Re: Not Seeing Provenance data
Hi, I went from an instance without security to one where I configured HTTPS. After enabling security with policies and users, I couldn't check the provenance with the admin user. When I added the following policy, the provenance was again visible to me (I don't know if this is documented anywhere): On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 12:58 PM Wyllys Ingersoll < wyllys.ingers...@keepertech.com> wrote: > Yes, each node has its persistent stores for each of those directories. > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 10:20 AM Patrick Timmins wrote: > >> Is the underlying storage for the four repositories (provenance, >> database, flowfile, and content) consistent within a node? >> >> Are all three nodes in the cluster using the same type of underlying >> storage/device for the various NiFi repositories? >> >> >> On 4/11/2020 8:45 AM, Wyllys Ingersoll wrote: >> >> Nope, already checked that. >> >> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 8:23 PM Patrick Timmins wrote: >> >>> No issues here. Sounds like a timezone / system clock / clock drift >>> issue (in a cluster). >>> On 4/10/2020 11:59 AM, Joe Witt wrote: >>> >>> The provenance repo is in large scale use by many many users so >>> fundamentally it does work. There are conditions that apparently need >>> improving. In the past couple days these items have been flagged by folks >>> on this list, JIRAs and PRs raised and merged, all good. If you can help by >>> creating a build of the latest and confirm it fixes your case then please >>> do so. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 12:48 PM Darren Govoni >>> wrote: >>> >>>> It would seem the feature is either broken completely or only works in >>>> specific conditions. >>>> >>>> Can the Nifi team put a fix on their road map for this? >>>> Its a rather central feature to Nifi. >>>> >>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *From:* Wyllys Ingersoll >>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 10, 2020 11:17:42 AM >>>> *To:* users@nifi.apache.org >>>> *Subject:* Re: Not Seeing Provenance data >>>> >>>> I have a similar problem with viewing provenance. I have a 3-node >>>> cluster in a kubernetes environment, the provenance_repository directory >>>> for each node is on a persistent data store so it is not deleted or lost >>>> between container restarts (which are not very common). My >>>> nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time is 24 hours. >>>> >>>> Whenever I try to view any provenance, nothing is ever shown. If I >>>> manually inspect the provenance_repository directory, there is a lucene >>>> index and TOC being created. >>>> >>>> I see log messages like these: >>>> >>>> Submitting query +processorId:882133fe-b684-148b-ad88-7850437ca591 with >>>> identifier 64a703fe-0171-1000--65abd91a against index directories >>>> [./provenance_repository/lucene-8-index-1560864819888] >>>> Returning the following list of index locations because they were >>>> finished being written to before 1586531601311: [] >>>> Found no events in the Provenance Repository. In order to perform >>>> maintenace of the indices, will assume that the first event time is now >>>> (1586531601311) >>>> >>>> >>>> Any suggestions? >>>> >>>> -Wyllys Ingersoll >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 11:25 AM Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) < >>>> harald.dobbern...@key-work.de> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey Mark, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> great news and thank you very much! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Happy Holidays! >>>> >>>> Harald >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Von:* Mark Payne >>>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 17:18 >>>> *An:* users@nifi.apache.org >>>> *Betreff:* Re: Not Seeing Provenance data >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks Harald, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I have created a Jira [1] for this. There’s currently a PR up for it as >>>> well. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks >
Re: Not Seeing Provenance data
Yes, each node has its persistent stores for each of those directories. On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 10:20 AM Patrick Timmins wrote: > Is the underlying storage for the four repositories (provenance, > database, flowfile, and content) consistent within a node? > > Are all three nodes in the cluster using the same type of underlying > storage/device for the various NiFi repositories? > > > On 4/11/2020 8:45 AM, Wyllys Ingersoll wrote: > > Nope, already checked that. > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 8:23 PM Patrick Timmins wrote: > >> No issues here. Sounds like a timezone / system clock / clock drift >> issue (in a cluster). >> On 4/10/2020 11:59 AM, Joe Witt wrote: >> >> The provenance repo is in large scale use by many many users so >> fundamentally it does work. There are conditions that apparently need >> improving. In the past couple days these items have been flagged by folks >> on this list, JIRAs and PRs raised and merged, all good. If you can help by >> creating a build of the latest and confirm it fixes your case then please >> do so. >> >> Thanks >> >> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 12:48 PM Darren Govoni >> wrote: >> >>> It would seem the feature is either broken completely or only works in >>> specific conditions. >>> >>> Can the Nifi team put a fix on their road map for this? >>> Its a rather central feature to Nifi. >>> >>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone >>> >>> -- >>> *From:* Wyllys Ingersoll >>> *Sent:* Friday, April 10, 2020 11:17:42 AM >>> *To:* users@nifi.apache.org >>> *Subject:* Re: Not Seeing Provenance data >>> >>> I have a similar problem with viewing provenance. I have a 3-node >>> cluster in a kubernetes environment, the provenance_repository directory >>> for each node is on a persistent data store so it is not deleted or lost >>> between container restarts (which are not very common). My >>> nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time is 24 hours. >>> >>> Whenever I try to view any provenance, nothing is ever shown. If I >>> manually inspect the provenance_repository directory, there is a lucene >>> index and TOC being created. >>> >>> I see log messages like these: >>> >>> Submitting query +processorId:882133fe-b684-148b-ad88-7850437ca591 with >>> identifier 64a703fe-0171-1000--65abd91a against index directories >>> [./provenance_repository/lucene-8-index-1560864819888] >>> Returning the following list of index locations because they were >>> finished being written to before 1586531601311: [] >>> Found no events in the Provenance Repository. In order to perform >>> maintenace of the indices, will assume that the first event time is now >>> (1586531601311) >>> >>> >>> Any suggestions? >>> >>> -Wyllys Ingersoll >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 11:25 AM Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) < >>> harald.dobbern...@key-work.de> wrote: >>> >>> Hey Mark, >>> >>> >>> >>> great news and thank you very much! >>> >>> >>> >>> Happy Holidays! >>> >>> Harald >>> >>> >>> >>> *Von:* Mark Payne >>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 17:18 >>> *An:* users@nifi.apache.org >>> *Betreff:* Re: Not Seeing Provenance data >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks Harald, >>> >>> >>> >>> I have created a Jira [1] for this. There’s currently a PR up for it as >>> well. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> -Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NIFI-7346 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 9, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) < >>> harald.dobbern...@key-work.de> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Mark, >>> >>> >>> >>> I can confirm after testing that if no provenance event has been >>> generated in a time greater than the set >>> nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time >>> then as expected the last recorded provenance events don’t exist anymore >>> but also from then on any new provenance events are also not searchable, >>> the provenance Search remains completely empty regardless of how many flows >>> are active. A
Re: Not Seeing Provenance data
