Developing Eclipse plugin with Maven

2010-06-25 Thread Kathryn Huxtable
Are there any *good* guides to building an Eclipse plugin using Maven, 
preferably in a way that allows it to be developed in Eclipse? I don't really 
have any dependencies other than standard Eclipse packages, but I want all the 
great lifecycle and site management tools that Maven supplies.

I've seen:

http://www.eclipse.org/articles/article.php?file=Article-Eclipse-and-Maven2/index.html
by Peter H. Petersen, and Sumit Gupta, of Princeton Softech, from 2006.

I've also seen:

https://cwiki.apache.org/UIMA/building-eclipse-plugins-with-maven-bundle-plugin-and-friends.html
by Marshall Schor, from 2008.

Are these reasonable? Is there something newer? The former is what you get when 
you search the eclipse site. It's pretty crude.

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Re: Developing Eclipse plugin with Maven

2010-06-25 Thread Jason van Zyl
Tycho.

http://tycho.sonatype.org

It's used to build M2Eclipse, Eclipse EGit, Eclipse Memory Analyzer, and Antlr 
IDE.

Sources: http://github.com/sonatype/sonatype-tycho

Integration tests specifically which shows how to build everything from plugins 
the products:

http://github.com/sonatype/sonatype-tycho/tree/master/tycho-its/projects/

On Jun 25, 2010, at 4:53 PM, Kathryn Huxtable wrote:

 Are there any *good* guides to building an Eclipse plugin using Maven, 
 preferably in a way that allows it to be developed in Eclipse? I don't really 
 have any dependencies other than standard Eclipse packages, but I want all 
 the great lifecycle and site management tools that Maven supplies.
 
 I've seen:
 
 http://www.eclipse.org/articles/article.php?file=Article-Eclipse-and-Maven2/index.html
 by Peter H. Petersen, and Sumit Gupta, of Princeton Softech, from 2006.
 
 I've also seen:
 
 https://cwiki.apache.org/UIMA/building-eclipse-plugins-with-maven-bundle-plugin-and-friends.html
 by Marshall Schor, from 2008.
 
 Are these reasonable? Is there something newer? The former is what you get 
 when you search the eclipse site. It's pretty crude.
 
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Re: Developing Eclipse plugin with Maven

2010-06-25 Thread Kathryn Huxtable
Thanks! -K

On Jun 25, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote:

 Tycho.
 
 http://tycho.sonatype.org
 
 It's used to build M2Eclipse, Eclipse EGit, Eclipse Memory Analyzer, and 
 Antlr IDE.
 
 Sources: http://github.com/sonatype/sonatype-tycho
 
 Integration tests specifically which shows how to build everything from 
 plugins the products:
 
 http://github.com/sonatype/sonatype-tycho/tree/master/tycho-its/projects/
 
 On Jun 25, 2010, at 4:53 PM, Kathryn Huxtable wrote:
 
 Are there any *good* guides to building an Eclipse plugin using Maven, 
 preferably in a way that allows it to be developed in Eclipse? I don't 
 really have any dependencies other than standard Eclipse packages, but I 
 want all the great lifecycle and site management tools that Maven supplies.
 
 I've seen:
 
 http://www.eclipse.org/articles/article.php?file=Article-Eclipse-and-Maven2/index.html
 by Peter H. Petersen, and Sumit Gupta, of Princeton Softech, from 2006.
 
 I've also seen:
 
 https://cwiki.apache.org/UIMA/building-eclipse-plugins-with-maven-bundle-plugin-and-friends.html
 by Marshall Schor, from 2008.
 
 Are these reasonable? Is there something newer? The former is what you get 
 when you search the eclipse site. It's pretty crude.
 
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Re: Developing Eclipse plugin with Maven

2010-06-25 Thread Kathryn Huxtable
BTW, what I'm developing is a relatively throwaway plugin for Mac Cocoa Eclipse 
to set the represented filename for the active editor in the associated window. 
This enables software such as DTerm, which provides a convenient terminal 
window, to correctly get the directory associated with the active file.

I'm using DTerm because EGit/JGit aren't really complete yet and I need 
command-line git. If good support for git svn isn't built into EGit at some 
point, I'll probably always need DTerm.

The current non-mavenized plugin is at

http://github.com/khuxtable/eclipse-cocoa-set-represented-filename

It works, but I want it mavenized.

-K

On Jun 25, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote:

 Tycho.
 
 http://tycho.sonatype.org
 
 It's used to build M2Eclipse, Eclipse EGit, Eclipse Memory Analyzer, and 
 Antlr IDE.
 
