quality 
may have lowered lately. I don't personally have any evidence of that, 
it's just something I saw someone mention in a forum and some folks 
chimed in in agreement.


Can you tell us more about what it is you're trying to accomplish? 
It'd be easier to make recommendations based on budget, machine role, 
etc.





I am are upgrading my office workstation.  It is a bit of a work
horse with qemu-kvm virtual machines out the wazoo, so I can
upport my various customer's OS'es.  I do no gaming.

I am a fan of Intel CPU and not AMD.  I am also a fan of ECC.

ASUS is almost impossible to get any presales support.  Their
two phone numbers either hand up on yo or go to answering
machine.  Their contact forms won't allow gmail or ]zoho mail.
They require you give them you gmail logon password and ID to
use their support forum.  Yikes.

Sup[ermicro blocks zoho and gmail too.  But I
have not tried the phone numbers yet,  They use
to work.

And I kicked gigabytes ass out of my business when their
support refused to honor a warranty on a motherboard
because I  ordered from Amazon.


Current motherboard works fine.  I am trying to get
ahead of Windows 12's idiot hardware requirements,
which qemu-kvm passes right through to it.  I have
been able to trick my way around W11's idiotic
requirements, but 12's are a nightmare.

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Re: OT: motherboard

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On 7/12/24 21:31, Tim via users wrote:

On Fri, 2024-07-12 at 08:48 -0700, Todd Chester via users wrote:

All I get is rumors too.  What I do know it
that the hardware requirements will be the same
as W11 plus the addition of an AI capable
processor.

My current processor does not meet W11's
requirements.


Oh, gourd no...  AI built into a PC?  Doesn't Microsoft ever learn
anything about their OS making decisions on behalf of the user that
they shouldn't?  Imagine the new spam with malware attached that
automatically gets executed!

There was a recent article about someone who'd made what they called a
"government version" of Windows 11 where they stripped out all the
advertising and tracking.  It also worked fine on hardware that Windows
otherwise refuses for not being good enough.

Seriously, if people have PCs that can do all the highspeed number-
crunching for stunning video game graphics, plus all the other
computations, then that ought to be good enough for just the OS to
run?!

An OS should be absolutely the minimal activity a computer is doing, in
the background.  It's *my* programs that I want it to be using the
grunt for


Well stated.

I though of stoppnig support Windows as of 12, but it would
shut down my business.  I am also getting "some" interest in
Linux (not enough to put food on the table) over M$'s
CoPilot/Recall, which are a marketing and privacy abomination.

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Re: OT: motherboard

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On 7/15/24 00:22, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 5:21 PM ToddAndMargo via users
 wrote:

[...]
Current motherboard works fine.  I am trying to get
ahead of Windows 12's idiot hardware requirements,
which qemu-kvm passes right through to it.  I have
been able to trick my way around W11's idiotic
requirements, but 12's are a nightmare.


I think Windows 12 hardware requirements are the least of your worries.

Windows 12 and Recall looks like a disaster. Or a disaster for users
and their privacy. Cf.,
<https://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram/archives/2024/0615.html#cg6>.

Jeff


Agreed.  But people will still buy them because they have
to have their M$ Office, Quickbooks, Family Tree maker,
Adobe Acrobat, point-of-sale software, etc..

M$'s OS'es are junk, but M$ has won the applications wars.
It is like pulling teeth tho get developers to develop
for both as they have zero Linux customer for their stuff
and they never will until they can offer Linux version
of their software.  Catch 22.

I really have no choice but to support M$'s junk.  I put
their OS'es in qemu-kvm virtual mach8ins.  Kvm passes
the hardware straight through to the VM, so I am in the
planning stages on upgrading my motherboard.

And is really annoys me that I have a perfectly capable
motherboard, but will need to replace it to support M$'s
junk.

I wrote the PCI (Payment Card industry) standards folks
about all the upcoming spying in W11 and 12.  They have
yet to answer me.  Running Point of Sale system
taking credit cards on a Windows platform is stupid,
but ...

You have any recommendations for a uATX Intel based motherboard?
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Libre Office 7 /24 ??

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Hi All,

Seems that Libre Office has discontinued version 7.x
and replaced it with version 24, which has constant
updates: two to three a month.

Anyone know if Fedora is going to jump on the
24 merry-go-round?

Going to drive me nuts on the Payment Card Industry
(PCI) sites I maintain.  I think I may recommend
they switch to Only Office (OO).  OO has an RPM
that works with Fedora too and I do use it a lot.
Wonderfully responsive support too.  Not the 12
years to fix a bug stuff like Libre Office.

-T

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Re: Libre Office 7 /24 ??

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On 7/17/24 10:20, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Hi All,

Seems that Libre Office has discontinued version 7.x
and replaced it with version 24, which has constant
updates: two to three a month.

Anyone know if Fedora is going to jump on the
24 merry-go-round?

Going to drive me nuts on the Payment Card Industry
(PCI) sites I maintain.  I think I may recommend
they switch to Only Office (OO).  OO has an RPM
that works with Fedora too and I do use it a lot.
Wonderfully responsive support too.  Not the 12
years to fix a bug stuff like Libre Office.

-T


Chatting with the Libre Office folks, 24 is the
only "supported" version now.  They say there are
only an update every three months, but in their
defunct section,

   https://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/

I see 13 updates this first six months of this year.
"Supposedly the are "Candidates" not general releases.



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Re: QXL drivers for Fedora Guest?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 8/31/24 16:09, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 8/31/24 3:53 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On my Fedora 40 XFCe/MATE qemu-kvm guest virtual
machine configures for QXL video.  How do I
install the guest QXL drivers?


They're included by default as part of the kernel.




When I expand the windows size, the resolution should
change automatically, but does not.  All my Windows
VM's automatically scale and they are using QXL as
well.  What am I missing?
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Re: QXL drivers for Fedora Guest?

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On 8/31/24 18:33, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 8/31/24 6:29 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 8/31/24 17:43, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 8/31/24 4:32 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 8/31/24 16:09, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 8/31/24 3:53 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On my Fedora 40 XFCe/MATE qemu-kvm guest virtual
machine configures for QXL video.  How do I
install the guest QXL drivers?


They're included by default as part of the kernel.


When I expand the windows size, the resolution should
change automatically, but does not.  All my Windows
VM's automatically scale and they are using QXL as
well.  What am I missing?


I'm pretty sure that's not the video driver, it's the guest tools. 
That's certainly what it is for windows.


Try the "qemu-guest-agent" package.



Dang!

# dnf install qemu-guest-agent
Last metadata expiration check: 2:38:38 ago on Sat 31 Aug 2024 
03:50:14 PM PDT.

Package qemu-guest-agent-2:8.2.6-3.fc40.x86_64 is already installed.
Dependencies resolved.
Nothing to do.
Complete!


systemctl status qemu-guest-agent.service



Double Dang!

# systemctl status qemu-guest-agent.service
○ qemu-guest-agent.service - QEMU Guest Agent
 Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/qemu-guest-agent.service; 
disabled>

Drop-In: /usr/lib/systemd/system/service.d
 └─10-timeout-abort.conf
 Active: inactive (dead)

# systemctl enable qemu-guest-agent.service
Created symlink 
/etc/systemd/system/dev-virtio\x2dports-org.qemu.guest_agent.0.device.wants/qemu-guest-agent.service 
→ /usr/lib/systemd/system/qemu-guest-agent.service.
Unit /usr/lib/systemd/system/qemu-guest-agent.service is added as a 
dependency to a non-existent unit 
dev-virtio\x2dports-org.qemu.guest_agent.0.device.


# systemctl start qemu-guest-agent.service
wait, wait, wait, wait
A dependency job for qemu-guest-agent.service failed. See 'journalctl 
-xe' for details.