Yes. Didn't change anything. Just unzipped the nifi distro onto a big partition and ran it as is. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone From: Patrick Timmins Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 10:20:12 AM To: users@nifi.apache.org Subject: Re: Not Seeing Provenance data Is the underlying storage for the four repositories (provenance, database, flowfile, and content) consistent within a node? Are all three nodes in the cluster using the same type of underlying storage/device for the various NiFi repositories? On 4/11/2020 8:45 AM, Wyllys Ingersoll wrote: Nope, already checked that. On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 8:23 PM Patrick Timmins mailto:ptimm...@cox.net>> wrote: No issues here. Sounds like a timezone / system clock / clock drift issue (in a cluster). On 4/10/2020 11:59 AM, Joe Witt wrote: The provenance repo is in large scale use by many many users so fundamentally it does work. There are conditions that apparently need improving. In the past couple days these items have been flagged by folks on this list, JIRAs and PRs raised and merged, all good. If you can help by creating a build of the latest and confirm it fixes your case then please do so. Thanks On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 12:48 PM Darren Govoni mailto:dar...@ontrenet.com>> wrote: It would seem the feature is either broken completely or only works in specific conditions. Can the Nifi team put a fix on their road map for this? Its a rather central feature to Nifi. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone From: Wyllys Ingersoll mailto:wyllys.ingers...@keepertech.com>> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 11:17:42 AM To: users@nifi.apache.org<mailto:users@nifi.apache.org> mailto:users@nifi.apache.org>> Subject: Re: Not Seeing Provenance data I have a similar problem with viewing provenance. I have a 3-node cluster in a kubernetes environment, the provenance_repository directory for each node is on a persistent data store so it is not deleted or lost between container restarts (which are not very common). My nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time is 24 hours. Whenever I try to view any provenance, nothing is ever shown. If I manually inspect the provenance_repository directory, there is a lucene index and TOC being created. I see log messages like these: Submitting query +processorId:882133fe-b684-148b-ad88-7850437ca591 with identifier 64a703fe-0171-1000--65abd91a against index directories [./provenance_repository/lucene-8-index-1560864819888] Returning the following list of index locations because they were finished being written to before 1586531601311: [] Found no events in the Provenance Repository. In order to perform maintenace of the indices, will assume that the first event time is now (1586531601311) Any suggestions? -Wyllys Ingersoll On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 11:25 AM Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) mailto:harald.dobbern...@key-work.de>> wrote: Hey Mark, great news and thank you very much! Happy Holidays! Harald Von: Mark Payne mailto:marka...@hotmail.com>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 17:18 An: users@nifi.apache.org<mailto:users@nifi.apache.org> Betreff: Re: Not Seeing Provenance data Thanks Harald, I have created a Jira [1] for this. There’s currently a PR up for it as well. Thanks -Mark [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NIFI-7346 On Apr 9, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) mailto:harald.dobbern...@key-work.de>> wrote: Hi Mark, I can confirm after testing that if no provenance event has been generated in a time greater than the set nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time then as expected the last recorded provenance events don’t exist anymore but also from then on any new provenance events are also not searchable, the provenance Search remains completely empty regardless of how many flows are active. As described also *.prov file is then missing in provenance repository. After restart of Nifi new prov File will be generated and provenance will work again, but only showing stuff generated since last NiFi Start. So yes, I’d say your Idea ‘If so, then I think that would understand why it deleted the data. It’s trying to age off old data but unfortunately it doesn’t perform a check to first determine whether or not the “old file” that it’s about to delete is also the “active file”.’ fits very nicely to my test. As a workaround we’re going to set a greater nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time until this can be resolved. Thanks again for looking into this. Harald Von: Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 15:22 An: users@nifi.apache.org<mailto:users@nifi.apache.org> Betreff: AW: Not Seeing Provenance data Hi Mark, thank you for looking into this. The nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time setting
Re: Not Seeing Provenance data
Is the underlying storage for the four repositories (provenance,
database, flowfile, and content) consistent within a node?
Are all three nodes in the cluster using the same type of underlying
storage/device for the various NiFi repositories?
On 4/11/2020 8:45 AM, Wyllys Ingersoll wrote:
Nope, already checked that.
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 8:23 PM Patrick Timmins <mailto:ptimm...@cox.net>> wrote:
No issues here. Sounds like a timezone / system clock / clock
drift issue (in a cluster).
On 4/10/2020 11:59 AM, Joe Witt wrote:
The provenance repo is in large scale use by many many users so
fundamentally it does work. There are conditions that apparently
need improving. In the past couple days these items have been
flagged by folks on this list, JIRAs and PRs raised and merged,
all good. If you can help by creating a build of the latest and
confirm it fixes your case then please do so.
Thanks
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 12:48 PM Darren Govoni
mailto:dar...@ontrenet.com>> wrote:
It would seem the feature is either broken completely or only
works in specific conditions.
Can the Nifi team put a fix on their road map for this?
Its a rather central feature to Nifi.
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
*From:* Wyllys Ingersoll mailto:wyllys.ingers...@keepertech.com>>
*Sent:* Friday, April 10, 2020 11:17:42 AM
*To:* users@nifi.apache.org <mailto:users@nifi.apache.org>
mailto:users@nifi.apache.org>>
*Subject:* Re: Not Seeing Provenance data
I have a similar problem with viewing provenance. I have a
3-node cluster in a kubernetes environment, the
provenance_repository directory for each node is on a
persistent data store so it is not deleted or lost between
container restarts (which are not very common). My
nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time is 24 hours.
Whenever I try to view any provenance, nothing is ever
shown. If I manually inspect the provenance_repository
directory, there is a lucene index and TOC being created.
I see log messages like these:
Submitting query
+processorId:882133fe-b684-148b-ad88-7850437ca591 with
identifier 64a703fe-0171-1000--65abd91a against index
directories
[./provenance_repository/lucene-8-index-1560864819888]
Returning the following list of index locations because they
were finished being written to before 1586531601311: []
Found no events in the Provenance Repository. In order to
perform maintenace of the indices, will assume that the first
event time is now (1586531601311)
Any suggestions?
-Wyllys Ingersoll
On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 11:25 AM Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work)
mailto:harald.dobbern...@key-work.de>> wrote:
Hey Mark,
great news and thank you very much!
Happy Holidays!
Harald
*Von:* Mark Payne mailto:marka...@hotmail.com>>
*Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 17:18
*An:* users@nifi.apache.org <mailto:users@nifi.apache.org>
*Betreff:* Re: Not Seeing Provenance data
Thanks Harald,
I have created a Jira [1] for this. There’s currently a
PR up for it as well.
Thanks
-Mark
[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NIFI-7346
On Apr 9, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Dobbernack, Harald
(Key-Work) mailto:harald.dobbern...@key-work.de>> wrote:
Hi Mark,
I can confirm after testing that if no provenance
event has been generated in a time greater than the
setnifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time then
as expected the last recorded provenance events don’t
exist anymore but also from then on any new
provenance events are also not searchable, the
provenance Search remains completely empty regardless
of how many flows are active. As described also
*.prov file is then missing in provenance repository.
