Re: Codes
Hi, Doug schrieb: On 06/22/2013 10:35 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: /snip/ If the WP lobby feel so strongly about not having "Reveal Codes", why don't they do something about it and write an extension to do just that? Maybe it's because we're not programmers. We're people who just want to use a word processor without all the folderol of "styles." It may not have occurred to some OO/LO folks that most of us do not want to change styles or formats all the time. Or, maybe, ever. About the only formats I ever change are typeface, type size, and justification. Most of us are not writing advertizing copy, and we're not typesetters. We have no reason to keep fooling with different "styles." Now if OO and LO are so great, why can't they deal with curly quotes and apostrophes in imported text? They can. The text needs to have paragraph style "Default". Then use menu Format > AutoCorrect... > Apply. Of cause you need to enable the replacement of straight quotes in the AutoCorrect options. I have to go thru and fix all the damned inch marks one by one by hand. WordPerfect can do that automatically. Not only that, it can differentiate between quote marks and real inch and foot designators. Let's see your OO/LO do that! It will exchange U+OO22 to that quote marks you select in the AutoCorrect options and the kind of replacement will depend on the language. If a 'real inch' and a 'foot designator' is different from sign U+0022, it will not be touched. If I remember correctly--I haven't looked at OO/LO in some time--they don't let you find and replace double spaces. Maybe they fixed that? Simple find and replace works. I have not tested regular expressions. But I tend to work in Linux most often, so without WordPerfect, I have chosen the SoftMaker products. TextMaker works better, IMO, than either of the freebies, and it doesn't look so primitive, either. Oh, and there's now a free version of that, I hear. They had an offer to download the previous version for free and had a special price offer for the new version at begin of this year. Kind regards Regina - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Codes
At 09:38 24/06/2013 -0400, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: On 06/23/2013 12:08 AM, Brian Barker wrote: At 22:20 22/06/2013 -0400, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: At 14:44 22/06/2013 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote: Now if OO and LO are so great, why can't they deal with curly quotes and apostrophes in imported text? I have to go thru and fix all the damned inch marks one by one by hand. WordPerfect can do that automatically. Not only that, it can differentiate between quote marks and real inch and foot designators. Let's see your OO/LO do that! I am not sure what this is since I have never had any particular difficulty dealing with these things though I am not sure how one can understand that a particular single quote is an "inch mark" as opposed to a non-curly double quote. I think the reference to an "inch mark" is simply a way of identifying your (typewriter-style) "non-curly" double quote. But Mr McGarrett does have a point, I think. OpenOffice Writer will replace typed single and double quotes with what it calls custom quotes quite efficiently as you type. But if you have existing straight quotes in a document (perhaps in an inherited document or in text pasted in from elsewhere), there appears to be no easy way to apply that intelligence after the event. You could replace a straight quote with a curly one, but you'd have to select manually the individual cases where you needed open and close quotes: you cannot at this stage invoke Writer's ability to use its intelligence about this. In some other word processors (dare I mention Microsoft Word if I promise to wash my mouth out?), you can merely replace straight quotes with straight quotes: replacement is treated the same way as typing, the same intelligence is invoked, and curly quotes of the appropriate handedness are substituted en masse. Oh, now I get it WP will auto-magically replace straight quotes with curly quotes when you import a document. For most of what I do, that would really mess things up for me. I'm not sure that's true: it's certainly not so for Microsoft Word. But if you replace straight quotes with the same thing in Word, it will make the change then - so it is controllable. I did have one document, however, where I desired that behavior, so I wrote a macro to do it if I remember correctly; would have been nice to have had a built-in command to do it for me already. You'll have noticed, I hope, that I've anyway been corrected: you *can* do this easily in Writer, using Format | AutoCorrect > | Apply. Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Codes
On 06/23/2013 12:08 AM, Brian Barker wrote: At 22:20 22/06/2013 -0400, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: At 14:44 22/06/2013 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote: Now if OO and LO are so great, why can't they deal with curly quotes and apostrophes in imported text? I have to go thru and fix all the damned inch marks one by one by hand. WordPerfect can do that automatically. Not only that, it can differentiate between quote marks and real inch and foot designators. Let's see your OO/LO do that! I am not sure what this is since I have never had any particular difficulty dealing with these things though I am not sure how one can understand that a particular single quote is an "inch mark" as opposed to a non-curly double quote. I think the reference to an "inch mark" is simply a way of identifying your (typewriter-style) "non-curly" double quote. But Mr McGarrett does have a point, I think. OpenOffice Writer will replace typed single and double quotes with what it calls custom quotes quite efficiently as you type. But if you have existing straight quotes in a document (perhaps in an inherited document or in text pasted in from elsewhere), there appears to be no easy way to apply that intelligence after the event. You could replace a straight quote with a curly one, but you'd have to select manually the individual cases where you needed open and close quotes: you cannot at this stage invoke Writer's ability to use its intelligence about this. In some other word processors (dare I mention Microsoft Word if I promise to wash my mouth out?), you can merely replace straight quotes with straight quotes: replacement is treated the same way as typing, the same intelligence is invoked, and curly quotes of the appropriate handedness are substituted en masse. Brian Barker Oh, now I get it WP will auto-magically replace straight quotes with curly quotes when you import a document. For most of what I do, that would really mess things up for me. I did have one document, however, where I desired that beahvior, so I wrote a macro to do it if I remember correctly; would have been nice to have had a built-in command to do it for me already. -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