$ journalctl -xe
Aug 31 16:44:18 localhost.localdomain spice-vdagent[1468]: Found card 
'/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:02.0/drm/card0' with Vendor ID 0x100,>
Aug 31 16:44:18 localhost.localdomain spice-vdagent[1468]: Mapping 
connector Virtual-1 to display #0
Aug 31 16:44:18 localhost.localdomain spice-vdagent[1468]: Device 
/dev/dri/card0 is at /sys/devices/pci:00/:00:02.0/drm/card0
Aug 31 16:44:18 localhost.localdomain spice-vdagent[1468]: Found card 
'/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:02.0/drm/card0' with Vendor ID 0x100,>
Aug 31 16:44:18 localhost.localdomain spice-vdagent[1468]: Found 
matching X Output: name=Virtual-1 id=67
Aug 31 16:44:18 localhost.localdomain spice-vdagent[1468]: Adding 
graphics device info: channel_id: 0 monitor_id: 0 device_address: pci/>
Aug 31 16:44:18 localhost.localdomain spice-vdagent[1468]: display: 
failed to call GetCurrentState from mutter over DBUS
Aug 31 16:44:18 localhost.localdomain spice-vdagent[1468]:error 
message: Cannot invoke method; proxy is for the well-known name org.gnom>
Aug 31 16:44:18 localhost.localdomain spice-vdagent[1468]: Unable to 
find a display id for output index 1)
Aug 31 16:44:18 localhost.localdomain spice-vdagent[1468]: Unable to 
find a display id for output index 2)
Aug 31 16:44:18 localhost.localdomain spice-vdagent[1468]: Unable to 
find a display id for output index 3)
Aug 31 16:44:18 localhost.localdomain spice-vdagent[1468]: 
vdagent_audio_playback_sync mute=no nchannels=2
Aug 31 16:44:18 localhost.localdomain spice-vdagent[1468]: 
vdagent-audio: (playback-left) 65535 (100.00%)
Aug 31 16:44:18 localhost.localdomain spice-vdagent[1468]: 
vdagent-audio: (playback-right) 65535 (100.00%)
Aug 31 16:44:18 localhost.localdomain spice-vdagent[1468]: 
vdagent_audio_record_sync mute=no nchannels=2
Aug 31 16:44:18 localhost.localdomain spice-vdagent[1468]: 
vdagent-audio: (capture-left) 65535 (100.00%)
Aug 31 16:44:18 localhost.localdomain spice-vdagent[1468]: 
vdagent-audio: (capture-right) 65535 (100.00%)
Aug 31 18:28:33 localhost.localdomain systemd[1035]: Started 
dbus-:1.2-org.xfce.Xfconf@2.service.

░░ Subject: A start job for unit UNIT has finished successfully
░░ Defined-By: systemd
░░ Support: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
░░
░░ A start job for unit UNIT has finished successfully.
░░
░░ The job identifier is 332.


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QXL drivers for Fedora Guest?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

Hi All,

On my Fedora 40 XFCe/MATE qemu-kvm guest virtual
machine configures for QXL video.  How do I
install the guest QXL drivers?

Yours in confusion,
-T

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Re: QXL drivers for Fedora Guest?

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On 8/31/24 19:39, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 8/31/24 7:35 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 8/31/24 19:10, Samuel Sieb wrote:
I wonder if the spice agent can't communicate with xfce because it 
isn't providing the necessary interfaces.


# rpm -qa \*spice\*
spice-vdagent-0.22.1-6.fc40.x86_64

# systemctl status spice-vdagent
Unit spice-vdagent.service could not be found.

# ps ax | grep -i spice
    1468 ?    Ssl    0:00 /usr/bin/spice-vdagent
    1484 ?    Ssl    0:00 /usr/sbin/spice-vdagentd
    3227 pts/1    S+ 0:00 grep --color=auto -i spice


"spice-vdagentd"  (try tab-completion)

And yes, it's because of xfce.
https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/spice-vdagent-not-resizing-screen-resolution-debian-12-5-xfce-vm.142671/
https://superuser.com/questions/1183834/no-auto-resize-with-spice-and-virt-manager
https://gist.github.com/3lpsy/4cc344ae031bf77595991c536cbd3275


And the XFCe bug:

add support for xrandr hotplug_mode_update property / SPICE resize support
https://gitlab.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/-/issues/142

The bug is five years old.
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Re: QXL drivers for Fedora Guest?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 8/31/24 19:39, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 8/31/24 7:35 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 8/31/24 19:10, Samuel Sieb wrote:
I wonder if the spice agent can't communicate with xfce because it 
isn't providing the necessary interfaces.


# rpm -qa \*spice\*
spice-vdagent-0.22.1-6.fc40.x86_64

# systemctl status spice-vdagent
Unit spice-vdagent.service could not be found.

# ps ax | grep -i spice
    1468 ?    Ssl    0:00 /usr/bin/spice-vdagent
    1484 ?    Ssl    0:00 /usr/sbin/spice-vdagentd
    3227 pts/1    S+ 0:00 grep --color=auto -i spice


"spice-vdagentd"  (try tab-completion)


# systemctl status spice-vdagentd
● spice-vdagentd.service - Agent daemon for Spice guests
 Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/spice-vdagentd.service; 
enabled; preset: enabled)

Drop-In: /usr/lib/systemd/system/service.d
 └─10-timeout-abort.conf
 Active: active (running) since Sat 2024-08-31 16:35:48 PDT; 3h 
10min ago

TriggeredBy: ● spice-vdagentd.socket
   Main PID: 1484 (spice-vdagentd)
  Tasks: 3 (limit: 2307)
 Memory: 844.0K (peak: 2.4M)
CPU: 845ms
 CGroup: /system.slice/spice-vdagentd.service
 └─1484 /usr/sbin/spice-vdagentd



And yes, it's because of xfce.
https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/spice-vdagent-not-resizing-screen-resolution-debian-12-5-xfce-vm.142671/
https://superuser.com/questions/1183834/no-auto-resize-with-spice-and-virt-manager
https://gist.github.com/3lpsy/4cc344ae031bf77595991c536cbd3275


Same issue under MATE


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Re: QXL drivers for Fedora Guest?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 8/31/24 19:39, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 8/31/24 7:35 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 8/31/24 19:10, Samuel Sieb wrote:
I wonder if the spice agent can't communicate with xfce because it 
isn't providing the necessary interfaces.


# rpm -qa \*spice\*
spice-vdagent-0.22.1-6.fc40.x86_64

# systemctl status spice-vdagent
Unit spice-vdagent.service could not be found.

# ps ax | grep -i spice
    1468 ?    Ssl    0:00 /usr/bin/spice-vdagent
    1484 ?    Ssl    0:00 /usr/sbin/spice-vdagentd
    3227 pts/1    S+ 0:00 grep --color=auto -i spice


"spice-vdagentd"  (try tab-completion)

And yes, it's because of xfce.
https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/spice-vdagent-not-resizing-screen-resolution-debian-12-5-xfce-vm.142671/
https://superuser.com/questions/1183834/no-auto-resize-with-spice-and-virt-manager
https://gist.github.com/3lpsy/4cc344ae031bf77595991c536cbd3275


Hi Sam,

Thank you for the help!   I just adjusted to a size I
likes from settings --> displays

-T
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Re: QXL drivers for Fedora Guest?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 8/31/24 19:10, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 8/31/24 6:43 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 8/31/24 18:33, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 8/31/24 6:29 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 8/31/24 17:43, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 8/31/24 4:32 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 8/31/24 16:09, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 8/31/24 3:53 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On my Fedora 40 XFCe/MATE qemu-kvm guest virtual
machine configures for QXL video.  How do I
install the guest QXL drivers?