After restart of Nifi new prov File will be generated
and provenance will work again, but only showing
stuff generated since last NiFi Start.
So yes, I’d say your Idea
‘If so, then I think that would understand why it
deleted the data. It’s trying to age off old data
but unfortunately it doesn’t perform a check to
first determine whether or not the “old file”
that it’s
Re: Not Seeing Provenance data
It never has worked for me with a simple, out of the box install on one machine in EC2. But there should be a configuration that keeps the last X hours of provenance. NOT based on wall clock time. For example. I want the last 24 hours of provenance regardless if the last time a processor ran was 3 days ago. So it would be relative to the latest logged data. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone From: Wyllys Ingersoll Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 9:45:57 AM To: users@nifi.apache.org Subject: Re: Not Seeing Provenance data Nope, already checked that. On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 8:23 PM Patrick Timmins mailto:ptimm...@cox.net>> wrote: No issues here. Sounds like a timezone / system clock / clock drift issue (in a cluster). On 4/10/2020 11:59 AM, Joe Witt wrote: The provenance repo is in large scale use by many many users so fundamentally it does work. There are conditions that apparently need improving. In the past couple days these items have been flagged by folks on this list, JIRAs and PRs raised and merged, all good. If you can help by creating a build of the latest and confirm it fixes your case then please do so. Thanks On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 12:48 PM Darren Govoni mailto:dar...@ontrenet.com>> wrote: It would seem the feature is either broken completely or only works in specific conditions. Can the Nifi team put a fix on their road map for this? Its a rather central feature to Nifi. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone From: Wyllys Ingersoll mailto:wyllys.ingers...@keepertech.com>> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 11:17:42 AM To: users@nifi.apache.org<mailto:users@nifi.apache.org> mailto:users@nifi.apache.org>> Subject: Re: Not Seeing Provenance data I have a similar problem with viewing provenance. I have a 3-node cluster in a kubernetes environment, the provenance_repository directory for each node is on a persistent data store so it is not deleted or lost between container restarts (which are not very common). My nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time is 24 hours. Whenever I try to view any provenance, nothing is ever shown. If I manually inspect the provenance_repository directory, there is a lucene index and TOC being created. I see log messages like these: Submitting query +processorId:882133fe-b684-148b-ad88-7850437ca591 with identifier 64a703fe-0171-1000--65abd91a against index directories [./provenance_repository/lucene-8-index-1560864819888] Returning the following list of index locations because they were finished being written to before 1586531601311: [] Found no events in the Provenance Repository. In order to perform maintenace of the indices, will assume that the first event time is now (1586531601311) Any suggestions? -Wyllys Ingersoll On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 11:25 AM Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) mailto:harald.dobbern...@key-work.de>> wrote: Hey Mark, great news and thank you very much! Happy Holidays! Harald Von: Mark Payne mailto:marka...@hotmail.com>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 17:18 An: users@nifi.apache.org<mailto:users@nifi.apache.org> Betreff: Re: Not Seeing Provenance data Thanks Harald, I have created a Jira [1] for this. There’s currently a PR up for it as well. Thanks -Mark [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NIFI-7346 On Apr 9, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) mailto:harald.dobbern...@key-work.de>> wrote: Hi Mark, I can confirm after testing that if no provenance event has been generated in a time greater than the set nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time then as expected the last recorded provenance events don’t exist anymore but also from then on any new provenance events are also not searchable, the provenance Search remains completely empty regardless of how many flows are active. As described also *.prov file is then missing in provenance repository. After restart of Nifi new prov File will be generated and provenance will work again, but only showing stuff generated since last NiFi Start. So yes, I’d say your Idea ‘If so, then I think that would understand why it deleted the data. It’s trying to age off old data but unfortunately it doesn’t perform a check to first determine whether or not the “old file” that it’s about to delete is also the “active file”.’ fits very nicely to my test. As a workaround we’re going to set a greater nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time until this can be resolved. Thanks again for looking into this. Harald Von: Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 15:22 An: users@nifi.apache.org<mailto:users@nifi.apache.org> Betreff: AW: Not Seeing Provenance data Hi Mark, thank you for looking into this. The nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time setting might explain why I haven
Re: Not Seeing Provenance data
Nope, already checked that. On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 8:23 PM Patrick Timmins wrote: > No issues here. Sounds like a timezone / system clock / clock drift issue > (in a cluster). > On 4/10/2020 11:59 AM, Joe Witt wrote: > > The provenance repo is in large scale use by many many users so > fundamentally it does work. There are conditions that apparently need > improving. In the past couple days these items have been flagged by folks > on this list, JIRAs and PRs raised and merged, all good. If you can help by > creating a build of the latest and confirm it fixes your case then please > do so. > > Thanks > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 12:48 PM Darren Govoni > wrote: > >> It would seem the feature is either broken completely or only works in >> specific conditions. >> >> Can the Nifi team put a fix on their road map for this? >> Its a rather central feature to Nifi. >> >> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone >> >> -- >> *From:* Wyllys Ingersoll >> *Sent:* Friday, April 10, 2020 11:17:42 AM >> *To:* users@nifi.apache.org >> *Subject:* Re: Not Seeing Provenance data >> >> I have a similar problem with viewing provenance. I have a 3-node >> cluster in a kubernetes environment, the provenance_repository directory >> for each node is on a persistent data store so it is not deleted or lost >> between container restarts (which are not very common). My >> nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time is 24 hours. >> >> Whenever I try to view any provenance, nothing is ever shown. If I >> manually inspect the provenance_repository directory, there is a lucene >> index and TOC being created. >> >> I see log messages like these: >> >> Submitting query +processorId:882133fe-b684-148b-ad88-7850437ca591 with >> identifier 64a703fe-0171-1000--65abd91a against index directories >> [./provenance_repository/lucene-8-index-1560864819888] >> Returning the following list of index locations because they were >> finished being written to before 1586531601311: [] >> Found no events in the Provenance Repository. In order to perform >> maintenace of the indices, will assume that the first event time is now >> (1586531601311) >> >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> -Wyllys Ingersoll >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 11:25 AM Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) < >> harald.dobbern...@key-work.de> wrote: >> >> Hey Mark, >> >> >> >> great news and thank you very much! >> >> >> >> Happy Holidays! >> >> Harald >> >> >> >> *Von:* Mark Payne >> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 17:18 >> *An:* users@nifi.apache.org >> *Betreff:* Re: Not Seeing Provenance data >> >> >> >> Thanks Harald, >> >> >> >> I have created a Jira [1] for this. There’s currently a PR up for it as >> well. >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> -Mark >> >> >> >> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NIFI-7346 >> >> >> >> On Apr 9, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) < >> harald.dobbern...@key-work.de> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Mark, >> >> >> >> I can confirm after testing that if no provenance event has been >> generated in a time greater than the set >> nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time >> then as expected the last recorded provenance events don’t exist anymore >> but also from then on any new provenance events are also not searchable, >> the provenance Search remains completely empty regardless of how many flows >> are active. As described also *.prov file is then missing in provenance >> repository. After restart of Nifi new prov File will be generated and >> provenance will work again, but only showing stuff generated since last >> NiFi Start. >> >> >> >> So yes, I’d say your Idea >> >> ‘If so, then I think that would understand why it deleted the data. >> It’s trying to age off old data >> >> but unfortunately it doesn’t perform a check to first determine >> whether or not the “old file” >> >> that it’s about to delete is also the “active file”.’ >> >> fits very nicely to my test. >> >> >> >> As a workaround we’re going to set a greater >> nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time >> until this can be resolved. >> >> >> >> Thanks again for looking into this. >> >>
Re: Not Seeing Provenance data
No issues here. Sounds like a timezone / system clock / clock drift
issue (in a cluster).