 Sources: http://github.com/sonatype/sonatype-tycho
 
 Integration tests specifically which shows how to build everything from 
 plugins the products:
 
 http://github.com/sonatype/sonatype-tycho/tree/master/tycho-its/projects/
 
 On Jun 25, 2010, at 4:53 PM, Kathryn Huxtable wrote:
 
 Are there any *good* guides to building an Eclipse plugin using Maven, 
 preferably in a way that allows it to be developed in Eclipse? I don't 
 really have any dependencies other than standard Eclipse packages, but I 
 want all the great lifecycle and site management tools that Maven supplies.
 
 I've seen:
 
 http://www.eclipse.org/articles/article.php?file=Article-Eclipse-and-Maven2/index.html
 by Peter H. Petersen, and Sumit Gupta, of Princeton Softech, from 2006.
 
 I've also seen:
 
 https://cwiki.apache.org/UIMA/building-eclipse-plugins-with-maven-bundle-plugin-and-friends.html
 by Marshall Schor, from 2008.
 
 Are these reasonable? Is there something newer? The former is what you get 
 when you search the eclipse site. It's pretty crude.
 
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Re: Developing Eclipse plugin with Maven

2010-06-25 Thread Jason van Zyl
Change the names accordingly, but you should be able to drop this in and build 
with Maven 3:

http://gist.github.com/453490

This won't work with Maven 2.x.

On Jun 25, 2010, at 5:10 PM, Kathryn Huxtable wrote:

 BTW, what I'm developing is a relatively throwaway plugin for Mac Cocoa 
 Eclipse to set the represented filename for the active editor in the 
 associated window. This enables software such as DTerm, which provides a 
 convenient terminal window, to correctly get the directory associated with 
 the active file.
 
 I'm using DTerm because EGit/JGit aren't really complete yet and I need 
 command-line git. If good support for git svn isn't built into EGit at some 
 point, I'll probably always need DTerm.
 
 The current non-mavenized plugin is at
 
 http://github.com/khuxtable/eclipse-cocoa-set-represented-filename
 
 It works, but I want it mavenized.
 
 -K
 
 On Jun 25, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
 
 Tycho.
 
 http://tycho.sonatype.org
 
 It's used to build M2Eclipse, Eclipse EGit, Eclipse Memory Analyzer, and 
 Antlr IDE.
 
 Sources: http://github.com/sonatype/sonatype-tycho
 
 Integration tests specifically which shows how to build everything from 
 plugins the products:
 
 http://github.com/sonatype/sonatype-tycho/tree/master/tycho-its/projects/
 
 On Jun 25, 2010, at 4:53 PM, Kathryn Huxtable wrote:
 
 Are there any *good* guides to building an Eclipse plugin using Maven, 
 preferably in a way that allows it to be developed in Eclipse? I don't 
 really have any dependencies other than standard Eclipse packages, but I 
 want all the great lifecycle and site management tools that Maven supplies.
 
 I've seen:
 
 http://www.eclipse.org/articles/article.php?file=Article-Eclipse-and-Maven2/index.html
 by Peter H. Petersen, and Sumit Gupta, of Princeton Softech, from 2006.
 
 I've also seen:
 
 https://cwiki.apache.org/UIMA/building-eclipse-plugins-with-maven-bundle-plugin-and-friends.html
 by Marshall Schor, from 2008.
 
 Are these reasonable? Is there something newer? The former is what you get 
 when you search the eclipse site. It's pretty crude.
 
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Re: Developing Eclipse plugin with Maven

2010-06-25 Thread Kathryn Huxtable
Will this work with the released tycho (0.8.0) or does it need the 
0.9.0-SNAPSHOT versions? -K

On Jun 25, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote:

 Change the names accordingly, but you should be able to drop this in and 
 build with Maven 3:
 
 http://gist.github.com/453490
 
 This won't work with Maven 2.x.
 
 On Jun 25, 2010, at 5:10 PM, Kathryn Huxtable wrote:
 
 BTW, what I'm developing is a relatively throwaway plugin for Mac Cocoa 
 Eclipse to set the represented filename for the active editor in the 
 associated window. This enables software such as DTerm, which provides a 
 convenient terminal window, to correctly get the directory associated with 
 the active file.
 
 I'm using DTerm because EGit/JGit aren't really complete yet and I need 
 command-line git. If good support for git svn isn't built into EGit at 
 some point, I'll probably always need DTerm.
 
 The current non-mavenized plugin is at
 
 http://github.com/khuxtable/eclipse-cocoa-set-represented-filename
 
 It works, but I want it mavenized.
 
 -K
 
 On Jun 25, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
 
 Tycho.
 
 http://tycho.sonatype.org
 
 It's used to build M2Eclipse, Eclipse EGit, Eclipse Memory Analyzer, and 
 Antlr IDE.
 