They're included by default as part of the kernel.


When I expand the windows size, the resolution should
change automatically, but does not.  All my Windows
VM's automatically scale and they are using QXL as
well.  What am I missing?


I'm pretty sure that's not the video driver, it's the guest tools. 
That's certainly what it is for windows.


Try the "qemu-guest-agent" package.



Dang!

# dnf install qemu-guest-agent
Last metadata expiration check: 2:38:38 ago on Sat 31 Aug 2024 
03:50:14 PM PDT.

Package qemu-guest-agent-2:8.2.6-3.fc40.x86_64 is already installed.
Dependencies resolved.
Nothing to do.
Complete!


systemctl status qemu-guest-agent.service



Double Dang!

# systemctl status qemu-guest-agent.service
○ qemu-guest-agent.service - QEMU Guest Agent
  Loaded: loaded 
(/usr/lib/systemd/system/qemu-guest-agent.service; disabled>

 Drop-In: /usr/lib/systemd/system/service.d
  └─10-timeout-abort.conf
  Active: inactive (dead)

# systemctl enable qemu-guest-agent.service
Created symlink 
/etc/systemd/system/dev-virtio\x2dports-org.qemu.guest_agent.0.device.wants/qemu-guest-agent.service → /usr/lib/systemd/system/qemu-guest-agent.service.
Unit /usr/lib/systemd/system/qemu-guest-agent.service is added as a 
dependency to a non-existent unit 
dev-virtio\x2dports-org.qemu.guest_agent.0.device.


# systemctl start qemu-guest-agent.service
wait, wait, wait, wait
A dependency job for qemu-guest-agent.service failed. See 'journalctl 
-xe' for details.


$ journalctl -xe
Aug 31 16:44:18 localhost.localdomain spice-vdagent[1468]: Found card 
'/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:02.0/drm/card0' with Vendor ID 0x100,>
Aug 31 16:44:18 localhost.localdomain spice-vdagent[1468]: Mapping 
connector Virtual-1 to display #0
Aug 31 16:44:18 localhost.localdomain spice-vdagent[1468]: Device 
/dev/dri/card0 is at /sys/devices/pci:00/:00:02.0/drm/card0
Aug 31 16:44:18 localhost.localdomain spice-vdagent[1468]: Found card 
'/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:02.0/drm/card0' with Vendor ID 0x100,>
Aug 31 16:44:18 localhost.localdomain spice-vdagent[1468]: Found 
matching X Output: name=Virtual-1 id=67
Aug 31 16:44:18 localhost.localdomain spice-vdagent[1468]: Adding 
graphics device info: channel_id: 0 monitor_id: 0 device_address: 
pci/>
Aug 31 16:44:18 localhost.localdomain spice-vdagent[1468]: display: 
failed to call GetCurrentState from mutter over DBUS
Aug 31 16:44:18 localhost.localdomain spice-vdagent[1468]:    error 
message: Cannot invoke method; proxy is for the well-known name org.gnom>
Aug 31 16:44:18 localhost.localdomain spice-vdagent[1468]: Unable to 
find a display id for output index 1)
Aug 31 16:44:18 localhost.localdomain spice-vdagent[1468]: Unable to 
find a display id for output index 2)
Aug 31 16:44:18 localhost.localdomain spice-vdagent[1468]: Unable to 
find a display id for output index 3)


I wonder if the spice agent can't communicate with xfce because it isn't 
providing the necessary interfaces.




# rpm -qa \*spice\*
spice-vdagent-0.22.1-6.fc40.x86_64

# systemctl status spice-vdagent
Unit spice-vdagent.service could not be found.

# ps ax | grep -i spice
   1468 ?Ssl0:00 /usr/bin/spice-vdagent
   1484 ?Ssl0:00 /usr/sbin/spice-vdagentd
   3227 pts/1S+ 0:00 grep --color=auto -i spice

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Re: QXL drivers for Fedora Guest?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 8/31/24 17:43, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 8/31/24 4:32 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 8/31/24 16:09, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 8/31/24 3:53 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On my Fedora 40 XFCe/MATE qemu-kvm guest virtual
machine configures for QXL video.  How do I
install the guest QXL drivers?


They're included by default as part of the kernel.


When I expand the windows size, the resolution should
change automatically, but does not.  All my Windows
VM's automatically scale and they are using QXL as
well.  What am I missing?


I'm pretty sure that's not the video driver, it's the guest tools. 
That's certainly what it is for windows.


Try the "qemu-guest-agent" package.



Dang!

# dnf install qemu-guest-agent
Last metadata expiration check: 2:38:38 ago on Sat 31 Aug 2024 03:50:14 
PM PDT.

Package qemu-guest-agent-2:8.2.6-3.fc40.x86_64 is already installed.
Dependencies resolved.
Nothing to do.
Complete!

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I need grep . help

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Hi All,

I am literally looking for "9.4.5" with grep.  Grep thinks
I want the dots to be wild cards.  What am I doing wrong?

$ curl -L "https://sourceforge.net/projects/crystaldiskinfo/files/"; -o - 
| grep -i '9.4.5'


Many thanks,
-T  (T/Todd/Dude/His Resplendence)


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Re: I need grep . help

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On 9/8/24 18:28, Go Canes wrote:

On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 9:10 PM ToddAndMargo via users
 wrote:

I am literally looking for "9.4.5" with grep.  Grep thinks
I want the dots to be wild cards.  What am I doing wrong?

$ curl -L "https://sourceforge.net/projects/crystaldiskinfo/files/"; -o -
| grep -i '9.4.5'


Option 1 - '-i' makes the grep case-insensitive which doesn't matter
if you are only grep'ing for numbers.  If so, you can use "grep -F
'9.4.5'" to grep for a "fixed string"; i.e. not a regular expression.

Option 2 - escape the dots - grep -i '9\.4\.5'

Option 3 - put the dots in square brackets - grep '9[.]4[.]5'.
Alternatively, if you want to grep for *any* run of digits and dots -
grep '[0-9.][0-9.]*'  (there may be a more elegant way to do this with
extended regular expressions)




Something is wrong.  Tried all those before posting.

Verifying 9.4.4 exists:
$ curl -L "https://sourceforge.net/projects/crystaldiskinfo/files/"; -o - 
| grep -i CrystalDiskInfo9_4_4.exe
  % Total% Received % Xferd  Average Speed   TimeTime Time 
Current
 Dload  Upload   Total   SpentLeft 
Speed
  0 00 00 0  0  0 --:--:-- --:--:-- 
--:--:-- 0title="/9.4.4/Cr ...