On 4/10/2020 11:59 AM, Joe Witt wrote:
The provenance repo is in large scale use by many many users so
fundamentally it does work. There are conditions that apparently need
improving. In the past couple days these items have been flagged by
folks on this list, JIRAs and PRs raised and merged, all good. If you
can help by creating a build of the latest and confirm it fixes your
case then please do so.
Thanks
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 12:48 PM Darren Govoni <mailto:dar...@ontrenet.com>> wrote:
It would seem the feature is either broken completely or only
works in specific conditions.
Can the Nifi team put a fix on their road map for this?
Its a rather central feature to Nifi.
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
*From:* Wyllys Ingersoll mailto:wyllys.ingers...@keepertech.com>>
*Sent:* Friday, April 10, 2020 11:17:42 AM
*To:* users@nifi.apache.org <mailto:users@nifi.apache.org>
mailto:users@nifi.apache.org>>
*Subject:* Re: Not Seeing Provenance data
I have a similar problem with viewing provenance. I have a 3-node
cluster in a kubernetes environment, the provenance_repository
directory for each node is on a persistent data store so it is not
deleted or lost between container restarts (which are not very
common). My nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time is 24 hours.
Whenever I try to view any provenance, nothing is ever shown. If
I manually inspect the provenance_repository directory, there is a
lucene index and TOC being created.
I see log messages like these:
Submitting query +processorId:882133fe-b684-148b-ad88-7850437ca591
with identifier 64a703fe-0171-1000--65abd91a against index
directories [./provenance_repository/lucene-8-index-1560864819888]
Returning the following list of index locations because they were
finished being written to before 1586531601311: []
Found no events in the Provenance Repository. In order to perform
maintenace of the indices, will assume that the first event time
is now (1586531601311)
Any suggestions?
-Wyllys Ingersoll
On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 11:25 AM Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work)
mailto:harald.dobbern...@key-work.de>> wrote:
Hey Mark,
great news and thank you very much!
Happy Holidays!
Harald
*Von:* Mark Payne mailto:marka...@hotmail.com>>
*Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 17:18
*An:* users@nifi.apache.org <mailto:users@nifi.apache.org>
*Betreff:* Re: Not Seeing Provenance data
Thanks Harald,
I have created a Jira [1] for this. There’s currently a PR up
for it as well.
Thanks
-Mark
[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NIFI-7346
On Apr 9, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work)
mailto:harald.dobbern...@key-work.de>> wrote:
Hi Mark,
I can confirm after testing that if no provenance event
has been generated in a time greater than the
setnifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time then as
expected the last recorded provenance events don’t exist
anymore but also from then on any new provenance events
are also not searchable, the provenance Search remains
completely empty regardless of how many flows are active.
As described also *.prov file is then missing in
provenance repository. After restart of Nifi new prov File
will be generated and provenance will work again, but only
showing stuff generated since last NiFi Start.
So yes, I’d say your Idea
‘If so, then I think that would understand why it
deleted the data. It’s trying to age off old data
but unfortunately it doesn’t perform a check to first
determine whether or not the “old file”
that it’s about to delete is also the “active file”.’
fits very nicely to my test.
As a workaround we’re going to set a
greaternifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time until
this can be resolved.
Thanks again for looking into this.
Harald
*Von:*Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work)
*Gesendet:*Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 15:22
*An:*users@nifi.apache.org <mailto:users@nifi.apache.org>
*Betreff:*AW: Not Seeing Provenance data
Hi Mark,
thank you for looking into this.
The nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time setting
might explain why I haven’t been experiencing the effect
Re: Not Seeing Provenance data
The provenance repo is in large scale use by many many users so fundamentally it does work. There are conditions that apparently need improving. In the past couple days these items have been flagged by folks on this list, JIRAs and PRs raised and merged, all good. If you can help by creating a build of the latest and confirm it fixes your case then please do so. Thanks On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 12:48 PM Darren Govoni wrote: > It would seem the feature is either broken completely or only works in > specific conditions. > > Can the Nifi team put a fix on their road map for this? > Its a rather central feature to Nifi. > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > -- > *From:* Wyllys Ingersoll > *Sent:* Friday, April 10, 2020 11:17:42 AM > *To:* users@nifi.apache.org > *Subject:* Re: Not Seeing Provenance data > > I have a similar problem with viewing provenance. I have a 3-node cluster > in a kubernetes environment, the provenance_repository directory for each > node is on a persistent data store so it is not deleted or lost between > container restarts (which are not very common). My > nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time is 24 hours. > > Whenever I try to view any provenance, nothing is ever shown. If I > manually inspect the provenance_repository directory, there is a lucene > index and TOC being created. > > I see log messages like these: > > Submitting query +processorId:882133fe-b684-148b-ad88-7850437ca591 with > identifier 64a703fe-0171-1000--65abd91a against index directories > [./provenance_repository/lucene-8-index-1560864819888] > Returning the following list of index locations because they were finished > being written to before 1586531601311: [] > Found no events in the Provenance Repository. In order to perform > maintenace of the indices, will assume that the first event time is now > (1586531601311) > > > Any suggestions? > > -Wyllys Ingersoll > > > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 11:25 AM Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) < > harald.dobbern...@key-work.de> wrote: > > Hey Mark, > > > > great news and thank you very much! > > > > Happy Holidays! > > Harald > > > > *Von:* Mark Payne > *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 17:18 > *An:* users@nifi.apache.org > *Betreff:* Re: Not Seeing Provenance data > > > > Thanks Harald, > > > > I have created a Jira [1] for this. There’s currently a PR up for it as > well. > > > > Thanks > > -Mark > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NIFI-7346 > > > > On Apr 9, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) < > harald.dobbern...@key-work.de> wrote: > > > > Hi Mark, > > > > I can confirm after testing that if no provenance event has been generated > in a time greater than the set nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time > then as expected the last recorded provenance events don’t exist anymore > but also from then on any new provenance events are also not searchable, > the provenance Search remains completely empty regardless of how many flows > are active. As described also *.prov file is then missing in provenance > repository. After restart of Nifi new prov File will be generated and > provenance will work again, but only showing stuff generated since last > NiFi Start. > > > > So yes, I’d say your Idea > > ‘If so, then I think that would understand why it deleted the data. > It’s trying to age off old data > > but unfortunately it doesn’t perform a check to first determine > whether or not the “old file” > > that it’s about to delete is also the “active file”.’ > > fits very nicely to my test. > > > > As a workaround we’re going to set a greater > nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time > until this can be resolved. > > > > Thanks again for looking into this. > > Harald > > > > > > *Von:* Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) > *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 15:22 > *An:* users@nifi.apache.org > *Betreff:* AW: Not Seeing Provenance data > > > > Hi Mark, > > > > thank you for looking into this. > > > > The nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time setting might explain why > I haven’t been experiencing the effect so often since changing from the > default to 120 hours a few months ago > > > > But I believe provenance stopped working last time although there was an > ‘active’ flows in wait Processor, expiring every hour, going on to ‘send a > message’ before being rerouted to the same wait processor. I would have > expected this generates provenance entries? As I am not actually 100%