 Sources: http://github.com/sonatype/sonatype-tycho
 
 Integration tests specifically which shows how to build everything from 
 plugins the products:
 
 http://github.com/sonatype/sonatype-tycho/tree/master/tycho-its/projects/
 
 On Jun 25, 2010, at 4:53 PM, Kathryn Huxtable wrote:
 
 Are there any *good* guides to building an Eclipse plugin using Maven, 
 preferably in a way that allows it to be developed in Eclipse? I don't 
 really have any dependencies other than standard Eclipse packages, but I 
 want all the great lifecycle and site management tools that Maven supplies.
 
 I've seen:
 
 http://www.eclipse.org/articles/article.php?file=Article-Eclipse-and-Maven2/index.html
 by Peter H. Petersen, and Sumit Gupta, of Princeton Softech, from 2006.
 
 I've also seen:
 
 https://cwiki.apache.org/UIMA/building-eclipse-plugins-with-maven-bundle-plugin-and-friends.html
 by Marshall Schor, from 2008.
 
 Are these reasonable? Is there something newer? The former is what you get 
 when you search the eclipse site. It's pretty crude.
 
 -K
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 Thanks,
 
 Jason
 
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Re: Developing Eclipse plugin with Maven

2010-06-25 Thread Kathryn Huxtable
Okay, I answered that myself. (Yes.)

-K

On Jun 25, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Kathryn Huxtable wrote:

 Will this work with the released tycho (0.8.0) or does it need the 
 0.9.0-SNAPSHOT versions? -K
 
 On Jun 25, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
 
 Change the names accordingly, but you should be able to drop this in and 
 build with Maven 3:
 
 http://gist.github.com/453490
 
 This won't work with Maven 2.x.
 
 On Jun 25, 2010, at 5:10 PM, Kathryn Huxtable wrote:
 
 BTW, what I'm developing is a relatively throwaway plugin for Mac Cocoa 
 Eclipse to set the represented filename for the active editor in the 
 associated window. This enables software such as DTerm, which provides a 
 convenient terminal window, to correctly get the directory associated with 
 the active file.
 
 I'm using DTerm because EGit/JGit aren't really complete yet and I need 
 command-line git. If good support for git svn isn't built into EGit at 
 some point, I'll probably always need DTerm.
 
 The current non-mavenized plugin is at
 
 http://github.com/khuxtable/eclipse-cocoa-set-represented-filename
 
 It works, but I want it mavenized.
 
 -K
 
 On Jun 25, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
 
 Tycho.
 
 http://tycho.sonatype.org
 
 It's used to build M2Eclipse, Eclipse EGit, Eclipse Memory Analyzer, and 
 Antlr IDE.
 
 Sources: http://github.com/sonatype/sonatype-tycho
 
 Integration tests specifically which shows how to build everything from 
 plugins the products:
 
 http://github.com/sonatype/sonatype-tycho/tree/master/tycho-its/projects/
 
 On Jun 25, 2010, at 4:53 PM, Kathryn Huxtable wrote:
 
 Are there any *good* guides to building an Eclipse plugin using Maven, 
 preferably in a way that allows it to be developed in Eclipse? I don't 
 really have any dependencies other than standard Eclipse packages, but I 
 want all the great lifecycle and site management tools that Maven 
 supplies.
 
 I've seen:
 
 http://www.eclipse.org/articles/article.php?file=Article-Eclipse-and-Maven2/index.html
 by Peter H. Petersen, and Sumit Gupta, of Princeton Softech, from 2006.
 
 I've also seen:
 
 https://cwiki.apache.org/UIMA/building-eclipse-plugins-with-maven-bundle-plugin-and-friends.html
 by Marshall Schor, from 2008.
 
 Are these reasonable? Is there something newer? The former is what you 
 get when you search the eclipse site. It's pretty crude.
 
 -K
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 Jason
 
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Re: Developing Eclipse plugin with Maven

2010-06-25 Thread Kathryn Huxtable
Okay, one more question: do the java sources have to be under src instead of 
src/main/java?

If so, where do I put my site docs?

-K

On Jun 25, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote:

 Change the names accordingly, but you should be able to drop this in and 
 build with Maven 3:
 
 http://gist.github.com/453490
 
 This won't work with Maven 2.x.
 
 On Jun 25, 2010, at 5:10 PM, Kathryn Huxtable wrote:
 
 BTW, what I'm developing is a relatively throwaway plugin for Mac Cocoa 
 Eclipse to set the represented filename for the active editor in the 
 associated window. This enables software such as DTerm, which provides a 
 convenient terminal window, to correctly get the directory associated with 
 the active file.
 