$ curl -L "https://sourceforge.net/projects/crystaldiskinfo/files/"; -o - 
| grep -i '9\.4\.5'
  % Total% Received % Xferd  Average Speed   TimeTime Time 
Current
 Dload  Upload   Total   SpentLeft 
Speed
100  101k0  101k0 0   268k  0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 
 269k





$ curl -L "https://sourceforge.net/projects/crystaldiskinfo/files/"; -o - 
| grep -i 9[.]4[.]5
  % Total% Received % Xferd  Average Speed   TimeTime Time 
Current
 Dload  Upload   Total   SpentLeft 
Speed
100  101k0  101k0 0   300k  0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 
 300k





$ curl -L "https://sourceforge.net/projects/crystaldiskinfo/files/"; -o - 
| grep -i '9[.]4[.]5'
  % Total% Received % Xferd  Average Speed   TimeTime Time 
Current
 Dload  Upload   Total   SpentLeft 
Speed
100  101k0  101k0 0   295k  0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 
 296k





$ curl -L "https://sourceforge.net/projects/crystaldiskinfo/files/"; -o - 
| grep -i 9\.4\.5
  % Total% Received % Xferd  Average Speed   TimeTime Time 
Current
 Dload  Upload   Total   SpentLeft 
Speed
  0 00 00 0  0  0 --:--:-- --:--:-- 
--:--:-- 0code: 'div-gpt-ad-1393435113147-0',
[728, 
90],'div-gpt-ad-1393435113147-0')

SF.Ads.slotsById['div-gpt-ad-1393435113147-0']




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Re: I need grep . help

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 9:43 PM ToddAndMargo via users 
mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org>> 
wrote:


On 9/8/24 18:28, Go Canes wrote:
 > On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 9:10 PM ToddAndMargo via users
 > mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org>> wrote:
 >> I am literally looking for "9.4.5" with grep.  Grep thinks
 >> I want the dots to be wild cards.  What am I doing wrong?
 >>
 >> $ curl -L
"https://sourceforge.net/projects/crystaldiskinfo/files/
<https://sourceforge.net/projects/crystaldiskinfo/files/>" -o -
 >> | grep -i '9.4.5'
 >
 > Option 1 - '-i' makes the grep case-insensitive which doesn't matter
 > if you are only grep'ing for numbers.  If so, you can use "grep -F
 > '9.4.5'" to grep for a "fixed string"; i.e. not a regular expression.
 >
 > Option 2 - escape the dots - grep -i '9\.4\.5'
 >
 > Option 3 - put the dots in square brackets - grep '9[.]4[.]5'.
 > Alternatively, if you want to grep for *any* run of digits and dots -
 > grep '[0-9.][0-9.]*'  (there may be a more elegant way to do this
with
 > extended regular expressions)



Something is wrong.  Tried all those before posting.

Verifying 9.4.4 exists:
$ curl -L "https://sourceforge.net/projects/crystaldiskinfo/files/
<https://sourceforge.net/projects/crystaldiskinfo/files/>" -o -
| grep -i CrystalDiskInfo9_4_4.exe
% Total% Received % Xferd  Average Speed   TimeTime   
  Time

Current
   Dload  Upload   Total   Spent   
Left

Speed
0 00 00 0  0  0 --:--:-- --:--:--
--:--:-- 0https://sourceforge.net/projects/crystaldiskinfo/files/
<https://sourceforge.net/projects/crystaldiskinfo/files/>" -o -
| grep -i '9\.4\.5'
% Total% Received % Xferd  Average Speed   TimeTime   
  Time

Current
   Dload  Upload   Total   Spent   
Left

Speed
100  101k0  101k0 0   268k  0 --:--:-- --:--:--
--:--:--
   269k




$ curl -L "https://sourceforge.net/projects/crystaldiskinfo/files/
<https://sourceforge.net/projects/crystaldiskinfo/files/>" -o -
| grep -i 9[.]4[.]5
% Total% Received % Xferd  Average Speed   TimeTime   
  Time

Current
   Dload  Upload   Total   Spent   
Left

Speed
100  101k0  101k0 0   300k  0 --:--:-- --:--:--
--:--:--
   300k




$ curl -L "https://sourceforge.net/projects/crystaldiskinfo/files/
<https://sourceforge.net/projects/crystaldiskinfo/files/>" -o -
| grep -i '9[.]4[.]5'
% Total% Received % Xferd  Average Speed   TimeTime   
  Time

Current
   Dload  Upload   Total   Spent   
Left

Speed
100  101k0  101k0 0   295k  0 --:--:-- --:--:--
--:--:--
   296k




$ curl -L "https://sourceforge.net/projects/crystaldiskinfo/files/
<https://sourceforge.net/projects/crystaldiskinfo/files/>" -o -
| grep -i 9\.4\.5
% Total% Received % Xferd  Average Speed   TimeTime   
  Time

Current
   Dload  Upload   Total   Spent   
Left

Speed
0 00 00 0  0  0 --:--:-- --:--:--
--:--:-- 0code: 'div-gpt-ad-1393435113147-0',
  [728,
90],'div-gpt-ad-1393435113147-0')
  SF.Ads.slotsById['div-gpt-ad-1393435113147-0']




On 9/8/24 18:50, Terry Polzin wrote:

grep -e rather than grep -i


Still looking for wild cards.  Same with quotes around it.

$ curl -L "https://sourceforge.net/projects/crystaldiskinfo/files/"; -o - 
| grep -e 9.4.5
  % Total% Received % Xferd  Average Speed   TimeTime Time 
Current
 Dload  Upload   Total   SpentLeft 
Speed
  0 00 00 0  0  0 --:--:-- --:--:-- 
--:--:-- 0code: 'div-gpt-ad-1393435113147-0', ...



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Re: I need grep . help

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On 9/8/24 18:51, home user via users wrote:


Are you looking for "9.4.4" or "9.4.5"?


Aw poop!  yes 9.4.4

Still can't get it to work though
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Re: I need grep . help

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On 9/8/24 19:03, Jonathan Billings wrote:
On Sep 8, 2024, at 21:11, ToddAndMargo via users 
 wrote:


Hi All,

I am literally looking for "9.4.5" with grep.  Grep thinks
I want the dots to be wild cards.  What am I doing wrong?

$ curl -L "https://sourceforge.net/projects/crystaldiskinfo/files/"; -o 
- | grep -i '9.4.5'


Use “grep -F”

*-F*,*--fixed-strings*
   Interpret/PATTERNS/  as fixed strings, not regular
   expressions.

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That fix it!!  Thank you!
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Re: I need grep . help

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On 9/8/24 23:04, Samuel Sieb wrote:

And as you found, the problem was that you had the wrong number.


Stinking typos.

:'(


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Gen 2x2 hub question

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Hi All,

I am not after 2x2 performance.  I am just after
lots of extra USB ports.

I am trying to verify is Delock's 64057 front panel hub
 https://www.delock.com/produkt/64057/merkmale.html

is compatible with Asus' Pro_WS_W790-ACE 2x2 port, pg 1-14

https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/LGA4677/Pro_WS_W790-ACE/E22143_Pro_WS_W790-ACE_UM_V3_WEB.pdf?model=Pro%20WS%20W790-ACE

So far what I have from both vendors is the following:
   https://ibb.co/pjB6pDv

The left side is the Delock and the Right side is the Asus.
(Asus and Delock sent me the pin out but refused to
commit to compatibility.)

The Delock is missing the SBU1 and SBU2 pins.

Many thanks,
-T


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Re: Gen 2x2 hub question

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On 9/15/24 01:52, Tim via users wrote:

My (now ancient) experience with trying to make a Frankenstein (or
Swiss Army knife) PC that could do everything, is that compatibility is
a pipe dream, as various manufacturers only pay attention to some bits
of specifications.


Hi Tim,

Ya.  No fooling!   And getting the vendors to commit.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.  "You will have to buy one and try
it yourself.  Oh and no returns."

Thank you for the insightful answer!

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I need granny games!

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Hi All,

I have a customer (actually she is a great grand mother) who
wants me "specifically" to put her together a cheap machine
to only play Freecell.  No internet, no printing, no sound.
So Xfce, Fedora, and K Patience to the rescue.

Now I know that K Patience contains Freecell, but I
was wondering if there are some other granny games I
could put on it.  You know games like Solitaire that
would make teenagers run screaming for their lives!
Those "Granny" games.

Many thanks,
-T
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Re: shudown

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On 10/26/18 8:49 AM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 10/25/2018 10:09 PM, Todd Chester via users wrote:


    su root -c "/sbin/shutdown -h +70"


Specifying root in that line is redundant.


Indeed it is.  I do it anyway so that it is clear
what is happening.



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Re: I need granny games!