Re: Not Seeing Provenance data
It would seem the feature is either broken completely or only works in specific conditions. Can the Nifi team put a fix on their road map for this? Its a rather central feature to Nifi. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone From: Wyllys Ingersoll Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 11:17:42 AM To: users@nifi.apache.org Subject: Re: Not Seeing Provenance data I have a similar problem with viewing provenance. I have a 3-node cluster in a kubernetes environment, the provenance_repository directory for each node is on a persistent data store so it is not deleted or lost between container restarts (which are not very common). My nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time is 24 hours. Whenever I try to view any provenance, nothing is ever shown. If I manually inspect the provenance_repository directory, there is a lucene index and TOC being created. I see log messages like these: Submitting query +processorId:882133fe-b684-148b-ad88-7850437ca591 with identifier 64a703fe-0171-1000--65abd91a against index directories [./provenance_repository/lucene-8-index-1560864819888] Returning the following list of index locations because they were finished being written to before 1586531601311: [] Found no events in the Provenance Repository. In order to perform maintenace of the indices, will assume that the first event time is now (1586531601311) Any suggestions? -Wyllys Ingersoll On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 11:25 AM Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) mailto:harald.dobbern...@key-work.de>> wrote: Hey Mark, great news and thank you very much! Happy Holidays! Harald Von: Mark Payne mailto:marka...@hotmail.com>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 17:18 An: users@nifi.apache.org<mailto:users@nifi.apache.org> Betreff: Re: Not Seeing Provenance data Thanks Harald, I have created a Jira [1] for this. There’s currently a PR up for it as well. Thanks -Mark [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NIFI-7346 On Apr 9, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) mailto:harald.dobbern...@key-work.de>> wrote: Hi Mark, I can confirm after testing that if no provenance event has been generated in a time greater than the set nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time then as expected the last recorded provenance events don’t exist anymore but also from then on any new provenance events are also not searchable, the provenance Search remains completely empty regardless of how many flows are active. As described also *.prov file is then missing in provenance repository. After restart of Nifi new prov File will be generated and provenance will work again, but only showing stuff generated since last NiFi Start. So yes, I’d say your Idea ‘If so, then I think that would understand why it deleted the data. It’s trying to age off old data but unfortunately it doesn’t perform a check to first determine whether or not the “old file” that it’s about to delete is also the “active file”.’ fits very nicely to my test. As a workaround we’re going to set a greater nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time until this can be resolved. Thanks again for looking into this. Harald Von: Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 15:22 An: users@nifi.apache.org<mailto:users@nifi.apache.org> Betreff: AW: Not Seeing Provenance data Hi Mark, thank you for looking into this. The nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time setting might explain why I haven’t been experiencing the effect so often since changing from the default to 120 hours a few months ago But I believe provenance stopped working last time although there was an ‘active’ flows in wait Processor, expiring every hour, going on to ‘send a message’ before being rerouted to the same wait processor. I would have expected this generates provenance entries? As I am not actually 100% sure if that wait processor was in use when last provenance got lost I will check with a testing system to see if I can reproduce provenance breakage when no active flows are around for a time greater nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time and I will get back to you. Thank you! Harald Von: Mark Payne mailto:marka...@hotmail.com>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 14:41 An: users@nifi.apache.org<mailto:users@nifi.apache.org> Betreff: Re: Not Seeing Provenance data Hey Daren, Herald, Thanks for the note. I have seen this once before but couldn’t figure out what caused it. Restarting addressed the issue. I think I may understand the problem, now, though, after looking at it again. In nifi.properties, there are a couple of property named “nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time” that defaults to “24 hours" Is it possible that you went 24 hours (or whatever value is set for that property) without generating any Provenance events? If so, then I think that
Re: Not Seeing Provenance data
I have a similar problem with viewing provenance. I have a 3-node cluster in a kubernetes environment, the provenance_repository directory for each node is on a persistent data store so it is not deleted or lost between container restarts (which are not very common). My nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time is 24 hours. Whenever I try to view any provenance, nothing is ever shown. If I manually inspect the provenance_repository directory, there is a lucene index and TOC being created. I see log messages like these: Submitting query +processorId:882133fe-b684-148b-ad88-7850437ca591 with identifier 64a703fe-0171-1000--65abd91a against index directories [./provenance_repository/lucene-8-index-1560864819888] Returning the following list of index locations because they were finished being written to before 1586531601311: [] Found no events in the Provenance Repository. In order to perform maintenace of the indices, will assume that the first event time is now (1586531601311) Any suggestions? -Wyllys Ingersoll On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 11:25 AM Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) < harald.dobbern...@key-work.de> wrote: > Hey Mark, > > > > great news and thank you very much! > > > > Happy Holidays! > > Harald > > > > *Von:* Mark Payne > *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 17:18 > *An:* users@nifi.apache.org > *Betreff:* Re: Not Seeing Provenance data > > > > Thanks Harald, > > > > I have created a Jira [1] for this. There’s currently a PR up for it as > well. > > > > Thanks > > -Mark > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NIFI-7346 > > > > On Apr 9, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) < > harald.dobbern...@key-work.de> wrote: > > > > Hi Mark, > > > > I can confirm after testing that if no provenance event has been generated > in a time greater than the set nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time > then as expected the last recorded provenance events don’t exist anymore > but also from then on any new provenance events are also not searchable, > the provenance Search remains completely empty regardless of how many flows > are active. As described also *.prov file is then missing in provenance > repository. After restart of Nifi new prov File will be generated and > provenance will work again, but only showing stuff generated since last > NiFi Start. > > > > So yes, I’d say your Idea > > ‘If so, then I think that would understand why it deleted the data. > It’s trying to age off old data > > but unfortunately it doesn’t perform a check to first determine > whether or not the “old file” > > that it’s about to delete is also the “active file”.’ > > fits very nicely to my test. > > > > As a workaround we’re going to set a greater > nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time > until this can be resolved. > > > > Thanks again for looking into this. > > Harald > > > > > > *Von:* Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) > *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 15:22 > *An:* users@nifi.apache.org > *Betreff:* AW: Not Seeing Provenance data > > > > Hi Mark, > > > > thank you for looking into this. > > > > The nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time setting might explain why > I haven’t been experiencing the effect so often since changing from the > default to 120 hours a few months ago > > > > But I believe provenance stopped working last time although there was an > ‘active’ flows in wait Processor, expiring every hour, going on to ‘send a > message’ before being rerouted to the same wait processor. I would have > expected this generates provenance entries? As I am not actually 100% sure > if that wait processor was in use when last provenance got lost I will > check with a testing system to see if I can reproduce provenance breakage > when no active flows are around for a time greater > nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time and I will get back to you. > > > > Thank you! > > Harald > > > > > > *Von:* Mark Payne > *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 14:41 > *An:* users@nifi.apache.org > *Betreff:* Re: Not Seeing Provenance data > > > > Hey Daren, Herald, > > > > Thanks for the note. I have seen this once before but couldn’t figure out > what caused it. Restarting addressed the issue. > > > > I think I may understand the problem, now, though, after looking at it > again. > > > > In nifi.properties, there are a couple of property named > “nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time” that defaults to “24 hours" > > Is it possible that you went 24 hours (or whatever value is set for tha
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Hey Mark, great news and thank you very much! Happy Holidays! Harald Von: Mark Payne Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 17:18 An: users@nifi.apache.org Betreff: Re: Not Seeing Provenance data Thanks Harald, I have created a Jira [1] for this. There’s currently a PR up for it as well. Thanks -Mark [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NIFI-7346 On Apr 9, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) mailto:harald.dobbern...@key-work.de>> wrote: Hi Mark, I can confirm after testing that if no provenance event has been generated in a time greater than the set nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time then as expected the last recorded provenance events don’t exist anymore but also from then on any new provenance events are also not searchable, the provenance Search remains completely empty regardless of how many flows are active. As described also *.prov file is then missing in provenance repository. After restart of Nifi new prov File will be generated and provenance will work again, but only showing stuff generated since last NiFi Start. So yes, I’d say your Idea ‘If so, then I think that would understand why it deleted the data. It’s trying to age off old data but unfortunately it doesn’t perform a check to first determine whether or not the “old file” that it’s about to delete is also the “active file”.’ fits very nicely to my test. As a workaround we’re going to set a greater nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time until this can be resolved. Thanks again for looking into this. Harald Von: Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 15:22 An: users@nifi.apache.org<mailto:users@nifi.apache.org> Betreff: AW: Not Seeing Provenance data Hi Mark, thank you for looking into this. The nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time setting might explain why I haven’t been experiencing the effect so often since changing from the default to 120 hours a few months ago But I believe provenance stopped working last time although there was an ‘active’ flows in wait Processor, expiring every hour, going on to ‘send a message’ before being rerouted to the same wait processor. I would have expected this generates provenance entries? As I am not actually 100% sure if that wait processor was in use when last provenance got lost I will check with a testing system to see if I can reproduce provenance breakage when no active flows are around for a time greater nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time and I will get back to you. Thank you! Harald Von: Mark Payne mailto:marka...@hotmail.com>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 14:41 An: users@nifi.apache.org<mailto:users@nifi.apache.org> Betreff: Re: Not Seeing Provenance data Hey Daren, Herald, Thanks for the note. I have seen this once before but couldn’t figure out what caused it. Restarting addressed the issue. I think I may understand the problem, now, though, after looking at it again. In nifi.properties, there are a couple of property named “nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time” that defaults to “24 hours" Is it possible that you went 24 hours (or whatever value is set for that property) without generating any Provenance events? If so, then I think that would understand why it deleted the data. It’s trying to age off old data but unfortunately it doesn’t perform a check to first determine whether or not the “old file” that it’s about to delete is also the “active file”. Can you confirm whether or not you would expect to see 24 hours pass without any provenance data? Thanks -Mark On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:32 AM, Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) mailto:harald.dobbern...@key-work.de>> wrote: What I noticed is that as long as provenance is working there will be *.prov files in the directory. When Provenance isn’t working these files are not to be seen. Maybe some Cleaning Process deletes those files prematurely or the process building them doesn’t work any more? Von: Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) mailto:harald.dobbern...@key-work.de>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 10:27 An: users@nifi.apache.org<mailto:users@nifi.apache.org> Betreff: AW: Not Seeing Provenance data This is something I experience too from time to time. My quick and dirty workaround is stop nifi, delete everything in the provenance directory, restart…. Then Provenance is usable again (of course only with data since the delete) . I’m hoping very much there is a better way, someone can show us better settings or a potential bug can be discovered… Von: Darren Govoni mailto:dar...@ontrenet.com>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. April 2020 20:31 An: users@nifi.apache.org<mailto:users@nifi.apache.org> Betreff: Not Seeing Provenance data Hi, When I go to "View data provenance" in Nifi, I never see any logs for my flow. Am I missing some configuration setting somewhere? thanks, Darren Harald Dobbernack Key-Work Co
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Thanks Harald, I have created a Jira [1] for this. There’s currently a PR up for it as well. Thanks -Mark [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NIFI-7346 On Apr 9, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) mailto:harald.dobbern...@key-work.de>> wrote: Hi Mark, I can confirm after testing that if no provenance event has been generated in a time greater than the set nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time then as expected the last recorded provenance events don’t exist anymore but also from then on any new provenance events are also not searchable, the provenance Search remains completely empty regardless of how many flows are active. As described also *.prov file is then missing in provenance repository. After restart of Nifi new prov File will be generated and provenance will work again, but only showing stuff generated since last NiFi Start. So yes, I’d say your Idea ‘If so, then I think that would understand why it deleted the data. It’s trying to age off old data but unfortunately it doesn’t perform a check to first determine whether or not the “old file” that it’s about to delete is also the “active file”.’ fits very nicely to my test. As a workaround we’re going to set a greater nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time until this can be resolved. Thanks again for looking into this. Harald Von: Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 15:22 An: users@nifi.apache.org<mailto:users@nifi.apache.org> Betreff: AW: Not Seeing Provenance data Hi Mark, thank you for looking into this. The nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time setting might explain why I haven’t been experiencing the effect so often since changing from the default to 120 hours a few months ago But I believe provenance stopped working last time although there was an ‘active’ flows in wait Processor, expiring every hour, going on to ‘send a message’ before being rerouted to the same wait processor. I would have expected this generates provenance entries? As I am not actually 100% sure if that wait processor was in use when last provenance got lost I will check with a testing system to see if I can reproduce provenance breakage when no active flows are around for a time greater nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time and I will get back to you. Thank you! Harald Von: Mark Payne mailto:marka...