 I'm using DTerm because EGit/JGit aren't really complete yet and I need 
 command-line git. If good support for git svn isn't built into EGit at 
 some point, I'll probably always need DTerm.
 
 The current non-mavenized plugin is at
 
 http://github.com/khuxtable/eclipse-cocoa-set-represented-filename
 
 It works, but I want it mavenized.
 
 -K
 
 On Jun 25, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
 
 Tycho.
 
 http://tycho.sonatype.org
 
 It's used to build M2Eclipse, Eclipse EGit, Eclipse Memory Analyzer, and 
 Antlr IDE.
 
 Sources: http://github.com/sonatype/sonatype-tycho
 
 Integration tests specifically which shows how to build everything from 
 plugins the products:
 
 http://github.com/sonatype/sonatype-tycho/tree/master/tycho-its/projects/
 
 On Jun 25, 2010, at 4:53 PM, Kathryn Huxtable wrote:
 
 Are there any *good* guides to building an Eclipse plugin using Maven, 
 preferably in a way that allows it to be developed in Eclipse? I don't 
 really have any dependencies other than standard Eclipse packages, but I 
 want all the great lifecycle and site management tools that Maven supplies.
 
 I've seen:
 
 http://www.eclipse.org/articles/article.php?file=Article-Eclipse-and-Maven2/index.html
 by Peter H. Petersen, and Sumit Gupta, of Princeton Softech, from 2006.
 
 I've also seen:
 
 https://cwiki.apache.org/UIMA/building-eclipse-plugins-with-maven-bundle-plugin-and-friends.html
 by Marshall Schor, from 2008.
 
 Are these reasonable? Is there something newer? The former is what you get 
 when you search the eclipse site. It's pretty crude.
 
 -K
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Re: Developing Eclipse plugin with Maven

2010-06-25 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Jun 25, 2010, at 6:36 PM, Kathryn Huxtable wrote:

 Okay, one more question: do the java sources have to be under src instead of 
 src/main/java?
 

Tycho obeys PDE metadata so however you created the accompanying 
build.properties file in PDE is what Tycho uses. So you can put it wherever you 
like. Just change the values in here:

http://github.com/khuxtable/eclipse-cocoa-set-represented-filename/blob/master/build.properties

from src/ to src/main/java if you want something more Maven-esque.

 If so, where do I put my site docs?
 
 -K
 
 On Jun 25, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
 
 Change the names accordingly, but you should be able to drop this in and 
 build with Maven 3:
 
 http://gist.github.com/453490
 
 This won't work with Maven 2.x.
 
 On Jun 25, 2010, at 5:10 PM, Kathryn Huxtable wrote:
 
 BTW, what I'm developing is a relatively throwaway plugin for Mac Cocoa 
 Eclipse to set the represented filename for the active editor in the 
 associated window. This enables software such as DTerm, which provides a 
 convenient terminal window, to correctly get the directory associated with 
 the active file.
 
 I'm using DTerm because EGit/JGit aren't really complete yet and I need 
 command-line git. If good support for git svn isn't built into EGit at 
 some point, I'll probably always need DTerm.
 
 The current non-mavenized plugin is at
 
 http://github.com/khuxtable/eclipse-cocoa-set-represented-filename
 
 It works, but I want it mavenized.
 
 -K
 
 On Jun 25, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
 
 Tycho.
 
 http://tycho.sonatype.org
 
 It's used to build M2Eclipse, Eclipse EGit, Eclipse Memory Analyzer, and 
 Antlr IDE.
 
 Sources: http://github.com/sonatype/sonatype-tycho
 
 Integration tests specifically which shows how to build everything from 
 plugins the products:
 
 http://github.com/sonatype/sonatype-tycho/tree/master/tycho-its/projects/
 
 On Jun 25, 2010, at 4:53 PM, Kathryn Huxtable wrote:
 
 Are there any *good* guides to building an Eclipse plugin using Maven, 
 preferably in a way that allows it to be developed in Eclipse? I don't 
 really have any dependencies other than standard Eclipse packages, but I 
 want all the great lifecycle and site management tools that Maven 
 supplies.
 
 I've seen:
 
 http://www.eclipse.org/articles/article.php?file=Article-Eclipse-and-Maven2/index.html
 by Peter H. Petersen, and Sumit Gupta, of Princeton Softech, from 2006.
 
 I've also seen:
 
 https://cwiki.apache.org/UIMA/building-eclipse-plugins-with-maven-bundle-plugin-and-friends.html
 by Marshall Schor, from 2008.
 
 Are these reasonable? Is there something newer? The former is what you 
 get when you search the eclipse site. It's pretty crude.
 
 -K
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 Jason
 
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