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On 10/27/18 10:10 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 10/27/2018 10:43 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Now I know that K Patience contains Freecell, but I
was wondering if there are some other granny games I
could put on it.  You know games like Solitaire that
would make teenagers run screaming for their lives!
Those "Granny" games.


Nethack?  Hearts?



One for two!  Thank you!

$ dnf --enablerepo=* whatprovides hearts
...
Error: No Matches found



$ dnf --enablerepo=* whatprovides nethack
Last metadata expiration check: 0:00:58 ago on Sat 27 Oct 2018 10:32:27 
PM PDT.

nethack-3.6.1-1.fc28.x86_64 : A rogue-like single player dungeon exploration
: game
Repo: updates
Matched from:
Provide: nethack = 3.6.1-1.fc28

nethack-3.6.0-42.fc28.x86_64 : A rogue-like single player dungeon 
exploration

 : game
Repo: fedora
Matched from:
Provide: nethack = 3.6.0-42.fc28

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Re: I need granny games!

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 10/27/18 10:42 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 10/27/18 10:35 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 10/27/18 10:10 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 10/27/2018 10:43 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Now I know that K Patience contains Freecell, but I
was wondering if there are some other granny games I
could put on it.  You know games like Solitaire that
would make teenagers run screaming for their lives!
Those "Granny" games.


Nethack?  Hearts?


Nethack as a granny game??


One for two!  Thank you!

$ dnf --enablerepo=* whatprovides hearts
...
Error: No Matches found


# dnf search hearts
gnome-hearts.x86_64 : Hearts game for GNOME


Thank you!

$ dnf --enablerepo=* whatprovides */gnome-hearts
Last metadata expiration check: 0:11:37 ago on Sat 27 Oct 2018 10:32:27 
PM PDT.

gnome-hearts-0.3-22.fc28.x86_64 : Hearts game for GNOME

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Re: I need granny games!

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On 10/27/18 10:40 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 10/27/18 9:43 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Now I know that K Patience contains Freecell, but I
was wondering if there are some other granny games I
could put on it.  You know games like Solitaire that
would make teenagers run screaming for their lives!
Those "Granny" games.


For solitaire card games, there are aisleriot and PySolFC which has a 
lot of card game options.  Both of those contain freecell.  There are 
minesweeper options for both KDE and Gnome.  There is Mahjongg.  There 
is sudoku.  There is Gweled which is similar to the bejeweled style of 
game.  Hangman, chess, puzzle master (jigsaw puzzles).  Tali which is 
like yahtzee.  Open Gnome Software and look through the games section.


Awesome!  Teenagers will run in TERROR !!!

Thank you!

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Re: I need granny games!

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On 10/27/18 10:46 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 10/27/2018 11:35 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:



One for two!  Thank you!

$ dnf --enablerepo=* whatprovides hearts
...
Error: No Matches found


It probably won't make a difference, but try looking for gnome-hearts 
instead.


That worked!  Thank you!

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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 10/28/18 3:49 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

I know this is strictly OT, but I suggest it's of some interest to this
list:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/28/ibm-to-acquire-red-hat-in-deal-valued-at-34-billion.html

poc


Oh [expletive deleted] !!!

IBM RUINED Lotus.

Hopefully Fedora an spin off on their own.
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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

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On 10/28/18 6:38 PM, Leander Hutton wrote:

On 10/28/18 6:49 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

I know this is strictly OT, but I suggest it's of some interest to this
list:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/28/ibm-to-acquire-red-hat-in-deal-valued-at-34-billion.html


Red Hat owns and funds a lot of projects. I use Ansible on a daily basis
(along with Fedora). I wonder what's going to happen with those. GNOME
is largely funded by RH IIRC too, I use KDE these days myself. Depending
on what products of Red Hat's IBM is interested in there could be some
forking here soon. Of course IBM could also let Red Hat be Red Hat and
just collect the checks. Who knows right now.


IBM ruined Lotus.  Sears ruined Lands' End.

I do not see anything positive coming from this, unless Fedora
completely spins off.

RHEL is defunct, out-of-date garbage, so I see IBM slowly
closing that project down as it wont support their new code
and sticking with cloud services and such.  I do not see
them support anything that does not directly affect their
immediate bottom line, especially with the financial hit
IBM took acquiring Red Hat.

I hope they leave qemu-kvm alone and spin it off as well.

I wonder if this will affect Libre Office as Red Hat
does some of LO's funding too.




Feels weird man. Love me some IBM buckling spring keyboards (typing this
on a '86 Model M) but I don't want them in my OS.


When it finally breaks, look up Unicomp.  They have excellent buckling 
spring keyboards. (I am typing on one right now.)



Leander




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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

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On 10/28/18 10:18 PM, Tim via users wrote:

On Sun, 2018-10-28 at 22:01 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:

The reality is, Red Hat is a publicly traded company and there was
always a very good chance a big fish was going to come eat it,
because it was doing well. Anyway, the ultimate decision now is up to
Red Hat shareholders. Why would they say no though? They bought the
stock to make money, this is their big pay day.


Ultimately, that's the horrible thing about capitalism.  Things only
exist for monetary reasons, they don't really exist to do what the
product is for.

And you can say it about anything.  e.g. The commercial phone companies
don't exist for people to be able to communicate (what their customers
consider their primary purpose to be).  They're there to make money and
it really doesn't care how well the communications aspect of it works.


"Capitalism" is an insult term made up by Marxists to describe the Free 
Market, which is "the free and open exchange of goods and services 
between consenting parties".  Under the Free Market, to meet your

own needs, you must meet the the needs of your customers.

Your description of communications customers only caring about money
falls apart.  If the service stinks, folks go elsewhere.  As a
small businessman, I can tell you that if I do not meet the needs
of my customers, I STARVE.  I live it and breath it.  I am only
rewarded for meeting my customers needs.

Red Hat has every right to sell itself to IBM, as Lands' End had every
right to sell itself to Sears.  And I have every right to look elsewhere
for someone else that will meet my needs.

I hope Fedora survives this. If not, someone else will pick up
the slack.



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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

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On 10/29/18 4:17 AM, j.halif...@seznam.cz wrote:
Capitalism is not a good system because of a sum of locally optimal 
behaviors
doesn't need to result in an optimum. Behavior of companies oriented for 
their
maximal profit causes negative devastating nature, social tensions, 
devastating

democracy, even criminal overthrowing legally elected governments, murdering
"inconvenient" politicians, mass corruption of politics, journalists and 
everybody
who agrees to sell their influences to public opinion, even the wars 
initiated for
fabricated reasons like "spreading the good and democracy" by means of 
shame-
less lies in UN or mass murders and genocide done by the terrorists 
painted with
"mendacious colors" of  so called "refugees," corrupting snipers for 
shooting the

demonstrating people of the both sides etc. Totally wrong !


"Capitalism" is an economic vehicle, not an economic system.
Socialists use it extensively, mainly to fund their horrible
war machines -- the Soviets and the Nazis for instance.

Socialism only works on paper and requires the barrel of gun
to force others to produce when they do not get to see the
fruits of their labor.  And keep in mind that Socialists
have cost humanity over 200 million souls in the past
decade alone.

The "free free market" on the other hand, if you do not meet
the needs of your customers, you fail.  Sure, folks can cheat,
but they only get away with it for so long.  Under the free market,
the only way to achieve maximum profit is keep your customers happy.
I live it and breath it every day of my life.

One of the few proper usages of government is to make sure folks
don't cheat (monopolies, etc.).  But even without this, monopolies
do eventually fail anyway -- it just takes longer.  Microsoft,
who does cheat, will feel the full force of this eventually.

Do not be fooled by flowery, utopian descriptions of Socialism
in college text books.  Look around you. It has never been
successful anywhere it has been tried.  And remember the lost
200 millions souls.  A good place to start looking would be
the current situation in Venezuela.