@hotmail.com>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 14:41 An: users@nifi.apache.org<mailto:users@nifi.apache.org> Betreff: Re: Not Seeing Provenance data Hey Daren, Herald, Thanks for the note. I have seen this once before but couldn’t figure out what caused it. Restarting addressed the issue. I think I may understand the problem, now, though, after looking at it again. In nifi.properties, there are a couple of property named “nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time” that defaults to “24 hours" Is it possible that you went 24 hours (or whatever value is set for that property) without generating any Provenance events? If so, then I think that would understand why it deleted the data. It’s trying to age off old data but unfortunately it doesn’t perform a check to first determine whether or not the “old file” that it’s about to delete is also the “active file”. Can you confirm whether or not you would expect to see 24 hours pass without any provenance data? Thanks -Mark On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:32 AM, Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) mailto:harald.dobbern...@key-work.de>> wrote: What I noticed is that as long as provenance is working there will be *.prov files in the directory. When Provenance isn’t working these files are not to be seen. Maybe some Cleaning Process deletes those files prematurely or the process building them doesn’t work any more? Von: Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) mailto:harald.dobbern...@key-work.de>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 10:27 An: users@nifi.apache.org<mailto:users@nifi.apache.org> Betreff: AW: Not Seeing Provenance data This is something I experience too from time to time. My quick and dirty workaround is stop nifi, delete everything in the provenance directory, restart…. Then Provenance is usable again (of course only with data since the delete) . I’m hoping very much there is a better way, someone can show us better settings or a potential bug can be discovered… Von: Darren Govoni mailto:dar...@ontrenet.com>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. April 2020 20:31 An: users@nifi.apache.org<mailto:users@nifi.apache.org> Betreff: Not Seeing Provenance data Hi, When I go to "View data provenance" in Nifi, I never see any logs for my flow. Am I missing some configuration setting somewhere? thanks, Darren Harald Dobbernack Key-Work Consulting GmbH | Kriegsstr. 100 | 76133 | Karlsruhe | Germany | https://www.key-work.de | Datenschutz<https://www.key-work.de/de/footer/datenschutz.html> Fon: +49-721-78203-264 | E-Mail: harald.d
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Hi Mark, I can confirm after testing that if no provenance event has been generated in a time greater than the set nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time then as expected the last recorded provenance events don’t exist anymore but also from then on any new provenance events are also not searchable, the provenance Search remains completely empty regardless of how many flows are active. As described also *.prov file is then missing in provenance repository. After restart of Nifi new prov File will be generated and provenance will work again, but only showing stuff generated since last NiFi Start. So yes, I’d say your Idea ‘If so, then I think that would understand why it deleted the data. It’s trying to age off old data but unfortunately it doesn’t perform a check to first determine whether or not the “old file” that it’s about to delete is also the “active file”.’ fits very nicely to my test. As a workaround we’re going to set a greater nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time until this can be resolved. Thanks again for looking into this. Harald Von: Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 15:22 An: users@nifi.apache.org Betreff: AW: Not Seeing Provenance data Hi Mark, thank you for looking into this. The nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time setting might explain why I haven’t been experiencing the effect so often since changing from the default to 120 hours a few months ago But I believe provenance stopped working last time although there was an ‘active’ flows in wait Processor, expiring every hour, going on to ‘send a message’ before being rerouted to the same wait processor. I would have expected this generates provenance entries? As I am not actually 100% sure if that wait processor was in use when last provenance got lost I will check with a testing system to see if I can reproduce provenance breakage when no active flows are around for a time greater nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time and I will get back to you. Thank you! Harald Von: Mark Payne mailto:marka...@hotmail.com>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 14:41 An: users@nifi.apache.org<mailto:users@nifi.apache.org> Betreff: Re: Not Seeing Provenance data Hey Daren, Herald, Thanks for the note. I have seen this once before but couldn’t figure out what caused it. Restarting addressed the issue. I think I may understand the problem, now, though, after looking at it again. In nifi.properties, there are a couple of property named “nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time” that defaults to “24 hours" Is it possible that you went 24 hours (or whatever value is set for that property) without generating any Provenance events? If so, then I think that would understand why it deleted the data. It’s trying to age off old data but unfortunately it doesn’t perform a check to first determine whether or not the “old file” that it’s about to delete is also the “active file”. Can you confirm whether or not you would expect to see 24 hours pass without any provenance data? Thanks -Mark On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:32 AM, Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) mailto:harald.dobbern...@key-work.de>> wrote: What I noticed is that as long as provenance is working there will be *.prov files in the directory. When Provenance isn’t working these files are not to be seen. Maybe some Cleaning Process deletes those files prematurely or the process building them doesn’t work any more? Von: Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) mailto:harald.dobbern...@key-work.de>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 10:27 An: users@nifi.apache.org<mailto:users@nifi.apache.org> Betreff: AW: Not Seeing Provenance data This is something I experience too from time to time. My quick and dirty workaround is stop nifi, delete everything in the provenance directory, restart…. Then Provenance is usable again (of course only with data since the delete) . I’m hoping very much there is a better way, someone can show us better settings or a potential bug can be discovered… Von: Darren Govoni mailto:dar...@ontrenet.com>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. April 2020 20:31 An: users@nifi.apache.org<mailto:users@nifi.apache.org> Betreff: Not Seeing Provenance data Hi, When I go to "View data provenance" in Nifi, I never see any logs for my flow. Am I missing some configuration setting somewhere? thanks, Darren Harald Dobbernack Key-Work Consulting GmbH | Kriegsstr. 100 | 76133 | Karlsruhe | Germany | https://www.key-work.de | Datenschutz<https://www.key-work.de/de/footer/datenschutz.html> Fon: +49-721-78203-264 | E-Mail: harald.dobbern...@key-work.de<mailto:harald.dobbern...@key-work.de> | Fax: +49-721-78203-10 Key-Work Consulting GmbH, Karlsruhe, HRB 108695, HRG Mannheim Geschäftsführer: Andreas Stappert, Tobin Wotring