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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

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On 10/29/18 8:12 AM, Eddie O'Connor wrote:
I feel as though I've been kicked in the back of the neck.by Bruce 
Lee! I don't presume to know the first thing about corporations, 
mergers, and long term financials, And while Red Hat was a 
corporation per se.I've always loved Fedora for being different, for 
being the odd distro that was backed by a major corporation but was 
still able to support itself independently. Now? I'm just "leery". I 
don't know what plans IBM has for their new found "toy".& I'd rather 
not be surprised as others have said. So the question is:
Are there any .rpm-based distros that would make a good replacement for 
Fedora?


Heartbroken in the world of Open Source.

EGO II


Wonderfully stated.  The announcement took my breath away.  I hope
Fedora gets spun off.
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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

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On 10/29/18 11:41 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 10:02:32 -0700 ToddAndMargo via users 
 wrote:


On 10/29/18 8:12 AM, Eddie O'Connor wrote:

I feel as though I've been kicked in the back of the neck.by Bruce
Lee! I don't presume to know the first thing about corporations,
mergers, and long term financials, And while Red Hat was a
corporation per se.I've always loved Fedora for being different, for
being the odd distro that was backed by a major corporation but was
still able to support itself independently. Now? I'm just "leery". I
don't know what plans IBM has for their new found "toy".& I'd rather
not be surprised as others have said. So the question is:
Are there any .rpm-based distros that would make a good replacement for
Fedora?

Heartbroken in the world of Open Source.

EGO II


Wonderfully stated.  The announcement took my breath away.  I hope
Fedora gets spun off.


Unlike the IBM of today, Redhat was not really your average capitalist 
enterprise so they supported Fedora. They had a long view which is not 
permitted by markets.In any case, I doubt that Fedora or OSS is an example 
of any kind of capitalism. A good place to start looking for that would be 
Somalia.



U.  Red Hat uses Fedora as a testing ground for RHEL.  RHEL is
basically a defunct, bug frozen version of Fedora.  Red Hat gets
a ton of benefit from Fedora.

The big question is how will IBM look at it.  RHEL is pretty much 
unusable for newer software as RHEL is so bug riddled and out of date.

IBM may just dump RHEL and there goes Fedora.  Maybe IBM will come
up with its own version of an enterprise distribution and keep
using Fedora for its testing ground as well.

Here is hoping!
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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

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On 10/29/18 12:32 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:

Fedora is the "bleeding edge"


Not all that "Bleeding Edge"  Fedora 28 does not even support the latest 
Libre Office in is repos.  (LO's RPM do work though.)

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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

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On 10/29/18 2:33 PM, Tom H wrote:

As incompetent as IBM's management has been for the last 15 years or
so (and we can safely add paying a 63% premium for RH as its latest
epic fail; desperation...), I find it difficult to believe that IBM'll
kill the successful RH business model.


They sure ruined Lotus.  Sears ruined Lands' End too.  One
can not imagine what was going through the suits minds.
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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

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On 10/29/18 8:31 PM, Richard England wrote:

On 10/29/18 6:30 PM, Fred Smith wrote:

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 04:26:46PM -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 10/29/18 11:41 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 10:02:32 -0700 ToddAndMargo via users 
 wrote:



On 10/29/18 8:12 AM, Eddie O'Connor wrote:
I feel as though I've been kicked in the back of the neck.by 
Bruce

Lee! I don't presume to know the first thing about corporations,
mergers, and long term financials, And while Red Hat was a
corporation per se.I've always loved Fedora for being 
different, for
being the odd distro that was backed by a major corporation 
but was

still able to support itself independently. Now? I'm just "leery". I
don't know what plans IBM has for their new found "toy".& I'd 
rather

not be surprised as others have said. So the question is:
Are there any .rpm-based distros that would make a good 
replacement for

Fedora?

Heartbroken in the world of Open Source.

EGO II

Wonderfully stated.  The announcement took my breath away.  I hope
Fedora gets spun off.
Unlike the IBM of today, Redhat was not really your average 
capitalist enterprise so they supported Fedora. They had a long view 
which is not permitted by markets.In any case, I doubt that 
Fedora or OSS is an example of any kind of capitalism. A good place 
to start looking for that would be Somalia.


U.  Red Hat uses Fedora as a testing ground for RHEL.  RHEL is
basically a defunct, bug frozen version of Fedora.  Red Hat gets
a ton of benefit from Fedora.

The big question is how will IBM look at it.  RHEL is pretty much
unusable for newer software as RHEL is so bug riddled and out of
date.

Don't know why you think RHEL is  bug riddled. it's stable and
will run for years.

Some of us (many businesses) don't want a new version of Linux every six
months, they want systems that will be stable and will run for years
with nothing more than the occasional yum update and more occasional
reboot. People with many computers can't spend time reinstalling and
re-configuring all of them once or twice every year. And I don't want
to do that with my  home systems either. I want something I can use
for 2 or 3 years, at least, before enduring the reinstall pain again.

They may use what appears to be an old kernel, but RH does backports
of many modern features and bug fixes.


+1


Why are you using Fedora?

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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

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On 10/29/18 6:30 PM, Fred Smith wrote:

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 04:26:46PM -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:



The big question is how will IBM look at it.  RHEL is pretty much
unusable for newer software as RHEL is so bug riddled and out of
date.



Don't know why you think RHEL is  bug riddled. it's stable and
will run for years.


Glad you asked.  I make that statement from my experience with RHEL
and Clones.

What RHEL does is to make some minor tweaks and freeze a defunct
version of Fedora.  It is by design, meaning purposefully, an
anti-Kaisen operating system for the reasons you described.
If you only run what is in the box, it will  run and run
as your described.

Kaisen comes from Dr. Demming's work.  It means "constant improvement".
Fedora is a Kaisen operating system.  It just gets better and better.

For RHEL to be useful, you have to have run out-of-date software
that is compatible with RHEL's out-of-date nature.  This means no 
Kaisen.  You'd better like what you got and not want anything

improved or your venture will come down around your ears.

Now I used RHEL and friends for around ten years or so (just guessing).
It nearly drove me insane.  The straw that broke the camels was
when a bug in Osmo and RHEL deleted my business contacts.  Mind
you, Osmo had fixed this, but they could not help me as RHEL was
so out of date.  My mistake was thinking I could actually use RHEL
with current software.

Now as far as updates are concerned, I have seen Microsoft's updates
almost ruin businesses, especially their insane Windows 10 updates.
So I fully know what you speak of.  I have not seen this is Fedora.
The worst I have seen is Red Shift get broken (they just fixed it).
I model new Fedora updates on a qemu-kvm virtual machine and
put it through its paces.  Then up update my machines.  When I am happy
with that, I move on to my the two Fedora servers at customer sites
that I maintain.

With Fedora, I have never had much of any issues with updates.
A few of RHEL's have brought tears to my eyes.  278 to 28 on
my main office computer took only 15 minutes (NVMe  drives
are AWESOME!).  A mechanical drive unit took about an hour.

As far as using RHEL, you use it like an appliance.  Once you
get your stuff working on it, that is it.  No changes.  I might
add that you can do this with ANY operating system.  You just
turn off the updates.  You don't need RHEL for that.  And I might
point out that an operating is "stable" if it runs the software you
want.  Even Windows 10 is stable if all you run on it is Freecell.

Now as far as fixing things.  RHEL indeed does fix things.  Sometimes.
Well, my experience is SIX YEARS TO NEVER.  And they do include "some"
things to their kludge kernels, but never the things you actually need.

With Fedora, bugs typically get fix in one to two months -- this is
absolutely awesome.  The only exception is that they are dragging the
collective a***es on fixing usb with my wife's tablet:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1527735

Red Shift too a while too, but they worked on it constantly.

And speaking of "never" RHEL can only run an outdated, bug riddled
version of qemu-kvm.  Drove me insane.  For instance, Usb2 is five
times slower than native:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1224498

And Red Hat CAN DO NOTHING ABOUT IT as RHEL is so terribly out of date.
That would be

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1518387

AND! The irony of KVM being a Red Hat project and even their bugs fixes
will not run on RHEL has not escaped me.

By the way, the updates version of qemu-kvm runs beautifully on
Fedora.  It is a charm to run.

So to summarize, my system is a Kaisen system.  I am always working
on things and trying new things out to meet my needs and my
customer's needs.  When I switched from RHEL to Fedora, I had a case
of the giggles for about three months.  "Look at all the stuff that
has finally started working!"  RHEL almost drove me insane.

And yes, I know, I was not using it as an appliance.  My bad.

I am a Fedora fan and an RHEL anti-fan.  For all the years
I suffered with RHEL and friends, I have nothing my derision.

-T



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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

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On 10/29/18 6:30 PM, Fred Smith wrote:

Some of us (many businesses) don't want a new version of Linux every six
months, they want systems that will be stable and will run for years
with nothing more than the occasional yum update and more occasional
reboot. People with many computers can't spend time reinstalling and
re-configuring all of them once or twice every year. And I don't want
to do that with my  home systems either. I want something I can use
for 2 or 3 years, at least, before enduring the reinstall pain again.


I am somewhat perplexed at the above.  No one is
forcing you to update Fedora.  Just turn off your
updates.  I am not seeing what your complaint is.
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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

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On 10/29/18 10:19 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:



On 10/29/2018 09:14 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 10/29/18 8:31 PM, Richard England wrote:

On 10/29/18 6:30 PM, Fred Smith wrote:

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 04:26:46PM -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 10/29/18 11:41 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 10:02:32 -0700 ToddAndMargo via users 
 wrote:



On 10/29/18 8:12 AM, Eddie O'Connor wrote:
I feel as though I've been kicked in the back of the neck.by 
Bruce

Lee! I don't presume to know the first thing about corporations,
mergers, and long term financials, And while Red Hat was a
corporation per se.I've always loved Fedora for being 
different, for
being the odd distro that was backed by a major corporation 
but was
still able to support itself independently. Now? I'm just 
"leery". I
don't know what plans IBM has for their new found "toy".& 
I'd rather

not be surprised as others have said. So the question is:
Are there any .rpm-based distros that would make a good 
replacement for

Fedora?

Heartbroken in the world of Open Source.

EGO II

Wonderfully stated.  The announcement took my breath away.  I hope
Fedora gets spun off.
Unlike the IBM of today, Redhat was not really your average 
capitalist enterprise so they supported Fedora. They had a long 
view which is not permitted by markets.In any case, I doubt 
that Fedora or OSS is an example of any kind of capitalism. A good 
place to start looking for that would be Somalia.


U.  Red Hat uses Fedora as a testing ground for RHEL. RHEL is
basically a defunct, bug frozen version of Fedora.  Red Hat gets
a ton of benefit from Fedora.

The big question is how will IBM look at it.  RHEL is pretty much
unusable for newer software as RHEL is so bug riddled and out of
date.

Don't know why you think RHEL is  bug riddled. it's stable and
will run for years.

Some of us (many businesses) don't want a new version of Linux every 
six

months, they want systems that will be stable and will run for years
with nothing more than the occasional yum update and more occasional
reboot. People with many computers can't spend time reinstalling and
re-configuring all of them once or twice every year. And I don't want
to do that with my  home systems either. I want something I can use
for 2 or 3 years, at least, before enduring the reinstall pain again.

They may use what appears to be an old kernel, but RH does backports
of many modern features and bug fixes.


+1


Why are you using Fedora?



ToddAndMargo:

Using/watching what Fedora is doing is a good way to prepare for what 
might be coming in RHEL/Centos


Paul


Hi Paul,

Back when I was using RHEL and Clones, I use to say "What goes
on in Fedora, eventually winds up in RHEL."

:-)

-T

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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

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On 10/29/18 10:30 PM, Tim via users wrote:

We have a prime example in this country of Telstra (a phone company).
They bugger everyone up, customers and systems, with the you'll have to
put up with it, or go to one of the small number of highly similar
competitors.  So, no, market forces don't keep them in check.  We had a
seriously out of date analogue system for decades, poor pricing schemes
and features, poor complaint handling, etc.  We have the NBN broadband
disaster because Telstra deliberately refused to keep their network
updated with modern standards, because they didn't want to*have*  to
share it with competitors.  It was a screw everyone approach, because
they weren't going to be allowed to be monopoly.  Year in, year out,
it's been proved that all their care about is their market worth, not
the customers that pay them.


Time for Anti Trust laws to kick in.  Bust them up into five
or more companies.
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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

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On 10/30/18 1:36 AM, j.witvl...@mindef.nl wrote:

Heartbroken?

No improvement ever without change, (although not every change lead to 
improvement.)


Sometimes purchases/buy-outs works out fine. Like the purchase of 
StarOffice by SUN-Microsystems.


I admit, the world of Open Source does has victims, sometimes not caused 
by corporate-management but even by technicians vs community.


No, I did not mention the replacement of  init.d by bloatware…

Hans


Hi Hans,

One of the things I had to learn when I switched from RHEL and Clones
was System D.  I almost tore my hair out.  But, once you learn it,
it is a lot better than System V.  But its takes a while to get there.

-T

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I am Windows
I am the Blue Screen of Death
No one hears your screams
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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

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On 10/30/18 2:40 AM, Frau Silvia Sánchez wrote:


Hi ToddandMargo,

I don't want to get into a political argument, just point out to a 
couple of things:
First:  Venezuela is not socialist.  Their government claimed to be, but 
they weren't, they aren't and they won't be.


They are trying to be and the result is what is expected.  That you
do not like the outcome, does not make them any less socialist.
Good Socialists only exist on paper.  They have NEVER been able to
implement it.

Second: Nazis and Soviets weren't the same, but you seem to put them in 
the same box. Except in the mass murdering and pervasive propaganda.  

> But those are general features of totalitarian governments.  Just to
> make it clearer, Nazis were extreme right and Soviets were
> extreme left.

Actually they are two sides of the same coin.

National Socialist (Nazi) is based on the teachings of Karl Marx.

 “National socialism derives from each of two camps the
 pure idea that characterises it: National resolution from
 bourgeois tradition; vital, creative socialism from the
 teaching of Marxism.” -- Hitler, [January, 1934] Schoenbaum,  p.57

The Nazis are FLAMING LEFTISTS, not right wingers.  They only became
Right Wingers when General Patton's rolled into the concentration
camps and the press arrives with him and those horrible pictures
where presented to the world.  And the Left was extremely embarrassed.
Calling them right wingers is the twist of the propagandists tongue.
I can't wait to hear the Soviets being called Right wingers when
Russia FINALLY comes to grips with the Soviet terror and details
start pouring out.

Think it through.  The Right believes in limited government
and the rights of the individual.  The Left believes in the
supremacy of the state over the individual.  The Nazis
lived and acted like socialists.  It was massive government
and no rights to the individual.

Both are the extreme Left and tragic example of what
socialism devolved into.

I know folks that have lived under both the Nazis and the Soviets.
They stated to me that only difference was the language they spoke.



Third:  Communism and Socialism are not the same.


They are variations of the same poison.  Socialism never
worked anywhere it is tried.  It requires the force of the
barrel of a gun to get A to give up the fruits of his labors
to B.  And A will only do it once and become B to protect
himself.  This is why Socialism always results in poverty
and despotism.