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Hi Mark, thank you for looking into this. The nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time setting might explain why I haven’t been experiencing the effect so often since changing from the default to 120 hours a few months ago But I believe provenance stopped working last time although there was an ‘active’ flows in wait Processor, expiring every hour, going on to ‘send a message’ before being rerouted to the same wait processor. I would have expected this generates provenance entries? As I am not actually 100% sure if that wait processor was in use when last provenance got lost I will check with a testing system to see if I can reproduce provenance breakage when no active flows are around for a time greater nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time and I will get back to you. Thank you! Harald Von: Mark Payne Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 14:41 An: users@nifi.apache.org Betreff: Re: Not Seeing Provenance data Hey Daren, Herald, Thanks for the note. I have seen this once before but couldn’t figure out what caused it. Restarting addressed the issue. I think I may understand the problem, now, though, after looking at it again. In nifi.properties, there are a couple of property named “nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time” that defaults to “24 hours" Is it possible that you went 24 hours (or whatever value is set for that property) without generating any Provenance events? If so, then I think that would understand why it deleted the data. It’s trying to age off old data but unfortunately it doesn’t perform a check to first determine whether or not the “old file” that it’s about to delete is also the “active file”. Can you confirm whether or not you would expect to see 24 hours pass without any provenance data? Thanks -Mark On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:32 AM, Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) mailto:harald.dobbern...@key-work.de>> wrote: What I noticed is that as long as provenance is working there will be *.prov files in the directory. When Provenance isn’t working these files are not to be seen. Maybe some Cleaning Process deletes those files prematurely or the process building them doesn’t work any more? Von: Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) mailto:harald.dobbern...@key-work.de>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 10:27 An: users@nifi.apache.org<mailto:users@nifi.apache.org> Betreff: AW: Not Seeing Provenance data This is something I experience too from time to time. My quick and dirty workaround is stop nifi, delete everything in the provenance directory, restart…. Then Provenance is usable again (of course only with data since the delete) . I’m hoping very much there is a better way, someone can show us better settings or a potential bug can be discovered… Von: Darren Govoni mailto:dar...@ontrenet.com>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. April 2020 20:31 An: users@nifi.apache.org<mailto:users@nifi.apache.org> Betreff: Not Seeing Provenance data Hi, When I go to "View data provenance" in Nifi, I never see any logs for my flow. Am I missing some configuration setting somewhere? thanks, Darren Harald Dobbernack Key-Work Consulting GmbH | Kriegsstr. 100 | 76133 | Karlsruhe | Germany | https://www.key-work.de | Datenschutz<https://www.key-work.de/de/footer/datenschutz.html> Fon: +49-721-78203-264 | E-Mail: harald.dobbern...@key-work.de<mailto:harald.dobbern...@key-work.de> | Fax: +49-721-78203-10 Key-Work Consulting GmbH, Karlsruhe, HRB 108695, HRG Mannheim Geschäftsführer: Andreas Stappert, Tobin Wotring
Re: Not Seeing Provenance data
Hey Daren, Herald, Thanks for the note. I have seen this once before but couldn’t figure out what caused it. Restarting addressed the issue. I think I may understand the problem, now, though, after looking at it again. In nifi.properties, there are a couple of property named “nifi.provenance.repository.max.storage.time” that defaults to “24 hours" Is it possible that you went 24 hours (or whatever value is set for that property) without generating any Provenance events? If so, then I think that would understand why it deleted the data. It’s trying to age off old data but unfortunately it doesn’t perform a check to first determine whether or not the “old file” that it’s about to delete is also the “active file”. Can you confirm whether or not you would expect to see 24 hours pass without any provenance data? Thanks -Mark On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:32 AM, Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) mailto:harald.dobbern...@key-work.de>> wrote: What I noticed is that as long as provenance is working there will be *.prov files in the directory. When Provenance isn’t working these files are not to be seen. Maybe some Cleaning Process deletes those files prematurely or the process building them doesn’t work any more? Von: Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) mailto:harald.dobbern...@key-work.de>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 10:27 An: users@nifi.apache.org<mailto:users@nifi.apache.org> Betreff: AW: Not Seeing Provenance data This is something I experience too from time to time. My quick and dirty workaround is stop nifi, delete everything in the provenance directory, restart…. Then Provenance is usable again (of course only with data since the delete) . I’m hoping very much there is a better way, someone can show us better settings or a potential bug can be discovered… Von: Darren Govoni mailto:dar...@ontrenet.com>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. April 2020 20:31 An: users@nifi.apache.org<mailto:users@nifi.apache.org> Betreff: Not Seeing Provenance data Hi, When I go to "View data provenance" in Nifi, I never see any logs for my flow. Am I missing some configuration setting somewhere? thanks, Darren Harald Dobbernack Key-Work Consulting GmbH | Kriegsstr. 100 | 76133 | Karlsruhe | Germany | https://www.key-work.de | Datenschutz<https://www.key-work.de/de/footer/datenschutz.html> Fon: +49-721-78203-264 | E-Mail: harald.dobbern...@key-work.de<mailto:harald.dobbern...@key-work.de> | Fax: +49-721-78203-10 Key-Work Consulting GmbH, Karlsruhe, HRB 108695, HRG Mannheim Geschäftsführer: Andreas Stappert, Tobin Wotring
AW: Not Seeing Provenance data
What I noticed is that as long as provenance is working there will be *.prov files in the directory. When Provenance isn't working these files are not to be seen. Maybe some Cleaning Process deletes those files prematurely or the process building them doesn't work any more? Von: Dobbernack, Harald (Key-Work) Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 10:27 An: users@nifi.apache.org Betreff: AW: Not Seeing Provenance data This is something I experience too from time to time. My quick and dirty workaround is stop nifi, delete everything in the provenance directory, restart Then Provenance is usable again (of course only with data since the delete) . I'm hoping very much there is a better way, someone can show us better settings or a potential bug can be discovered... Von: Darren Govoni mailto:dar...@ontrenet.com>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. April 2020 20:31 An: users@nifi.apache.org<mailto:users@nifi.apache.org> Betreff: Not Seeing Provenance data Hi, When I go to "View data provenance" in Nifi, I never see any logs for my flow. Am I missing some configuration setting somewhere? thanks, Darren Harald Dobbernack Key-Work Consulting GmbH | Kriegsstr. 100 | 76133 | Karlsruhe | Germany | https://www.key-work.de | Datenschutz<https://www.key-work.de/de/footer/datenschutz.html> Fon: +49-721-78203-264 | E-Mail: harald.dobbern...@key-work.de<mailto:harald.dobbern...@key-work.de> | Fax: +49-721-78203-10 Key-Work Consulting GmbH, Karlsruhe, HRB 108695, HRG Mannheim Geschäftsführer: Andreas Stappert, Tobin Wotring
AW: Not Seeing Provenance data
This is something I experience too from time to time. My quick and dirty workaround is stop nifi, delete everything in the provenance directory, restart Then Provenance is usable again (of course only with data since the delete) . I'm hoping very much there is a better way, someone can show us better settings or a potential bug can be discovered... Von: Darren Govoni Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. April 2020 20:31 An: users@nifi.apache.org Betreff: Not Seeing Provenance data Hi, When I go to "View data provenance" in Nifi, I never see any logs for my flow. Am I missing some configuration setting somewhere? thanks, Darren Harald Dobbernack Key-Work Consulting GmbH | Kriegsstr. 100 | 76133 | Karlsruhe | Germany | https://www.key-work.de | Datenschutz<https://www.key-work.de/de/footer/datenschutz.html> Fon: +49-721-78203-264 | E-Mail: harald.dobbern...@key-work.de | Fax: +49-721-78203-10 Key-Work Consulting GmbH, Karlsruhe, HRB 108695, HRG Mannheim Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Andreas Stappert, Tobin Wotring
Not Seeing Provenance data
Hi, When I go to "View data provenance" in Nifi, I never see any logs for my flow. Am I missing some configuration setting somewhere? thanks, Darren