The argument that failed Socialists are not real Socialist
or are Right Wingers and that you should keep trying to repeat
what does not work over and over and over has is is still
having tragic consequences on humanity.  Again, Venezuela is
a tragic example of what doesn't work being forced down the
throats of others.  "Oh they were not 'real' socialists" because
to did not work out they way it was laid out on paper.

It is time for us to all learn from history and not relive
it.  200 million souls IS ENOUGH.

The alternative is the Free Market, where you are forced to
take care of your customer to meet your own needs.  And yes,
it is not perfect.  Folks do cheat all the time.  Microsoft
for example.

So here is a thought.  Use the legitimate power of government
to protect one citizen from another and force the free market
down the throats of the cheaters.  M$ should have been broken
up into several companies.  Beats the hell out of poverty and
tyranny.

I hope Fedora makes it through the IBM purchase.  I am a
YUGE fan of Fedora.




Kind regards,
Silvia


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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

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On 10/30/18 10:10 AM, Rick Stevens wrote:

On 10/29/18 11:25 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 10/29/18 10:19 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:



On 10/29/2018 09:14 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 10/29/18 8:31 PM, Richard England wrote:

On 10/29/18 6:30 PM, Fred Smith wrote:

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 04:26:46PM -0700, ToddAndMargo via users
wrote:

On 10/29/18 11:41 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 10:02:32 -0700 ToddAndMargo via users
 wrote:


On 10/29/18 8:12 AM, Eddie O'Connor wrote:

I feel as though I've been kicked in the back of the
neck.by Bruce
Lee! I don't presume to know the first thing about corporations,
mergers, and long term financials, And while Red Hat was a
corporation per se.I've always loved Fedora for being
different, for
being the odd distro that was backed by a major corporation
but was
still able to support itself independently. Now? I'm just
"leery". I
don't know what plans IBM has for their new found "toy".&
I'd rather
not be surprised as others have said. So the question is:
Are there any .rpm-based distros that would make a good
replacement for
Fedora?

Heartbroken in the world of Open Source.

EGO II

Wonderfully stated.  The announcement took my breath away.  I hope
Fedora gets spun off.

Unlike the IBM of today, Redhat was not really your average
capitalist enterprise so they supported Fedora. They had a long
view which is not permitted by markets.In any case, I doubt
that Fedora or OSS is an example of any kind of capitalism. A
good place to start looking for that would be Somalia.


U.  Red Hat uses Fedora as a testing ground for RHEL. RHEL is
basically a defunct, bug frozen version of Fedora.  Red Hat gets
a ton of benefit from Fedora.

The big question is how will IBM look at it.  RHEL is pretty much
unusable for newer software as RHEL is so bug riddled and out of
date.

Don't know why you think RHEL is  bug riddled. it's stable and
will run for years.

Some of us (many businesses) don't want a new version of Linux
every six
months, they want systems that will be stable and will run for years
with nothing more than the occasional yum update and more occasional
reboot. People with many computers can't spend time reinstalling and
re-configuring all of them once or twice every year. And I don't want
to do that with my  home systems either. I want something I can use
for 2 or 3 years, at least, before enduring the reinstall pain again.

They may use what appears to be an old kernel, but RH does backports
of many modern features and bug fixes.


+1


Why are you using Fedora?



ToddAndMargo:

Using/watching what Fedora is doing is a good way to prepare for what
might be coming in RHEL/Centos

Paul


Hi Paul,

Back when I was using RHEL and Clones, I use to say "What goes
on in Fedora, eventually winds up in RHEL."


Technically, at some point a specific Fedora BECOMES the next RHEL
(and eventually CentOS) release. IIRC, Fedora 18 got frozen and
became RHEL/CentOS 7. That's what I mean about Fedora being essentially
Beta versions of RHEL.


Exactly.  And I knew what you meant.  Sorry for any misunderstanding.



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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

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On 10/30/18 3:34 AM, Fred Smith wrote:

On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 09:57:19AM +, Frau Silvia Sánchez wrote:

Hi Fred and all,
Well, I understand although disagree.  If one doesn't want upgrades,
there are other systems like Debian stable.  Besides upgrades aren't
mandatory, as ToddandMargo said, if you don't want them simply turn
them off.  Last but not least, why do you need to reinstall?  Upgrading
from one version to another is as smooth as it can be.  I don't see
reinstalling as a pain, in any average computer will take only few
minutes, but well, it's understandable that you may not want to go
through it.  But what reinstalling for?  Why not just upgrading the
system?  Am I missing something?
Kind regards,
Silvia


Updates are necessary if you want to keep it secure. Many distros
are new annually or more often, and only keep issuing patches for
the most recent or two most recent releases.once  you go past that
point you're asking for trouble.

Not wanting to do a full upgrade annually doesn't mean I want an
insecure system.


Basically, not all the insecure.  If you look at the Windows world,
the breaking rates of unsupported XP versus supported W7 shows
that XP is more secure.  So a lot of it depends on what you are doing
with your system.  An older version of Firefox may not have the
vulnerability that a new one does or even the capability of executing
the vulnerability.

The breaking rates for Fedora are very, very close to zero.  Plus
by using Linux, you are doing security by obscurity.  Linux
has very little market share, so the bad guys don't waste
the time.  Plus M$ makes the garbage easy to break into.
Fedora is the opposite.

Again, looking at the Windows world, Windows 10 have "releases".
1803 is the current one.  When M$ upgrades to the next release,
it is a full reinstall of the system.  And if causes HAVOC
on the customers.  I get requested frequently to just turn
the stinking things off.  M$ upgrades have caused far more
damage than any viruses ever did in a lot of cases.

Me personally, on my Windows VM's updates are turned off.
They have to work when I need them and I hardly ever use
them on the internet.  Plus, anyone trying to reverse into
them have to rub the gauntlet of iptables.  And they
are usually off anyway

And Fedora, on the other hand, has make upgrades really simple.
And they are very professional about how they do it.  The opposite
of M$.

I always love to see what is new in Fedora.  I cringe at whenever M$
does a new release (one is supposedly coming up soon).




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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 10/30/18 10:14 AM, Rick Stevens wrote:

Guys, this is NOT a political forum. Please stop trying to compare
capitalism and communism and socialism here. It's not appropriate
subject matter for this list. Take it to a political forum somewhere
else.


Rick is correct.

If anyone wishes to elaborate on the economic systems, please
write me directly and not on the forum.

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Re: I need granny games!

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 10/30/18 10:55 AM, Beartooth wrote:

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 21:43:36 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:


Hi All,

I have a customer (actually she is a great grand mother) who wants me
"specifically" to put her together a cheap machine to only play
Freecell.  No internet, no printing, no sound.
So Xfce, Fedora, and K Patience to the rescue.


On list, at least, I don't think anyone has yet mentioned The
Great Grandmother of Computer Games, variously called Adventure or
Colossal Cave.



Thank you!
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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 10/30/18 12:53 PM, Dave Stevens wrote:

On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 22:19:44 -0700
Paul Allen Newell  wrote:


ToddAndMargo:

Using/watching what Fedora is doing is a good way to prepare for what
might be coming in RHEL/Centos

Paul


yes but not as good as a written roadmap

d



It is beyond me how Red Hat manages to so bugger up Fedora
when they convert it to RHEL.

If I were to speculate, I do believe it is the Open Source
economic model coming to play.  You give away to software
and charge for the services.  If you want something fixed,
you have to pay for it.  Code Weaver and Wine is another
example of this.  (Thank goodness for Wine Staging!)

And, if you can not afford to place Red Hat's or Code Weaver's
developers on your payroll, you are relegates to begging and
swearing or do it yourself if you have the chops.

I could be wrong.




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